Subject: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.)
Dear Matanya,
I feel a little uncomfortable sending my question to the List -
and
that way obviously to you as well - again. Some time ago, when I
joined
the List, I was mainly expecting fresh news and knowledge in small
bits
shared by people
I am doomed to Hell, I promised myself to stay out of this thread forever.
But I must reply to Eugene.
There is legality and there is equity. The US copyright law is different
from most of the European, admittedly. But both consider fair use. My harp
ensemble (a group of from 6 to 10, depending
they get paid to be that dense)
Vance Wood.
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Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
To all,
Am I the only one who finds the name calling
Hello Jon,
At 01:17 AM 12/6/03 -0500, Jon Murphy wrote:
There is legality and there is equity. The US copyright law is different
from most of the European, admittedly. But both consider fair use. My harp
ensemble (a group of from 6 to 10, depending on the season and the
committments) routinely
Not meaning to get in to the fray and continue the hemorrhaging , but what
effect does an apology in the first part of the attached message have, if
you conclude in the end with another insult? Does that make the previous
apology null and void? Is this not just a parting shot across the
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Not meaning to get in to the fray and continue
At 11:20 PM 12/4/03 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
As we have witnessed, a moral case could be made either way. I for one,
am in favor of all facsimiles in the public domain to be copyright free. As
far as everything else is concerned I really don't care.
As I understand it, at least in the
Barring obvious cases of tyranny, law should
reflect the social norms of a society.
Since when tyranny does not reflect the social norms of a society???
There is a maxim: Every people deserves its government.
If you feel they do not, strive to
change them through proper channels in favor of
At 09:20 AM 12/5/03 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote:
If you feel they do not, strive to
change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't
believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite
enough to justify a label of tyranny.
Production is not
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 11:20 PM 12/4/03 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
As we have witnessed, a moral case could be made either way. I for
one,
am in favor of all facsimiles in the public domain to be copyright free.
As
far as everything else is concerned I really don't care.
As I
At 09:20 AM 12/5/03 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote:
If you feel they do not, strive to
change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't
believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite
enough to justify a label of tyranny.
Production is not questioned
I contributed what little I know of this topic very early on and in very
short order grew mighty tired of all the scatological nonsense and
inappropriate misidentification of hominids to follow (as a professional
biologist, this latter offense was particularly troubling).
Actually I took an
I'll ask Sasha Batov about this.
RT
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Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.)
For example, many years ago, I photographed in Leningrad., when it was
still Leningrad, a lute
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Matanya Ophee wrote:
Quite the contrary. Sky writing, ..., have a very secure business model
where the
I simply meant (with some poetic license required, perhaps) that you can't
sell tickets to a sky-writing show.
... the street beggars in the swampy slums of Bangladesh
At 09:20 AM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you feel they do not, strive to
change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't
believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite
enough to justify a label of tyranny.
At 12:24 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll ask Sasha Batov about this.
RT
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02059.html
Good idea. I hope you have better luck getting hold of him than I did last
August. Batov was working in the Leningrad Museum of
At 11:43 AM 12/5/2003 -0600, Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Matanya Ophee wrote:
Quite the contrary. Sky writing, ..., have a very secure business model
where the
I simply meant (with some poetic license required, perhaps) that you can't
sell tickets to a
Dear Roland,
you asked:
I am tired of deleting all the messages on this subject. Why don't you
who wish to pursue it go off line?
Well the same with me! I sincerely wish that the theoretical
copyright thinkers choose to change to private e-mail communication!
All the best... ;-)
Arto
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
To all,
Am I the only one who finds the name calling, and tone of some of =
these e-mail exchanges offensive? It's great to be passionate and have
Am 4 Dec 2003 um 0:55 hat Michael Thames geschrieben:
As far as name calling goes, As soon as MO rises into the upper =
realm of human beings, and starts showing respect for others, and some
= civility, I will confer on him the title of Human. Michael Thames
Dear Michael,
it should
Stewart and James-- Well stated. Thank you.
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Dear James,
No, you are not alone. I suppose people forget that, when we
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Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
To all,
Am I the only one who finds the name calling, and tone of some of these
e-mail exchanges offensive? It's great to be passionate and have strong
feelings
about a subject, but how about a modicum
Querido Hernán,
I wish I could write you in Spanish, but wouldn't be
reasonable.
I'm not blaming composers for publishing abroad. They publish
where they
can. I blame myself for not supporting local companies, or even
foreign companies, by not buying what I would be able
No, you are not alone. I suppose people forget that, when we send
messages addressed to particular individuals, we are also sending
that same message to everyone else on the list. If you aim a bucket
of water at someone, everyone else gets soaked in the process.
There have been two kinds of
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Subject: Respuesta: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Dear Michael,
I've learned the lesson too late (no one warned me), but seriously:
this doesn't make any sense.
It is not about an exchange, as it wasn't the last time we had a
similar episode
wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
To all,
Am I the only one who finds the name calling, and tone of some
of these
e
As far as name calling goes, As soon as MO rises into the upper =
realm of human beings, and starts showing respect for others, and some
= civility, I will confer on him the title of Human. Michael Thames
Dear Michael,
it should have occurred to you that namecalling is not the
kind of
Yes, and that's why Hoppy comes to Argentina every now and then, we're
all very grateful to him for that. What I meant was, I'm not asking for
donations for my Conservatory's library or for me, there are no
lutenists in Bahia Blanca (700km away from Buenos Aires, 400km away from
Mar del
Thames
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
As far as name calling goes, As soon as MO rises
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Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
No, you are not alone. I suppose people forget that, when we send
messages addressed to particular individuals, we are also sending
that same message to everyone else on the list. If you aim a bucket
Dear Michael,
I've learned the lesson too late (no one warned me), but seriously:
this doesn't make any sense.
It is not about an exchange, as it wasn't the last time we had a
similar episode...
Many of us would agree with many of your points, as you had the chance
to see.
We'll keep doing what
the
hand copied collection on the net? How would this scenario stand in the
ongoing debate?
Vance Wood.
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From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc
Dear Matanya,
Thank you for your answer.
On Thursday, Dec 4, 2003, at 19:43 Europe/Warsaw, Matanya Ophee wrote:
At 06:14 PM 12/4/2003 +0100, Jerzy ZAK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Matanya,
... But time showed that some people prefer wasting time - ours,
mine, on
personal quarrels.
This
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Vance Wood wrote:
... what would the collective reaction be if I then put the hand copied
collection on the net? How would this scenario stand in the ongoing
debate?
Some industries just naturally have an insecure business model. Examples
include artistic sky writing,
. No one could
tell the difference.
Michael Thames
Luthier
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From: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Here
Luthier
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From: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Here is a little wrench to throw
that follow them that are
stupid!
Michael Thames
Luthier
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From: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
On Thu, 4
I contributed what little I know of this topic very early on and in very
short order grew mighty tired of all the scatological nonsense and
inappropriate misidentification of hominids to follow (as a professional
biologist, this latter offense was particularly troubling).
I said this the last
Stewart,
I both agree and disagree. It is a matter of the intent.
b) Altering someone's name into some sort of sarcastic nickname,
e.g. MO for Matanya Ophee, Uncle Albert for Albert Reyerman, and St.
McCoy for me.
Calling someone by a name other than their correct name is puerile,
and has
of facsimiles. And I don't intend to.
Michael Thames
Luthier
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Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
I contributed
, 2003 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Stewart,
I both agree and disagree. It is a matter of the intent.
b) Altering someone's name into some sort of sarcastic nickname,
e.g. MO for Matanya Ophee, Uncle Albert for Albert Reyerman, and St.
McCoy for me.
Calling someone by a name
On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 07:32 PM, Michael Thames wrote:
After this experience, You can bet I will do everything in my
power to
access these works of Bach, and free them to the world. God forbid
you
come across any Weiss, then I'll really get mad!
I'm curious? Do you support
: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 09:56 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Relax Montana,
That can work both ways, distorting people's names intentionally. But I
will resist
Good Lord, what am I to say.
(And for the politically correct, I do not use the phrase Good Lord for any
establishment of religion, merely as a gentle expletive).
I do hope the lack of civility in this discussion thread isn't
characteristic of the Lute List. I have gotten so much help here in my
But again: place YOURS and not MINE.
That is grossly untrue: It is Bach's and Weyrauch's (i.e. belonging to the
World), and you [Albert Reyermann] merely BORROWED it. And your noble
purpose has no bearing on this matter.
RT
Now, now, it is Mr. Reyermanns FACSIMILE EDITION that he speaks
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Hello Albert,
Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you.
Allan Alexander
Back in the old country there is a saying: Crows never peck each other's
eyes.
RT
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To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lute Net
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Why stop at facsimiles? Why not make all their published music
available for free downloading? This would be such a great
service
Matanya Ophee wrote:
At 09:20 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
St. Michael the Liberator! I notice you don't give your guitars away.
Don't you think the world should be given free access to such fine
instruments? ;-)
DR
This is not an analogy, he MAKES
: was: Facsimeles etc.
I think the same was true of the Quarto editions of Shakespeare.
Where do Broude Performers' facsimiles fit in to this? I have
their
Lachrimae table book (price in ink on the inside cover). Neither
the
publisher's name nor a copyright mark appear anywhere in the book.
I do
, or is there a fundamental difference in
policy?
Tony
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
Dear Herbert,
Our medium of computers may be new, but the matter under discussion
most
PLEASE, LET'S SPEAK ABOUT THOSE TOPICS WE KNOW WELL !
Actually I do know a few things about this, having published a book written
by my father, and having worked in the industry.
It is a real shame that Albert Reyerman had to explain with full details
how much work it means publishing (=
Hello Albert,
Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you.
Allan Alexander
Back in the old country there is a saying: Crows never peck each
other's eyes.
RT
Are you suggesting that I am a publisher of facsimiles? I have no
interest in this business. I think that if Albert publishes the
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Stewart McCoy wrote:
Our medium of computers may be new, but the matter under discussion
most certainly is not.
There were various pirate editions of music in the 16th century,
Would, say, Dowland have been surprised at 21st century culture,
where 99%
of music is
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc.
Dear Tony,
If you wanted, you could probably track down an address for Broude
Bros via the Internet.
I'm afraid I don't
At 09:18 AM 12/3/2003 -0500, Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is a book, and it was made from scratch by
one
person who invested a great deal of time and money in creating it.
What a load of crap! Making a book is a manufacturing operation and, per
se, does not involve any
At 12:32 AM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
where did I publicly declare that I
intend to
rip him off Those are you words.
They are indeed. Considering your proposal, a rip-off operation is actually
a mild and forgiving expletive.
At no time did I say I would post
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From: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 09:18 AM 12/3/2003 -0500, Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
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To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc.
Here are the Broude Bros contacts:
Broude Brothers
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Broude Brothers Limited
141 White Oaks Road
Williamstown, MA 01267
Dr
At 10:53 AM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I Agree, Monkey, they cost me $20.00 to Xerox, buy a tube and ship
worldwide, not mention the cost of travel, expertise involved, in drawing
them up. But the shocking part Mr. Monkey is there's NO COPYRIGHT
written
No, but you are believed to be a publisher of commercial ARRANGEMENTS.
Not exactly.
I self publish a few things for the lute that I WROTE and some that I
arranged, melodies that I harmonized and added variations to. There
is little market for such material from lutenists. Not the same as
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Matanya Ophee wrote:
... always had to accept a condition imposed by the library that the
material will be used specifically for the purpose for which it was
obtained,
What is the library's motivation for this? I would have thought that a
non-profit library would be happy
Dear Stewart, Roman, and all,
Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed.
What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one
benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one
doing most illegal actions.
I'll tell you what happens
really over
my head.
Michael Thames
Luthier
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 10:53 AM 12/3/2003
have said it better.
Michael Thames
Luthier
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
I Agree, Monkey
I have a good friend who runs a major library nearby and hear these same
concerns all of the time. My concern is where the need to make lute music
available and this funding crisis intersect. Some of the prices I've been
quoted to obtain a license from these libraries is really outrageous. To the
At 01:00 PM 12/3/2003 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a good friend who runs a major library nearby and hear these same
concerns all of the time. My concern is where the need to make lute music
available and this funding crisis intersect. Some of the prices I've been
quoted to obtain a
: Facsimeles etc.
At 09:18 AM 12/3/2003 -0500, Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That is a book, and it was made from scratch by
one
person who invested a great deal of time and money in creating it.
What a load of crap! Making a book is a manufacturing operation and, per
se, does
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 01:43 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's very noble of you. Let me suggest that if indeed you are true to
your ideals, you post them for free on _your_
On Wednesday, Dec 3, 2003, at 23:04 Europe/Warsaw, Matanya Ophee wrote:
But should new material come to light,
there is no chance it will enter into general circulation any time
soon.
Viz. the availability to the Francesco Castelfranco new discoveries.
And
this is only one of the more
Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed.
What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one
benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one
doing most illegal actions.
I'll tell you what happens down here (Argentina): we
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those included in the Koonce edition.
OK then those will do just fine.
You don't need me for that. You can buy this book from all the usual
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have
are
those included in the Koonce edition
At 07:53 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those included in the Koonce edition.
OK then those will do just fine.
Somehow I don't believe that the musicians are to blame for this. It
seemed that A LOT of music down there was being put out by Warner
Brothers South American division. So I'm sure they contributed to the
demise of local houses.
I'm not blaming composers for publishing abroad. They publish
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 07:53 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have
are
those included in the Koonce edition
To all,
Am I the only one who finds the name calling, and tone of some of these
e-mail exchanges offensive? It's great to be passionate and have strong feelings
about a subject, but how about a modicum of civility? I know, if you don't
like it, don't read it; but the subject matter is
Michael,
That is well said. If someone adds value to an object then they deserve to
be paid for that. Value could be as simple as going to various sites
(physical) and collecting them, or as complete as making an edition with
fingering hints and historical notes added. As to the purchase of
Open letter to Michael Thames
who announced to place a TREE facsimile edition to the wwweb.
from Albert Reyerman, TREE EDITION
Dear Mr. Thames,
first of all I would like to correct you: in the BACH/Weyrauch
facsimile edition the copyright notice is printed on the very first page
(in 24
Hello Albert,
Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you.
Allan Alexander
188 1st St
Troy, NY 12180-4436
Open letter to Michael Thames
who announced to place a TREE facsimile edition to the wwweb.
from Albert Reyerman, TREE EDITION
Dear Mr. Thames,
first of all I would like
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From: albertreyerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Facsimeles etc.
Open letter to Michael Thames
who announced to place a TREE facsimile edition to the wwweb.
from Albert Reyerman, TREE EDITION
Dear Mr. Thames
: Facsimeles etc.
Open letter to Michael Thames
who announced to place a TREE facsimile edition to the wwweb.
from Albert Reyerman, TREE EDITION
Dear Mr. Thames,
first of all I would like to correct you: in the BACH/Weyrauch
facsimile edition the copyright notice is printed on the very first
wishes,
Denys
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From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: Facsimeles etc.
Let me state my intentions, and I will take all viewpoints to heart in =
the matter. I would like
Dear Michael,
You make many points, so I shall scatter my comments amongst yours.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: Facsimeles etc.
Let
Fred Bone at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..And so, on a personal note, the grand celestial question remains, does
TREE EDITION (European Patent Register No. 1 038 427) control _all rights
toward ANY form of reproduction of the information found upon the pages of
mss_, or simply the _ visible
Would, say, Dowland have been surprised at 21st century culture, where 99%
of music is commercial and a ready source of litigation?
Has there always been music of such aggressive crassness as is heard (in
abundant volume) on any city street corner?
I'm not anti-Tree, but I do wonder whether
This whole discussion remains me of that beatiful sentence with which
Wittgenstein finished his Tractatus, written back in 1918:
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen.
About those things one can not speak, it is necessary to remain silent.
Wittgenstein said this in a much
Dear colleagues,
This thread has been very interesting to me because of my own research. Mr
Thames brought up a logical question with legal, moral, and practical
questions. The replies to his query have been thought-provoking. I am
grateful to Mr Reyerman for sharing his expertise.
I like the
But again: place YOURS and not MINE.
That is grossly untrue: It is Bach's and Weyrauch's (i.e. belonging to the
World), and you [Albert Reyermann] merely BORROWED it. And your noble
purpose has no bearing on this matter.
RT
Thames
Luthier
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From: albertreyerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Lute Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles, etc
This whole discussion remains me of that beatiful sentence with which
Wittgenstein finished his Tractatus, written back in 1918:
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen.
About those things one can
At 06:32 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My interest in old things also applies to Facsimiles of lute music. My
only crime has been my naivety in wanting to share this wonderful
experience with others, some of whom, it may not have occurred to them to
even look
On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 07:03 PM, Manolo Laguillo wrote:
It sounds the same as if somebody would say the following:
I can't understand why you as a luthier charges that much for a lute.
You are only cutting pieces of wood with a knife, and then putting them
together.
I'm sure you
Why stop at facsimiles? Why not make all their published music
available for free downloading? This would be such a great service
to everyone, wouldn't it, because then we wouldn't have the trouble
and expense of actually acquiring the books legitimately ourselves.
A good and noble idea,
Well said Howard,
I have been reading a copy of Grout's History of Western Music given my by
my daughter in law in my attempt to return to proper music and remind myself
of the theory. There are many facsimiles of ancient originals in that book.
Under U.S. law I'd have no problem scanning them
10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 07:32 PM, Michael Thames wrote:
After this experience, You can bet I will do everything in my
power to
access these works of Bach, and free them to the world. God forbid
you
come across any Weiss, then I'll
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My interest in old things also applies to Facsimiles of lute music
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Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 07:32 PM, Michael Thames wrote:
After this experience, You can bet I will do everything in my
power
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From: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc.
At 09:20 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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St. Michael the Liberator! I notice you don't give your guitars away
At 09:56 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Relax Montana,
That can work both ways, distorting people's names intentionally. But I
will resist the urge to engage in this juvenile silliness.
I see you have quite alot of baggage with this issue, to go after me with
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