UTF-8 patch updated, please reconsider

2006-01-04 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Hello, I have updated the UTF-8 patch. The new version is available at: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~alexander/patches2/lfs_book-r7243-utf8-1.patch The rendered version is at: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~alexander/lfs-book/ Changes: * Implemented the install_root=/ method for

Re: UTF-8 patch updated, please reconsider

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/04/06 08:20 CST: Please apply the patch, and, in the case if it is unsuitable as a whole, please don't revert parts that are actually OK. I thought it was almost 100% choice of folks that responded to use DB instead of the GDBM database. I realize

Re: UTF-8 patch updated, please reconsider

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/04/06 10:16 CST: OK, I will build LFS and update the patch tomorrow. Comments on other parts of the patch are still welcome. Should I use DB-4.3.29 or 4.4.16? I used 4.4.16 in my most recent build. I did not update BLFS to this version. There

Re: UTF-8 patch updated, please reconsider

2006-01-04 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 1/4/06, Alexander E. Patrakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have updated the UTF-8 patch. The new version is available at: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~alexander/patches2/lfs_book-r7243-utf8-1.patch The rendered version is at: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~alexander/lfs-book/

Re: LFS-Alphabetical ICA/Farce Results

2006-01-04 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 1/3/06, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For evidence, here's a diff of the build logs between iter1 and iter2 for bison: --- iter1/bison-2.1.log 2005-12-29 11:50:40.0 -0800 +++ iter2/bison-2.1.log 2005-12-29 13:28:54.0 -0800 @@ -79,8 +79,7 @@ checking for yywrap

Re: Package Management

2006-01-04 Thread Andrew Benton
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: I went to our bugzilla to add this if no one else had already. Guess what quips.cgi decided to pull up for the quote? Package managers are for wimps! -Archaic Amen. Andy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/

Re: LFS-Alphabetical ICA/Farce Results

2006-01-04 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 1/4/06, Tushar Teredesai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/06, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For evidence, here's a diff of the build logs between iter1 and iter2 for bison: --- iter1/bison-2.1.log 2005-12-29 11:50:40.0 -0800 +++ iter2/bison-2.1.log 2005-12-29

Re: [locale] nano version

2006-01-04 Thread Nico R.
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: The question is how the book should handle this. Valid options: 1) Upgrade nano to 1.3.9 and briefly explain the reason on its page. Don't add anything to the locale related issues page because the issue is completely resolved. 2) Keep both nano-1.2.5 and

ICA/LFS-Alpha Status Update [Was: Re: LFS-Alphabetical ICA/Farce Results]

2006-01-04 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Dan Nicholson wrote: OK, but in this case it was useful. Putting bison in Ch.5, and moving flex before bison in Ch. 6 has cleared up the ICA differences. Later I'll actually look at the bison source a bit to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure there's a circular dependency here. flex uses

Re: ICA/LFS-Alpha Status Update [Was: Re: LFS-Alphabetical ICA/Farce Results]

2006-01-04 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 1/4/06, Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you guys mind giving me a little summary of the progress of the last week? Also, Chris, I believe you have a patch for the book, right? Which is the current one? Until they finally kick me off their server, I've got a little repo of

Re: ICA/LFS-Alpha Status Update

2006-01-04 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Dan Nicholson wrote: Until they finally kick me off their server, I've got a little repo of stuff trying to track my work on this: http://students.washington.edu/dbnichol/lfs/ [snip] For sure take a look at the ChangeLog to see a quick summary. OK, thanks, Dan. This helps a lot. I'll try

Approaching glibc-2.4

2006-01-04 Thread Dan Nicholson
Just in case anyone was interested, it looks like we're getting close to glibc-2.4. http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2006-01/msg00016.html -- Dan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

LiveCD 6.2-pre2 Bug?

2006-01-04 Thread Alan Lord
Hi, forgive me posting to this list but I use gmane and there isn't a group for the LiveCD. Anyway, a little while ago (November?) I reported a problem with the liveCD (I think it was a 6.1-preSomething version) which was that it failed to boot correctly if the CD was in /dev/hdb rather

Re: Also Stuck at glibc-2.3.4 configure error

2006-01-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#cc -v hello.c Reading specs from /tools/lib/gcc/i586-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.3/specs Configured with: ../gcc-3.4.3/configure --prefix=/tools --libexecdir=/tools/lib --with-local-prefix=/tools --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-languages=c,c++

Re: Also Stuck at glibc-2.3.4 configure error

2006-01-04 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 1/4/06, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip support stuff Sorry for the cross posting nonsense. We got off list and I put the wrong address back in. -- Dan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above

Re: Package Management

2006-01-04 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:03:53AM -0500, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Package managers are for wimps! -Archaic :D -- Archaic Want control, education, and security from your operating system? Hardened Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs --

Re: LiveCD 6.2-pre2 Bug?

2006-01-04 Thread Justin R. Knierim
Alan Lord wrote: Anyway, a little while ago (November?) I reported a problem with the liveCD (I think it was a 6.1-preSomething version) which was that it failed to boot correctly if the CD was in /dev/hdb rather than /dev/hda. Basically when the booting script checks for the CD's

Re: ICA/LFS-Alpha Status Update [Was: Re: LFS-Alphabetical ICA/Farce Results]

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Dan, Chris: I see you guys have done a lot of work over the past week. Thank you very much for that. I'm having a little trouble sorting through the hundreds of emails in my Inbox today and pinpointing exactly what changes are ready to go into the alpha branch.

Re: UTF-8 patch updated, please reconsider

2006-01-04 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Tushar Teredesai wrote: In the ncurses instructions, you use the INPUT method to force linking against the widec versions. Wouldn't it be easier to just use symlinks like we do for ncurses? Or is there a particular reason for choosing the INPUT method? If symlinks are used, the ldconfig

Re: Essential Symlinks: Explainations

2006-01-04 Thread Greg Schafer
Tushar Teredesai wrote: It found the libgcc_s in /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../libgcc_s.so. snip Confirmed. Though it did come as a surprise. When I tried the test that you mentioned, it found the glibc libraries in /tools/lib, not in /usr/lib. I checked the command that

Re: Essential Symlinks: Explainations

2006-01-04 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 1/4/06, Greg Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. It's more complicated than that :-/ GCC also has a say in the library search path too. This is why the startfile_prefix_spec hack to GCC makes it (mostly) do the right thing. The directory is passed as a -L flag to the linker by gcc.

2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Jim Gifford
I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. How to get udev hotplugging working. It's not a simple procedure, but I got it to work on a Sparc so it should work for everyone. Any changes or comments are welcomed, but I figured I would share the news. First off, you will need to

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Jim Gifford wrote: I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. Sure. I also have some ideas (mainly about adding some rules for debugging and some text about LibUSB, SANE and GPhoto2). I will express them after dealing with Randy's wish for the UTF-8 LFS book to come with BDB

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/04/06 23:53 CST: I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. How to get udev hotplugging working. As I am obviously naive to what you are talking about, what exactly doesn't work with the LFS implementation of udev hotplugging? I'm not trying

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/04/06 23:53 CST: Third you will need the udev package that the Cross-LFS team developed. Again, what is wrong the the released tarballs? Why do we need to use custom ones? Jim's message was a little confusing here. The tarball

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/04/06 23:53 CST: I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. How to get udev hotplugging working. As I am obviously naive to what you are talking about, what exactly doesn't work with the LFS implementation of udev

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 01/05/06 00:53 CST: Randy McMurchy wrote: Again, what is wrong the the released tarballs? Why do we need to use custom ones? Jim's message was a little confusing here. The tarball consists of new udev *rules*, not a new udev package. Well, now I confused

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 01/05/06 00:57 CST: It's the process of dropping hotplug and replacing it entirely with udev, since hotplug is old and unmaintained - the idea is it provides essentially the same functionality, but 1 fewer package to worry about. What exactly is upstream's

Re: BLFS Expansion

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Bruce Dubbs wrote: Recently there has been a lot of activity in the LFS community. There has been especially important activity in internationalization (i18n) and cross-LFS (CLFS) that has the potential to to expand the horizon of BLFS significantly. We have already started putting some i18n

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Randy McMurchy wrote: Chris Staub wrote these words on 01/05/06 00:57 CST: It's the process of dropping hotplug and replacing it entirely with udev, since hotplug is old and unmaintained - the idea is it provides essentially the same functionality, but 1 fewer package to worry about. What

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 01/05/06 01:21 CST: Um, no, it's the hotplug folks that aren't updating (or, more accurately, hotplug devs no longer seem to exist). The udev devs are still actively maintaining and updating udev. Perhaps, my ignorance is really shining through, but your

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/04/06 23:53 CST: I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. How to get udev hotplugging working. As I am obviously naive to what you are talking about, what exactly doesn't work with the LFS implementation of udev

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Randy McMurchy wrote: Aren't Udev rules just a couple of files? they also call custom scripts via their RUN+=... portions. And new rules have been split into many files, according to their purpose (old-school device naming, persistent Solaris-like device naming that solves non-Ethernet

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Randy McMurchy wrote: Chris Staub wrote these words on 01/05/06 01:21 CST: Um, no, it's the hotplug folks that aren't updating (or, more accurately, hotplug devs no longer seem to exist). The udev devs are still actively maintaining and updating udev. Perhaps, my ignorance is really shining

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Chris Staub
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/04/06 23:53 CST: I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. How to get udev hotplugging working. As I am obviously naive to what you are talking about, what exactly doesn't work with the

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Matthew Burgess
Jim Gifford wrote: I know this is a topic a lot of people are interested in. How to get udev hotplugging working. And I already provided a way of getting this working without a need for the package that the cross-lfs team has provided. This is in the archives for last month, so I'm not

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Chris Staub wrote: And a bug that comes up when you try to use a non-modular kernel. Or is this what you were talking about? :) That's different. What you are talking about is a bug in the script contributed by myself. Counts better as my bug, not upstream bug. -- Alexander E. Patrakov

Re: 2.6.15 Hotplugging/Coldplugging via udev

2006-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 01/05/06 01:39 CST: Because, as I understand it (which I don't very well myself) 2.6.15 is the first kernel that can actually handle hardware hotplugging with udev (and without hotplug) and you can't necessarily expect anyone to get something perfectly