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Dnia 19.01.2023 o godz. 02:57:51 Benny Pedersen via mailop pisze: > > new freemail tld in spamassassin ? > > cc: spamassassin eu.org is there for years. When it started, it was probably the one and only place where you could register a free domain. Spamassassin folks surely know about it and

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John Levine via mailop skrev den 2023-01-18 23:00: It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:39:48 Mark Alley via mailop pisze: Woops, sorry, wrong link pasted. That's the sender guidelines - while still helpful, was not what I was trying to send. The eu.org

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Slavko via mailop skrev den 2023-01-18 17:57: Dňa 18. januára 2023 16:44:50 UTC používateľ John Covici via mailop napísal: So, what can I use to begin and end the record? Do I need any delimiter character like Mark gave me? I will suggest you to start to learn SPF record syntax, either

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Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 23:21:43 Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop pisze: > > I have also repeatedly pointed out ;) that eu.org subdomains aren't > attractive for spammers, because a) you have to set up in advance > nameservers for the requested domain on your own (this is checked by the > registration

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Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 17:00:03 John Levine via mailop pisze: > It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: > >Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:39:48 Mark Alley via mailop pisze: > >> Woops, sorry, wrong link pasted. That's the sender guidelines - > >> while still helpful, was not what I was trying

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Fair point. I've seen that with the .tk free TLD as well, same boat. Generally, nobody I've seen using that TLD has a good time related to email. On 1/18/2023 4:00 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:39:48 Mark Alley via

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It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said: >Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:39:48 Mark Alley via mailop pisze: >> Woops, sorry, wrong link pasted. That's the sender guidelines - >> while still helpful, was not what I was trying to send. The eu.org domain gives out free subdomains to anyone,

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It appears that John Covici via mailop said: >So, what can I use to begin and end the record? Do I need any >delimiter character like Mark gave me? In actual TXT records the delimiter is "quotes" but if you're using some kind of web crudware to manage your DNS, it invariably adds the quotes so

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We're glad to help, and that you got it working! If it's the warning I am recalling, I believe the validators are just complaining about the void lookup in one of the nested "a" mechanisms, that won't cause an issue unless there are more than 2 total. You can probably fix that issue yourself

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I just wanted to thank the folks on here -- although the syntax checkers say there is an error in my spf record(s) I was able to send a message to a gmail address and that has solved my problem. Thanks again. Thanks again. On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:50:51 -0500, Mark Alley via mailop wrote: > >

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Dňa 18. januára 2023 16:44:50 UTC používateľ John Covici via mailop napísal: >So, what can I use to begin and end the record? Do I need any >delimiter character like Mark gave me? I will suggest you to start to learn SPF record syntax, either reading particular RFC or some SPF tutorial --

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That might be your email client rendering my original message differently - there shouldn't be any delimiter necessary in your SPF record at the beginning/end, you can remove them. On 1/18/2023 10:44 AM, John Covici via mailop wrote: So, what can I use to begin and end the record? Do I need

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So, what can I use to begin and end the record? Do I need any delimiter character like Mark gave me? Thanks. On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:59:21 -0500, Giovanni Bechis via mailop wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > [1.1.1 ] > On 1/18/23 16:34, John Covici via mailop wrote: > > Thanks for that -- for some

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On 1/18/23 16:34, John Covici via mailop wrote: Thanks for that -- for some reason, an spf lookup site which I have used says no spf record, are you seeing for covici.com or ccs.covici.com ? covici.com and ccs.covici.com spf record are still invalid: covici.com descriptive text "/v=spf1 a

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Thanks for that -- for some reason, an spf lookup site which I have used says no spf record, are you seeing for covici.com or ccs.covici.com ? On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:55:05 -0500, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > > On 2023-01-18 at 05:08:00 UTC-0500 (Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:08:00 -0500) > John Covici

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On 2023-01-18 at 05:08:00 UTC-0500 (Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:08:00 -0500) John Covici via mailop is rumored to have said: [...] Source Received: by mail-tester.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 567CCA0BC0; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:59:14 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2

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No, but I will do that after fixing up my spf records! On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:38:32 -0500, Mark Alley via mailop wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > Have you tried submitting via the Google Sender Contact Form > to get this > resolved? > > On 1/18/2023

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Ah ok, apologies, I missed that in the chain. I knew someone had mentioned it before in this or another thread, but couldn't find it. On 1/18/2023 7:43 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:38:32 Mark Alley via mailop pisze: Have you tried submitting via the Google

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Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:39:48 Mark Alley via mailop pisze: > Woops, sorry, wrong link pasted. That's the sender guidelines - > while still helpful, was not what I was trying to send. > > https://support.google.com/mail/contact/gmail_bulk_sender_escalation Yes, that's exactly the form I filled

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Dnia 18.01.2023 o godz. 07:38:32 Mark Alley via mailop pisze: > Have you tried submitting via the Google Sender Contact Form > to get this resolved? Countless number of times, as I already wrote in my previous email. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa

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Woops, sorry, wrong link pasted. That's the sender guidelines - while still helpful, was not what I was trying to send. https://support.google.com/mail/contact/gmail_bulk_sender_escalation On 1/18/2023 7:38 AM, Mark Alley wrote: Have you tried submitting via the Google Sender Contact Form

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Have you tried submitting via the Google Sender Contact Form to get this resolved? On 1/18/2023 5:02 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Dnia 17.01.2023 o godz. 20:05:45 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze: You visit mail-tester.com, copy the email

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Yep, I will work on that. On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:53:26 -0500, Mark Alley wrote: > > The HELO identity is set by the submitting mail server during the > SMTP session, you'll need to update that accordingly in each > respective mail server's configuration (or whichever software is > being used). >

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Laura Atkins via mailop skrev den 2023-01-18 11:49: Your SPF record is invalid. ccs.covici.com [4]. 180 IN TXT "v=spf1ainclude:covici-com.spf-a.smtp25.com [5] include:covici-com.spf-b.smtp25.com [6] include:covici-com.spf-c.smtp25.com [7] include: ccs.covici.com [4] include: debian-2.covici.com

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Dnia 17.01.2023 o godz. 20:05:45 Jarland Donnell via mailop pisze: > You visit mail-tester.com, copy the email address, send an email to > it, and then wait about 15-30 seconds and click the button. It'll > give you an overview. It's not perfect, but if your email has some > very significant,

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On 2023-01-18 11:16, John Covici via mailop wrote: > Thanks, it was my bad. I did put an spf record, a couple of hours ago, but > mail-tester said it had not propagated. Additionally to what Mark wrote, those domains do have a SPF record, but they are broken.

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The HELO identity is set by the submitting mail server during the SMTP session, you'll need to update that accordingly in each respective mail server's configuration (or whichever software is being used). On 1/18/2023 4:48 AM, John Covici wrote: Thanks, that was useful. I wonder why it was

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Thanks, that was useful. I wonder why it was hello covici.com since I am not sending from that address? On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:33:32 -0500, Mark Alley via mailop wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > //X-Spam-Last-External-HELO: covici.com/ * 0.3 KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS > Relay HELO differs from its IP's

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Thanks, it was my bad. I did put an spf record, a couple of hours ago, but mail-tester said it had not propagated. I am going to paste my test results, because I have still some questions. Comments in line Good stuff. Your email is almost perfect Score : 7.7/10 Subject : test #4Received 0

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On 2023-01-18 at 00:16:53 UTC-0500 (Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:16:53 -0500) John Covici via mailop is rumored to have said: hmmm, I have one for covici.com -- does this not cover the subdomain? No. I don't even think my registrar can have an spf for a subdomain. That would be remarkably weak on

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hmmm, I have one for covici.com -- does this not cover the subdomain? I don't even think my registrar can have an spf for a subdomain. On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 21:08:18 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > One very obvious one I hit right away. You seem to be sending > from @ccs.covici.com,

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Thanks, Jarland - excellent pointer! -Original Message- From: Jarland Donnell via mailop To: Mailop Sent: Mi., 18 Jan. 2023 0:31 Subject: Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam [...] My first instinct in your position would be to use something like mail-tester.com to get

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One very obvious one I hit right away. You seem to be sending from @ccs.covici.com, and it has no SPF record: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#TXT/ccs.covici.com A good, solid SPF record is a bare minimum these days. Google is requiring it more than ever, and while the message they're giving you

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You visit mail-tester.com, copy the email address, send an email to it, and then wait about 15-30 seconds and click the button. It'll give you an overview. It's not perfect, but if your email has some very significant, avoidable problems it's an easy way to identify a few common ones. On

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OK, well, now I can't send even to a single gmail address. What is mail-tester.com --I have never used it? Is it a website? On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 18:20:09 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > On 2023-01-17 17:06, John Covici via mailop wrote: > > Still broke for me. > > I believe your

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On 2023-01-17 17:06, John Covici via mailop wrote: Still broke for me. I believe your issue was different from the one in this thread and best summarized by your message in that separate thread: On 2023-01-17 10:31, John Covici via mailop wrote: Hi. For some reason this morning, I am

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Still broke for me. On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:22:02 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > Just a +1 report for the sake of data. The only legitimate emails > I have in my spam folder at Gmail are from Inno Supps and > healthcare.gov. Inno Supps I get because of their products and, >

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Just a +1 report for the sake of data. The only legitimate emails I have in my spam folder at Gmail are from Inno Supps and healthcare.gov. Inno Supps I get because of their products and, therefore, their language is quite similar to standard spam campaigns. Healthcare.gov I get because,

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d as updates which previously >> were not. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Mark Alley via >> mailop >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2023 10:48 AM >> *To:* mailop@mailop.org >> *Subject:* Re: [mailop] g

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AM > *To:* mailop@mailop.org > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam > > > > > > Sorry - categories*, not labels. > > On 1/17/2023 9:43 AM, Mark Alley wrote: > > The labels in Gmail/workspace aren't the same as spam, they are part of

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@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam Sorry - categories*, not labels

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through PPE or O365. Something has definitely changed on Google’s side. *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Gellner, Oliver via mailop *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2023 10:15 AM *To:* mailop@mailop.org *Subject:* Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam On 2023-01-17 14:41, Paul Gregg

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. *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Gellner, Oliver via mailop *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2023 10:15 AM *To:* mailop@mailop.org *Subject:* Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam On 2023-01-17 14:41, Paul Gregg via mailop wrote: > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.

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o not go through PPE or O365. Something has definitely changed on Google's side. From: mailop On Behalf Of Gellner, Oliver via mailop Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 10:15 AM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam On 2023-01-17 14:41, Paul Gregg vi

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On 2023-01-17 14:41, Paul Gregg via mailop wrote: > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where most email is > placed directly into Spam folder. > So far we have dozens of customers reporting this. > Tested myself with full SPF, DKIM and DMARC with p=reject - which gmail >

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Ah, that is interesting. I checked with a few client PoD clusters I have access to and haven't noticed any spam filtering issues at the moment with consumer gmail accounts or workspace tenants. On 1/17/2023 9:05 AM, Paul Gregg wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 08:28:54AM -0600, Mark Alley via

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 08:28:54AM -0600, Mark Alley via mailop wrote: > Just to clarify - Do you mean from Proofpoint enterprise (PoD) customers or > Proofpoint essentials? I could definitely see essentials having this problem > as their IP space is shared amongst customers, but PoD clusters each

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A (wanted) notification from Google's Blogger service to me went to spam this morning, which is new and unique. But it talks about email auth, and spam, so I'm not 100% sure it's related. I'd love to see an example of this -- anybody affected, feel free to email me off list? This address

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Just to clarify - Do you mean from Proofpoint enterprise (PoD) customers or Proofpoint essentials? I could definitely see essentials having this problem as their IP space is shared amongst customers, but PoD clusters each individually have their own IPs that are separate from any other

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We too have been seeing this in the last 48 hours Only from clients sending out from Proofpoint though and Google is marking them as Spam for the reason "Blatant Spam"... when they are clearly not We have tickets open with all relevant providers (Proofpoint and Google) to see if we can

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Dnia 17.01.2023 o godz. 13:16:03 Paul Gregg via mailop pisze: > Heads up in case anyone else is experiencing this. > > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where > most email is placed directly into Spam folder. > > So far we have dozens of customers reporting this. > Tested

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 02:50:04PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > Just a wild guess based on experience - do those deliveries happen over IPv6? In this case, no. We* only have IPv4 throughout the stack - IPv6 is disabled everywhere. *Proofpoint Essentials I did think it might be TLS -

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 01:16:03PM +, Paul Gregg via mailop wrote: > Heads up in case anyone else is experiencing this. > > We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where > most email is placed directly into Spam folder. > > So far we have dozens of customers reporting this.

[mailop] gmail putting most messages into Spam

Heads up in case anyone else is experiencing this. We are aware of a recent change in behaviour of gmail.com where most email is placed directly into Spam folder. So far we have dozens of customers reporting this. Tested myself with full SPF, DKIM and DMARC with p=reject - which gmail itself