On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:00:56PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> There are very good reasons for not becoming a non-profit. Accounting
> wise it would NOT help the project. Non-profits with such a small
> amount of money are severely limited in what they can do. This
> question has been answered
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:16 +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
> Try
> to name at least one incentive for Alberta to fund a project where the
> financial benefits will largely be reaped outside of Alberta.
For a lot of people, OpenBSD has put Alberta on the map...
Cheers
Steffen.
Hi,
PLease do not forget the best way to help is to order ...
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This is what I can afford as a student. It's for the first time I
donate/buy anything from openbsd.org. I hope it helps a very little
bit
Roger Neth Jr wrote:
On 3/28/06, Daniel Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
[...]
unfortunately there is no real community around openbsd. at least
i dont see one -- one where there are people without cvs commit.
if you d
On 3/28/06, Daniel Walrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
> >
> > twice a year (or maybe more) when it comes to money issues, Theo and
> > the devs ask for donations, cd purchases. at the same time, people
> > are every once in a whil
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
>
> twice a year (or maybe more) when it comes to money issues, Theo and
> the devs ask for donations, cd purchases. at the same time, people
> are every once in a while reminded how "lucky" they are to use what
> the devs create sol
>Understand that OpenBSD does not want to become incorporated,
>because of the overheads involved, but I don't understand
>why Theo de Raadt does not apply for a "trade name"
>http://governmentservices.gov.ab.ca/cr/reg_bus_name.cfm
>Trade names cost $10cdn. With a trade name you can
>open a bank ac
Hi,
...
> It would be lot easier for a business to write a check
> to "OpenBSD" then to "Theo de Raadt".
look, it's really not about making it easier for some big "few letter
companies". If they would have been interested to donate they would've
done it. Making it easier might give some more mone
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:57:25PM +0200, Tobias Kirschstein wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:50:04 +0200
> Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Tobias Kirschstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-25 20:26]:
> > > > Maybe our friends of humppa.com will make a "Humppa OpenBSD
> > > > Support T
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:50:04 +0200
Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Tobias Kirschstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-25 20:26]:
> > > Maybe our friends of humppa.com will make a "Humppa OpenBSD
> > > Support Tour 2006" or add them to the 11 OpenBSD songs.
> >
> > ... as you mention it
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:56:14PM -0500, Peter Fraser wrote:
> In that case, OpenBSD should not ask for donations
> from business since it can not give a tax receipt,
[...]
I'm quite sure that, would the big players see the benefits giving
monetary support to OpenBSD, they would contact Theo and
Understand that OpenBSD does not want to become incorporated,
because of the overheads involved, but I don't understand
why Theo de Raadt does not apply for a "trade name"
http://governmentservices.gov.ab.ca/cr/reg_bus_name.cfm
Trade names cost $10cdn. With a trade name you can
open a bank account
OpenBSD is not going to become a charity because
of the overhead to the accounting involved. I
understand that.
In that case, OpenBSD should not ask for donations
from business since it can not give a tax receipt,
and further more if OpenBSD could give a charitable
tax receipt that tax receipt pr
-- Original message --
From: Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think I've got the solution, at last.
>
> We'll set up a webpage where people can submit all their excellent, wacky,
> off-the-wall, and tired ideas and suggestions for raising money ... and each
> submission
thus Timo Schoeler spake:
thus Stefan Olsson spake:
From: "Alexander Bochmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:29 PM
My guess is that especially (US-based) public companies don't want to
be seen associated with OpenBSD (by donating, for example), as they
fear damage to their
thus Stefan Olsson spake:
From: "Alexander Bochmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:29 PM
My guess is that especially (US-based) public companies don't want to
be seen associated with OpenBSD (by donating, for example), as they
fear damage to their business reputation from t
From: "Alexander Bochmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:29 PM
My guess is that especially (US-based) public companies
don't want to be seen associated with OpenBSD (by donating,
for example), as they fear damage to their business
reputation from that.
-Why? In what way wou
I think I've got the solution, at last.
We'll set up a webpage where people can submit all their excellent, wacky,
off-the-wall, and tired ideas and suggestions for raising money ... and each
submission will cost the submitter a pittance, only a couple of hundred
dollars. Part of that will pay for
...on Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 08:25:32AM +0100, Jurjen Oskam wrote:
> > There is no reason to provide funding from a business standpoint. What
> > does
> > the business gain?
> Does having a "business standpoint" require shutting off all common sense?
In todays world: Mostly. Modern businesses
On 2006-03-27 14:49:52 +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:35:05AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
> >And a quick Google search reveals that this is a.) a dead horse, b.) already
> >in place:
>
> >http://mailman.theapt.org/listinfo/openbsd-newbies
>
> This should be re
Wouldn't it be interesting to sell OpenSSH CD. I read the thread and
people are always talking about OpenBSD CD but It might be interesting
to sell OpenSSH CD (including sources, documentation and pre-builded
binaries for most popular platforms). I think the audiance is more
important.
I have done
Hello!
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:35:05AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
>And a quick Google search reveals that this is a.) a dead horse, b.) already
>in place:
>http://mailman.theapt.org/listinfo/openbsd-newbies
This should be referred to from http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
Systematica
* Tobias Kirschstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-25 20:26]:
> > Maybe our friends of humppa.com will make a "Humppa OpenBSD Support
> > Tour 2006" or add them to the 11 OpenBSD songs.
>
> ... as you mention it: an (maybe more funny) idea would be some benefit
> humppa concerts with e.g. Elaekelae
On Mar 25, 2006, at 6:19 PM, eric wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 16:38:55 -0700, Theo de Raadt proclaimed...
Jason, get real -- everyone is entitled to you doing work for free.
We do it. You must do it.
Everyone else on this mailing list works for free, didn't you know
that?
Communism is a gr
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 16:38:55 -0700, Theo de Raadt proclaimed...
> Jason, get real -- everyone is entitled to you doing work for free.
> We do it. You must do it.
>
> Everyone else on this mailing list works for free, didn't you know
> that?
>
> Communism is a great idea when all the slaves ar
Hi,
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:44:32 +0100
Oliver Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The songs are great - but like open{bsd,ssh} already at the public ftp
> servers. I don't think that there will be so many dudes who will pay
> for 9 old and only 2 new songs about 20-30 USD - even the artwork is
> g
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 03:15:27PM -0800, Brian wrote:
> There is no reason to provide funding from a business standpoint. What does
> the business gain?
Does having a "business standpoint" require shutting off all common sense?
Everytime someone mentions things like "business decision" or "bus
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thankless? you sir, are the most thankless project leader
i have ever seen in my life.
We thank with code. We don't come shower people with nice words.
We write code.
i have been advocating openbsd since the 2.6 times
and buying cds/shirts/po
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 03:15:27PM -0800, Brian wrote:
> I think
I doubt.
IMHO, this thread should die for now.
Byy CDs, donate, hack, clean up your refridgerator, whatever is
important for you.
Ciao,
Kili
"Copyright law is complex, OpenBSD policy is simple - OpenBSD strives to
maintain the spirit of the original Berkeley Unix copyrights."
This is the first sentence of this page: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html
Can't people see how ridiculous is all that talk about "why don't we change
the licen
--- "Spruell, Darren-Perot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Better approach. How about said companies belly up and support the group
> that enables them (in part) to enjoy the financial success they have?
Because there is no reason for them to. Here's what would happen:
1) license change comes ou
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Chet Uber wrote:
1. Read the damn FAQ's, newbies, and do a Google search on what you are
about to waste list bandwidth on. People on the project spend good time
getting this done for us.
2. Buy the CD, and quit bitching about it. For that matter be a good
neighbor and buy
> Realistically, I can't offer my services out for free at more than 8
> hours per customer. If someone wants to pay me above and beyond,
> with the extra funds earmarked for a donation to OpenBSD, I'll gladly
> pass the money on to the project.
Jason, get real -- everyone is entitled to yo
On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:15 PM, eric wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:59:31 -0500, Jason Dixon proclaimed...
Or the main page at http://www.dixongroup.net/?q=openbsd.
What about a "gold" bundle that is $1000 or more? I mean, money is
just
water to most corporations. If there's a legit product
* Michael Favinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-24 19:53]:
> 2) Lots of companies can't send money out until they "get a bill." There
> needs to be some way to generate a "donation invoice" that can be taken to
> accounting. We need to be able to present our accounting departments with
> paperwork
Finally having to weight in:
I personally and my company has been buying at least 2 copies of each
release and t-shirts for as long as I can remember. The store folks
do a great job, and the one time they mixed up an order they sent me
a T-shirt and a nice reply. Theo and many others have w
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:59:31 -0500, Jason Dixon proclaimed...
> Or the main page at http://www.dixongroup.net/?q=openbsd.
What about a "gold" bundle that is $1000 or more? I mean, money is just
water to most corporations. If there's a legit product, hell, they pay
anything for it.
James Mackinnon wrote:
If you do offer paypal for the stuff above, I will buy more frequently
as to do my part to help support the System I trust with my
systems/network security.
I will send a donation now as well as I can do that VIA paypal (won't be
large, but it will be a donation)
It'
On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Diana Eichert wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Kevin wrote:
SNIP
We can (and do) have the company purchase one copy of each release
CD set.
I might be able to convince them to go for Jason Dixon's offer (if
it's still valid), though it might need a little polishing to
ostings I can so I might
have missed some.
James Mackinnon
Devantec Solutions
- Original Message -
From: "Theo de Raadt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: openbsd and the money -solutions
I did no
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Kevin wrote:
SNIP
> We can (and do) have the company purchase one copy of each release CD set.
> I might be able to convince them to go for Jason Dixon's offer (if
> it's still valid), though it might need a little polishing to be
> buzzword-compliant.
Jason't offer is still a
On 3/24/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These are not people who want to give. They want to give
> without giving. They simply want to focus their money into
> being a writeoff, which means that our taxation systems
> increasingly place more and more of a burden on individuals,
> a
On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Kevin wrote:
We can (and do) have the company purchase one copy of each release
CD set.
I might be able to convince them to go for Jason Dixon's offer (if
it's still valid), though it might need a little polishing to be
buzzword-compliant.
If there is interest, t
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:29:19AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> That said, when 4.0 comes out there will likely be an audio CD made of
> all 11 of the songs, with artwork to match, sold seperately.
The songs are great - but like open{bsd,ssh} already at the public ftp
servers. I don't think that
ments with
paperwork that says something to the effect of "We owe OpenBSD $1000."
-Original Message-
From: Theo de Raadt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Peter Fraser
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: OpenBSD and the money
We have nowhere to start. Alberta does not care about what we do.
This is an oil place, not a IT place.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Why don't we have separate lists? One for general questions,
> and gently
> guiding new users to the FAQ and man pages? It can be all fuzzy and
> warm; a place for pleasantries. And a separate list for more
> experienced
> users that want to dwell in the lair of dr
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > That said, I think a wall of shame page on the OpenSSH site
> > might be a good idea: one listing all those big companies
> > mentioned that have never donated a dime. Negative PR might
> > result in more donations than managers receiving the minor
> > annoyance message
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:17:42PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/OpenBSD_needs_a_major_donor
> > http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1555243
> >
> > No one seems to care (unless donations have shot up and Theo, et. al.
> > haven't mentioned it)
>
> >Fr
On 3/24/06, Ryan Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is quite a conflict between the core developers that don't wish to
> spend their time nicely holding newbies' hands (frankly, I don't want
> them to spend their time on that either), and the touchy-feely people
> that think OpenBSD would pr
On 2006/03/24 15:13, Pedro Timsteo wrote:
> Or, like someone suggested a couple of weeks ago:
>
> "OpenBSD Enterprise Edition": it's exactly the same software, but comes
> on 20 (mostly empty) CDs, and costs 100 times as much. :)
Same CD set, booklet turned around to display a boring
alternative
> > I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
> > about.
>
> My guess is that it's not about the tax deduction in
> itself (although that certainly helps), it's about
> the receipt.
>
> Companies very much like to generate a proper paper
> trail when they hand out
On 3/24/06, chefren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Demand something like $50 a year for access to the ftp.openbsd.org now!!!
great idea. that's $50 from ibm, $50 from sun, $50 from redhat, and
$50 from apple. $200 sounds about right to cover all the expenses.
in case the project ends up using a l
> > So it's probably easier to get a company
> > to order a few hundred CDs instead of a donation.
>
> By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
> developers for $9000 might just be the thing
> to add to the store. :)
After it costs $8500 to get it Fedex'd back and forth all over the
worl
On 3/24/06, frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Anyone who has ever decided not to go back to a resturaunt
> that has good food because of shitty service is in the same
> boat here."
>
Everyone uses OpenSSH so that's a stupid analogy or everyone's a hypocrite.
Anyway, the service is f
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Pedro Timsteo wrote:
Alexander Bochmann wrote:
..on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
> So it's probably easier to get a company > to order a few
hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core d
Hi!
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 11:20:19AM -0500, Ryan Fox wrote:
>Why don't we have separate lists? One for general questions, and gently
>guiding new users to the FAQ and man pages? It can be all fuzzy and
>warm; a place for pleasantries. And a separate list for more experienced
>users that wan
On 2006/03/24 11:20, Ryan Fox wrote:
> Why don't we have separate lists? One for general questions, and gently
> guiding new users to the FAQ and man pages?
Like misc@ and http://mailman.theapt.org/listinfo/openbsd-newbies, you mean?
Hi!
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
>...on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 01:42:48PM +0100, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
> > I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
> > about.
>My guess is that it's not about the tax deduction in
>itself (althou
(I'm so sorry that I'm continuing this thread...)
There is quite a conflict between the core developers that don't wish to
spend their time nicely holding newbies' hands (frankly, I don't want
them to spend their time on that either), and the touchy-feely people
that think OpenBSD would progre
Alexander Bochmann wrote:
..on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
> So it's probably easier to get a company
> to order a few hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
developers for $9000 might just be the thing
to add t
"Andris Delfino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Don't do that, that is extortion.
Well, it needn't be so severe. It could simply be an addition
to the users page ( http://www.openssh.org/users.html ) with
parenthetical notes such as:
( has donated to the project -- thank you. )
next to those
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, mickey wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 06:43:27AM -0700, Diana Eichert wrote:
SNIP
> > Lot's of money flowing from the US Gov't Dept of Defense?
>
> and big companies...
sorry Mickey, but I've been involved with DOD & DOE ( and it's
predecessors) for almost 25 years.
UC get
--- Deanna Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That said, I think a wall of shame page on the OpenSSH site
> might be a good idea: one listing all those big companies
> mentioned that have never donated a dime. Negative PR might
> result in more donations than managers receiving the minor
> an
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 06:43:27AM -0700, Diana Eichert wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, mickey wrote:
> SNAP
> > sorry dude but you are full of shit.
> > for example from history:
> > how do you think bsd was developped originally at the ucb?
> >
> > cu
> >
> > --
> > paranoic mickey (my em
Don't do that, that is extortion. If you don't want to make OpenBSD
free-as-in-freedom, but not free-as-in-beer; well, there is another
thing that might help. Companies will only donate if they gain
something, not just code, I'm talking about money.
I'm not a legal guy, but: isn't there a way to m
...on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
> So it's probably easier to get a company
> to order a few hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
developers for $9000 might just be the thing
to add to the store. :)
Alex.
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, mickey wrote:
SNAP
> sorry dude but you are full of shit.
> for example from history:
> how do you think bsd was developped originally at the ucb?
>
> cu
>
> --
> paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has
> remained)
Lot's of money flowing from th
...on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 01:42:48PM +0100, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
> I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
> about.
My guess is that it's not about the tax deduction in
itself (although that certainly helps), it's about
the receipt.
Companies very much like t
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:10:36AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
> As I have said before, BSD was the unique Unix-like operative system
> with a ISC-style license. That's why, IMHO, companies invested in it.
they supported it because they used it for their own product.
so what has changed in 'em no
...on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 02:20:08PM -0500, Peter Fraser wrote:
> I recognize that government grants come with red-tape, and people are
> often disdainful of taking "hand-outs". In this case, however, I'd
> think the pros outweigh the cons. Don't you have a wish-list of things
> you'd imple
On 03/24/06 13:54, Damien Miller wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, chefren wrote:
Demand something like $50 a year for access to the ftp.openbsd.org now!!!
You are suggesting that we screw the people who have contributed by far
the most to OpenBSD and OpenSSH, individual users and small organisat
Ryan Flannery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I really hate prolonging this thread, but I'm curious about the
> following... I've done quite bit of contract work around my area, and
> in most cases I've been able to implement OpenBSD for something.
> Whenever that's happened, I've always pushed for
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 09:36:01AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
> It was the unique Unix-like OS with that licence. Right now, there are
> tons of other systems. Companies want to invest in Linux-based
> systems, because of marketing.
what are you smoking dude?
what unique?
there was not att unix
As I have said before, BSD was the unique Unix-like operative system
with a ISC-style license. That's why, IMHO, companies invested in it.
On 3/24/06, Damien Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Andris Delfino wrote:
>
> > Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Andris Delfino wrote:
> Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't work that
> way. To develop an OS under a licence like the ISC has a big hole:
> funding. You can't just go: Hey, you use the implementation that I
> develop and give away for free, you should pa
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, chefren wrote:
> Demand something like $50 a year for access to the ftp.openbsd.org now!!!
You are suggesting that we screw the people who have contributed by far
the most to OpenBSD and OpenSSH, individual users and small organisations.
Not a very bright idea.
-d
Hi!
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 01:55:29PM -0500, Michael Hernandez wrote:
>I noticed that donations to OpenBSD "are not US tax deductible as
>charitable contribution".
I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
about.
If tax deduction means, for example, that you get 25%
It was the unique Unix-like OS with that licence. Right now, there are
tons of other systems. Companies want to invest in Linux-based
systems, because of marketing.
On 3/24/06, mickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:40:59AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
> > Please, stop want
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:40:59AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
> Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't work that
> way. To develop an OS under a licence like the ISC has a big hole:
> funding. You can't just go: Hey, you use the implementation that I
> develop and give away for
On 2006-03-24 12:10:37 +0100, chefren wrote:
> This is whining and it isn't very sure because you have no idea what
> alternatives for the free OpenSSH product would have cost.
They can happily use lsh.
Best
Martin
--
http://www.tm.oneiros.de
Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't work that
way. To develop an OS under a licence like the ISC has a big hole:
funding. You can't just go: Hey, you use the implementation that I
develop and give away for free, you should pay me!. If the pay you,
OK, if the don't, well, that'
On 03/24/06 04:17, Theo de Raadt wrote:
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/OpenBSD_needs_a_major_donor
http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1555243
..
These donations from individuals are really great. The community is
great. Thanks a lot.
But we know this is the wrong way to fund O
quote from the "openbsd and the money -solutions":
[quote]
> I offer to do the administration.
Who the fuck are you? Nobody, that's who.
[/quote]
Usual stuff on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Even if one does not agree with the suggestion, is that a way of
replying? The only thing it
Hello,
On Thu, 23.03.2006 at 16:26:04 -0500, Peter Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To get money from the government you have to work with
> professionals consultants. The good ones are expensive,
> but they do work on a contingency basis.
I don't agree, generally. This whole idea seems misb
I think, if we skip all the whinning, the one straight question from
Frantisek Holop which is not yet clarified is why devs makes so
cantradictory statements: "we do code FOR OURSELVES, AND if you like it, you
are free to use it" and "we THANK you with code (e.g. 'we code FOR YOU
instead of giving
hmm, on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:13:44PM +0100, frantisek holop said that
> hmm, on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:23:02AM -0700, Theo de Raadt said that
> > > it would be interesting to know about how MUCH money donated
> > > to the openbsd project you all are REALLY talking here...
> >
> > Sad, eh. 350
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Paul Greene wrote:
> Just another idea. Start making the mega-companies like IBM, RedHat,
> etc pay a license fee for the use of OpenSSH. They save literally
> millions of dollars incorporating this into their own products, and
> don't give anything back to the project.
No, w
>Just out of curiosity, why are you trying to take in money by nickels
>and dimes rather than obtaining research grants from the Alberta
>government?
>
>Alberta is rolling in cash, and has specifically stated it wants to
>invest in technological research so that it will be in a good position
>when
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 23:00:50 -0500, Paul Greene proclaimed...
> Just another idea. Start making the mega-companies like IBM, RedHat, etc
> pay a license fee for the use of OpenSSH. They save literally millions
> of dollars incorporating this into their own products, and don't give
> anything
Just another idea. Start making the mega-companies like IBM, RedHat, etc
pay a license fee for the use of OpenSSH. They save literally millions
of dollars incorporating this into their own products, and don't give
anything back to the project.
They won't give anything financially without it be
On 2006.03.24, at 5:23 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
http://openssh.com/usage/graphs.html
Wow, no wonder ssh.com spouts so much FUD. They are quickly
converging on extinction.
correction: no one with a great deal of money seems to care. ;)
I've been following the thread, and once I saw it on slashdot I got
off my lazy
ass and donated what little I could right now (more to come, but on a
grad
student salary, I can't donate what companies can).
I really hate prolo
> http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/OpenBSD_needs_a_major_donor
> http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1555243
>
> No one seems to care (unless donations have shot up and Theo, et. al.
> haven't mentioned it)
>From what I see, we have received a mini flood of donations, which
means there
On 3/23/06, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just an idea, but why not try to have this conversation linked to on
> slashdot / digg. There is huge traffic to these sites from the linux
> community, who all owe the OpenBSD developers for OpenSSH.
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Open
On 3/23/06, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just an idea, but why not try to have this conversation linked to on
> slashdot / digg. There is huge traffic to these sites from the linux
> community, who all owe the OpenBSD developers for OpenSSH.
yeah, the last time we tried that, way back
On 3/23/06, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just an idea, but why not try to have this conversation linked to on
> slashdot / digg. There is huge traffic to these sites from the linux
> community, who all owe the OpenBSD developers for OpenSSH.
>
Someone put it up on Slashdot Tue
Hi,
Just an idea, but why not try to have this conversation linked to on
slashdot / digg. There is huge traffic to these sites from the linux
community, who all owe the OpenBSD developers for OpenSSH.
Regards
Edd
Suggestions about how OpenBSD can get more funding are moot. They've
been beaten to death (the nerves of heavy misc goers can relate.)
It took me awhile to realize this, but suggestions--words and
thoughts--here are worthless. Theo and company don't need help
thinking, they obviously have shar
On 3/23/06, Roger Neth Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I'll also include Theo and OpenBSD in my daily prayers.
>
Has Theo and OpenBSD asked you for your prayers?
Greg
Matthew 19:12
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