Hubby was reading that we shouldn't let the horses out on the pasture
in winter--it damages the pasture. So I'm not sure what to do--keep
them on a sacrifice lot all winter?
I was planning the sacrifice pen to be 100 x 200 -- is that big enough
for 2 ponies all winter?
I don't want
On 11/1/07 8:15 AM, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would strip graze it using electric fence (assuming it's grass and
weeds not harmful to horses). That way it will take you quite a way
through the winter...
That sounds
On 11/2/07, Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would worry about ruining the pasture if you had only a little bit of it.
If you have enough of it, two horses won't do all that much damage. Let them
run free and repair the damage (if any) in the spring - they will love you
for it.
I
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:26:55 -0500, you wrote:
which begs the question--- why do I have one. All I can surmise is
that some of you have herds of stepford horses.
If there's food around, Kalsi stands completely still with his head
down and waves one front foot in the air. Even if everyone else
i said it, you mean you never thought of that! and another
consideration, the few times i have people come over and feed for us
when we have to be out of town...I dont want them inside my horses
paddocks with them to pour feed , other than getting kicked in the
head they might leave the gate
I go into my herd of 16 horses with an arm full of hay, and they better
approach with manners or they can leave the dinning area!
The hay is mine and off limits until I place it in the feeder.
They can fight over the food all the want when I'm outta there but they
better behave while I'm in
yes I just go down the fence line pouring and they are inside whirling and
kicking each other, charging and biting. I have to pour tivars feed first
or he will actually hop up and down at the panel gate like the easter
bunny while curly ray brays at him and lunges to bite his face and hang
On 11/2/07, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I go into my herd of 16 horses with an arm full of hay, and they better
approach with manners or they can leave the dinning area!
I only have 2 here but they both know to go to their own bucket and
they each have their own spot to get their hay and
yes I just go down the fence line pouring and they are inside whirling
and kicking each other, charging and biting. I have to pour tivars
feed first or he will actually hop up and down at the panel gate like
the easter bunny while curly ray brays at him and lunges to bite his
face and hang on
I'm gonna get a video. Its just inconceivable to me that you guys
horses dont act like hogs at feeding time.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 11/2/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well...honestly...? I really don't think I have a hopping Easter bunny
horse, Janice!
which begs the question--- why do I have one. All I can surmise is
that some of you have herds of stepford horses.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Oh - but mine DO act like starving waifes that haven't been fed in months at
feeding time - but they just do it at a polite distance. :-) They all suck
their little cheeks and tummies in - to further accentuate their level of
malnutrition; they trot and snort and shake their heads; they beg
I'm gonna get a video. Its just inconceivable to me that you guys horses
dont act like hogs at feeding time. Janice
I didn't say my horses don't act like hogs - only that I don't have a hopping
Easter Bunny horse!
My guys behave pretty well when we're putting out hay. I walk into
On Nov 2, 2007 1:12 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yes I just go down the fence line pouring and they are inside whirling
and kicking each other, charging and biting. I have to pour tivars
feed first or he will actually hop up and down at the panel gate like
the easter bunny
I would strip graze it using electric fence (assuming it's grass and
weeds not harmful to horses). That way it will take you quite a way
through the winter...
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva
On 10/31/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What we
do to minimize the mud is to put down loads of pit gravel in the most
heavily used areas - near the gates, around the water troughs and over their
main traffic areas. The problem at first, of course, is that you won't know
where the
On 10/31/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I asked my sometimes farmer husband and he said he'd ask the folks who live
around you, remembering (I suspect) how very helpful our farmer neighbors
were when we moved here.
The neighbours don't have any animals but I did see some horse
On 10/31/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Virginia, will the horses be on it this winter? If so, by the time
they are on it, the nutritional value will be gone and it will make
for excellent foraging.
Hubby was reading that we shouldn't let the horses out on the pasture
in
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would strip graze it using electric fence (assuming it's grass and
weeds not harmful to horses). That way it will take you quite a way
through the winter...
That sounds good. How do I know when to move the fencing? Would
fencing off an acre
Hubby was reading that we shouldn't let the horses out on the pasture
in winter--it damages the pasture. So I'm not sure what to do-keep them on
a sacrifice lot all winter?
It WILL damage the pasture...but then, I've consciously worked to get my
pastures to a prime state of damage. :) Prime
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:15:44 -0300, you wrote:
That sounds good. How do I know when to move the fencing? Would
fencing off an acre at a time be OK or would it be too small?
If it was me, I would fence off about quarter of an acre, then once
that is eaten down thoroughly, move the strip fence
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:30:16 -0400, you wrote:
the lush pastures that most animal husbandry books
would have you believe that you need.
Most animal husbandry books cater for the dairy or meat industry where
you want the animal to get lots of goodness to make meat or milk. With
our
That sounds good. How do I know when to move the fencing? Would
fencing off an acre at a time be OK or would it be too small?
We rarely move fences - we move horses instead. We put up good, solid
perimeter fence, and cross-fence off smaller areas. The cross-fenced areas
have gates, so that
Stable-grid also works really well at the gates and under water tanks. It's
a plastic grid usually used for stall flooring. We dug a little under the
gates and a few feet out on each side, put the stable grid down and then put
gravel over it. It holds the gravel in place and drains well.
On 11/1/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A paddock of 100x200 is only about 1/2 acre. That's probably ok if you
will also be turning them out for periods about every day, but if I were
going to keep them on it all winter, I'd want at least twice that much room
for two I think.
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it was me, I would fence off about quarter of an acre, then once
that is eaten down thoroughly, move the strip fence about a metre per
day all the way along the longest side,
How do you move fence posts in winter?
V
If you want to use strip grazing, take a look at www.graziersystem.com they
have the sturdiest portable fencing. I got the 50 foot round pen size and
we used it to contain two horses when we first moved to NC so they could
aclimmate to the grass. You can train in it (without the electric on)
We were thinking to have a 100 x 200 sacrifice paddock with a run-in
shed and that's where we would keep the horses most of the time, feed them,
etc and there would be a gate opening to a larger pasture where we would let
them loose part of the day, depending on weather The 100 x 200 would be
How do you move fence posts in winter? V
The more relevant question around here would be: how do you get your husband
to move ANY fence?! :) Mine's pretty good at putting up fence, but he's
not much on moving one after it's up! I can move the step-in posts myself,
but anything else and I
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:52:56 -0300, you wrote:
How do you move fence posts in winter?
Electric fence posts? The plastic variety with metal points, designed
to be portable? Maybe you don't get them there? Or does your ground
freeze rock solid all day for days on end?
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On 11/1/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure what the tradition is in Canada, but
here's a tidbit: standard 8-foot boards you buy at the lumber stores are
almost always something like 7-feet, 10 inches. (I think - less than 8 feet
anyway.) We spaced our board fences about
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Electric fence posts? The plastic variety with metal points, designed
to be portable? Maybe you don't get them there? Or does your ground
freeze rock solid all day for days on end?
We probably can get them here--I've never worked with fencing
them on a sacrifice lot all winter?
I was planning the sacrifice pen to be 100 x 200 -- is that big enough
for 2 ponies all winter?
I don't want to ruin the pasture or let my ponies get sick or fat either
V - I have 2 ponies on 2 acres and they have eaten it down to nothing
(though I
I don't think we have those here--I've looked on our government
websites and couldn't find any listings.
V
V - The folks at your local Feed and Seed can really be helpful - just
make sure they are familiar with horses and not just cows. I have
gotten a lot of useful help that way
--
Laree
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, that is how Doppa was kept the
2 years before she came to me. It was that farm owners contention
that if they are kept that way all the time that they will regulate
themselves - it seemed to work for him.
The pastures at Maple
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The folks at your local Feed and Seed can really be helpful - just
make sure they are familiar with horses and not just cows. I have
gotten a lot of useful help that way
Thank you--I'll check that out.
V
Honestly though, as nice as the
board fence looks, I really like the horse wire with a 2x8 sight-board
better than the pure board fence - safer and less maintenance!
Of all the horse fencing I have seen and been around in different
farms, I think ends up being the most practical, safest, most
On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:15:44 -0300, you wrote:
If it was me, I would fence off about quarter of an acre, then once
that is eaten down thoroughly, move the strip fence about a metre per
day all the way along the longest side, so the horses always
On 11/1/07, Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
www.stable-grid.com
Thank you for the link--I'll keep that for reference. Looks like it
works really well.
V
On 11/1/07, Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want to use strip grazing, take a look at www.graziersystem.com they
have the sturdiest portable fencing.
That looks handy! Thanks for the link.
V
I've had several conversations about pasturing the ponies with the other
girl I know who bought an Icelandic from Niels West. All his Icelandics
were on beautiful large rolling grass-covered hills. Here in Southern
Oregon, their Lina had to be pulled off grass several times this summer
because
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately, I think you'll
have to figure out the details on your own. I'm hoping to have the details
of our management perfectly worked out in maybe another 20 years :
There's just no way you can get around the trial and error and
I think it's nice looking. Is it expensive? V
It's in the same ballpark with board fence when you pay someone to put it
up. (Cary has installed all of ours after we paid for the initial fencing.)
Back about 1988, I seem to remember that the horse wire with a sight board
was about the same as
The thing that baffles me is that I know horses (icelandics included)
that are kept 24/7 on a pretty lush pasture and seem to do fine - a little
plump but not dangerously so. In fact, that is how Doppa was kept the 2
years before she came to me. It was that farm owners contention that if
they
On 11/1/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think ends up being the most practical, safest, most predator
proof and long lasting.
I think it's nice looking. Is it expensive?
V
More so than electric but in this area, cheaper
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:29:30 -0800, you wrote:
Maybe it's true that if grass
is all they ever experience, they only eat what they need. It would scare
me, however.
Our youngsters and brood mares all have large (for the UK!) areas of
grass, moor and heathland to range in, and ad-lib haylage in
More so than electric but in this area, cheaper than all board - just
be dure you are looking at Horse wire, not just plain 2X4 welded wire. The
Diamond mesh is my favorite but probably the most expensive. You can google
wire mesh horse fencing and see lots of pics and ides.
Yep, the cheaper
I only once had an Icelandic that had been allowed free range on
proper pasture (40 acres of dairy cow pasture). She was actually NOT that
fat - but she had had recurring chronic laminitis for 5 years (her owner
could not understand why she was so often lame and thought she had damaged
her
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More so than electric but in this area, cheaper than all board - just
be dure you are looking at Horse wire, not just plain 2X4 welded wire.
The Diamond mesh is my favorite but probably the most expensive. You
can google wire mesh horse
Unfortunately, I think you'll
have to figure out the details on your own. I'm hoping to have the details
of our management perfectly worked out in maybe another 20 years :
V - There's just no way you can get around the trial and error and fix
mistakes part of it. You can avoid a lot of
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think ends up being the most practical, safest, most predator
proof and long lasting.
I think it's nice looking. Is it expensive?
V
Yes. I think Lina is 5, Tosca 4 and Yrsa 3, but the question for us has
been how he could manage an entire herd (I think 30 or so) on open pasture
and not have trouble managing weight. There was every age there from foals
to mares and one gelding in their teens. All appeared to be carrying a
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:50:29 -0400, you wrote:
Many older horses who founder from Cushing's
In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder -
is it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably?
Here, founder is a specific term only used when refering to a
Yes. I think Lina is 5, Tosca 4 and Yrsa 3, but the question for us
has been how he could manage an entire herd (I think 30 or so) on open
pasture
and not have trouble managing weight.
I've never seen a herd of free grazing Icelandic's that didn't have some
serious weight problems in the
Hi Virginia,
The new place is going to be so fun for you!
Personally I wouldn't mow the pasture. Curious how big is it?
I doubt two horses will do any noticeable damage to it. You're likely to
only see damage near the gate where they'll exuberantly peel-out throwing a
bit of dirt and sod.
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:01:05 -0400, you wrote:
I've never seen a herd of free grazing Icelandic's that didn't have some
serious weight problems in the mature horses...
In our lot, only youngsters, brood mares and oldies get free grazing.
The riding horses (or ones of that sort of age, mares who
I was looking at one of the fields today. Four horses, total years
between them 111 !
I have a herd here that between the 4 have 104 years!
They get pretty much unrestricted grazing. Three of them (mares) come in
when the boys go out. The gelding can go out with the boys and chooses to
about
In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder - is
it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably?
They are different, but related terms. Laminitis is the root disease,
actually a symptom of something else being awry, where the lamina become
inflamed.
In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder -
is it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably?
Technically, yes there is a difference in the terms here too. But they are
often used interchangeably, especially by laymen.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real
frozen ground is! ;o)
Cheryl, it was Mic from Wales that mentioned moving the posts...but maybe
she's from the south of Wales...? :) I don't really care - all any of us
can do is share OUR experiences, and I'm sure that
The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real
frozen ground is! ;o)
You're right Cheryl and that's why it's good for V to hear from folks
like you that deal with the much colder temps. We couldn't dig fence
posts this summer with a tractor auger becasue the ground
self regulating? Well, if nasi will eat mentholated kitty litter
without self regulation
janice--
yipie tie yie yo
not putting up fence alleyways or corridors to move from one field to
the other
I LOVE my alley way connecting my four paddocks to the winter pasture.
Someone told me I should take it out it was a waste of room. No way!
The paddocks all open into the alley which also gives a backup enclosure
Saint Philippe, New Brunswick, Canada (about 10-15 minutes
from Moncton)
Looks wonderful!
You're further north than I am, but the temps off the water may moderate the
temperature some.
How FUN!!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
... stop worming her ... that's almost as bad about our joking about leaving
the blankets off the fat horses so that they would expend more energy
keeping warm. Wonder if that would work for me.
Nancy
On 11/1/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The members from the south don't seem to have a grasp of just what real
frozen ground is! ;o)
haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are
Janice :)
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 11/1/07, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Needless to say I was thankful my alley was there. Still I hate to leave my
horses in the care of others!
Cheryl
me too! you can explain to someone til you are blue in the face but
until they've almost lost a beloved pet and had a humoungous
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are
Janice :)
and I NEVER want to know what REAL bugs are LOL
V
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
having gates and alleyways so you can close them off and move the
tractor or other vehicles in and out and not have to worry about
horses getting out.
That is good to know--I never would've thought of it.
I also caught nasi eating cat
haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are
Janice :)
For sure!! LOL
I was in Orlando once walking alone. I knew no one was around when I started
down the side walk. Yet I started hearing footsteps very close behind me. I
was little nervous wondering where this
This photo may give you an idea of the area I want to fence for pasture.
It is wonderful Virginia!
I wouldn't mow it. The horses will appreciate the winter browse.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
On 11/1/07, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This photo may give you an idea of the area I want to fence for pasture.
It is wonderful Virginia!
I wouldn't mow it. The horses will appreciate the winter browse.
Thanks. I'll send photos again once we have the horses home.
V
Done. Have West Nile too. Plus a bunch of other ones--maybe some I
won't need once they're out of a boarding barn?
West Nile, EEE, WEE, VEE are insect-borne illnesses, so they are needed if
you're in a risky area, even if you keep your horses at home. Rabies -
always vaccinate. It's just
On 11/1/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of the others like flu, rhino, PHF, strangles are more
debatable, so talk to your vet and discuss the risks in your area.
Yep, those were the ones I was going to check on.
V
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:32:57 -0500, you wrote:
haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are
And you pansies in Florida don't know what REAL mud and rain is!!!
; )
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
We need to have a competition.
Southern Oregon doesn't do bugs or snow, but we could sure be competitive in
the mud division.
If I were going to make book, I'd bet on Janice for bugs and Wanda for snow.
Nancy
Southern Oregon doesn't do bugs or snow, but we could sure be
competitive in the mud division. If I were going to make book, I'd bet on
Janice for bugs and Wanda for snow.
I'd bet on those two in those categories too. Now...for the mud
category...are we talking year-round or seasonal...? We
On 01/11/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I were going to make book, I'd bet on Janice for bugs and Wanda for snow.
Nancy
Not so much snow, but cold yes...
Wanda
Not so much snow, but cold yes...
Wanda, I think you have so much snow that you just have stopped seeing it!
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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On 11/1/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:32:57 -0500, you wrote:
haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are
And you pansies in Florida don't know what REAL mud and rain is!!!
; )
Mic
maybe mud, but rain? we know rain. except we
On 01/11/2007, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wanda, I think you have so much snow that you just have stopped seeing it!
We DID have a lot of snow last yearthus the reason we bought a
snow blower for the little tractor.. However, we don't get the dumps
like I sometimes see Boston or
Wanda, I think you have so much snow that you just have stopped seeing it!
Wanda, you need to go find that picture you posted last year when I
was so amazed and posted that picture of our frozen water trough and
you posted a pic of YOUR frozen water trough and it was like six foot
frozen
maybe mud, but rain? we know rain. except we are in a drought!
Janice
yipie tie yie yo
Isn't it great that we all have our little version of heaven :-))
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
When you're young and you fall off a horse, you may break something.
When
No - only seasonal mud here. If you have red clay, then you may win. Ours
will suck off a rubber boot, though.
Nancy
We have 50 acres more or less fenced for 7-8 horses (2 Belgians, 2-3
Icelandics, 1 Paint, 1 Paso Fino, 1 Fjord). There's a small barn/run-in
surrounded by a circular horse wire fence, it's about an acre (we call it
the hub). At the opposite end of the circle (inside) and downhill from the
barn
On either side of the hub are 20+ acre, very hilly
pastures with gates into the hub. We let them run in one section for about
1-3 months then switch them to the other side.
I know a couple of people that use the hub set up and it is very
functional - a really nice set up if you can do it with
On 11/1/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No - only seasonal mud here. If you have red clay, then you may win.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, stains like Carolina red mud - not even
Clorox takes it out - and it transfer from one piece of clothing to
another in the wash. Light colored
On 11/1/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
make sure you have your system of feeding them where you dont have to
go in with them. Just pour over the fence or whatever.
Why?
V
well my horses arent like some people on here who say their horses
will march up to the feed
On 11/1/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Probably 99% of
people who have been kicked to death by a horse was at feeding time.
Thank you Janice.
V
Oh, yes. my horses would like to be heathens but I ruin their fun buy
picking up the Parelli attention device and whirling it aroundthen the
little angels straighten out their halos and stand back respectfully while I
place the food around. I do NOT aim the stick or string at them; it
Also--if I want to fence a smaller area near the run-in and use it as a
sacrifice pen, what would be the best way to prepare the footing? If I just
let the horses lose won't it just turn to mud over the winter?
It's been trial and error for us, and I'm sure it will depend a lot on your
temps,
Haven't a clue as to an answer, but it is just so pretty there.
Nancy
Oregon
At our new home, the area I want to fence in for a
pasture has tall
grass and some weeds. Should I mow this before
letting the horses in
there?
I think it depends on how much there is, what kind of
grass, what kind of weeds, and how much your horses
can eat without having a problem
I asked my sometimes farmer husband and he said he'd ask the folks who live
around you, remembering (I suspect) how very helpful our farmer neighbors
were when we moved here.
Nancy
On 10/31/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At our new home, the area I want to fence in for a pasture has tall
grass and some weeds. Should I mow this before letting the horses in
there?
Might want to have someone in your area, who would know, if any of
your plants or weeds are
On 31/10/2007, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At our new home, the area I want to fence in for a pasture has tall
grass and some weeds. Should I mow this before letting the horses in
there?
Virginia, will the horses be on it this winter? If so, by the time
they are on it, the
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