+1
On 7/6/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ladies, Gentlemen, Kings and Princesses,
With the nice PHP 5 / PHP 6 unicode semantics thread under way I am
trying to gauge what people feel about dropping support for PHP 4 at the
end of this year. That does not mean that we will not fix
+1
On Jul 26, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:
+1
On 7/6/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ladies, Gentlemen, Kings and Princesses,
With the nice PHP 5 / PHP 6 unicode semantics thread under way I am
trying to gauge what people feel about dropping support for PHP 4
at
Do that on some other list please.
--Jani
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:44 +0200, Marco wrote:
Hi All
Now the announcement is on php.net should we start looking for volunteers to
help increase the amount of knowledge available for developers looking at
upgrading their code to PHP 5? Should I
Hi All
Now the announcement is on php.net should we start looking for volunteers to
help increase the amount of knowledge available for developers looking at
upgrading their code to PHP 5? Should I start a new thread to look for
volunteers? I for one am happy to help write some documentation in
chris# wrote:
Sebastian Mendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
I think that same analogy applies to both versions of PHP - one version
is
more suitable for one thing (your choice(s) here), and vise-a-versa. Or;
while PHP5 allows you to manifest functionality, PHP4 allows you to tack
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:43:57 +0200, Sebastian Mendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
Sebastian Mendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
I think that same analogy applies to both versions of PHP - one
version
is
more suitable for one thing (your choice(s) here), and
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Tijnema wrote:
Yes, that's what I meant to say, they can be implemented on top of,
just like the above mentioned json, it is implemented on top of too.
But, that means that a regular PHP programmer doesn't need PHP5 for
his scripts (except for OO if they want). Do you think it matters to
them if
David Coallier schrieb:
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
The claim that is still repeated
that one has to rewrite everything
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:17 -0400, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
The claim that
chris# schrieb:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:17 -0400, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 11:04 +0200, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
i don't think so ... PHP 5 is always the better choice ... cause PHP 4
development has stopped and support will end and you will get no more
security update after 2008-08-08(?)
Actually this has been the de-facto state of PHP 4 for a
On 7/12/07, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
The claim that is still repeated
that
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:13:07 +0100, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tijnema wrote:
Yes, that's what I meant to say, they can be implemented on top of,
just like the above mentioned json, it is implemented on top of too.
But, that means that a regular PHP programmer doesn't need PHP5
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:04:53 +0200, Sebastian Mendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# schrieb:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:17 -0400, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On
chris# wrote:
Something just occurred to me that might satisfy both sides of the issue.
What about the way Apache handles their versions of Apache (1.x and 2.x).
That is to say; they haven't abandoned 1.3 (no surprise, as I think it still
has the biggest install base). They simply maintain
Something just occurred to me that might satisfy both sides of the issue.
What about the way Apache handles their versions of Apache (1.x and 2.x).
That is to say; they haven't abandoned 1.3 (no surprise, as I think it
still
has the biggest install base). They simply maintain security related
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:51:39 +0100, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
Something just occurred to me that might satisfy both sides of the
issue.
What about the way Apache handles their versions of Apache (1.x and
2.x).
That is to say; they haven't abandoned 1.3 (no
On 7/12/07, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/12/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/12/07, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
On 7/10/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested: a) We
On 7/10/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the
Almost, I want to change the 2nd paragraph to:
Hereby the PHP development team announces that support for PHP 4 will
continue until the end of this year only. After 2007-12-31 there will
be no more releases of PHP 4.4. We will continue to make critical
security
fixes available on a
Sebastian Mendel wrote:
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
it was badly advertised!
most people don't even know how much faster it is!
Is it really faster? From what I've read over the past few years the
general opinion is that
On 11.07.2007, at 14:06, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
+1
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
it was badly advertised!
most people don't even know how much faster it is!
to say nothing about of all the new features not known by most
On 7/11/07, Lukas Kahwe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11.07.2007, at 14:06, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
+1
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
it was badly advertised!
most people don't even know how much faster it is!
to
On 11.07.2007, at 15:11, David Coallier wrote:
On 7/11/07, Lukas Kahwe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11.07.2007, at 14:06, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
+1
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is
so bad?
it was badly advertised!
most
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 11.07.2007, at 14:06, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so
bad?
it was badly advertised!
most people don't even know how much faster it is! to
Stut schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel wrote:
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
it was badly advertised!
most people don't even know how much faster it is!
Is it really faster? From what I've read over the past few years the
^^
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
The claim that is still repeated
that one has to rewrite everything to be OO in order to port to PHP 5
is,
quite simply, FUD.
True. But then again, what's the point of using 5 if you're not
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:06:02 +0200, Sebastian Mendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1
Guilherme Blanco schrieb:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
it was badly advertised!
Can't argue with that. :)
most people don't even know how much faster it is!
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:12:35 -0700, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
The claim that is still repeated
that one has to rewrite everything to be OO in order to port to PHP 5
is,
quite
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
The claim that is still repeated
that one has to rewrite everything to be OO in order to port to PHP 5
is,
quite simply, FUD.
True. But then
Tijnema wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
- file_get_contents()
PHP 4 = 4.3.0, PHP 5
D'oh! Thanks for the history lesson.
- simplexml / DOM parsing / libxml2
- json_encode|decode
JSON PECL extension can be installed for PHP = 4.3.0
It *can* be, but it is
On 7/12/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tijnema wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
- file_get_contents()
PHP 4 = 4.3.0, PHP 5
D'oh! Thanks for the history lesson.
;)
- simplexml / DOM parsing / libxml2
- json_encode|decode
JSON PECL
Richard Lynch wrote:
On Wed, July 11, 2007 4:40 pm, Tijnema wrote:
Except for the OO, I don't see anything that can't be done in PHP4,
while it can be done in PHP5. Some workarounds are maybe needed, but
it mostly doesn't require more than 10 lines of PHP code extra.
The SOAP / XML stuff is
On Wed, July 11, 2007 7:48 pm, Jeff Griffiths wrote:
Richard Lynch wrote:
On Wed, July 11, 2007 4:40 pm, Tijnema wrote:
Except for the OO, I don't see anything that can't be done in PHP4,
while it can be done in PHP5. Some workarounds are maybe needed,
but
it mostly doesn't require more than
On 7/11/07, Tijnema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
chris# wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
The claim that is still repeated
that one has to rewrite everything to be OO in order to port to
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 19:54 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote:
On Wed, July 11, 2007 7:48 pm, Jeff Griffiths wrote:
Richard Lynch wrote:
On Wed, July 11, 2007 4:40 pm, Tijnema wrote:
Except for the OO, I don't see anything that can't be done in PHP4,
while it can be done in PHP5. Some
On Wednesday 11 July 2007, Jeff Griffiths wrote:
If you're writing an app that does a lot of json or xml parsing or
output, *even if you don't use the class keyword anywhere in your own
code* PHP5 is a better language than PHP4. Drupal is a great example of
this because even though Drupal
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:52:27 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 09 July 2007, chris# wrote:
OK. I can't help but notice the overall underwhelming reception to PHP5
(mostly by ISP's). Which begs the question /why/? Shouldn't /that/ be
the
question? Or maybe I should
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we
plan to discontinue bug fixes
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:56:16 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 09 July 2007, chris# wrote:
I will venture to say that the biggest issue was; no transition period.
That is to say that PHP4 and PHP5 are two completely different
creatures.
There was no morphing
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:34:12 +0200 (CEST), Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 01:09:35AM -0700, chris# wrote:
No offense, I can't resist...
Neither can I:
p
Today has been exactly three years since PHP 5 was released. In
those three years it has seen many improvements over PHP 4. PHP 5 is
fast, stable production-ready and as PHP 6
My 2 cents...
p
As of XX-XX-2007, it will have been 3 years since the release of PHP 5. In
these 3 years many improvements have been implemented over PHP 4 and PHP 5
can now be considered fast, stable amp; production ready. With PHP 6 in
active development PHP 4 development will now be
Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Pierre wrote:
On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end
On Tuesday 10 July 2007, chris# wrote:
Better docs on how to run PHP 4 and PHP 5 at the same time would likely
be helpful, and someone is working on that for GoPHP5.org, I think.
However, your claim that you have millions... of lines of code that have
to be nearly
completely rewritten
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 10 July 2007, chris# wrote:
Better docs on how to run PHP 4 and PHP 5 at the same time would
likely
be helpful, and someone is working on that for GoPHP5.org, I think.
However, your claim that you
On 7/9/07, Pierre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the ideal world.
Unfortunately yes.
They should really not use it anymore but they
can and they will. No matter what we do.
Right.
Some Linux distributors will certainly
take care of php5 for an even longer period.
Yes, about 6 or 7
With the benefit of a lot of reading in this thread...
And not sure my vote even counts.
+1 PHP4 link to museum
+1 Announce ASAP security fixes only until 8/8/8
It is not abandoning users, at this point, to do this, imho.
They've had years to switch to PHP 5.
They've got another years' worth
-1
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:32:50 +0200 (CEST), Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ladies, Gentlemen, Kings and Princesses,
With the nice PHP 5 / PHP 6 unicode semantics thread under way I am
trying to gauge what people feel about dropping support for PHP 4 at the
end of this year.
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:32:50 +0200 (CEST), Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ladies, Gentlemen, Kings and Princesses,
With the nice PHP 5 / PHP 6 unicode semantics thread under way I am
trying to gauge what people feel about dropping support for PHP 4 at the
end of this year.
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:30:06 +0300, Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nevermind the wording, just as soon as we just put a notice on php.net that
the
end is near, prepare yourselves the sooner hosting companies, etc.
realize the
end is really near.. :)
I'd be more for dropping all
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:53:58 +0300, Jani Taskinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So why keep supporting PHP 4 then?
Why keep top posting? It makes no sense.
Stanislav Malyshev kirjoitti:
I'd be more for dropping all support whatsoever by the end of this
year and focus totally on PHP 5/6.
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we
plan to discontinue bug fixes for PHP 4 except for security fixes.
b) We will discontinue supporting PHP 4 on 8/8/8 (because it
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:01:22 +0200, Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
I think we have all asked that very same question and the answer is a mix
of
a few standard issues.
I will venture to say that the biggest issue was;
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:18:29 +0200, Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My thought about php4-php6 migration was that when php6 is out to
encourage (or more correctly said almost enforce - with the proper
announcement for EOL on the php.net) the php4 users to upgrade directly
to
php6. This way
On 7/9/07, chris# [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW The boxen I get my mail on is running PHP4 and I have absolutely
no trouble with unicode support in my mail (to or from).
did you try sorting? comparison between string which use different
unicode-normalisation forms?
I guess that wouldn't work
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:21:07 -0400, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/8/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare official PHP 4
end-of-life
to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to choose a suitable
timezone :)
I will venture to say that the biggest issue was; no transition period.
I dont think the transition period is a reason for lack of migration 3 years
is a pretty long time!. the biggest issue is lack of support in popular
applications, I can't tell you the number of time's i've spoken to a
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:46 +0400, Alexey Zakhlestin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 7/9/07, chris# [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW The boxen I get my mail on is running PHP4 and I have absolutely
no trouble with unicode support in my mail (to or from).
did you try sorting? comparison
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:35:30AM +0200, Marco wrote:
I will venture to say that the biggest issue was; no transition period.
I dont think the transition period is a reason for lack of migration 3 years
is a pretty long time!. the biggest issue is lack of support in popular
On 7/9/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we
plan to discontinue bug fixes for PHP 4 except for security fixes.
b) We
FWIW The boxen I get my mail on is running PHP4 and I have absolutely
no trouble with unicode support in my mail (to or from).
The unicode changes in PHP6 are a little more complicated than that and
change how most of the engine works, this is a good thing IMO as native
unicode support is
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Marco wrote:
although I guess i'm not looking forward to reading php code that
says
?php
function 北方话/北方話()
{
echo Hello world ;
}
You can do that already with PHP 4 as well if your script is in UTF-8:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat unicode.php
?php
function
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:46:52 +0100, Alain Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:35:30AM +0200, Marco wrote:
I will venture to say that the biggest issue was; no transition period.
I dont think the transition period is a reason for lack of migration 3
years
is a
You can do that already with PHP 4 as well if your script is in UTF-8:
Scary! :-D
Regards
Marco
Alain Williams wrote:
[snip]
What might be nice is a patch to PHP4 that provides a bit in error_reporting
that would cause warnings on stuff that might break on a move to PHP5.
Someone could then switch it on and look at what is logged. I suspect that
many people would also be pleasantly
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:49:42 +0200, Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW The boxen I get my mail on is running PHP4 and I have absolutely
no trouble with unicode support in my mail (to or from).
The unicode changes in PHP6 are a little more complicated than that and
change how most of
The trouble is that many PHP scripts dynamically include other files
and variables being dynamically typed ... you really need to run the
script to see what happens.
Good point!
I wonder if something like this could be added to xdebug or a new extension?
TBH I like the idea just dont really
What might be nice is a patch to PHP4 that provides a bit in
error_reporting
that would cause warnings on stuff that might break on a move to PHP5.
Someone could then switch it on and look at what is logged. I suspect that
many people would also be pleasantly surprised that 4 - 5 is not as hard
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 12:44:09PM +0200, Marco wrote:
What might be nice is a patch to PHP4 that provides a bit in
error_reporting
that would cause warnings on stuff that might break on a move to PHP5.
Someone could then switch it on and look at what is logged. I suspect that
many people
I was actually referring to a transition from PHP4 to PHP5. As I
originally
stated; there was not a smooth transition - PHP4 is almost nothing like
PHP5.
So, what I really meant; was that the difference between the two is quite
stark.
I'm not quite sure what you mean about the transition? I
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:25:32 -0700, in php.internals
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rasmus Lerdorf) wrote:
b) We will discontinue supporting PHP 4 on 8/8/8 (because it sounds good
and gives people about a year).
The number 8 also has lots of meaning in Chinese culture. For example
the Beijing Olympics
On Monday 09 July 2007, Peter Brodersen wrote:
Usually the PHP development does not bother with specific vendors,
products, hosting companies or recommendations in general and so on.
But if we really are up for it, it might have a pacific effect to put
up some known-good lists; stuff like
On Monday 09 July 2007, chris# wrote:
OK. I can't help but notice the overall underwhelming reception to PHP5
(mostly by ISP's). Which begs the question /why/? Shouldn't /that/ be the
question? Or maybe I should ask: Has anybody bothered to find out why the
majority of PHP installers /prefer/
On Monday 09 July 2007, chris# wrote:
I will venture to say that the biggest issue was; no transition period.
That is to say that PHP4 and PHP5 are two completely different creatures.
There was no morphing period. After several years of working with PHP3/4
in this fashion, /suddenly/ most of
The number 8 also has lots of meaning in Chinese culture. For example
the Beijing Olympics will begin on 8/8/8 at 8:08:08 pm because the word
for 8 sounds like 发 which means prosper or wealth.
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare official PHP 4
end-of-life to be on 8:08:08 pm
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
The number 8 also has lots of meaning in Chinese culture. For example
the Beijing Olympics will begin on 8/8/8 at 8:08:08 pm because the word
for 8 sounds like 发 which means prosper or wealth.
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 11:46:08AM +0200, Derick Rethans wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
The number 8 also has lots of meaning in Chinese culture. For example
the Beijing Olympics will begin on 8/8/8 at 8:08:08 pm because the word
for 8 sounds like 发 which means
On 08.07.2007, at 16:15, Alain Williams wrote:
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 11:46:08AM +0200, Derick Rethans wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
The number 8 also has lots of meaning in Chinese culture. For
example
the Beijing Olympics will begin on 8/8/8 at 8:08:08 pm because
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare official PHP 4 end-of-life
to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to choose a suitable timezone :)
Well, for us using the 24 hr clock I'd say 8:08:08 am (ante meridiem) as
it otherwise will be 20:08:08 when we speak and write about
Keryx Web wrote:
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare official PHP 4
end-of-life
to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to choose a suitable
timezone :)
Well, for us using the 24 hr clock I'd say 8:08:08 am (ante meridiem) as
it otherwise will be 20:08:08 when we
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare official PHP 4
end-of-life
to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to choose a suitable
timezone :)
Well, for us using the 24 hr clock I'd say 8:08:08 am (ante meridiem) as
it otherwise will be 20:08:08 when we speak and write about
On 7/8/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare official PHP 4
end-of-life
to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to choose a suitable
timezone :)
Well, for us using the 24 hr clock I'd say 8:08:08 am (ante meridiem) as
it
Of David Coallier
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:21 PM
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Cc: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
On 7/8/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare
official PHP
4 end-of-life to be on 8:08:08 pm too
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On 7/8/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare
official PHP
4 end-of-life to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to
choose a suitable timezone :)
Well, for us
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
On 7/8/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare
On 7/9/07, Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. If they don't get security updates then they can't really use it
anymore...
That's the ideal world. They should really not use it anymore but they
can and they will. No matter what we do. I saw many hosts with
outdated versions or using old
On 7/6/07, Oliver Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Vesselin,
what is the source of your numbers?
Best Regards,
Oliver
Vesselin Kenashkov schrieb:
-1
Because the majority of the installation (somebody two month ago in this
list mentioned that php 5 has just 10% adoption) is still
2007/7/7, Vesselin Kenashkov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So as of november 2006 the php5 adoption was slightly above 12%. Having the
time passed since (and looking on the graphics - 8% per year), we can guess
that now it is close to 20%.
well done, you guessed it right. see the same stats for june:
On 7/6/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ladies, Gentlemen, Kings and Princesses,
With the nice PHP 5 / PHP 6 unicode semantics thread under way I am
trying to gauge what people feel about dropping support for PHP 4 at the
end of this year. That does not mean that we will not fix
Hi,
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 11:00 +0300, Vesselin Kenashkov wrote:
I can not find the specific message...
But googling I found this:
http://www.nexen.net/chiffres_cles/phpversion/php_stats_evolution_for_november_2006.php
So as of november 2006 the php5 adoption was slightly above 12%. Having
Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we
plan to discontinue bug fixes for PHP 4 except for security fixes.
b) We will discontinue supporting PHP 4 on 8/8/8 (because it sounds good
and gives
On 7/7/07, Johannes Schlüter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 11:00 +0300, Vesselin Kenashkov wrote:
I can not find the specific message...
But googling I found this:
http://www.nexen.net/chiffres_cles/phpversion/php_stats_evolution_for_november_2006.php
So as of november
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested:
a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we
plan to discontinue bug fixes for PHP 4 except for security fixes.
b) We will discontinue supporting PHP 4 on 8/8/8 (because it
See below:
-Original Message-
From: Jani Taskinen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 6:01 AM
To: Andi Gutmans
Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
Andi Gutmans wrote:
I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested
Vesselin Kenashkov schrieb:
announcement for EOL on the php.net) the php4 users to upgrade directly to
php6. This way the php6 adoption could be much faster than php5 one.
So please give your opinions on this.
I'd say this is not a good idea because PHP6 will/should/hopefully does
introduce
Marco wrote:
Have you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?
I think we have all asked that very same question and the answer is a mix
of a few standard issues. The hard part has always been deciding how to
move it forward. Without the customers demanding change
Ladies, Gentlemen, Kings and Princesses,
With the nice PHP 5 / PHP 6 unicode semantics thread under way I am
trying to gauge what people feel about dropping support for PHP 4 at the
end of this year. That does not mean that we will not fix security
issues, we have to as the install base is too
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