yes, very erudite and stimulating.
Not to veer off topic, but does anyone have experience with tankless hot
water systems ( whole house) ?
On Jan 20, 2014 11:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
I really appreciate the good minds on this forum.. great bunch of folks.
Thanks,
yes, very erudite and stimulating.
I investigated them for business use. For the throughput we needed,
it would take 20 of them in series/parallel. I talked directly with
the engineers for the ones made in USA. What they suggested was
using tankless to preheat water to a tank type.
Dieselhead wrote:
What the home shows on the telly show that they do to offset this is to
keep hot water circulating constantly through the whole 5-10,000 sq ft
house. Hardly energy efficient. Again, it offsets the perceived
savings, and probably more than negates it.
I can guarantee that
I know a couple of people who have done the electric tankless, neither of which
are happy with it.
Have you looked at the hybrid tank heaters? That's the way I'm going when I
need my next water heater.
They are essentially a heat pump that draws heat from the ambient air and use
it to heat
Dan Penoff wrote:
I know a couple of people who have done the electric tankless, neither of which
are happy with it.
The power factor on an electric tank heater is usually about .92, so they figure
8% of the cost is heat loss from the storage tank. If the tankless is at all
annoying to use,
I am currently using gas fired tankless water heaters in both the motorhome
and at the ranch house. Now that I have them, I love them.
In each case, ignition is triggered by a piezeo electric turbine which
lights the burner as soon as water flow is sensed. No pilot light required.
It only makes
Dan Penoff wrote:
I know a couple of people who have done the electric tankless,
neither of which are happy with it.
The power factor on an electric tank heater is usually about .92, so
they figure 8% of the cost is heat loss from the storage tank. If
the tankless is at all annoying to use,
I am currently using gas fired tankless water heaters in both the motorhome
and at the ranch house. Now that I have them, I love them.
In each case, ignition is triggered by a piezeo electric turbine which
lights the burner as soon as water flow is sensed. No pilot light required.
It only makes
GE had some good white papers on their use in such environments on their web
site a couple of years ago. Like a regular heat pump, ambient air temperature
will have a direct effect on efficiency. A lot of users north of the
Mason-Dixon Line installed them in conditioned areas, thereby
yes, very erudite and stimulating.
And some who use fancy words
Some who prefer the small of gasoline in the morning.
Some who love the smell of a good Diesel in the morning!
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I spent a weekend in a cabin with one. Could have been a house, but location
made it cabin. Three bed, two bath. Full size kitchen with all appliances.
The thing was undersized and you had to space usage. Since it was all cold
water flowing in, when another person used the water, you got a
Dieselhead wrote:
The gas co technician that came to my daughter's house told her the
best/most cost effective water heaters are the old ones and she should do
everything she can to keep it going.
Does the same advice hold true for electric hot water tank? If so,
please tell me where to
Grant wrote:
With the
motorhome, a 10 gallon hot water tank type was about the limit size wise..
Ah... so you're the guy with the million$ motorhome.
mao
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Only according to the ex wife's lawyer...
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
Grant wrote:
With the
motorhome, a 10 gallon hot water tank type was about the limit size
wise..
Ah... so you're the guy with the million$ motorhome.
mao
The things are really good for on demand, point of use. I have a very long run
from the water cooker to the master bath. For a few years I used a circulating
pump, but that just made the cold water warm, and it still took a few minutes
for reasonably hot water to show up. Best solution would
On 21/01/2014 4:40 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
The gas co technician that came to my daughter's house told her the
best/most cost effective water heaters are the old ones and she should do
everything she can to keep it going.
Does the same advice hold true for electric hot water
Mountain Man wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
The gas co technician that came to my daughter's house told her the
best/most cost effective water heaters are the old ones and she should do
everything she can to keep it going.
Does the same advice hold true for electric hot water tank? If so,
please
On 21/01/2014 5:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Mountain Man wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
The gas co technician that came to my daughter's house told her the
best/most cost effective water heaters are the old ones and she
should do
everything she can to keep it going.
Does the same advice hold true
Mountain Man wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
The gas co technician that came to my daughter's house told her the
best/most cost effective water heaters are the old ones and she should do
everything she can to keep it going.
I don't think it holds true for anything, unless he's saying a low
end
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 09:31:10 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hey, it wasn't that long after all. I do want to tip the hat to Grant,
Craig and Larry for being civil with this, something that seems
altogether to rare in the current public discourse.
Thank you.
I have been
At 8+ pounds per gallon, a large storage water heater would be a problem in
a motor home on the move.
Grant wrote:
With the
motorhome, a 10 gallon hot water tank type was about the limit size wise..
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At 8+ pounds per gallon, a large storage water heater would be a problem in
a motor home on the move.
Grant wrote:
With the
motorhome, a 10 gallon hot water tank type was about the limit size
'Hope it goes well.
Wilton
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:30:06 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
'Hope it goes well.
Thanks, Wilton.
I have been off preparing for teaching tomorrow, more a job than I
expected because I'm essentially starting from scratch and don't even
have a copy of the textbook!
I'll not
On Jan 19, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
Enough for now. I need to let my blood pressure come back down.
Quite eloquently put. It's pleasing to hear an argument from a gentleman who is
learned, articulate, and wise. That is an uncommon combination of traits that
Well said, thank you.
Following that same line of fact based logic. The host organism for the new
life, in this case the woman's womb, supplys both food and safe environment
for this new life to develop. Following that line of thought, post birth,
this same new life requires both food and safe
Just a further thought.
Someone do the math on this please. Presumed living population of USA via
last census is 312 million... reported abortions post Rowe v Wade is 58
million.
What, in real percentage, does that represent to the population?
To the work force?
To the number of males v female
Craig / Grant,
Two men arguing about women's rights regarding abortion. What's wrong with
this picture? Maybe we should do root cause analysis. All or at least men with
lack of control / responsibility issues should all be given a vasectomy. That
way you won't have all the unwanted cell
to Grant, Craig
and Larry for being civil with this, something that seems altogether to rare in
the current public discourse.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:22:54 -0700
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I don't understand gay rights because I don't understand discrimination. I
don't
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:01:02 +
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All or at least men with lack of control / responsibility issues should all be
given
Rick wrote:
That is an uncommon combination of traits that this list has more of gathered
in one forum than most, I suppose.
...
If the war on poverty broke up the AA family, you can bet you last dollar,
someone had the foresight to plan it that way.
The kudos are nice. But I suspect
Grant wrote:
Then comes the question: If those same 58,000,000 individuals were now
working taxpayers, what impact would that have on the Social Security Trust
Fund ? Would their incomes and payments support the crushing national
debt? Pay for social programs? Contribute to the production of
Roger,
Thank you, point well made. However, to date, it still requires the male
contribution to make life happen. Frankly, I'm insulted that the woman's
movement has selectively excluded the male from the process. If the child
is taken to term and born.. that same sperm donor is held fully
Rick wrote:
All boy children on the planet get vasectomies soon after birth. All girl
children get tubes tied soon after birth.
For sure.
That is the way to end enjoyment of the highest order. The gamble is
part of the attraction.
mao
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Well said, thank you.
Following that same line of fact based logic. The host organism for the new
life, in this case the woman's womb, supplys both food and safe environment
for this new life to develop. Following that line of thought, post birth,
this same new life requires both food and safe
Rick wrote:
All boy children on the planet get vasectomies soon after birth. All girl
children get tubes tied soon after birth. Snip
Well.. that certainly answers ALL questions about what to get the
Grandchildren for Christmas..
Using the powers of logic , based on fact, I can see also it
I really appreciate the good minds on this forum.. great bunch of folks.
Thanks,
Grant...
Ayup
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I didn't realize you were in Charlotte. Did you
know thats the location for this years
International Coleman Collectors
Convention? http://intlccc.net/ICCC_convention/ICCC_convention.html
If you have extra time, and like wineries,
Burgdorf winery in Lansing is quite interesting.
She is a
Dieselhead wrote:
I didn't realize you were in Charlotte. Did you know thats the
location for this years International Coleman Collectors Convention?
http://intlccc.net/ICCC_convention/ICCC_convention.html
If you have extra time, and like wineries, Burgdorf winery in Lansing is
quite
Niagara peninsula has dozens of awesome wineries with tasting rooms.
Climate change is working in their favor, except perhaps for ice wines...
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
I didn't realize you were in Charlotte. Did you know thats the
Niagara peninsula has dozens of awesome wineries with tasting rooms.
Climate change is working in their favor, except perhaps for ice wines...
The whole land between the lakes in NY is a wino's paradise.
The colder winters have no influence on wine, other than perhaps
killing the vines of
You are a bigger idiot that I thought. It's CLIMATE CHANGE, not global
warming.
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Niagara peninsula has dozens of awesome wineries with tasting rooms.
Climate change is working in their favor, except perhaps for ice
The winter is not abnormally cold. It's just been an abnormally long
time since we had one. Siberia got all the cold last year, along with
central Europe, same deal the polar vortex dipped down on that side.
We used to get a cold blast at least once a winter every four or five
years,
You are a bigger idiot that I thought. It's CLIMATE CHANGE, not global
warming.
Nope the true believers are still claiming global warming. the ones
with some small touch to reality realized how stupid global warming
made the sound, so they change the religion to climate change
Fact is,
The winter is not abnormally cold. It's just been an abnormally
long time since we had one. Siberia got all the cold last year,
along with central Europe, same deal the polar vortex dipped down on
that side.
We used to get a cold blast at least once a winter every four or
five years, this
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
You are a bigger idiot that I thought. It's CLIMATE CHANGE, not global
warming.
As if it matters when the adherents rename the object of their affection.
Example:
It's GUN CONTROL, not ban handguns.
Then, ten years later:
It's GUN SAFETY, not gun control.
Mitch.
Verbal spin to hide the sin.
Progressive gay gun safety organizer sounds so less threatening than
Communist faggot seditious anti-constitutional atheist
We all just have to learn PC Speak and ignore the real threats... It will
be OK.. more government will protect us.
I'm mad as hell, and I
It's progressives, not socialists.
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Andrew Strasfogel
You used the f word (no, not THAT f word, the other one...). bad
GMan, BAD!
--R
On 1/19/14 3:01 PM, G Mann wrote:
Verbal spin to hide the sin.
Progressive gay gun safety organizer sounds so less threatening than
Communist faggot seditious anti-constitutional atheist
We all just have to
-0600
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Niagara peninsula has dozens
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think you're falling victim to the faulty logic you claim to be against.
This winter has had its cold times but here in MA last week was in the 50s almost every
day and it rained in buckets, same thing 3 weeks before. This has not been a particularly
hard winter. We've
In Obama-speak I apologize. It wasn't my fault, I didn't know, I didn't
get the memo. It was a Teleprompter misprint. As soon as we form a
committee to find who is at fault they will be held accountable, you can
count on that .. We'll probably find it was George Bush's fault
Compassion
, Just take away guns, that'll fix
everything.
Yeah right...
-Curt
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Verbal spin
You need to get edumacated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzx7d45XBEE
--R
On 1/19/14 3:38 PM, G Mann wrote:
In Obama-speak I apologize. It wasn't my fault, I didn't know, I didn't
get the memo. It was a Teleprompter misprint. As soon as we form a
committee to find who is at fault they will be
It's progressives, not socialists.
and before that they were communists. before that they were
communists. A hundred years ago they were progressives. Before
that they were marxists. Before that they were socialists. See any
pattern?
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I think you're falling victim to the faulty logic you claim to be against.
apples, oranges.
Maybe it has been warmer in your little corner, but there have been
more days below zero and more cold records set this year than ever
before.
The problem with all this is that temps have only been
them tend to become criminals...
-Curt
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:56:29 -0700
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to get crime rates rise. Its simple, babies
born to parents who don't want them tend to become criminals...
-Curt
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:56:29 -0700
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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The new term is SSSOP (Same Sex Sexually Oriented Person).
Gerry
On 1/19/2014 3:11 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
You used the f word (no, not THAT f word, the other one...). bad
GMan, BAD!
--R
On 1/19/14 3:01 PM, G Mann wrote:
Verbal spin to hide the sin.
Progressive gay gun safety organizer
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:56:08 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Ahh, I have severe doubts about this one. Sure self regenerating cells
but they're completely dependent upon the host. By this logic killing
anything is murder.
Yes, calling them self-regenerating cells is a
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