On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:48:42 -0600, you wrote:
Any suggestions
about a mounting block and what to build that is portable
Use a small Icelandic. You can pony it with you so it's really
portable.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:03 -0800, you wrote:
why do I read so often
about Iceys bolting? Do they bolt more than other breeds?
I think it depends what you call a bolt. To me, a bolt is the horse
running blind with its brain switched off, in blind panic. Will go
over a cliff if there's one in
Janice, where did you find the frozen car pics? A while back a friend
sent me a whole set of pics from the same series, taken from a lake
in, I think, Switzerland, and set to beautiful music (actually, the
music that's playing on the youtube video of Gudmar riding with
sparklers). I lost them, but
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:46:11 -0500, you wrote:
Does it really matter if we quibble over running away with versus
bolting? If the rider can't stop the horse when they need to stop the
horse, does it matter? Why don't we hear of so many other-breed horses
merely running away with their riders?
I think it depends what you call a bolt. To me, a bolt is the horse
running blind with its brain switched off, in blind panic. Will go over a
cliff if there's one in the way. In 20 years I've met hardly any Icelandics
who ever do that. However, Icelandics who run away with their
Lucky lucky horse to come to live with you. I don't get the horse in a
stall thing. A friend, Amber of the Amber Adventures, went to visit the TWH
that was Hunter's sire. He apparently never left his stall - the owner
wouldn't bring him out - and he was knee-deep in manure.
It's sad
With a horse which is just running away, proper training (of the
horse or the rider, whichever is necessary), or resolving other issues such
as pain, nappiness, over-enthusiasm, running home, catching up with other
horses or whatever is the cause, will sort the problem out.
But, what about the
But, what about the typical Icelandic bolting scenario we hear about so
often, where a relatively novice horseperson buys the horse after trying him
out and then he gets to his new home and bolts with his rider. Why do we
hear about this scenario so much more often with Icelandic's than with
On 14/11/2007, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I brought Melnir home, he gave me a serious lecture about how I
should NEVER let the stallion cycle begin with Melnir. Any horse
who is kept up in a stall for extended periods will go a little stir
crazy
Well...on one side of me I have a
Maybe there's another clue - you would expect to be cantering after xx
lessons - does it matter what number you fill in for the xx? Why do
people expect to reach certain milestones in a certain period...? Who sets
the expectations? Is it ok, just because it's the normal expectations?
Not
It's funny, it seems that people's perception of riding etc is very
different in the USA to in Europe. Over here, you would expect to be
cantering after about 10 lessons, and galloping out on the trail after, say,
20 lessons or so. A lot of people gallop regularly.
Maybe there's another clue -
On Nov 14, 2007 8:09 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, what about the typical Icelandic bolting scenario we hear about so
often, where a relatively novice horseperson buys the horse after trying him
out and then he gets to his new home and bolts with his rider.
That's my story
Hmmm, I think his 5'1 girl instructor, a former dressage champion, would
laugh to hear herself described as a macho cowboy type in leadership role!
LOL
Emily's first instructor was probably 5'3, about 28-30 years old at the
time, and female. I'd definitely consider her a macho-type. I don't
I am sorry you feel that way. That is too bad you
feel like that. There are plenty of nice horses out
there. Why get hurt. I still own him don't I?
Lorraine - you have to understand where several of us are coming from
on this list - we have dealt with horses that have been passed from
one
Who used to own these horses? They have the same names as a friend of
mines horses. ~jules
Julie Sandoval
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Mobile Grooming Boarding
Acton,CA
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I suspect a lot of bolting issues come from the fact that Icelandics are
judged on their speed. Most of the horse shows that I have been too I hear
way
too many comments that the tolt is not fast enough, the canter is not fast
enough, the pace and trot are not fast enough'. When we rode
On 11/13/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
here is my Fox the day I decided I had to buy him. These pictures were
taken just a half hour when he had just been brought out of a dark 10x10
stall for the first time in six years.
Totally unstarted under saddle, right? And a
I wonder if it helped any that fox had never ever been bred.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Eitill woke up on the wrong side of the hay pile this morning - and
apparently brought half of it up with him when he stood up.
I woke him up when I went out this morning. The hauler, Terry, was here to
pick him up to take him back to Renee in Michigan, his prior owner. I took
Eitill when
On 11/14/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Janice, where did you find the frozen car pics? A while back a friend
sent me a whole set of pics from the same series, taken from a lake
in, I think, Switzerland, and set to beautiful music (actually, the
music that's playing on the youtube
also i think there is flight and fight. some take off and some stand
and defend. I think buckers and rearers are the ones who stand and
defend. They want you off them so they can take care of the danger.
just my theory :)
and of course the pain thing. thats a given.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie
I am new to the Icelandic world but I have owned gaited horses all my
life. I totally love my new Icelandic but I do worry about him. We are
located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I have clipped his
hair to help with the heat. Even in the winter we are looking at 80's
during the
wanda got up this morning and looked out her window and look what she
found around her birdfeeder! Janice
Ok, Wanda...let's see you top that one! :)
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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I suspect a lot of bolting issues come from the fact that Icelandics are
judged on their speed. Most of the horse shows that I have been too I hear
way too many comments that the tolt is not fast enough, the canter is not
fast enough, the pace and trot are not fast enough'. When we rode in
Hi Janice
here is Fox's uncle Smoke. He has been in a stall 18 years
What a tribute to his good character that he is so nice in spite of being
stalled for so long.
About 20 years ago I bought an Icelandic stallion from a breeder who had
kept him in a stall for the most part of three years
yes and now I look at these pics and marvel, whatever possessed me to
think a horse that had been caged for years like that would first
appreciate having his hair and nails done to perfection before being
allowed turnout Janice
Yes, Janice, I'd have to agree - but what sets you apart
I completely agree. Most Icelandics have WAAA too little training
in the basics that most horse people take for granted - accepting the
bit, basic lateral work, hacking alone, getting away from the herd,
standing still for mounting etc.
I think all the things Nancy, Karen and Mic have
I am new to the Icelandic world but I have owned gaited horses all my
life.
Welcome to the list! What's your horse's name? We love pictures...hint,
hint... :)
I totally love my new Icelandic but I do worry about him. We are located
in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I have clipped
On 11/14/07, Kimberly Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Von is Dari's dam. I feel terrible about this. I wish I could take
her, but I'm having to board my 5 horses out and it's stretching me.
Dari is just the best little horse I could wish for.
In fact, I met Von before, probably about 12 years
I think little Yrsa will be the more enthusiastic type of horse that I
enjoy ridig.
That's a good word, Nancy - enthusiastic. I haven't ridden Tivar on the
trails like Janice has, but when he was here, and we started working past
his issues, it became apparent to me that, while on some levels
I live in Colorado with my Icelandic. He has been here for two years now. The
first year I had so many problems with him adjusting to the heat. He developed
andydrosis over the first summer. His system just shut down and quit sweating.
This then caused ulcers than frequent colic.
On 11/13/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lucky lucky horse to come to live with you. I don't get the horse in a
stall thing. A friend, Amber of the Amber Adventures, went to visit the TWH
that was Hunter's sire. He apparently never left his stall - the owner
wouldn't bring him out
On 11/13/07, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMHO parrots don't belong as pets. We can rarely meet their needs for their
entire lives. Nice parrots are always looking for new homes.
They aren't the easiest pets, I really don't encourage people. I've
had my Grey for 17 years now, since he was
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:04:17 -0500, you wrote:
He doesn't sweat like all of my other horses have in the past, he only
sweats a little under his blanket.
Does he not sweat much - or is the sweat basically hidden in his coat?
Our boys spent a good hour playing hard yesterday, and it was a
I've sort of lost track of this thread. Who is this beautiful horse?
Nancy
We don't sell horses anymore - it seems so hard on them to change settings -
but what a shame that we couldn't take all the Icelandics out there, shake
them in some sort of a giant bag and re-distribute them to owners who would
like them just as they came out of the box. I'm 65 and I like a
The ironic part is that fear is not rational.
Ya. I get mad at myself when I am nervous on a
perfectly mellow horse.
Lorraine
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located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I
have clipped his
OH MY GOSH. WE HAVE TO MEET! I am off of Mnt.
View and Broadway. Near the Cross Cut trailhead. I
know the feeling. My horses have been breathing hard
and sweating. And I hate our summers. Lorraine
Lorraine
The Icelandic
horses that I know that are noticeably quicker in their tempo are ones who
have been taught that's their default
You know, thinking about it, I have only worked with Icelandics that
were born and originally trained in Iceland - I guess it gives me a
scewed perspective. Do we
I think many Icies have an inherent desire to go quickly wherever they
go. This is masked by the fact that they are so calm and peaceful when
working with them from the ground.
I really don't believe that is true, Laree. I have no doubt that some
horses are innately more energetic than
...a peppy horse can be trained to rate his speed Absolutely! The highly
energetic Hunter has learned to know when he's baby sitting. In one week,
we went out once with a group of endurance riders and he was pretty darned
silly when we first met up with them. Then we went out with a woman we
My wife and I have recently adopted a 5yr old fjord, wasn't in the
shape described in the article , but still was under weight.
I'm going to include some photos, she originally came from Canada,
Thanks for the photos, Dwight! She looks so much better now!
Judy
I will be in Phoenix on Thanksgiving, and meeting with Lorraine on
Friday morning. Want to join us?
I would, if I were going to be in the neighborhood! When are you coming to
NC, Judy?
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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Do we have cases of bolting Icies that are
domestic born and trained?
Loftur is one... But...Loftur WAS born in Iceland,
His actual saddle training wasn't begun
until he came to the USA though.
I think his training was icelandic-style, tho, wasn't
it?
Judy
Maybe Scooter just ran off with me. I did stop him. Either way it is
dangerous for me
I don't see it as being worth quibbling over the term, Lori. I think what's
important is that you figure out how to make you and Scooter more
comfortable, so you can deal with it.
Why do YOU think he gets
you think it would help if his hair was longer(to
act as a cooling
I was told to clip them. I clipped my two but they
are still growing hair. I have heard that about long
haired dogs. That the long hair protects them.
Lorraine
I will be in Phoenix on Thanksgiving, and meeting
with Lorraine on
Friday morning. Want to join us?
Carol, Yes. Please do.
Lorraine
located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I have clipped his
hair to help with the heat. Even in the winter we are looking at 80's
during the day.
Hi Carol, how old is he? imported or domestic?
What type of clip did you give him? pictures?
I will be in Phoenix on
Here's Janice sweeping her kitchen this morning...
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Wanda
Saskatchewan
Canada
I think it depends what you call a bolt. To me, a
bolt is the horse
running blind with its brain switched off, in blind
panic. Will go
over a cliff if there's one in the way. In 20 years
Scooter DID run over a pretty steep hill. He was
really pissy that day.
Lorraine
On Nov 14, 2007 9:24 AM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thats a very weird gait he's doing there! I
I believe it's the three legged horse shuffle. :p
Steph
--
Brutality begins where skill ends.
Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for
rider and horse from
rider's head. With a true bolting horse, nobody will
be able to stop
Maybe Scooter just ran off with me. I did stop him.
Either way it is dangerous for me
Lorraine
Be a better pen pal.
Text or
thats a very weird gait he's doing there! I I believe it's the three
legged horse shuffle. :p
I took that picture of Stonewall that I sent from a little video I made of
him. He was trotting. He has a rather odd trot though, because,
frame-by-frame, it often looked foxtrotty. But, you could
... former got showman ... Been there, done that. We showed a string of 15
Saanen dairy goat does and body clipped every one of them. They were
beautiful and elegant and we loved them dearly.
Nancy
located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I
have clipped his
OH MY GOSH. WE HAVE TO MEET! I am off of Mnt.
View and Broadway. Near the Cross Cut trailhead. I
know the feeling. My horses have been breathing hard
and sweating. And I hate our summers. Lorraine
On Nov 14, 2007 11:31 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I took that picture of Stonewall that I sent from a little video I made of
him. He was trotting. He has a rather odd trot though, because,
frame-by-frame, it often looked foxtrotty. But, you could see that his
diagonal pairs
It's taken a while, but he has learned that there's a time and a place
for everything, as my mother used to tell us.
Exactly.
Our Arab seemed crazy, flighty and all sorts of the typical Arab-y
descriptions when we first got him. He has more energy than many horses -
ok, maybe not so much now
Why do YOU think he gets pissy?
Well. I hardly rode him all summer. too hot. I
could just tell he didn't want to go out. There was a
person on a bucking horse nearby.
But yesterday. We had the perfect ride. We were
both relaxed. It was awesome. Yeah
Lorraine
I would, if I were going to be in the neighborhood!
When are you coming to
NC, Judy?
Karen, Just tolt right over here. LOL I wish.
Lorraine
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I think his training was icelandic-style, tho, wasn't it?
I was told that his very first under-saddle training was traditional, and
that it was a failure. Frankly, I didn't ask for a lot of detail on that
first saddle-training incident - I'd ask for more now. I just remember that
it wasn't
On Nov 14, 2007 9:11 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's taken a while, but he has learned that there's a time and a place
for everything, as my mother used to tell us.
Exactly.
Our Arab seemed crazy, flighty and all sorts of the typical Arab-y
descriptions when we first got
Janie Forbes wrote:
So, why does this comfortable affection disappear when I put on a halter to
ask the horses to do things for me?
Response by Leslie Desmond:
That is not an uncommon experience, or thing to witness.
It is perhaps related to aspects of confinement early lessons that were
On 11/14/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do YOU think he gets pissy?
Well. I hardly rode him all summer. too hot. I
could just tell he didn't want to go out. There was a
person on a bucking horse nearby.
But yesterday. We had the perfect ride. We were
both relaxed. It
But yesterday. We had the perfect ride. We were both relaxed. It
was awesome. Yeah
Focusing on the positive can never hurt, and is a good step forward. I'm
glad you had a good ride.
Karen
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Wingate, NC
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Karen, Just tolt right over here. LOL I wish.
But then I'd have to miss the joy of Thanksgiving dinner with my family and
two angelic and perfectly behaved nephews...
Hmmm, what time are you meeting? :)
Karen
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Wingate, NC
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What is collection?
Collection is when the horse gathers himself for
action by engaging his hindquarters*, shifting his
balance backward and lightening his forehand. His back
rounds in a bascule and his neck arches and rises,
especially at the base. His head is carried high and
On Nov 14, 2007 11:52 AM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do we have cases of bolting Icies that are
domestic born and trained?
Orri from Maple Leaf Icelandic Horse Farm, Rexton, NB Canada (but his
trainer was Icelandic).
V
On Nov 14, 2007 12:35 PM, Stephanie Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've missed all you guys, it's so nice to be back!
Steph
:D
V
Hey Mic,
that is so funny. That looks like the type of stuff I do with our horses. I
tried that with our arab/hackney and he looked at with all that stuff NO WAY.
What other breed would let their owners dress them up and just stand there like
a stature?
But with the icelandics they don't care
On Nov 13, 2007 10:38 PM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the bird spoke in her
voice.
The bird actually sounded like her?!!
V
and the limo Janice used when she got
married.
OK - the limo wins - what a hoot!
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:37:49 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
What other breed would let their owners dress them up and just stand there
like a stature?
It's a Shetland...
Mic
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The bird actually sounded like her?!! V
Greys can adopt many voices. Mine has gotten me and my husband in trouble
at different times by answering for us - the one asking the question would
swear the other answered.
Karen
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Wingate, NC
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:54:05 -0500, you wrote:
OK - the limo wins - what a hoot!
and here's Janice's new car alarm...
Mic
my dog alice actually does that.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
I think thats actually a picture of the morning sweep of Taco Bell
Janice
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yipie tie yie yo
Flipi (aka Naggur) the rescue I had. He's enjoying a non-riding retirement
in S. Ca.
Cherie
On 14/11/2007, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK - the limo wins - what a hoot!
and here's Janice's new car alarm...
Mic! I'm not worthy. I bow to your superior sarcasticne...
What a scream!
Love it.
Wanda
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African greys can sound exactly like the human they are mimicking.
When I did a lot of in-home care, training, and behavior consultations I
heard a lot of strange things...A guy paid me to listen to his bird then
hunt around his house to find out what item made this horrific squeal the
grey
Rider Siggy, farrier Sigurdur Sigurdsson, and Cornell's Michael
Wildenstein pose with a furry Icelandic horse (don't call them
ponies!) after an in-depth seminar on shoeing and gait adjustment on
the Icelandic horse.
http://tinyurl.com/2jqgbf
I think this is like saying Let me sell you a
That man said the bird sounded just like his wife speaking from the other
room. Since he'd lost her recently, it was hard for him to hear.
Nancy
On 11/14/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That man said the bird sounded just like his wife speaking from the other
room. Since he'd lost her recently, it was hard for him to hear.
That's why my Dad had to give up their grey when my Mom died - luckily
they had bought from a good
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How old is the mare anyway? I am afraid to take a walking vet bill, you have
her son so you should know how old this mare is from his papers. They said
she needs a pasture. I am
well. lord knows i shouldnt admit this, but fairly often our grey
will make a flatulent sound when my husband enters the room...
Janice
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Judy
Raven, do you think Huginn could be my mounting block
that would be too cute! course...you could also use dixie!!
We also did alot of snorkeling which was awesome!
Sally and I had a great time with Kim and Steve.They were really
fun and good natured about us having an island wide storm for the
first couple of days of their visit...the ride with the thunder5 and
lightning was pretty fun, the horses
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I am so happy that everyone had a good time... did I miss a link for pictures???
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OH Raven, now that would be cute, Dixie, Huginn, Jewel, then Charm...
I could walk right up them like stairs!!!
Mini, Icy, 14.2 Morgan, 16 and growing Morgan/MFT, who I thought was
going to be 14.3 when I bred her dam...
But, I bred her, so so far, I am keeping her...
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I and my horses love
Jeffersequine.com has ivermectin for $2.89. Judy
I still rotate with an ivermectin product, but has anyone else noticed that
the number of botflies has dramatically decreased the past couple of years?
I literally haven't seen any bott eggs this year, and only a few last year.
(Last year
As I watched the video, I was captivated by the wonderful description
of a perfectly collected equine athlete. What I saw on the screen however,
was nothing like what was being described. I was left with confusion about
the Icelandic Horse community's understanding of collection. I couldn't
This is Karens family home when she grew up. Janice
Yep, there I am with all my good-looking brothers surrounding me.
Karen
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Wingate, NC
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Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:47:46PM -, Judy Ryder wrote:
Rider Siggy, farrier Sigurdur Sigurdsson, and Cornell's Michael
Wildenstein pose with a furry Icelandic horse (don't call them
ponies!) after an in-depth seminar on shoeing and gait adjustment on
the Icelandic horse.
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