Re: [lfs-support] gcc 4.9.0 - update 2

2014-05-07 Thread Paul Rogers
quot; > I'm not a big fan of updating my everyday system just because new stuff > comes out. I need a reason. Before it did update in 2012, my system > dated back to late 2005. That said, not being in "LFS development", I build systems to USE them. "If it ain't

[lfs-support] PATA-SATA puzzlement

2014-08-23 Thread Paul Rogers
. It does report the drive on PATA port, but I realize those PATA ports weren't intended to be full system drives. Something strange in the way chipsets/BIOS' handle them? I'd expect the Linux kernel to find it. Is there something unusual (that "Ibex" has),

Re: [lfs-support] PATA-SATA puzzlement

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Rogers
void initrd!) Now it all pretty much makes sense. But I guess I'll have to imbed the most popular supporting PATA controller chips so I've got a decent chance of coming up with the newer ICH's. Or not. Probably won't be trying to use these PATA ports that often. -- Paul Roger

[lfs-support] LFS-7.2 Stage2 gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-18 Thread Paul Rogers
do # make make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gcc-build/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libitm' make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gcc-build/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libitm' make[1]: Target `check-target' not remade because of errors. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gcc-bu

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2 Stage2 gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-19 Thread Paul Rogers
of time to do it all. I also like it when there's time for issues to turn up in the mailing list. I found nothing remotely similar to my problem, so it's probably me, but I can't find anything suggestive. I HAVE looked. Thanks for your attention. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog..

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2 Stage2 gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-21 Thread Paul Rogers
gcc tests are complex, I can't find the "smoking gun" even though I've continued to look. So I guess I can wipe and start over in Ch6, after another pass through my C&P scripts. Perhaps there was some contamination... Do you think I need to build the Ch5 Stage1 package

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-22 Thread Paul Rogers
et `check' not remade because of errors. ---8<... Seems to me the ABI check is rather important. (First time through I did try installing anyway, but then building e2fsprogs died in a mysterious way, so I backed-up to rebuilding GCC.) I think I need to to find a fix for this.

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-22 Thread Paul Rogers
uot;died in a mysterious way" is not a useful error report. The way it failed made me suspect the compiler. I need a reliable compiler before wasting time with e2fsprogs. The question is why the ABI check is failing. I've seen that libgomp can make abi_check fail, but we don'

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-22 Thread Paul Rogers
from 6.1 about CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS, so those are specifically unset when building binutils/glibc/gcc. I looked, but 7.2 doesn't have the same admonitions. Are they still an issue? Can they be contaminating my build now? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-23 Thread Paul Rogers
uot;Shellshock" bugs (up to patch 53) if anybody's interested. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- htt

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-23 Thread Paul Rogers
27;s and above. I've still got useful Pentium-3's! I've learned a whole lot from LFS in the last decade, thanks to you all, but I've gotten old (70) and I'm not as sharp as I was. I know that. 8'-( It's hard! It comes to us all, but that's no conso

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.6 -- glibc-2.20 Chapter 6 -- make check -- help with failures

2014-11-23 Thread Paul Rogers
x27;t seen the book, so forgive me if this is naive, but that sounds like it could be a toolchain adjustment problem, doesn't it? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personal

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-23 Thread Paul Rogers
t the compressors & encrypters would use the most advanced enhanced instructions they can find, unless told not to.) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any add

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-24 Thread Paul Rogers
cal is kind of "free game". All I keep in /usr/src is the kernel. > Compare that to many audio/video packages which do go out of their way > to get the most out of the processor. Never have been comfortable with Flash--it's one of those Attack Surfaces! > For

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-25 Thread Paul Rogers
due to a tangle-up from an earlier-reported > one from same make-k run: how difficult is it to differentiate between > such errors and other (separate/standalone) types of error in the same > output, often depends inter alia on how well you know the code. Yes, so after the first -k run, w

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-26 Thread Paul Rogers
. There's no real good fix, restoring the owning package is PROBABLY the answer, but not without checking!) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 20141104-systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Rogers
;s more complex to setup and manage, do I really care? Yes. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-)

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Rogers
t is compatible with any i686. I thought the toolchain would, but that's wrong. Is there any preferred method for LFS? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1 test failures

2014-11-30 Thread Paul Rogers
nks Pierre, I hadn't run into one myself. I'd like one method that can be consistent, and not create its own confusions. I still have to get a good make on gcc shortly! ;-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 20141104-systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Paul Rogers
> On 11/30/2014 10:14 PM, Dr.-Ing. Edgar Alwers wrote: > > On Saturday 29 November 2014 21:21:50 Paul Rogers wrote: > > > >> > I'm inclined to give up on systemd ( I don't want, like or need > >> > more complexity) For the record, nothing of wha

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2, Ch6.17, gcc-4.7.1, "take two"

2014-12-01 Thread Paul Rogers
nux-gnu/4.7.1/include-fixed /usr/include", what I got is: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.7.1/include /usr/local/include /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.7.1/include-fixed /usr/include Does this need to be fixed? (Hopefully in some way so it wouldn't happen again.) -- Paul Rogers pa

[lfs-support] "Waking up in a different bed"

2014-12-02 Thread Paul Rogers
Yes? Anything else? (It can keep it's "identity" in /etc, for the most part.) (I ran through Ch6 last evening with no real problems, now I'm studying Ch7 before charging in. That's what brought this question up.) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers'

Re: [lfs-support] lfs-support Digest, Vol 183, Issue 1

2014-12-02 Thread Paul Rogers
r LCD i686. > And I do not think this is worth scripting, I only do it very > occasionally But when one gets to a certain vintage one tends to forget details. 8-( -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally

[lfs-support] LFS-7.2 "smoke tests"

2014-12-03 Thread Paul Rogers
t;rc" scripts, and used them in 6.1 & 6.6! ;-0 ) Honest, I haven't touched these LFS bootscripts! When I get the RO failure the system locks up too. It says press Enter or ^D, but nothing happens--gotta hit the reset button. Known problem? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Ro

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2 "smoke tests"

2014-12-04 Thread Paul Rogers
ited out some of the stuff not needed for an initial boot kernel, e.g. sound, added some stuff I figured might be, e.g. USB thumb-drives, I'll be able to verify & snoop this evening. (TV's doing a "pledge break". ;-) ) But I just got a replacement CPU for the box that was t

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2 "smoke tests"

2014-12-04 Thread Paul Rogers
them! One reason I've never cottoned onto the Debian style systems! What the hell good are they? I DON'T CARE how long each step takes! Useless space wasters! One way or another they are going away! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you d

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2 "smoke tests"

2014-12-04 Thread Paul Rogers
# mv /etc/rc.d/rcS.d /etc/rc.d/rcsysinit.d No smoke! Boot and shutdown. Oh joy! ;-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.f

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.2 "smoke tests"

2014-12-05 Thread Paul Rogers
logies 8'-( , you are correct. I overlooked Chapter 7.7. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - mmm... Fastmail.

[lfs-support] Marching from LFS-7.2 through BLFS

2014-12-13 Thread Paul Rogers
a recommendable level of the kernel that I can transparently patch up to, that would represent a compatible "sweet spot" of some sort? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions

Re: [lfs-support] Marching from LFS-7.2 through BLFS

2014-12-13 Thread Paul Rogers
Sorry, Ken, I got a version of the BLFS book that was contemporaneous with LFS-7.2, "Version 2012-11-02". It always seems to say: "This package is known to build and work properly using an LFS-7.2 platform." 8-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Secon

Re: [lfs-support] Marching from LFS-7.2 through BLFS

2014-12-13 Thread Paul Rogers
ce". So you recommend 3.14? That gives me a goal. Thanks for your advice! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www

[lfs-support] OpenSSL or GNUTLS

2014-12-16 Thread Paul Rogers
;t install the book's 1.0.1c, already got "j", but do you have particular opinions about which is best? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-

Re: [lfs-support] OpenSSL or GNUTLS

2014-12-17 Thread Paul Rogers
e maximally-hardened API. But I guess I'll have to install all three, against future application. This is a three-link chain, and the weakest one compromises the whole system. Major bummer! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicat

[lfs-support] General query on init

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Rogers
do with rcS.d. My question is about the rationale for introducing that possible confusion. Why was that a good thing? Is init(8) just so out of date it's wrong? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not perso

Re: [lfs-support] General query on init

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Rogers
es there at > all and we never update it in BLFS. 'init S' just does the same as > 'init 1' Yes, I understand that it works. My question though was _why_ LFS chose rcS.d, inviting that confusion, when rcsysinit.d always worked just fine. Is there some future requi

Re: [lfs-support] General query on init

2014-12-24 Thread Paul Rogers
daemon so they can check later whether there is one to be stopped, or not. When they are called on to stop a daemon, they can safely assume that they started it. 'Entering runlevel N, I start the daemon. Leaving runlevel N, I stop it.'" If you don't think my use of rc1

[lfs-support] Kernel choices

2015-01-04 Thread Paul Rogers
at the kernel config itself presents in its "Help"? A site the kernel team keep current for each kernel release, hopefully. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

Re: [lfs-support] Kernel choices

2015-01-04 Thread Paul Rogers
ary, but takes a long time to go through >everything. Indeed, and even so, it's not clear what they "mean", what the implications are. Particularly so for new options. I don't have time to follow all the kernel lists about things that seem to be irrelevant to my "

Re: [lfs-support] Kernel choices

2015-01-04 Thread Paul Rogers
rse, and thank you for what you've given me this morning. The explorations noted in the previous paragraph may take me some time. ;-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions aft

Re: [lfs-support] Kernel choices

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Rogers
y installed on new systems here, my goal is something that will boot on whatever i686 PC gets thrown at it, with customization to come later. It probably needs ISA support(!) for example. ;-) It showed me I don't need Control Groups. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law:

Re: [lfs-support] Kernel choices

2015-01-07 Thread Paul Rogers
know if they're actually hitting the HD. Is this normal behavior? I haven't seen that before. I'm wondering if this becomes a "wear and tear" item for the drive, and especially if it's on USB flash drives? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second

[lfs-support] /etc/udev.conf

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Rogers
ave no evidence that udevd is even looking at the file! Is there something special we need to do to enable it in udev-188? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TAN

[lfs-support] Oops.

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Rogers
I just read the North Korean "Red Star" Linux has world-writable udev rules AND rcsysinit. Perhaps not quite ready to be world-wide hackers? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

[lfs-support] Das blinken lights

2015-01-13 Thread Paul Rogers
somewhere in the 3.10 patch chain, and that's also quiet. I'm going with that for the time being. I need to get on with BLFS. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions a

Re: [lfs-support] Das blinken lights

2015-01-14 Thread Paul Rogers
ur system is working better, you could try testing 3.10.0, and > then using git to eith bisect between 3.9 and 3.10 (linus' tree) > or between 3.10 and 3.10.62 (stable tree). Dunno, maybe I'll just finish this and go for LFS-7.6. Probably a year from now... ;-) -- Paul Rogers

[lfs-support] Networking

2015-01-16 Thread Paul Rogers
In network configuration and ifup, what are "INTERFACE_COMPONENTS"? I can't find that documented in the book, or BLFS. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additi

Re: [lfs-support] Networking

2015-01-16 Thread Paul Rogers
CES="eth0" # Add to IFACE, space separated devices IP_FORWARD=true EOF Thanks. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TA

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.6 Chapter 5 binutils pass2 configure error

2015-01-23 Thread Paul Rogers
to go serial and just wait for it with gcc, glibc, binutils, a few of these big things that have to be done right. A clean build is worth the wait, when there are other things I could do (laundry, fixing tea, etc.) while it cranks. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second L

[lfs-support] Tricking ifup security flaw

2015-01-23 Thread Paul Rogers
hen ifup would have the actual script's path and parameters internally. "Ease of use" has opened up many holes. This looks like one. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any

Re: [lfs-support] Tricking ifup security flaw

2015-01-24 Thread Paul Rogers
accept the responsibility for changing it if I add a new service. > > internally. "Ease of use" has opened up many holes. This looks > > like one. > > Your concerns seem to be about situations where a hacker already > has root. Not at all. The fact remains, what

Re: [lfs-support] Tricking ifup security flaw

2015-01-28 Thread Paul Rogers
s really hard to get people these days to appreciate these machines. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - Does

Re: [lfs-support] Ghost

2015-01-29 Thread Paul Rogers
I want to keep around, including this 6.6 I'm using now. Their analysis suggests this isn't as severe as Heartbleed or Shellshock, and exim is the fallguy they identify. I'll also update exim. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you

Re: [lfs-support] Ghost

2015-01-29 Thread Paul Rogers
en't so old my native language was FORTRAN instead of the more modern C, I might make more sense of the large block of code that's being deleted near the end which isn't mentioned in the Qualys analysis, but I'll take Gentoo's word for it. Seems like it's fixable on my

[lfs-support] Mesa/GLU

2015-02-01 Thread Paul Rogers
In both BLFS-7.2 & 7.4 installing GLU is under the Mesa section, with typical instructions for installation, but it isn't clear where it's to be extracted to, the Mesa directory or one of it's own? In 7.6 it's got its own section. Am I to presume that applies to 7.2 &am

[lfs-support] Automounting USB & CD drives

2015-02-07 Thread Paul Rogers
x27;t recall seeing such configuration in the LFS book, and frankly, I find the udev rules arcane and daunting. Can you point me to something understandable that will do the job? I have tried Google once or twice, but didn't find an "Aha!" moment. TIA. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fast

Re: [lfs-support] Automounting USB & CD drives

2015-02-08 Thread Paul Rogers
e in more detail. I don't want to have to make a new rule for every stick I plug in, of course--got about a dozen. Maybe they can be generalized. I have gtkam for my camera, it manages the mount for root, but doesn't change permissions for my user account. One might think this s

[lfs-support] xorg.conf{,.d}

2015-02-08 Thread Paul Rogers
set it up without being too precise about different monitors and video cards/chipsets, but with screen resolutions I can actually use. Seems like a combination of one or two sections in xorg.conf.d and pulling the rest automatically ought to work, if'n I could find more documentation. ;-( Sug

Re: [lfs-support] xorg.conf{,.d}

2015-02-08 Thread Paul Rogers
ve to do the whole config thing! Of course, I just tested it on my "build box" and need to see it working on a different box/monitor, but it *should* work! 8-o -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates."

Re: [lfs-support] xorg.conf{,.d}

2015-02-09 Thread Paul Rogers
ke this in my .xinitrc Only ever use one screen. Never thought xrandr got me anything. > video driver is in use. Of course, that won't help if you really do > need to sometimes use smaller screen sizes. Those 1280's are really hard to read!!! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm

Re: [lfs-support] xorg.conf{,.d}

2015-02-10 Thread Paul Rogers
y P4's, got Conroes, and one i7-940 MoBo/CPU was given to me which I fleshed out and only use for a major compiling engine. There are "sweet spots" every other generation or three. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates.&

Re: [lfs-support] xorg.conf{,.d}

2015-02-10 Thread Paul Rogers
ose 3.7.17 should be a problem. My question is, with this 7.2 and contemporaneous BLFS, will sqlite-3.8.4.2 be a "drop in"? And will I have to go back and recompile everything already built for 3.7.14? TIA. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Eve

Re: [lfs-support] xorg.conf{,.d}

2015-02-11 Thread Paul Rogers
cessary, fixing up the symlink after every install > while I am still building the system would get me down. But I still > think that starting from a version of BLFS which is more than 2 years > old is a waste of your time for desktop systems. This old system is 6.6 based. It didn't

[lfs-support] Planning for FOSS Firefox plugins

2015-02-13 Thread Paul Rogers
y'd like to tell me about? Then because Java is such a huge attack surface, this is where I want the latest versions of OpenJDK-2.5.4 and Iced-Tea Web-1.5. Again, is there anything in particular I should know to make the straddle work? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Seco

Re: [lfs-support] Planning for FOSS Firefox plugins

2015-02-13 Thread Paul Rogers
Right you are. Reposted to the correct list. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - Does exactly what it

[lfs-support] Framebuffers

2015-03-03 Thread Paul Rogers
ays to use vga=769 on the boot line. That does nothing. The LDP HowTo's are 5 years old and speak of kernel-2.1! So my question is, where is a good source for me to get up to speed so I can make the console framebuffer behave the way I want outside of X? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail

Re: [lfs-support] Framebuffers

2015-03-03 Thread Paul Rogers
lping much. This is one of the reasons I always avoided them. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - IMAP accessib

Re: [lfs-support] Framebuffers

2015-03-04 Thread Paul Rogers
and experience, simpler. > /etc/sysconfig/console I set FONT=ter-128n. That is a terminus font > from http://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/. They have a lot of sizes > available. Ok, that's another option. So how do all these compare if I'm occasionally bouncing out of

Re: [lfs-support] Framebuffers

2015-03-05 Thread Paul Rogers
nd use. > It's small, light, and fast. Surely, all we require of a bootloader > is to boot the system. Again, as you say: "simpler is better". I used it to boot my floppy Linux. I suppose I'll investigate. Does it handle UEFI? > grub can be complicated, but we actually

Re: [lfs-support] LFS Book URL

2015-03-13 Thread Paul Rogers
> Sorry for the noise... :) Life was much easier back in the good old > Netscape v1.0 and v2.0 days :) Yeah, no spam! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after

[lfs-support] EFI

2015-03-22 Thread Paul Rogers
new systems? (All my boxes currently are older and don't have this problem. But one day...) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- htt

Re: [lfs-support] Unclear where to execute make mrproper,

2015-04-06 Thread Paul Rogers
The mrproper target is only in the kernel makefile, no other packages. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - Doe

[lfs-support] Time management

2015-04-24 Thread Paul Rogers
the delay is neglibile, a disadvantage of "hiding it", and the LFS bootscripts neglect to run it in 0 & 6. BTW, it's a minor untidyness, but the setclock script sources sysconfig/clock if it's readable. If not, $UTC will be null, a condition which is not allowed for in th

Re: [lfs-support] Regeneration of udev net rules

2015-06-02 Thread Paul Rogers
, though the order it finds them on that first boot. Note, however, if you need a particular NIC/plug to have a particular name, eth?, you can just edit the MAC address. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not pers

Re: [lfs-support] Regeneration of udev net rules

2015-06-04 Thread Paul Rogers
> No, deleting the file just causes the interface initialisation to > fail. It did not rebuild the 70-persistent-net-rules file. No? I thought I'd had that work once when I was moving a drive to a different box. Sorry for the bad advice. Now I'll know not to next time. -- Paul

Re: [lfs-support] Regeneration of udev net rules

2015-06-05 Thread Paul Rogers
; And I recently found out why. I don't think I care what they think the reason why is! It's been eth since the dawn of time. Let's change all the names of the days of the week too! We don't want days of the week named for the pagan gods and goddesses! [/sarcasm] -- Paul Roge

Re: [lfs-support] e2fsprogs make error

2015-06-23 Thread Paul Rogers
ht (because most people are right handed and then the ink didn't smudge), top down. Some people read right to left, top down, some top down, right to left, but NOBODY reads bottom up! ;-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates.&

Re: [lfs-support] [6.?] Forgot which section I was.

2015-07-02 Thread Paul Rogers
cular package, replace it, and compare what's there now with tarballs that were made of each package at the time it was built. Really, if you're going to spend the time building a system, you have to have software management--otherwise it's a monolithic blob you can't do anything wi

Re: [lfs-support] Using package managers in LFS

2015-08-08 Thread Paul Rogers
meone else defines and is necessary for his "update" to fit in and work. > I must admit, I haven't been updating much, just using each system as > a build host for the next one when a new book comes out, which is > probably very bad practice security-wise. What do other peopl

Re: [lfs-support] Ping

2015-08-22 Thread Paul Rogers
to point out that telnet is very useful on a secure in-house LAN. If one is "staying home" why pay the overhead of ssh encryption? I install telnet and ftp client, but none of the r* programs. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do com

Re: [lfs-support] unified usr directory

2015-08-25 Thread Paul Rogers
able with well-established > Unix/Linux traditions, will expect /bin, /sbin and /lib where they > always have been and are not all that into changing everything for the > sake of changing everything. I'm not a LFS Newbie, but Amen, brudder! -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Roger

Re: [lfs-support] Sounding a beep when building LFS.

2015-09-17 Thread Paul Rogers
building BLFS. But how when I'm building LFS? I've > tried linking host programs with no success. aplay? if [ $? -eq 0 ] then aplay "happytune.au" else aplay "braaak.au" fi -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything

Re: [lfs-support] Sounding a beep when building LFS.

2015-09-18 Thread Paul Rogers
>On 09/17/2015 03:22 PM, Paul Rogers wrote: >>> I've tried snd-pcsp, snd_dummy, and a beep utility without success. I'm >>> probably missing something simple. How can I sound a beep when building >>> LFS with alsa enabled? >>> >>&g

Re: [lfs-support] Separate boot partition

2015-10-05 Thread Paul Rogers
a recent LFS on a system that old. I used to do it regularly, but haven't in quite some time--and I use a lot of old hardware! ;-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after

Re: [lfs-support] Separate boot partition

2015-10-06 Thread Paul Rogers
, POD-3.0rc7/-3.1 (on /dev/sda8)" { insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,8) linux /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda8 ro } menuentry "Reboot" { reboot } menuentry "Help" { help pause } menuentry "Halt" { halt } -- Paul Rogers paulgr

Re: [lfs-support] Glibc Configure Errors

2015-10-17 Thread Paul Rogers
other thing that may cause some difficulty is beginning with a Debian-based host system, say as compared to a RedHat-derived system. The two have gone in quite different directions for many years. LFS is perhaps a little closer to RedHat derivations. Configure is telling you your host isn't provid

Re: [lfs-support] create an ISO of the whole LFS system

2015-10-18 Thread Paul Rogers
running through the book again, very quickly. When I'm careful and get it right (fixing oversights is just part of the process), I can run through my cloning process on some temporary host system, e.g. Knoppix or LFS Live, shutdown, move drives if needed, and boot a configured clone that

[lfs-support] Timekeeping

2015-10-31 Thread Paul Rogers
ed to get the clock adjusted before udev runs? Any ideas? TIA. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - Send your e

Re: [lfs-support] Timekeeping

2015-11-01 Thread Paul Rogers
t path. I moved the setclock to before checkfs and so far (once) there was no problem, though I need to go through a couple cycles bouncing between systems. Just to check, but it's got to be right! Thanks for listening! 8-) -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law

Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.8 cannot boot

2015-11-10 Thread Paul Rogers
and grub.cfg, or the MBR/grub.cfg itself. That makes it easier to focus. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com

Re: [lfs-support] Prepare for Chapter 6

2015-11-24 Thread Paul Rogers
describe) # short or brief produces a one-liner, anything else # produces a longer description. describe $2 ;; setup) setup ;; build) build ;; finish)

[lfs-support] Missing files

2015-12-12 Thread Paul Rogers
on to www.linuxfromscratch.org:80. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2015-12-12 19:06:38 ERROR 404: Not Found. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after

Re: [lfs-support] Missing files

2015-12-13 Thread Paul Rogers
TP links there to the 7.7 wget-list, dated 3-5-15. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.com - mmm... Fastmail... -- ht

Re: [lfs-support] Missing files

2015-12-13 Thread Paul Rogers
> It's curious that you got the wget-list from osuosl and not the rest > of the files that are all available from the same site, same > directory. I just ran the wget-list. 8-D That's what it's for, after all. ;-) I did hammer it for all the BLFS-7.7 files though.

[lfs-support] LFS-7.7, Ch 6.6

2015-12-26 Thread Paul Rogers
Why is a userid for messagebus, i.e. dbus, being created in the initial passwd file, when dbus isn't being installed in LFS? Isn't it more appropriate to create it in BLFS when installing dbus? I looked through the lfs-dev list threads for all of 2015 and found no answer. -- P

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.7, Ch 6.6

2015-12-26 Thread Paul Rogers
BLFS). But I am similarly reluctant to deviate from the book. I guess, perhaps the point being less obviously buried in the lists, my question is where is all this going? Are these to be serious prereqs? Is LFS abandoning it's minimalist past? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers

[lfs-support] (no subject)

2015-12-26 Thread Paul Rogers
that's where LFS is going. Why can't they be installed as part of BLFS? They used to be. > > -- Bruce -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAA

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.7, Ch 6.6

2015-12-26 Thread Paul Rogers
Apologies, I fumbled this reply a moment ago. It wasn't ready and should be removed. > We've never been completely minimalist. Neither am I! But my mantra is KISS; above impatience. I really don't care about boot times. That's never more than a miniscule fraction of my total wait time. Sytem

Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.7, Ch 6.6

2015-12-28 Thread Paul Rogers
isn't really > something to do in a 'nix system. And not even on MFT/MVT/MVS systems. DD statements are "Data Definitions", indentifying the sources/destinations of data, files for the most part. Better would be "copy cons: myprog.exe" ;) > [2

[lfs-support] Thoughts on enhanced security

2015-12-30 Thread Paul Rogers
t establish the needs of what kind of internal security enhancements of what scope? How far do *you* take it, and why? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL

Re: [lfs-support] Thoughts on enhanced security

2015-12-30 Thread Paul Rogers
eristics of a system that really needs more than traditional UNIX internal security, and how much? -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) --

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