Re: [lfs-support] fatal error: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory

2021-02-08 Thread paul rogers
On Monday, February 8, 2021 2:59:47 AM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 21:49 -0600, paul rogers wrote: > > On Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:54:42 PM CST Paul rogers wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:33:02 PM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > > > &g

Re: [lfs-support] fatal error: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory

2021-02-07 Thread paul rogers
On Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:54:42 PM CST Paul rogers wrote: > On Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:33:02 PM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 13:20 -0600, paul rogers wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:11:09 PM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > > > &g

Re: [lfs-support] fatal error: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory

2021-02-07 Thread paul rogers
On Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:33:02 PM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 13:20 -0600, paul rogers wrote: > > On Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:11:09 PM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > > > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 11:26 -0600, paul rogers wrote: > > > > On Su

Re: [lfs-support] fatal error: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory

2021-02-07 Thread paul rogers
On Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:11:09 PM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 11:26 -0600, paul rogers wrote: > > On Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:26:29 AM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > > > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 01:18 -0600, p...@kemascraft.com wrote: > > > &g

Re: [lfs-support] fatal error: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory

2021-02-07 Thread paul rogers
On Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:26:29 AM CST Pierre Labastie wrote: > On Sun, 2021-02-07 at 01:18 -0600, p...@kemascraft.com wrote: > > I'm working through the LFS 10.0 book. I got the error: " fatal > > error: bits/c+ > > +config.h: No such file or directory". The file exist. I'm at > > 8.6.1. Insta

Re: [lfs-support] Important software missing from LFS Basic System

2019-10-25 Thread Paul Rogers
> On 10/24/19 4:54 PM, Paul Rogers wrote: > >> Is there any reason LFS does not include WGET? > > I think so. wget is just the tip of an iceberg. I do/would not let ANY > > (B)LFS system have any network connection until it was suitably prepared, > > "armo

Re: [lfs-support] Important software missing from LFS Basic System

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Rogers
with everything I need. Everything is stand-alone until I have about 20 packages installed. Generally far beyond. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)

Re: [lfs-support] boot partition advice

2019-10-21 Thread Paul Rogers
It's easier for me, because virtually all O run is my own LFS, but knowing which partition controls GRUB is never a problem. I append "(I own GRUB)" to the title of that partition's stanza in grub.cfg. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-14 Thread Paul Rogers
e it. It's up to you to get yourself to the top. I've helped quite enough. BTW, you've seen my Second Law in my tagline. My Third Law is: There is no such thing as teaching--there is only learning. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everyt

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-14 Thread Paul Rogers
tir like mad, cooking each dish in just a minute or so. When I have to go back and startover, which STILL can happen, it's *WAY* faster than cut and paste, and provides perfect documentation how the system was built--both great advantages! If you "like" Mint for building LFS,

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-12 Thread Paul Rogers
20 years between the system you want to build and what it is built on. Many, many things have changed. I don't see the benefit of trying. The experiences might not be as parallel as you think. The amount of work certainly doubles. p.s. Can you be more parsimonious about what you quote a

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-11 Thread Paul Rogers
are explicit and implicit dependencies. Interchangable parts is not a part of Linux systems, except in limited circumstances. Branching out on your own is called "Dependency Hell" for good reason. FBBG! You've been told this several times. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-10 Thread Paul Rogers
per 1024 bytes.. > > I hope that this is about what You would be OK with for checking out > the Hard Drive.. Maybe. You used "mke2fs -c ..."? A "normal" mke2fs doesn't do a surface scan, and since that drive may be bad, you need every sector checked. &

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Rogers
T format it with ext4!, just ext2. You're making a 20 year-old system!!! Forget EVERYTHING that has happened since then. You're going to be using a 2.6 kernel, for crying out loud! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates.&qu

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-08 Thread Paul Rogers
Download an image of Knoppix-5.0.2 and burn it to a CD, then boot that to a shell on that K6. Then you'll have a shell to can test that drive with under Linux. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not pe

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-08 Thread Paul Rogers
to a contemporaneous CDR. > ... > P.S., I was partially wrong in what I said, Mint first loads itself > into Memory, probably a small version of the whole thing.. How much does it load into memory? Does it let you have a shell? > > Is there any way to Load up a later Mint and u

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-07 Thread Paul Rogers
as telling me what is going on at the time it fails, e.g. runing some particular program, what made you decide it was "stuck". "Stuck" isn't an operative word. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-05 Thread Paul Rogers
you fixed it! If you don't, it's not going to disappear, and sooner or later it'll come back and bite you in the butt at the worst time! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-02 Thread Paul Rogers
ld Ptolemy, "There is no royal road to geometry." Learn by doing. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.or

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-10-01 Thread Paul Rogers
nd you're really better off making sure the BIOS sees what it knows how to handle, i.e. with a CD drive in it. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-09-30 Thread Paul Rogers
#x27;d examine all the large caps and look for bulging tops. What's the CPU and chipset? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linu

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-09-29 Thread Paul Rogers
6) Fire-up the 586 and keep a keyboard key pressed during post. If it's an AMI BIOS, there'll be an id string in the lower left corner. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-09-29 Thread Paul Rogers
rt over. 3) FBBG! Build the packages in the book. Don't get creative. 4) What identifications are in the board's silkscreen? It may be good to know what it really is, especially if it's an off-brand. I may be able to come up with an id. p.s. I still have my IMSAI! -- Pa

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-09-28 Thread Paul Rogers
ad > the Book OR do I need to copy it to a USB Stick and copy and Paste that > to the 586 ?? How? Does your 586 support USB? Which version, if any? Do you have a USB version 1 stick? I think you should be spending your time reading about the history of the 586 era! Doesn

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-09-28 Thread Paul Rogers
been found in the kernel and other FOSS since, e.g. ShellShock, HeartBleed, and Ghost.) You'll be making a 20 year-old system on 20 year-old hardware, about equivalent to driving a horse and buggy on an Interstate Highway in a war zone! But don't let that stop you. -- Paul Rogers

Re: [lfs-support] Gcc Compiling Problem in 32 bit

2019-09-26 Thread Paul Rogers
b! Firefox, 10hrs more or less, will have to be v2.0.0.16 at best, and it won't be able to handle modern websites, but you knew that. But when you're done it will run. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communi

Re: [lfs-support] Moving working LFS to a different computer

2019-04-30 Thread Paul Rogers
;ve tried them a few times, all on my desktops, and missed CTL-SHIFT-+ much more than any supposed advantage, so now just use VESA drivers. > I just turned 50 and have learned what I know by hacking and poking at > things - but I’ve clearly missed some fundamental material. I would >

Re: [lfs-support] Moving working LFS to a different computer

2019-04-29 Thread Paul Rogers
t; breaking and fixing things is my definition of "fun". NOOoo! You don't break and fix things until you've got it working. > important question is: when I get this version booting and running, do I > get to be Counted a second time? :-) Also NO. -- Paul Rogers

Re: [lfs-support] Moving working LFS to a different computer

2019-04-28 Thread Paul Rogers
boot on anything and everything". Chances are that would be a lot more difficult on the day you might need it, than it is now! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions

Re: [lfs-support] Giving up on LFS

2019-03-10 Thread Paul Rogers
I was at the right time to have recapitulated essentially the whole history of computing from 1st generation on up, either professionally or personally. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally

Re: [lfs-support] gcc not found, beginning of ch6, LFS-8.3

2019-01-18 Thread Paul Rogers
ke subshell and the exit $PIPESTATUS sets the return code if any part of the pipe produces a return code, not just the last, i.e. the make, which is what we want. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not p

Re: [lfs-support] gcc not found, beginning of ch6, LFS-8.3

2019-01-17 Thread Paul Rogers
something does error out, the script will stop and you'll have a file of the console log to dissect. PIPESTATUS isn't very well known but works a charm in this application. I've been doing this for 15 years. ;-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second L

Re: [lfs-support] VGA resolution

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Rogers
K because I don't much care for non-VESA, but it does depend on frame buffers, boot parameters, which can include kernel mode setting and vga= or video=, and just which driver is in control. IME it takes a bit of fiddling to get it, and after you've seen it once or twice, who cares? --

Re: [lfs-support] What the heck do I have to do to get this to JUST WORK?!?!

2018-12-28 Thread Paul Rogers
ven. I weasel-word that because I _ALWAYS_ "tee" a log file off of every CMMI and that's not in the book (yet). I consider going back to the beginning, wiping it all away, and starting over from scratch, once, to be expected. Twice, just an annoyance. And my first build

Re: [lfs-support] LFS Stable and gawk

2018-12-19 Thread Paul Rogers
ing your package management of choice. And that includes a script "startover". ;-) They give you an excellent point of departure for your next version. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse

Re: [lfs-support] Minimum Hardware configuration for a Custom PC

2018-12-07 Thread Paul Rogers
package I question, or compare the original binaries to what's there now. When I clone an as-built system I have the option of not loading all that stuff, but with the size of drives in the last several years I haven't needed to except for testing to make sure that optio

Re: [lfs-support] build TAR fails miserably

2018-11-26 Thread Paul Rogers
-solution. Break away from beating your head against the wall here--it's an impediment to the solution. Do something nice for a while, until you can come back to this with a fresher perspective. It's rarely a waste of time. "Sleep on it" if possible. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@

Re: [lfs-support] Boot freezes

2018-09-28 Thread Paul Rogers
Re: the entropy issue - It's always a good idea to "dd" the host's random number seed to a new system to start off with. Storage locations may vary. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not per

Re: [lfs-support] Adjusting tool chain.

2018-09-13 Thread Paul Rogers
f." (Mickey Mantle) And watch for side effects of all meds! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo

Re: [lfs-support] Adjusting tool chain

2018-09-13 Thread Paul Rogers
quot; now. Got an idea I'm using the wrong host system for the set of --TARGETs I'm using & used in the past. Yes, I do have an old 586 system on this i7! I think I should fix the targets. Thanks! Sometimes it helps to have someone to talk one out of confusion. TTYL. --

Re: [lfs-support] Adjusting tool chain.

2018-09-12 Thread Paul Rogers
> but those are both "antique" and who knows if any of it is still > relevant (apart, obviously, from setting -march). I have -CTARGET set in all the configures already. > ĸen Thanks, again. I suppose I'll wait a couple days for the meds to certainly have worn off.

[lfs-support] Adjusting tool chain.

2018-09-11 Thread Paul Rogers
at the end of Ch5 this time. Any idea what I could've done wrong, or whether it IS safe to proceed? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- h

[lfs-support] Terms of Intel's EULA for Spectre patches

2018-08-23 Thread Paul Rogers
License Restictions: "... or (v) publish or provide any Software benchmark or comparison test results." -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this lin

[lfs-support] Meltdown mitigation in 32-bit kernel-4.4 LTS

2018-08-10 Thread Paul Rogers
find. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html U

Re: [lfs-support] Running the mpfr-4.0.1 Tests

2018-08-06 Thread Paul Rogers
ne that, as have we all, but it's a waste of time. You'll be miles ahead by blowing it all away, restoring just the /tools backup, if you got it all and at the right place, and starting Ch6 from scratch. This time you might consider putting all the book's instructions for each package in

Re: [lfs-support] reset video hardware settings

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Rogers
> Is it possible to force-set the video mode after boot? Is this a > separate package with some CLI or is this not possible at all? Depending on the driver you're using, it may be trivial. You can set it by a kernel boot parameter in the GRUB stanza, e.g. video=1024x768 or whatever

Re: [lfs-support] compile 4.17.7 32 bit

2018-07-22 Thread Paul Rogers
ouble with getting a newer i3 is the infrastructure incompatibility. There's no failure short of a direct lightning strike that would take me down for more than a few minutes. Thanks, Ken. I'll start prowling kernel versions again. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers'

Re: [lfs-support] compile 4.17.7 32 bit

2018-07-20 Thread Paul Rogers
I've been hoping for KPTI mitigation for 32-bit kernels, but mostly have lost hope. So to be clear, are we talking here about running 4.17 in 32-bit mode, or just on a Core-2 Duo, which LFS would build in 64-bit mode "unless steps were taken" (gmp, et al)? -- Paul Rogers pa

Re: [lfs-support] Booting LFS with systemd

2018-06-27 Thread Paul Rogers
modules need to be available to the system at all times, and 3) rebuilding the kernel isn't fearsome for us, I've never seen ANY need for an initramfs and build what's necessary as a monolithic kernel. If that's true, even with systemd, why is there any need to build an initram

[lfs-support] 70-persistent-net-rules

2018-06-18 Thread Paul Rogers
that calls init-net-rules. The book doesn't say so, but from a cursory look at the code it seems as if ". /lib/udev/init-net-rules INTERFACE_NAME=eth0" (or the inverse) might work. Is that right? (It says it's an LFS script, so someobdy here should know.) -- Paul Roger

Re: [lfs-support] Rather a lot of glibc check errors

2018-06-14 Thread Paul Rogers
working on a processor that runs at less than 10W, and the mini-ITX infrastructure makes a nice small system. It was a bit of a "heavy lift" for the processor, so I typically go back to 7.2. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communic

Re: [lfs-support] Requesting to include about Package-management in lfs

2018-06-08 Thread Paul Rogers
ht there next to it. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/pio-files/ -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscrat

Re: [lfs-support] Requesting to include about Package-management in lfs

2018-06-07 Thread Paul Rogers
linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/pio-hint.txt -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support F

Re: [lfs-support] Requesting to include about Package-management in lfs bookRe: lfs-support Digest, Vol 939, Issue 1

2018-06-07 Thread Paul Rogers
I See the Hints page about using "pio", "Package Installation Observer" (formerly known as "git", but that name got usurped). I've been using it with (B)LFS installs for almost 15 years now, and find it fits in very well, YMMV. -- Paul Rogers paulgro

Re: [lfs-support] libffi problems

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Rogers
-2 Duo. > > List, I didn't realise that the same problem was already discussed on > this mailing list. Yes, thing can get rather "buried". The book/site doesn't seem to use the errata much. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law:

Re: [lfs-support] Stuck at step 5.11 (Tcl-core-8.6.8) from lfs-8.2

2018-05-20 Thread Paul Rogers
>> > >> Just my 2c's worth > >> da kiwi > > > > When I last looked at Pale moon (last year), I was under the > > impression that it needed a much older version of gcc than we were > > then using ? I looked at it within the last couple months bu

Re: [lfs-support] Stuck at step 5.11 (Tcl-core-8.6.8) from lfs-8.2

2018-05-19 Thread Paul Rogers
se those old systems > when I've managed to trash the current one and need to recover from > backups. So I have successfully updated both 8.2 and 8.1 systems. > > ĸen My approach is to keep a couple bootable versions on each box, but I suspect my versions are a bit more stable than

Re: [lfs-support] Stuck at step 5.11 (Tcl-core-8.6.8) from lfs-8.2

2018-05-18 Thread Paul Rogers
;ve got it all thought out, if you know what I mean. Sometimes it can be a good thing when one can't just "brute force it" and has to do it with some finesse. I'll do building on an old 12GB i7-940, so's I can use -j8. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers&#

Re: [lfs-support] Stuck at step 5.11 (Tcl-core-8.6.8) from lfs-8.2

2018-05-17 Thread Paul Rogers
e right. I was trying to address the more general proposition of adding optimizations when building. IMO, it's generally not a good idea. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any add

Re: [lfs-support] Stuck at step 5.11 (Tcl-core-8.6.8) from lfs-8.2

2018-05-16 Thread Paul Rogers
ed how and where is not worth the generally minor speed benefits. I never add optimization options when building LFS unless the instructions say to. If the programmer knows it's OK and adds it to the makefile parameters, fine. I don't presume to know better, that it would work when (s)h

Re: [lfs-support] making xz-5.2.3

2018-05-06 Thread Paul Rogers
y error, but still with -mtune in CFLAGS, and it ran without a hitch. Fine, I'll take it. I don't know where that odd line came from, but I don't even know if I can reproduce it. I'll go on from here, see what happens, if anything. Apologies for interrupting your weeken

[lfs-support] making xz-5.2.3

2018-05-06 Thread Paul Rogers
to try compiling without -mtune, the one known difference, and later recompile xz on something like a P4 or Conroe?) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.10 libreadline.so.6 not found error - when running make in 6.40 Perl-5.24.0

2018-04-09 Thread Paul Rogers
environment at each snapshot you may or may not have been. That's not the job any of us are volunteering for. I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but none of us are going to analyze what you're telling us you did, and showing us in bits and pieces, and tell you w

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.10 - libreadline.so.6 not found error - when running make in 6.40 Perl-5.24.0

2018-04-08 Thread Paul Rogers
parted from the book's path--and that's why I used the word "forensic" above. No deviations are allowed. And yes, from time to time I've had problems there myself. - I start all my build scripts "#!/bin/bash -e" so they "drop out" on errors. Of

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.10 toolchain problem

2018-04-08 Thread Paul Rogers
LFS-7.7 as host. Let me take a look at the archives, I haven't been following this thread until this caught my eye. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this

[lfs-support] Intel axes viable, older CPU patches

2018-04-04 Thread Paul Rogers
Some first-gen Core CPUs also get the axe, including the Intel Core i7-970, 980, 980X, and 990X." -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://

Re: [lfs-support] expect5.45.4 compile error in Chapter 5, missing files from glibc suspected, um, no

2018-03-19 Thread Paul Rogers
gt; Oh well, I'll probably reboot to bare metal, or just start living inside > VirtualBox, but nailing this issue would be educational. I agree not to let it go. But if you're virtualized you should have kept "squeaky-clean" initial install systems, and have an easy time of

Re: [lfs-support] Host system requiremens

2018-03-13 Thread Paul Rogers
And although I do recognize there may come a time to break backward compatibility, I still wish they'd provide a P2->P3 translator. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additio

Re: [lfs-support] Partial explanation for a test fail in sudo

2018-03-05 Thread Paul Rogers
m I protecting it from? I use root. One must be just as careful when using sudo anyway. Have I screwed up? Once or twice since I built my first LFS in 2004, but that's what backups are for. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do commun

Re: [lfs-support] A speedup with 4.14 and later kernels (againstMeltdown)

2018-02-16 Thread Paul Rogers
.4.115 & 4.9.81. I searched the Changelogs for "kpti" and "32.b" but found nothing to suggest they have mitigations for 32-bit kernels. Nor 64-bit for that matter. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communic

Re: [lfs-support] Full retpoline mitigation on older systems

2018-02-02 Thread Paul Rogers
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Paul Rogers wrote: ... > installed this system with the original kernel on a 1 MHz low-power > (~10W) VIA C7 "Esther" (P3 equivalent) system, but while compatible the > CPU can be painfully slow. Not today, Esther. I worked on my > &

Re: [lfs-support] Full retpoline mitigation on older systems

2018-02-02 Thread Paul Rogers
't made its way into 4.4 i686 kernels yet. No use building Spectre mitigation if Meltdown is wide open, so I bailed out at that point. I'm still hoping for Meltdown patches! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates.&quo

Re: [lfs-support] Full retpoline mitigation on older systems

2018-02-01 Thread Paul Rogers
ations yet that the 4.4 & 4.9 kernel patches install PTI on i686 builds. Also, perhaps you can clarify: The latest kernel patches for 4.4 & 4.9 use retpoline. Clearly we *want* both, but I'm confused about whether each offers any mitigation on its own? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog..

[lfs-support] Reasonably informative thread(s) on LKML

2018-01-27 Thread Paul Rogers
end of the matter"): https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/22/598 This is an older (1/4) thread about IBRS/IBPB microcode patches that has a rather extensive chain: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/4/615 Responses to that "garbage": https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/21/194 Newer (1/20) long-

Re: [lfs-support] GCC retpoline

2018-01-25 Thread Paul Rogers
n the list an > extremely helpful and informative supplement to the LFS-build process. Indeed, the more of us looking for the best advice to share, the better for us all. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."

Re: [lfs-support] GCC retpoline

2018-01-23 Thread Paul Rogers
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Paul Rogers wrote: > > "SUSE's Richard Biener is making preparations for officially releasing GCC > > 7.3.0 on Thursday, 25 January. > > > > GCC 7.3 is the point release to GCC 7 that's quick

[lfs-support] GCC retpoline

2018-01-23 Thread Paul Rogers
y Anybody know of fixes backported to gcc-6? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http:/

Re: [lfs-support] ArsTechnica: Meltdown and Spectre: Good news for AMD

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Rogers
o affected, but my SB didn't get newer > firmware. > > ĸen The initial reports suggest even my Conroes and Nehalem-Bloomfield/Lynnfield are! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

[lfs-support] ArsTechnica: Meltdown and Spectre: Good news for AMD users, (more) bad news for Intel

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Rogers
"Windows patches are fixed, but microcode updates are causing even more trouble." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/good-newsbad-news-in-quest-to-get-meltdown-and-spectre-patched/ -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do comm

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-15 Thread Paul Rogers
> Paul Rogers wrote: > >> Well, except if the kernel breaks something, just remove the file and > >> grub entry and then reboot. If a BIOS/UEFI update causes an issue, you > >> get the pleasure of finding out whether there is a supported downgrade > >> path.

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-14 Thread Paul Rogers
> Well, except if the kernel breaks something, just remove the file and > grub entry and then reboot. If a BIOS/UEFI update causes an issue, you > get the pleasure of finding out whether there is a supported downgrade > path. :-) IF your system hasn't been "bricked"

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-14 Thread Paul Rogers
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Paul Rogers wrote: > > > Updating microcode can be a dangerous thing. I've never found a need > > to live on the bleeding edge of technology. > > I agree about bleeding edge issues, but leading edge is OK. M

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-13 Thread Paul Rogers
tes *do* mitigate Spectre. Intel has withdrawn some of the updates because they caused new problems. Updating microcode can be a dangerous thing. I've never found a need to live on the bleeding edge of technology. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "E

[lfs-support] Intel's firmware causing higher system reboots on Broadwell and Haswell CPUs.

2018-01-13 Thread Paul Rogers
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-security-issue-update-addressing-reboot-issues/ -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linux

Re: [lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Rogers
in is expected to soon build a customized kernel, eliminating a lot of HD drivers, adding NIC, ALSA, AGP/FB/DRI--none of which are *necessary* to boot. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

[lfs-support] Intel microcode updates adding confusion?

2018-01-12 Thread Paul Rogers
#x27;t know what to make of all this. Making sense of Intel's file names as relates to particular hardware is also obscure to me. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions aft

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-11 Thread Paul Rogers
ax is only 2GB, IIRC. IMO, running a 64-bit OS is a plus only if it has more than 4GB to play with. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-10 Thread Paul Rogers
ly fashion is very much more so. What kind of important jobs? How about all the infrastructure we all depend upon? Like having potable water coming out of the tap? > said he *thought* the problem started with the Westmere generation. So the guys who found it and said it affected everyt

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-09 Thread Paul Rogers
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 04:14:50PM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote: > > I've just patched one of my older Core2 "Conroe", LFS-7.7, up to 4.4.110. > > It's an i686 system. > > > > Any ideas? TIA. > > > > Looking at my lkml mailbox, patch

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-08 Thread Paul Rogers
NC_RAID6_RECOV=y CONFIG_CRYPTO=y # # Crypto core or helper # > > The ext3 filesystem is still available in 4.14. > > I read it wasn't: > "KernelNewbies: 4.3 Apparently that source was wrong. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: &qu

[lfs-support] Status report from Greg Kroah-Hartman

2018-01-07 Thread Paul Rogers
http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2018/01/06/meltdown-status/ -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-su

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-07 Thread Paul Rogers
esystem and leaves Ext4, which can also mount Ext3 filesystems, as the main Ext filesystem; " -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfr

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-06 Thread Paul Rogers
ility issues also. Had that once with inode sizes, and didn't need the delay! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscrat

Re: [lfs-support] Page Table Isolation

2018-01-05 Thread Paul Rogers
or patches to solidify. There are significant infrastructure issues all around. Not to mention (Windows & Linux) "kernel" support for all the systems in commercial service in hospitals, grocery stores, and offices that will never be updated. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers&#

Re: [lfs-support] Internet in chroot

2017-10-25 Thread Paul Rogers
ght I was being clear when I said "it's not worth doing" that I was expressing a personal value judgement. > > ĸen > > 1. I think it was tglx (a kernel maintainer) who first used that > phrase, I like it. New to me. But I fear google is more than a numb

Re: [lfs-support] Internet in chroot & do not want doing lfs forbootable

2017-10-24 Thread Paul Rogers
cific kernel will be built for that box in its intended purpose configuration. I don't think I've ever deleted those first two kernels on any cloned box--fallbacks. WFM. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do n

Re: [lfs-support] do not want doing lfs for bootable

2017-10-23 Thread Paul Rogers
LFS system just fine. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/

Re: [lfs-support] what doing after error ch5.17.

2017-10-13 Thread Paul Rogers
's irrelevant, from Ch5 is appropriate. Don't tell someone, "Don't do what I'm going to tell you all through this chapter," and proceed to tell them how to do what they're not supposed to do, and be surprixed when they continue to do it. --

Re: [lfs-support] Copied system refuses to compile

2017-09-28 Thread Paul Rogers
oremost among the stumbling blocks, especially where gcc is involved, but there are others, e.g. I'm not sure how to tell Clang to cross-compile, audio-video drivers, MPEG decoders, etc. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communica

Re: [lfs-support] Console adjustment

2017-09-23 Thread Paul Rogers
> > > > Maybe change the video mode on the kernel command line if using KMS. > > Append something like video=1024x768-24@60m, for instance, to the > > grub.conf. The first four values and separators should be obvious, the m > > adds margins. See Documentation/fb/modedb.txt for complete document

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