: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.
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On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM
Posted Nov 5 when y'all were talking about hitches.
Wilton
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From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
In 201 when I, bought friend's '81
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
In 201 when I, bought friend's '81 300D, I stopped by Auto Zone one
day to
see what sort of trailer hitches they might have - not that they
might
have
one made for an '81 300D, but that I
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:13:37 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble
rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
What program did you use to draw that?
QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.
I wondered if I recognized the type
http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails
--R
On 11/9/12 10:21 AM, Craig wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:13:37 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble
rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
What program did you use to draw that?
QCad,
On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:30:03 -0500 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
http://www.123dapp.com/design#designDownloadDetails
Now I'll have to get virtualbox running so I can run the Windows
application
Craig
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:47:51 -0500 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I couldn't figure out how to pass the blinker signal through to
the trailer and at the same time send the brake signal through to
the other light without using a relay for each brake light signal
and one for each blinker
On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
BTW, do you have an explanation of the various terminal numbers:
30
85
86
87
87a
?
86 is A1 (Armature 1 or coil+)
85 is A2 (Armature 2 or coil-)
30 is common for the NO or NC (normally open or normally closed)
Contacts
Kaleb, Another one for the quotes page!
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
BTW, do you have an explanation of the various terminal numbers:
30
85
86
87
87a
?
86 is
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:26:40 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three
relays to do that.
Sure. Give me a little time to do it.
Here it is.
Craig
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:47:51 -0500 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I couldn't figure out how to pass the blinker signal through to
the trailer and at the same time send the brake signal through to
the other light without using
On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three
relays to do that.
Sure. Give me a little time to do it.
Here it is.
What program did you use to draw that?
Rick
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Yeah, looks like I got turned around on the 87 and 87a. Sorry
about that.
Manfred
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An un-educated rube with little post HS education who just answered
a question from a nuclear physicist. Maybe I'm not so dumb after all.
(don't tell my teenaged sons)
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Knowledge is knowledge.
The advantage of getting a PhD from a good university (and they are
not all good, nor all all PhDs) is that you KNOW that the person with
one has proven that they can define an question and answer it well
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with
the j style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should
probably come with it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what
you find. Prob up to $75
The numbers are standard euro terminal numbers on the relays. Same
as the numbers on the ones in mercedes service manual.
30= + power
85 + 86 are the coil connections. I don't think it matters which is
grnd and which is the + signal from the car's lights.
87 is NC
87a is NO
The power from
.
e., gravity and tree limbs. Please don't quit your day job to take up tree
cutting.
Wilton
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
wrote:
What program did you use to draw that?
QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.
I was going to use gEDA, which includes a schematic capture program, as I
did at work, but I didn't have it installed on my home computer
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Here it is.
Craig
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That's awesome, thanks!
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Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:26:40 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
Could you do me a quick drawing of how to hook up the three
relays to do that.
Sure. Give me a little time to
Craig wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:08:48 -0600 Rick Knoble
rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
What program did you use to draw that?
QCad, a 2-D mechanical drafting program.
I wondered if I recognized the type face. QCad is another dandy
program - but any CAD program is daunting for
the standard relays but have no clue as to
where to get this or how much it would cost. Do you have any clue on
that.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:40:28 -0700
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Here it is.
Craig
Craig wrote:
Here it is.
MG wrote:
AH. I see. But that or those, I can't tell, is/are not
standard automotive relays. I have the standard relays but
have no clue as to where to get this or how much it would
cost. Do you have any clue on that.
Those relays can be any DPDT
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:39:24 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:
BrakeTurnTrailer Lamp
00 0
01 1
10 1
11 0
Standard XOR logic
Or a TTL chip driven by a three-terminal regulator and voltage
converters, but relays would be more rugged.
There's a reason that 4000-series CMOS is still
in use, even 40 years after its introduction.
No regulator, no voltage converters. You'd need
one 4070 XOR and a Darlington relay driver,
a quick drawing of how to hook up the three
relays to do that.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:24:56 -0700
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:13:00 -0500 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I am going to build a combiner made
What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give you the
design concept.
Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball, you're done.
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
tow hitch or wagon?
What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give you the
design concept.
Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw bar with ball, you're
done.
--
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Charleston SC
'95
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:48:08 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
instructions, then you'll have pictures and rough diagrams to give you
the design concept.
Trust me, three pieces SF steel, a receiver, draw
I am in contact with a guy in Orlando who has several for a
sedan. I'm going down there to look at some other stuff for me so
if you want me to see how good they are and possibly get you one
let me know as well as how much you want to spend. Yeah I know
free would be good but probably won't
Amen brother Ben.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:02:38 -0600
From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
MG wrote:
I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are
talking about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the
floor is in a sedan
Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with the j
style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should probably come with
it? Seems like Oris is a good brand. Let me know what you find. Prob up to $75
but less would be better!
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On Nov 6,
Even if it doesn't have a wiring harness, they are easy to do.
On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style with the j
style hook. I'm not sure about the harness but that should probably come with
it? Seems like
cruise, worked normally on the 123, with or without trailer.
Wilton
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From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Even if it doesn't have
WILTON wrote:
Re. wiring harness: On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights,
signal lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the
hitch. 'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so
little for several years, that I still haven't done it on 124. BTW,
Sorry typo, should be three pieces of steel.
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:48:08 -0500 Max Dillon
meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
instructions,
Perfect picture, but is that euro?
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:48:08 -0500 Max Dillon
meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
What you need is to look in the EPC and get the factory installation
instructions, then you'll
Max Dillon wrote:
Perfect picture, but is that euro?
Sure looks like the euro hitch with integrated 50mm ball to me.
All the USA market hitches I've seen have balls on threaded shafts that bolt on
to a tongue or ball mount.
Mitch.
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:02:47 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
How do you handle the issue of separate brake and turn lamps on the car
vs combined stop/turn lamps on the trailer?
I added a separate light on each side for the turn signals on our trailer.
Now we have a Big Red Van (BRV
Thanks for correcting me guys.
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Amen brother Ben.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:02:38 -0600
From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
MG wrote:
I think Max is talking
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So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro
hitch to bumper mounts?
If I were to find some euro bumpers would
, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
WILTON wrote:
Re. wiring harness: On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, signal
lights, etc., in trunk for a trailer receptacle mounted by the hitch.
'Planned to do same for 124, but I've needed the trailer so little for
several
Simple little device called a taillight converter takes care of that.
Available anywhere towing accessories are sold.
Mike
On Nov 6, 2012 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
WILTON wrote:
Re. wiring harness: On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights, signal
lights, etc., in
Yeah, but doesn't it sound like it would be fun to have an extra light
back there like Wilton has?
Or, you could get some used tail lights from another MB and install them
so that they matched the car.
Randy
On 06/11/2012 5:47 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
Simple little device called a
for the shipping.
We'll see, I'll let you know.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:14:18 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Yes Manfred, that would be good. I'm interested in the euro style
with the j style hook. I'm not sure about the harness
trailer at any time it will kill the electronics in that unit and
there goes $20.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:02:47 -0500
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
WILTON wrote:
Re. wiring harness: On my 123, I merely spliced into rear lights,
signal
That's what I would like to find or one by Curt (I think). It
fastens to the bumper attach points also. Only problem is it is
way to expensive so I may be making my own.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:14:37 -0500
From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch
emailing that the items are all off the cars and the
rest of vehicle is no longer with us.
I'm hoping for about $50, that would leave $25 for the shipping. We'll see,
I'll let you know.
Manfred
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:14:18 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:19:09 -0800 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com
wrote:
OK, I.m confused. Is there a real Fleabay, or is it just a term for
Ebay to make it interesting (like when we write stealership)?
The latter.
Craig
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:13:00 -0500 MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am going to build a combiner made of 4 relays to combine the
brake and blinker lights. This will be wired into the wires from
the car lights to the trailer plug.
In looking at the problem, I figured out how to do it with
: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
In 2001 when I, bought friend's '81 300D, I stopped by Auto Zone one day
to
see what sort of trailer hitches they might have - not that they might
have
one made for an '81 300D, but that I may be able to see what they had to
help me with ideas for fabricating my
BrakeTurnTrailer Lamp
00 0
01 1
10 1
11 0
Standard XOR logic function. You could consider
digital logic ($1 PIC?) driving one relay.
-- Jim
Ditto Loren and Clay, get a light duty hitch installed, find a cheap light
utility trailer. If you're only hauling a few hundred pounds, that car will do
just fine.
--
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm starting to realize more and
trailers are actually kind of sought after and this one seems
pretty good.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:12:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
Message-ID:
1352088771.1776
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger
items. The 240D is not cutting itas it is. Is it realistic to put a tow
hitch on such an underpowered vehicle. I'm not talking about
Curt Raymond wrote:
My 190D has a trailer hitch, its bolted to the trunk floor. If I were going to
tow any amount with it I'd reinforce with a big plate in the trunk. I've used
the 190D a couple times to shuffle my snowmobile trailer around, its way more
handy than the pickup. I've never
Hi Dimitri,
As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around
a light, I say again, light trailer. When I was looking for trailer
hitches for my daughter's Volvo 240DL wagon, I came across a couple
of european style receiver hitches. They are nice in that when you
are not
If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
Hi Dimitri,
As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a light,
I say again, light trailer. When I was looking for trailer hitches for my
daughter's Volvo
I want it to look right! Where do I get a German hitch?
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On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
If you want it to look 'right', then get a german hitch.
On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
Hi Dimitri,
As everyone says, your 240 will not
I'm looking forward to what's behind the barn! Should be back in a few days.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
Hi Dimitri,
As everyone says, your 240 will not have any problem hauling around a light, I
say again, light trailer. When I was
German hitch won't fit unless your car is euro. I had a euro 123 wagon, small
bumpers, and sourced a used euro hitch for it. Euro hitch attaches at bumper
points, US-spec cars have different bumper attach points, so euro hitch won't
fit unless you also get euro bumpers and convert your car.
I have a euro hitch for my W124 wagon... its awesome. Rated for 1900 or
2100 kg... I forget which.
I'd really like to try towing something that heavy just to see how it
behaves, but the most I've done is a few hundred pounds.
Jaime
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Dieselhead
Same here, but mine is rated for 1700 kg. I use it to tow my sailboat, which
is between 2000 and 2500 pounds. Tows just fine, as long as the boat is way
forward so the tongue weight is sufficient.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk. I made my own with two flat plates of steel
sandwiched between the bumper mounts and the body with a piece of heavy
duty 1.5 channel iron running across to each of them for a support for a 2
inch
So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk floor and euro hitch to
bumper mounts?
If I were to find some euro bumpers would they just bolt on? If not is the
conversion easy?
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
German hitch won't
Is your 124 wagon euro?
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On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a euro hitch for my W124 wagon... its awesome. Rated for 1900 or
2100 kg... I forget which.
I'd really like to try towing something that heavy just to see how it
behaves,
This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
I found hitches for my w123 on the market were cheasy and only mounted to
the floor of the trunk. I made my own with two flat
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3373809244.html
On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my own.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
I found
Nope... the bumper setup is the same between US and Europe.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:
Is your 124 wagon euro?
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On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a euro hitch for my W124
There was a factory hitch for the W123, surely someone has a copy
lying about. I have one on the old W108, but I'm sure it won't fit.
Peter
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No idea, but I suspect not easy/cheap. You'd need to do a side-by-side
comparison with a euro car to really find out, unless someone else has BTDT.
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Charleston SC
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'87 300TD
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
So the American hitch attaches to sheetmetal trunk
The factory hitch bolts to the support members under the floor of the
trunk. Holes are already there, it's a standard frame hitch. A
bumper hitch won't work.
Any place that makes custom hitches should be able to work one up for
you.
Peter
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clay monroe wrote:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/3373809244.html
Looks like the 1 1/4 hitch that Curt Mfg sells for the 210 wagon, but in 2.
Curt's sedan hitch is different, bolts to the bottom of the spare tire well.
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THAT is a good idea! I would have considered that if I had your talent and
tools.
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'95 E300
'87 300TD
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
This interests me. Can you send pics? Maybe I should just weld up my
own.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at
Looks very similar to both my euro hitches (123 124). Short arms go inside
car, parallel to direction of travel, in or near uni-body rails for lack of a
better term.
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
-0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
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So the American hitch
Nov 2012 13:17:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D tow hitch or wagon?
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On second thought it looks a bit complicated especially since I don't have one
to copy!
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
THAT is a good idea! I would have considered that if I had your talent and
tools.
--
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MG wrote:
I think Max is talking about the hitch on a wagon and you are
talking about one on a sedan. The one that attaches to the
floor is in a sedan and the bumper attach point one is on a
station wagon, as far as I have seen anyway.
That's because what's the floor in the sedan is a fuel
I'm starting to realize more and more that I need a means to transport larger
items. The 240D is not cutting itas it is. Is it realistic to put a tow hitch
on such an underpowered vehicle. I'm not talking about towing anything really
heavy here. Maybe a couch or a washer or something like
A coleman versatrailer is light and quite handy. For what you are
mentioning, it would be ideal. Very versatile.
Any reputable trailer hitch place should be able to install a hitch.
1 1/4 receiver is a good size, but they rarely stay removable. My
van had one and it took a lot of beating
You should be able to get a hitch in there. It would likely be mounted under
the trunk, straddling the fuel tank and bolted to the sheet metal of the trunk.
U-haul shop figures it out. My sister had one added to her 1999 volvo wagon
this summer for about $400. Might need all of a 1.5 ball,
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