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2010-12-30 Thread Waistline2
The inquiry below was never responded to - to my knowledge, by the author advancing what seems to be a very individualized understanding of Marx concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat and the revolutionary process as it is unfolding in real time America. The strength of

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2010-12-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/22/2010 10:43:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankied...@yahoo.com writes: You misconstrue things that people say. This is NOT what I said. Comment Sorry, it was a slip of the tongue and miss reading on my part. Sorry. WL.

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2010-12-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/21/2010 7:31:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _frankied...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:frankied...@yahoo.com) writes: The Bourgeois State police kill a youth in NYC practically every week and get away with it. One day, I say, people are just gonna start shooting back.

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-22 Thread Mark Scott
If you think the October Revolution was not violent then I suggest it is you that does not draw the right lessons from history and should reinvestigate matters.  The October Revolution encompassed a variety of strategies but it was also extremely violent.   My so-called

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2010-12-22 Thread Mark Scott
Mr Jayaprakash,   You amaze me.  No where have I compared Stalin to Trotsky.  You are very adept at turning things upside down and on its head!   What do you think the dictatorship of the proletariat is?  Who do you think wrote about the dictatorship of the proletariat?  Do you think this is my

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2010-12-22 Thread frankenstein580
The only one who continues blabbing about extermination is you.  You are causing trouble. --- On Wed, 12/22/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:05:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankied...@yahoo.com writes: The only one who continues blabbing about extermination is you. You are causing trouble. Comment You are factually mistaken. I DID NOT RAISE THE QUESTION. Do you suggest I raised the

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2010-12-22 Thread frankenstein580
  I'm telling your clearly, Mr.,  that YOU keep bringing up the issue of extermination.  And that YOU are causing trouble here on this LIST. --- On Wed, 12/22/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:13:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankied...@yahoo.com writes: I'm telling your clearly, Mr., that YOU keep bringing up the issue of extermination. And that YOU are causing trouble here on this LIST. Reply This is simply not true. I did not

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2010-12-22 Thread frankenstein580
...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 3:18 PM In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:13:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  frankied

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2010-12-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:29:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankied...@yahoo.com writes: I see quite clearly that you keep raising an issue that should be squashed already. Mark Scott has been making himself quite clear already about what he really meant by his statement. If you

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2010-12-22 Thread frankenstein580
...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 3:35 PM In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:29:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  frankied

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-22 Thread Mark Scott
demonstrated to me to be a defender of Marxism Leninism and of the working class, and therefore I support him.  f580 --- On Wed, 12/22/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating

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2010-12-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:53:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankied...@yahoo.com writes: There was class war during the Bolshevik uprising, and there was class war during war communism. It is the Imperialists and not members of this list who practice terrorism. It is YOU and not

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2010-12-22 Thread frankenstein580
, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 5:43 PM In a message dated 12/22/2010 6:53:08 P.M

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2010-12-22 Thread Jayaprakash ND
Dear Mark Scott, Please let us not start distributing certificates to each other regarding our understanding of Marxism; that is just a pointless exercise. You say you have not compared Stalin with Trotsky. That is why I requested you to re-read what you had written. I merely tried to interpret

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2010-12-21 Thread Jayaprakash ND
continually attempts. Fraternally Mark Scott --- On Mon, 12/20/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Monday

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-21 Thread Waistline2
In the history of the international communist movement there exist NO literature advocating the violent extermination of a class. There is NOTHING in Marx, Engel's, Lenin, Stalin or Mao where as individuals or representatives of a party and class, these leader advocate or call for the

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2010-12-21 Thread Mark Scott
Comrade Jayaprakash:    You stated:   Kindly do not make a fetish out of violence by reproducing quotes that are totally out of context; those quotes were made at a certain time in history and under certain specific circumstances. Please note that State is the embodiment of violence and that

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2010-12-21 Thread Mark Scott
Melvin states:   One can only kill individuals constituting a class and their place is  immediately taken by new people until changes in the productive forces are  sufficient to render the class obsolete in the first place. Old classes are  overthrown and liquidated from history as society

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2010-12-21 Thread Mark Scott
Comrade Slavyanski,   Thank you for your defense of Marxism-Leninism wherein you replied to Melvin's intentional distortion of Marxism in his slanderous attempt to assassinate my character which is nothing new if one views the archives.  This repugnant attack took the form of classical

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2010-12-21 Thread frankenstein580
wrote: From: Mark Scott mark1scot...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 12:10 PM Comrade Jayaprakash:    You stated:   Kindly do not make a fetish out of violence

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-21 Thread frankenstein580
Dear  comrade Scott[y] Well. the cat's got my tongue.  What can I say.   You've said it all.  Bravo Scotty!! Bravo, Bravo!!  The Bourgeois State police kill a youth in NYC practically every week and get away with it.  One day, I say,  people are just gonna start shooting back. Now,

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-21 Thread Mark Scott
Comrade f580,   Thank you for your words although I don't consider myself an eloquent or even a good writer to be honest with you.   I do not intend to argue with you as I appreciate not just your support but your enthusiasm as a Marxist revolutionary dedicated to the preservation and

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-21 Thread Jayaprakash ND
Dear Mark Scott, I would again request you to draw the right lessons from history. You seem to give undue emphasis on violence as though revolutions are won through violence. What role did violence play in the historical February Revolution and the October Revolution of 1917? What are Soviets?

[MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-20 Thread Waistline2
I denounce the statement below advocating the violent extermination of people/classes, and consider such advocacy political terrorism, unacceptable to a discussion list such as this. I have no connection with or anything to do with individuals advocating extermination - in this case

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-20 Thread Kale Moshaaver
Doesn't Marx say that the only War is Class War?   How do you expect to win a war for the Worker? --- On Mon, 12/20/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist

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2010-12-20 Thread Waistline2
...@aol.com) _waistli...@aol.com_ (mailto:waistli...@aol.com) Subject: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: _marxist-leninist-l...@lists.econ.utah.edu_ (mailto:marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu) Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 3:10 PM I denounce the statement

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-20 Thread frankenstein580
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:27 PM I do not understand

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2010-12-20 Thread Mark Scott
: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 8:27 PM I do not understand the questions below in the context of the statement  produced. Please explain or reformulate. Advocacy of extermination

Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .

2010-12-20 Thread J. Slavyanski
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote: From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . . To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 1:27 PM I do not understand