Hey Sarah. Have you tried the Acapela voices? I'm using Tracy at this moment
and she sounds pretty clear, and actually, more calmer than any female voice
out there. Give her a try.
Shawn
On 2012-07-15, at 4:30 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
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I know I'm late coming in on this topic. With using screen reading voice
over the past twenty or so years of my life. I find Alex to be the best
voice that Apple has offered thus far. To me those other voices are very
hard to understand. I have a slight hearing impairment myself. I have
Hi. i kind of agree with you. lol
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On 04/07/2012, at 1:33 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Boo Eloquence! If I wanted to listen to that stupid robotic voice drone on
Ah yes! If the loquendo voices were available for the mac, that would be very
cool. They're supposedly available for the pc,
but are so expensive that acquiring them just isn't an option. I love how
expressive those voices are, though.
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The Loquendo voices last I heard were recently acquired by Nuance, so we should
have a choice, either Realspeak or Loquendo.
Shawn
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I just read that too! How awesome would that be if we can easly get our hands
on loquendo voices!
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Here is something I want fixed.
Every now and again when I use the Force Quit Application thing the
window will stay open after it closes the application.
I can't command tab to the screen and can't interact with it at all but
my wife will say it is covering my screen.
You can VO+F2 twice go go to the window chooser menu, select force quick
applications, and arrow over to close.
On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Blinkin wrote:
Here is something I want fixed.
Every now and again when I use the Force Quit Application thing the
window will stay open after
Interesting, because I'm the opposite. I would rather use eloquence and I would
rather use male voices than female. I guess it all comes down to personal taste
in the end.
Daniel
On 3 Jul 2012, at 14:47, Missy Hoppe wrote:
While I agree 100 percent that Eloquence is the only speech that is
Same here with regards to male voices rather than female, though I have no
major issues with Samantha. Can someone post how to download and install the
realspeak voices for the mac?
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Okay yep I have done that already just wanted to be certain this is what
folks were talking about. Thank you.
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Cheree Heppe here:
The thing we blindness consumers have to concern ourselves with is, in our
admirable efforts to make a new product more accessible, that we do not
re-invent the limitations and pitfalls embedded in other well-known and used
consumer products. All day at work, I have to
Cheree Heppe here:
The thing we blindness consumers have to concern ourselves with is, in our
admirable efforts to make a new product more accessible, that we do not
re-invent the limitations and pitfalls embedded in other well-known and used
consumer products. All day at work, I have to
I seriously doubt that they're ever gonna do eloquence. For one thing, that
voice initially was an IBM voice that evolved from IBM ViaVoice Outloud.
With this said, it's not very likely. I doubt they're going to use
something from a competitor. I do however agree that Eloquence would be a
jesús, this is a fascinating discussion. Personally, I use Fred on a daily
basis for reading in English, and Paulina when reading in Spanish. Alex is
okay, but I prefer a responsive Voice, and I find that I'm able to move about
the Mac more quickly using Fred. I have tried Javier for
Riccardo,
Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the method of
selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy. You can also navigate by line
within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across to OS X. Navigating by
line is also useful when trying to read pages that
Colin,
I totally forgot about this hidden little gem. Thanks that is one annoyance
ticked off my list :)
Chris
On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:40, Red.Falcon wrote:
Hi there!
I do not know if this is something you might find useful!
But open VO+H+H will bring up vo commands and in the first option
I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and just some
improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but this
only because it is so poor when compared to things like ZoomText in the windows
world. It is probably great if you don't need to use Voice
What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to zoom?
On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote:
I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and just some
improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but this
only because
There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than 14X or so. If
you have VO running and zoom set to follow the keyboard focus you will find
that the command tab to switch between apps becomes unreliable and navigating
the menu bar with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I
I'd like to have Braille tables for some languages fixed in Mountain Lion. I've
been writing to Accessibility about it a few times but ominously have not had a
single response to reassure me that they are going to do so. Braille tables
swapping on te the fly would be a good feature, very much
Hi,
I wonder how many zoom users are out there? I ask because, I wonder if there
are enough users to give Apple enough feedback. My vision isn't good enough to
really use zoom for any extensive length of time so, I can't really point
anything out. Well, except the way it bounces Voiceover
Hi Ricardo, I wonder the same thing. I also wonder how am many people like me
would use Zoom if only it worked a bit better. With VO At work where we are
firmly set in the windows world, I primarily use JAWS but use ZoomText in
conjunction with it. I have it set to about 30 times on a 28 inch
Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear to have got
the message with iOS 6 that zoom and voice over at the same time would be
beneficial. If it was improved and there were better contrast colour schemes,
I may consider using it myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText
I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is not so much
with the arrow keys that I would want to use the caps lock key but with the
other vo commands. I can't help think that the caps lock key is a complete
waste of prime keyboard real-estate, if you know what I mean. It is
I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can be used in
so many different ways.
If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and if I am
using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a bluetooth keyboard, and when using
my Macbook I use the track pad.
eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows
anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen to it and I don't
get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and find it is more clear
understandable in words than these silly nuance voices. I don't want
While I agree 100 percent that Eloquence is the only speech that is efficient
enough to actually get things done with, I've
never been particularly fond of it. Not sure that makes sense given that I've
used Glen more or less exclusively for the past
12 years or so, but on the whole, I think
I'd rather have the dectalk voices.
On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows
anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen to it and I don't
get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and find
Hi,
While I agree a female equivalent to Alex would be a necessary addition, I
just don't see apple ever incorporating Eloquence or the Dectalk voices, for
that matter. For one thing, why incorporate an inferior voice from Nuance
when you've already got their high quality realspeak? I completely
Lol my opinion is if Nuance is so tight fist about Eloquence yet they
are not with Vocalizer I cannot see Eloquence being featured any time soon.
On 03/07/2012 14:38, Daniel McGee wrote:
eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows
anymore there's something about
Hello,
Vicky is supposed to be the female equivalent of Alex. Personally, I can't
stand either of them. I've been using Fred for years because he's clear and
quite neutral.
On 3 Jul 2012, at 16:05, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hi,
While I agree a female equivalent to Alex would be a necessary
I thought Victoria was prior voice to Alex? Personally I quite like Alex, and
can't stand Fred. He sounds rather creepy and too robotic. I guess it depends
on what you are used to and how long you have been using TTS.
On 3 Jul 2012, at 16:21, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello,
Vicky is
Ugh, I hate Vicky and Victoria. I hate Fred too. I wish they'd use Alex for
the OS X installer.
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Same here. Both Vicky and Victoria sound too robotic for me; more like Fred
than Alex. Vicky doesn't have nearly the realism
as Alex, so I can't imagine that she's meant to be his female counterpart. Oh
well. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Honestly, I don't understand all the fuss
Ah! That would be sweet: Alex reading the OSX install. I'd almost rather see
Apple get rid of Fred, Vicky and Victoria
altogether since there are so many better options out there.
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Alas it would be, but I have my theories on why they use fred for that
purpose.
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Fred is used during installation because it requires the least system
resources, which is also why Fred is the most responsive voice and why it is my
preferred voice for practical purposes.
I use Acapela voices sometimes for reading for pleasure, and have Fiona, the
Scottish voice that comes
That's what I was going to say actually. Lol. I personally think it's an
inferior voice.
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I prefer Qlex...can't stand Fred
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On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
Alas it would be, but I have my theories on why they use fred for that
purpose.
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I think you're right on the mark here on that one. I'd like to see a windowed
option, and a way to have white over Black in that window, which would Make it
look more like ZT's doc reader.
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Command tab is flakey even w/o vo with zoom above 14x.
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On Jul 3, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Garth Humphreys
Boo Eloquence! If I wanted to listen to that stupid robotic voice drone on and
on, I'd switch back to PC and install Jaws or Window-Eyes. But I don't want to
do that because I'm a Mac user, and I like listening to human-sounding voices.
If I had to pick voices to be added to the Mac, I'd pick
Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would like so
and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion.
I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many
enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like fixed
and hope Apple has done
Hi there! All I'm hoping they fix is startup. For me, it's still hit or miss,
and VO never starts up on the desktop as it did
under Snow Leopard. In the beginning, this was that hateful com.doc.apple.extra
thing, and now, it's TM launch agent and a
virety of other things. True, pressing command
I hope they fix Quicktime when starting the screen recorder.
In snow leopard when you pressed start recording you got a pop up
telling you how to stop it and then pressed a second start recording button to
begin.
Now, I have to turn off trackpad commander, click the record
I would like them to fix the bug that if you go to an empty drive in table
mode you will never get out without a reboot.
BILL HOLTON
Email: b...@bholton.com
Direct: 386-624-6309
Homepage: www.bholton.com
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Yep, for me, the biggest annoyance is the safari busy bug as well. Wish it
behaved more like chrome, sans the table weirdness. Also, and this is far from
a deal breaker, but VO at login would also rock, along with the whole of the
menu bar being available to us.
Have fun everyone.
Sent
The I as 1 bug Kieth And Russell were talking about?
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On Jul 2, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Ricardo Walker
Hi.
As for me, I'd like to see a few things fixed. I wouldn't however, call them
bugs, more accessibility issues.
I'd like to see table's in textedit and other word processors become accessible
to VoiceOver.
The connect as button in the network view of finder isn't accessible while
using column
I wish they would fix the Safari busy issue. and update iWork's especially
pages so it would read the whole document without constantly stopping at the
end of every pager. It disrupts reading. Other than that I don't really have
any issues with Mac or VO.
Becky
On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:37 PM,
What exactly is table mode? And emptry drives? Do explain?
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: what Voiceover
Hi.
You can use VO at the login screen.
Go in to users in system preferences, unlock so you can change options, then go
back to near the top of the window and find login options under all of the user
accounts. Once in there, you will find a check box to use VO at the login
screen.
HTH,
Matthew
Hi.
I think List view, is what is meant.
This happens when you connect an empty drive and you try to go in to the empty
drive in the finder. That actually happened to me this weekend with my new
flash drive.
I had to boot up my Windows VM in order to get all of my stuff on it.
On 2012-07-02, at
Hi,
Oh, right. That's odd, however, I've never seen that in my 2 years of using
a mac, from snow Leopard to Lion.
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Hi.
Neither have I, until this weekend.
Verry weird.
On 2012-07-02, at 2:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hi,
Oh, right. That's odd, however, I've never seen that in my 2 years of using
a mac, from snow Leopard to Lion.
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I'll be purchasing a new USB external drive shortly, usually run in list mode,
so will see if this duplicates. Either way, will keep you posted, as I've never
seen this either.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
Neither
I meant VO speaking at reboot, rather than at login. Sorry for not being more
clear.
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On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
Neither have I, until this weekend.
Verry weird.
On 2012-07-02, at 2:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
You can set VO to start when you log in:
Go to system preferences, users and groups button.
Click the boxthat says click the lock to make changes. Interact with the
thing that says users, groups, and log in options. So you do that, and then
if you're going through the login options portion,
When the drive shows in the finder, I usually press Vo+shift+m and then open.
And if the drive is empty or full, it will open up and you're left in the
browser as normal.
HTH,
Rachel
On Jul 2, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
Hi.
I think List view, is what is meant.
This happens
There's another quick fix. If you have any empty drive, take a jfile, any
file, and use the right click option to copy to that drive from the desktop.
Once it has even a single file on it the drive will open fine from that
point on.
BILL HOLTON
Email: b...@bholton.com
Direct:
Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I can't
remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without them. I
did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements.
The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the pathetic
Hey guys. One of the bugs I'd like them to fix is the whole pitch change thing
with the Nuance voices. Even though I use the Acapela voices, sometimes I help
people with their Macs and they use Samantha or other Nuance voice and it
scares the crap out of me when she changes pitch. Now that
So, long as we are talking about fixes one would like to see I would also
like to see a little easier navigation of headings on web pages. Perhaps as
a relative new user to the mac I am missing something, but I find it easier
to navigate HTML headings in web pages with windows screen readers then
Hi,
pressing VO command H brings you to the next heading. Adding shift to that
goes to the previous heading.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
So, long as we are
thank you very much, as I said new user this is good very good. Never saw
that in the documentation or the tutorials. I hope someone soon does a high
end tutorial from beginning to end on voice over with the common apps such
as safari, the email and text editor. I certainly would be prepared to
Hi,
I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That would
radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it would be for
the better. It would be selecting text easier though.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
yeah, in my personal opinion, I think selecting text in safari could be
improved. Sure you can select text bu interacting with it and using the VO
enter to start the selection and do the same command to highlight it and CMD C
to copy it but what if you wanted to copy more than one thing on a
Hi there!
I do not know if this is something you might find useful!
But open VO+H+H will bring up vo commands and in the first option general there
is add pronunciation in which you can put in the first field the word you want
to change then in the second field write it so it sounds the way you
Yes, the safari busy thing is annoying, as a work around, you can use google
chrome, doesn't have that problem.
On Jul 2, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
I wish they would fix the Safari busy issue. and update iWork's especially
pages so it would read the whole document without
If you don't already have this set, you can go into voiceover utility, to the
commanders area, and then to the quick nav tab. And check the box that says
'enable single key webpage navigation when using quick nav.
then you can use H for heading, b for button, and so on.
HTH,
Rachel
On Jul 2,
Thats true. But chrome has problems as well. In certain instances, even more
annoying than the busy. For example, not being able to jump to elements that
are in tables.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mike
Hi there!
Of course this is with Lion!
Not in snowy kitty!
Colin
On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:53, Rachel Feinberg wrote:
If you don't already have this set, you can go into voiceover utility, to the
commanders area, and then to the quick nav tab. And check the box that says
'enable single key
Hi.
It worked that way in SL with Safari 5.0. As soon as 5.1 came out, that ability
broke.
On 2012-07-02, at 7:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hi,
I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That would
radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it
Hi,
I think work is being kind. lol. It sorted worked, some of the time. I did
actually figure out a way to get consistent results with that though. But,
there was so many steps, it wasn't really worth the trouble.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
Hi,
you can also press command O to open the drive. I find this either than going
through a context menu.
hth
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Rachel Feinberg walksi...@gmail.com wrote:
When the drive shows
Man this is a great list with great folks. Cool will be doing that.
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