Steve Wyles wrote:
Didn't we agree not to put non musical realationship?
If that was agreed, I didn't see the discussion and it wasn't
communicated to all users. As other non musical relationship link pairs
of a similar type already exist (involved with, married to, has sibling
etc), I can
Björn Krombholz wrote:
If there are only the live tracks on the DVD in a defined order it's
simple. Treat the DVD as it was a CD/LP/... release. I prefer to add
(DVD) to the title as a workaround until we are able to specify the
medium type.
hmmm, I can see adding it in an annotation but puttin
Matthew Exon wrote:
Woohoo, that's my patch! :-) The actual problem I was trying to solve
was preventing users entering zero or negative values there. I put in a
maximum just for the hell of it.
The reason I thought it was a bad idea to allow more than 99 tracks is
that the interface totally s
Björn Krombholz wrote:
I can see needing some guidelines for mixed music+other content ones.
We leave unrelated data tracks on CDs if they're before the music
because of how they're needed, but in the case of DVDs where we don't
have any MB utilities that work directly off the disc and it's so ea
Chris Bransden wrote:
Ah but proving actual artists intent is near impossible.
Depending on the musician:
-I have CDs where a member of the band drew the cover art and hand
lettered the liner so I feel confident it represents artist intent and
not done by the cover designer.
-I have tracks I
27;d bring it up.
Robert Kaye wrote:
On Dec 20, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Orion wrote:
Robert Kaye wrote:
A. Artists (mostly classical, but not asian -- please help me
define this properly) in a non-latin script will contain the
english- transliterated version of their name in the artist.name
Tarragon M. Allen wrote:
How about this?
A Collaboration (for the purposes of SG5 Disaster Relief) is defined as:
Two or more artists who work together to create a track and share in the
composition process of the music, and are credited together, but not as a
single entity such as a band nam
Björn Krombholz wrote:
On 1/12/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Any comments on this?
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SG5DisasterInTheMaking
Are people taking the concept of collaboration too far?
What about this difinition that someone proposed quite a while ago:
The only difference b
Björn Krombholz wrote:
So I (and I suppose, you as well) want a decision to be made on this.
We already have
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ExtraTitleInformationStyle. And the only
point affected by this discussion is the "Special Notes" section. Do
we keep it (and rephrase it, to show that "album v
Rod Begbie wrote:
Perhaps someone can give an example of a track where the vocal is
neither "Lead" nor "Background".
http://musicbrainz.org/track/5caf1751-a4fe-48fb-851f-7f6f78eb3f91.html
Song has 46 vocalists on it, none singing more than any other. They all
do the choruses together and ever
http://wmg.jp/artist/alanis/WPCR0.html
There's the discography entry on her Japanese label's site for the
album, it does indeed list Sister Blister as a bonus track along with
"Sorry to Myself" I'd consider it not a non-album track then.
And unlike a lot of English label sites, Japane
They go to the original artist. The dj-mixer would be in a seperate
%albumartist% field.
Chris Bransden wrote:
ahhh, yr right! forgot about that. still unclear about what happens
when you tag, say, a DJ mix album - do the tracks all get credited to
the DJ mixer, rather than the original artist
Don Redman wrote:
I have proposed a definition of release which has not been picked up.
I'd like some feedback on this:
A release is an event on a market.
A release is therefore defined by the combination of a date and a
descriptor of the market.
The difficulty lies in defining markets.
L
david scotson wrote:
Right now, with the current limitations of ID3 tags, it's not terribly useful.
If Picard (or a third party app) could work within the limitations of
current apps support for id3 and replace the track artist with the
album artist and modify the track title so that artists o
Don Redman wrote:
The way I understand you, you say that we should define markets along
national boundaries. My replies to that were twofold:
First, even if I would agree, the EU is the _only_ nearly statelike
non-state on the world. So making a singular exception in this case
would not be
Tarragon M. Allen wrote:
5) formulate a replacement system based on music labels instead of
countries, and after it's been fleshed out present it to the developers
for implementation.
5a) address what to do with self-published releases and try to design a
system that is future proofed against
Don Redman wrote:
This is my reply to the general style council stuff. Still as a human
and sociologue.
...
Note that as a secretary I tried to work along the "Document first and
then release" policy not because I personally believe this is the right
thing, but because I thought that this w
Don Redman wrote:
Third, in both your and my examples I see not a single one in which it
seems really important (to me) to differentiate between arrangement,
orchestration and instrumentation.
IMO the differentiation only makes sense, if there are works for which
you can specify e.g. an orch
Brian Gurtler wrote:
no, it would not leave the entire database as bootleg. it would make the
live concert DVD rips bootlegs where the source is the DVD (aka DSBD as
far as live recording sources are labled outside of MB).
Please expand on this, because it makes no sense to me how ripping out
aud
Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
The difference is that for DVDs you usually split the wav files to match
the songs. I doubt there are many video DVDs where 1 chapter == 1 songs.
You'd be wrong on that. I have dozens of live DVDs that are all 1
chapter == 1 song, I don't have to do anything when ripping
derGraph wrote:
... and have a collection of files that doesn't exist on any release.
That's what most moderators call a "homebrew" when they argue to remove
an album from MusicBrainz. And if I see such an edit, I check whether
there is no such a release and then vote yes.
I'm not sure what y
Brian Gurtler wrote:
which is basicly making a bootleg audio CD out of a DVD. Same as if you
were to record the audio from a television performance on the late show
with David Letterman.
If it were an official release, you would have imported a CD not a
ripped audio from a DVD.
Not really the s
derGraph wrote:
Orion wrote:
Other people that have the DVD can easily reproduce the exact same rip.
Just like when merging and album with the bonus disc...
But that's not the point. There is no audio-only release. In fact, the
audio frames have to be separated from the video f
derGraph wrote:
No, they should be listed as [Video, Official]. However, there is no
video release type. And I wonder why none of the video rip supporters
files a request for such a release type.
Well, I haven't requested it because I've only been speaking about the
case where only the audio
Brian Gurtler wrote:
Which isn't a very helpful definition of bootleg. What is it about it
that makes it a bootleg even though it's an officially released DVD?
I've already explained this previously.
you're making an unofficial recording from a DVD
ripping the audio off of a live concert DVD
I'm using MBs definition of "official" and "bootleg"
That's more or less the crux of it then. Those definitions are[1]:
∗ Official Any release officially sanctioned by the artist and/or their
record company. (Most releases will fit into this category.)
∗ Bootleg An unofficial/underground rel
derGraph wrote:
However, it raises a question: Are you using DeCSS or libdvdread3?
(A translation of the question for the windowsers among you: Is it legal
to rip the music off a DVD-Video?)
Err, is that relevant? The answer would vary depending on your
country's laws. The same applies to
Tarragon M. Allen wrote:
I think the crux of this argument is not so much whether ripped DVD audio
tracks should be allowed in MusicBrainz as an official release type, rather
it's about the status of so-called "music" DVDs themselves.
MusicBrainz was originally conceived around music _only_ re
derGraph wrote:
Orion wrote:
derGraph wrote:
Is it legal to rip the music off a DVD-Video?
Err, is that relevant?
If your argumentation builds on ripping audio streams from DVD-Video
releases: YES!
Alright then. The answer would be then: it varies. In most countries,
if it&#
Don Redman wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:10:52 +0100, Orion wrote:
I'm highly in favor of adding them, simply because in the music
cultures surrounding some of the artists I listen to it's become
standard practice for the fans to do audio only rips of all the
concert DVDs. Not a
Don Redman wrote:
(A) It has been questioned wheter live concert videos belng to MB at
all. But these arguments try to draw _objective_ boundaries as to what
is MB-stuff and what is not MB-stuff. There is no such objective boundary.
There can be no doubt that these videos are part of the fans'
But not only tagging is affected. When you search for an album and get
2 results, each with the same name, the same number of tracks and the
same release date, you might want to accidentally merge those. You
also have to click on both to get what you are looking for. (DVD
versions of albums with t
For the casing - the usual arguments about Japanese artists apply. It's
a larger decision matrix that is gone through when titling:
1, Choose whether to name in English, Japanese, or other
2, Choose whether to write the title in kana, kanji, romaji, or other
3a, if kana or romaji, choose half/fu
Björn Krombholz wrote:
Something like last.fm's "Translate foreign
artist names to English where possible", but for album and track
titles.
#Fuchs
That's not automatic, it's a remnant from the old moderation system
there. If you did a mod to a non-latin artist you had to provide a
latin equ
derGraph wrote:
キラーパルス
1. OUR PASTRAL
2. J madd 9
3. Greed & Meaning
4. ミルクカート
5. スノウライン
6. この気持ち
7. フィール ザ パルス
8. G to P
9. サイケデリックパスワード
10. BEACH
Forgive me my lack of education and my ignorance, but I don't understand
your example at all.
When do you write in what case?
There's no p
Okay. Thanks!
But this is an example where artist intent can easily be seen. The
problem arises if all tracks are typed upper or lower case. But I guess
this will stay a problem. At least for those who don't know the artists
too well.
It was intended more as an example of a typical Japanese
Oleg "Rowaa[SR13]" V. Volkov wrote:
Maybe the style guideline itself could be even stripped down to
something describing: "Use latin script. Use a sortname that orders
the artist to a position where you'd expect it in record stores and
libraries."
Speaking of "where you'd expect it", non-engli
Since I have no idea how we would go about doing informal elections over
a mailing list I'm going to present my analysis, which is from the pro
DVD side. Take it as either a draft summary or a lengthy manifesto to
throw my name into the election.
First, though, you might want to be clearer -
Don Redman wrote:
I think we should stick to your three questions and tackle them one
after the other.
Which DVDs to add?
For a bit of real life data on types -
I have ~375 music related DVDs in my collection. The break down is as
follows:
Singles: 133
Music video collections: 74
Live conce
Alright, then picture this situation: I take a live DVD I purchased,
place it in my DVD drive, hit play, and minimize the player. I continue
working on my computer and would like to look up the info on a
particular track quickly. The case doesn't have a tracklisting on it
and I don't want to
Actually I thought it was doing some magic. Apparently not!
bash-2.05b# ./disc_id /dev/acd0c
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
3dd959cdd9c8122e569450d86ba195a9
bash-2.05b# cat /mnt/video_ts/*.ifo | md5
3dd959cdd9c8122e569450d86ba195a9
Steve
Not an ideal solution then, it
Don Redman wrote:
(1) MB is currently not able to genuinely store metadata in a format
that will apply to all DVDs
However, the current album-oriented way of storing metadata is
applicable to a majority of DVDs.
Highly agree with this. The same can be said of CDs and vinyl too - MB
has probl
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
I was asking because Robert wrote: "Once we get a few
(more) into the database, we will see how people have been adding
them and only then start creating "official" guidelines for how DVDs
will be entered", but in order to do this, we must be able to retrieve
the dvds e
derGraph wrote:
I don't think this is a sufficient solution to the problem. On the
artist's page, the 'album' listing reads "Albums", "Singles", "EPs",
etc. It currently says nothing about 'videos'. And this is not a matter
of the physical medium, but a matter of content. An 'album' might be a
Alexander Dupuy wrote:
I would suggest that any scheme that we adopt to generate DiscIDs from
DVDs should be defined in a way that can be applied not only to
DVD-Video discs, but also VCD discs and miniDVD discs (DVD filesystem
layout on CD-ROM media).
That's not likely to be possible. DVD a
derGraph wrote:
No, this information _is_ irrelevant! You do not need to have one track
labeled (album version), even if some other versions of that song are on
the disc, because the other versions will have a version identifier.
Here's the first single I came across, and I'm pretty sure everyo
derGraph wrote:
Nikki wrote:
I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all
subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited
to USA and Canada? What about e.g. Russia and China?
...
Why is this anyway? This seems like an artefact of a long-gone
Adam Golding wrote:
people shoudl have the option of adding as much info as they want to. I'm
generally against anything that restricts the amount of information that can
go into MB...
Some limits seem reasonable though.
http://musicbrainz.org/track/6bf048fe-f666-4bae-ba66-5caf31af401f.html
Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
That being said, I think we should insist on using a single language
everywhere (English seems the best choice), because when we make the
database smarter (and perhaps the location and date of bootlegs will
be a field) it'll be much easier to make an automatic conversion.
Af
Lars Aronsson wrote:
What I'm suggesting is simply that we could write in the
guidelines that bootleg locations should
1. use the same placenames already used for other bootleg
recordings (I can give you a list, based on the database dump)
2. for new locations, use placenames from article
Chris Bransden wrote:
"executive" isn't an attribute of ProducerRelationship as you
apparently can't be a 'co-executive producer' so one has to be a
seperate relationship, and "executive producer" is further from
"producer" than "co"
Err, according to google you can be a "co-executive producer.
Simon Reinhardt wrote:
Yes, I support that. And I think "executive co-producer" ==
"co-executive producer". We don't have to include every possible
wording, as mostly the recording studios / labels all do their own
definition of what all that means I guess. And who can tell exactly what
work a
Cristov Russell wrote:
Great. So I would say yes there is a problem with additional executive
producer. I still don't understand what was wrong with the original coproducer
configuration. There is a possibility that multiple executive producers exist
and are labeled co-executive producer. I'll
Thomas Tholén wrote:
I'm not too thrilled about the whole concept of adding pseudo-titles, but if
we're going to do it it should work like this (imho of course).
The reason we're doing it is to give so information on what the track contains
(when it doesn't have a title). And this information sh
Thomas Tholén wrote:
I didn't see it stated anywhere either, but it clearly is. The wohle website is
in english (all text, instructions, style guides, ARs...), the wiki is in
english, (almost) all mod note communication is in english, and all
communication over the mailing lists is in english.
I
Thomas Tholén wrote:
Maybe so, but I think the way tom handle that would be to code it possible to
showe up in different languages for whoever wants what. Until that day I think
english works better. To use MB as it stands today toy have to be able to
understand english. To change that will take
Why are we even considering pseudo-titles at all? We already have [1]
UntitledTrackStyle which says use "[untitled]". If the only reason is to add
descriptive information, that can be done in an annotation. Since there
aren't two versions we don't "need" descriptive information like with
remixes.
Nikki wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:58:05PM +0200, Thomas Tholén wrote:
I heard this before, and I find it weird. Am I the only one who listens
to and enjoys music in languages I don't understand?
Definitely not. I have plenty of music which I can't understand the lyrics
to and quite a few
Had a discussion spawn in notes on the two most recent edits here:
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?artist_type=3&artist_id=352076&orderby=desc
and thought it best to move it onto the style list. Currently there's
nothing in http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/LegalName
http://wiki.musi
quick scan down the
list of people who've posted to mb-style showed nobody using their middle
name but plenty who use their first and last names.
Depending on which parent I talk to Orion is either my middle name or
the second half of a double first name... I generally put is as a
middle
Don Redman wrote:
We could wait some time to wrok on and then officialize this new
guideline. But since the process proposed above is quite invasive in the
wiki, I ask right now: Does anybody have a veto agains this procedure?
Can I veto the name? I liked Alex's email but a lot of what was co
Don Redman wrote:
However, in my reading we have definitions of PerformanceName and
LegalName in the wiki. The controversial issue is when to split some
names that differ only slightly into a PN and a LN, and when to merge
the PN into the LN as an alias.
We do have them, I was asking for clar
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