Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Oded Arbel wrote: [This is not really a reply to the previous message - I just wanted to keep the thread id] Update on Actcom status, specifically the tech support issue. I had to call Actcom tech support yesterday, complaining that my DSL connection doesn't work, eventually I found out that t

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Quoting Oded Arbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > To sum, the tech support still operates behind Actcom's toll free number > (which AFAIK is the only toll free internet support line in Israel), and > still seems clueful about Linux. I don't know about the commercial side > (my current contract expires o

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

[This is not really a reply to the previous message - I just wanted to keep the thread id] Update on Actcom status, specifically the tech support issue. I had to call Actcom tech support yesterday, complaining that my DSL connection doesn't work, eventually I found out that the issue was a hardwa

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 03:34:02PM +0300, David Smith wrote: > (...) perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative possibility - > a community ISP. I like the idea; I wouldn't actively participate myself because I don't live in Israel, but if it is n00b-friendly enough, I'd push my family to i

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 09:34:17AM +0300, Mike Tewner wrote: ISP'ing, at least in the US *can* be done on a smallish scale - on the order of a few hundred customers. But not in Israel. Things are much different here. Geoff. It's done in Israel a

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:36:02AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > >From my dealings with my ISP, using HOT's cable, I understand that they have > very close (although not quite perfect, to say the least) connections to HOT > and need to transfer configuration files, and need their help to debug some

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007, Mike Tewner wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs": > My point is that the whole operation was one room - those 2 racks and 3 > desks covering phone support and sys admins. > > ISP'ing, at least in the US *can* be done on a sm

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 09:34:17AM +0300, Mike Tewner wrote: > ISP'ing, at least in the US *can* be done on a smallish scale - on the order > of a few hundred customers. But not in Israel. Things are much different here. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3O

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In the US, I worked for a local computer store - it basically had all the Jewish Community's business - Anyway, one room of the store was an ISP - It was 2 racks - one for servers, the other for network. Server rack had COTS desktops running BSD (I think) - 2 * (mail, DNS, RADIUS,News) servers It

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On 09/07/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 08:01:50PM +0300, David Smith wrote: > If I understand correctly, in order to set up an small ISP, the > following infrastructure would be needed: > > A connection to at least one bigger ISP, and preferably als

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 08:01:50PM +0300, David Smith wrote: > If I understand correctly, in order to set up an small ISP, the > following infrastructure would be needed: > > A connection to at least one bigger ISP, and preferably also to IIX. > A server to handle DNS/mail/accounting etc and possi

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

A Linux shop does exist. A few months ago a couple of guys opened one in Jerusalem: http://rootpcs.com If I understand correctly, in order to set up an small ISP, the following infrastructure would be needed: A connection to at least one bigger ISP, and preferably also to IIX. A server to hand

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

"Ori Idan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid > for supporting people for connecting their computers to any ISP with > Linux. If you are willing to pay, consider business grade support. Along with a few of my colleagues on this list I

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs": > > My dream is somewhat differet. My dream is that there would be a Linux- > > friendly computer shop, where I could come in, and every computer would > > come (if

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Quoting Ori Idan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I guess that what bothers is the Linux support from the ISP. > It would be easier to take the guides we have today, update them and > redistribute it. > Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for > supporting people for connecting

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 05:18:55PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > This idea might just work. With a bit of asterisk wizardry, you can run > such a support business from your bedroom, or operated by students on their > free time. Reminds me of Thomas Friedman's story in "The World is Flat", > about J

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 04:47:06PM +0300, Ori Idan wrote: > Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for > supporting people for connecting their computers to any ISP with Linux. This to me makes no sense at all. For less than the cost of round trip bus fare per month, B

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, David Smith wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] > Current status of Israeli ISPs": > > Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been > chewed up by > > a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an >

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, Ori Idan wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs": > Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for > supporting people for connecting their computers to any ISP with Linux. This idea might just work. With a bit of a

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Idan On 7/8/07, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, David Smith wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs": > Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by > a larger fish, perhaps now is a time

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, David Smith wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs": > Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by > a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative > possibility - a community ISP. > >

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Hi, Starting an ISP costs quite a lot. You'll need to purchase servers, lots and lots of bandwidth, hire support staff, sales, administrative etc. Although servers are 1 time payment, the other stuff costs a lot, monthly, specially for the bandwidth here in Israel. Thanks, Hetz On 7/8/07, Davi

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Here is a suggestion for us all: Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative possibility - a community ISP. One business model would be to function as a cooperative - the shareholders are all employees or

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Amit Aronovitch: >> - Uses Netvision. Netvision seems to have a single Linux support >> person. It is easier to re-create the problem using a MS-Windows >> laptop and report the error messages displayed by MS-Windo

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Amit Aronovitch: > - Uses Netvision. Netvision seems to have a single Linux support > person. It is easier to re-create the problem using a MS-Windows > laptop and report the error messages displayed by MS-Windows. Sorry for being late to the gam

[SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Dotan Cohen: - Actcom. - Last time I called them with a problem was few weeks ago, and at the time all seemed normal. - If there is no Linux support anymore at Actcom, what must one do to connect via a Jordanian ISP? Asaf Halili and Geoffrey S. Mendelson: - Actcom was sold to Bezeq

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

Perhaps we just have to get used to a new reality. Until now Actcom was self motivated in its support of the Linux community. If that has changed then it is up to us to economically motivate another ISP to support the Linux community. For example, I have a server that has been collocated at Actc

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

Omer Zak wrote: > What is the current status of Linux support by Israeli ISPs? > > I'm using Netvision. Following data might not be up to date, as I did not have any serious problems lately. Netvision seem to have support for Linux, but my policy still is - recreate the problem using windows (

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

I just wrote a post about it (hebrew post): http://www.oriidan.info/article/custserv -- Ori Idan On 6/17/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 04:24:57PM +0300, Schneidman Danny wrote: > As one of the former employees, the changes i speak about are since

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 04:24:57PM +0300, Schneidman Danny wrote: > As one of the former employees, the changes i speak about are since > 1/6/07 ( two weeks ago ) I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find a better job soon, if you haven't already found one. > >If there is no Linux support at Actco

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

Dotan Cohen wrote: On 17/06/07, Schneidman Danny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ASAF HALILI wrote: But Actcom sold to bezeq and i'm not sure about the linux support now, you need to check it. Dont count on Linux support, as all employees got fired, and as far as i understood, Bezeq's supporte

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

On 17/06/07, Schneidman Danny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ASAF HALILI wrote: But Actcom sold to bezeq and i'm not sure about the linux support now, you need to check it. Dont count on Linux support, as all employees got fired, and as far as i understood, Bezeq's supporters have no clue Danny

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

ASAF HALILI wrote: But Actcom sold to bezeq and i'm not sure about the linux support now, you need to check it. Dont count on Linux support, as all employees got fired, and as far as i understood, Bezeq's supporters have no clue Danny On 6/17/07, *Dotan Cohen* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:51:30PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Your choices are these: > 1) Actcom > 2) Actcom > 3) Actcom Isn't that the same as Bezeq Ben Leumi? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-183

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But Actcom sold to bezeq and i'm not sure about the linux support now, you need to check it. On 6/17/07, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/06/07, Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the current status of Linux support by Israeli ISPs? > > I need to choose an ISP through whi

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

On 11/06/07, Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the current status of Linux support by Israeli ISPs? I need to choose an ISP through which I'll connect to the Internet from my ADSL connection. My criteria: 1. Good support (including support by FAX) when there is a problem in connecting

Current status of Israeli ISPs

What is the current status of Linux support by Israeli ISPs? I need to choose an ISP through which I'll connect to the Internet from my ADSL connection. My criteria: 1. Good support (including support by FAX) when there is a problem in connecting to the Internet. 2. Linux-cluefulness of the suppo