On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 01:21:52AM +, Peter Skipworth wrote:
> > How is this superior to SQL?
>
> It includes the letters "XML", which, apparantly, can do everything from
> butter your toast to giving you an orgasm like no other you've had
> before. Don't you just *love* buzzwords!
>
> Sorry
From: "Florian G. Pflug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:31 AM
> I think XML support should not be just "sending the respone of an
> SQL-Queries written in a weird way as an XML Document as another weird XML
> Document to the client".
>
> It should make the DB-Server into
2001 12:58 AM
To: Cal Evans
Cc: Ed Carp; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
Cal,
Cal Evans wrote:
>
> Glorious Sunday morning greetings to you Jan,
>
> No, XML is a format for 2 different applications, usually 2 totally
separate
> applications
From: Florian G. Pflug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:10 PM
To: Cal Evans
Cc: Florian G. Pflug; Juergen Fey; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 06:50:27PM -0600, Cal Evans wrote:
> How is this superior to SQL? Why replace a
Re:
> Because it _might_ be the great, stable and matura language for
> storing and querying data of tomorrow..
I think not. XML is a standard being pushed by a few big
corporations, but lacks serious grassroots development, or even
adequate support from recent browser versions.
PHP, on the
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Colin Faber wrote:
> Don't forget, Microsoft and Oracle are behind it so it _MUST_ be the
> greatest thing to come along since sliced bread. You folks need to keep
> in mind that with the microsoft system the XML layer IS NOT part of the
> database it self but an additional ap
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> > From: Florian G. Pflug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:31 PM
> > To: Juergen Fey
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 a
> From: Florian G. Pflug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:31 PM
> To: Juergen Fey
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 12:50:13PM +0100, Juergen Fey wrote:
> > Adding XML sup
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 06:50:27PM -0600, Cal Evans wrote:
> How is this superior to SQL? Why replace a great, stable and mature
> language for querying databases with a verbose one?
Because it _might_ be the great, stable and matura language for storing and
querying data of tomorrow..
By
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On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 12:50:13PM +0100, Juergen Fey wrote:
> Adding XML support to mySQL is no big deal if your`re talking about very
> structured data sets like
>
&
On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 12:50:13PM +0100, Juergen Fey wrote:
> Adding XML support to mySQL is no big deal if your`re talking about very
> structured data sets like
>
>
> Joe
> Montana
> not bad at all
>
>
> If you got to handle a lot of these, than its easy to write an external XML
> I/O
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 10:37:10AM -0600, Cal Evans wrote:
> Glorious Sunday morning greetings to you Jan,
>
> No, XML is a format for 2 different applications, usually 2 totally separate
> applications, to be able to exchange data. It is not an appropriate choice
> for storing large amounts of d
; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Dvorak
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:13 AM
> To: Ed Carp
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
>
> Ed Carp wrote:
> >
> > Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PR
Michael,
> Is anybody on this thread really rationally suggesting using XML
> instead of SQL? I hope not. It would no longer be an SQL database. Of
> course SQL is the language for committing data to the storage
> mechanism. What the data consists of is another matter.
I'm suggesting there is a
At 10:37 AM -0600 2/25/01, Cal Evans wrote:
>Glorious Sunday morning greetings to you Jan,
>
>No, XML is a format for 2 different applications, usually 2 totally separate
>applications, to be able to exchange data. It is not an appropriate choice
>for storing large amounts of data that will have t
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Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:13 AM
To: Ed Carp
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
Ed Carp wrote:
>
> Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
>
> > Since XML is a way to exchange data.
Ed Carp wrote:
>
> Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
>
> > Since XML is a way to exchange data...and it is protocol/platform indepdnent
> > there is a very good reason to have XML docuemts going in and out the
>
> No, it's not. You store *data* in a database, *not* metadata. Do yo
I agree with Jeremy and Colin.
Its one thing to add functionalities, in terms of modules and
interfaces, but adding to the core program is limited in it
practicality, because it will just slow down execution or load-time
or both. This penalizes users who don't happen to need the
capabilities t
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 08:26:08AM +0100, Gorjan Todorovski wrote:
>
> To Ed: Why be so negative about adding new features to the DB
> server? Why not make things easier and make the DB more flexible by
> supporting more standards for TRANSPORTING data.
I'm not Ed, but...
The answer is simple: i
t; > From: Aaron Weiker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:00 AM
> > To: 'Ed Carp'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: RE: XML support under mySQL
> >
> >
> > For some reaso
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>
>
> For some reason I don't think this was understood of what I said earlier.
&
Jim Gillaspy @ bellsouth.net ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Actually, in a relational database, you do store metadata in the database,
> along with the data it describes.
Huh? Can you be more explicit? Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying here...
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Cal Evans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Top of the morning to ya Aaron,
>
> 1: Ed did not suggest that everyone has to have a CS degree. Not defending
> Ed because based on his posts this morning, someone pissed in his Cheerios
> but he simply stated that people should be a little more educated
Actually, in a relational database, you do store metadata in the database,
along with the data it describes.
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From: "Ed Carp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject:
Aaron Weiker wrote:
> For some reason I don't think this was understood of what I said earlier.
>
> THE "DATABASE" ISN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR XML
>
> But, just because the database isn't responsible doesn't mean that the
> application is responsible for generating XML.
>
> > to put this wrapper o
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From: Aaron Weiker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:00 AM
To: 'Ed Carp'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: RE: RE: XML support under mySQL
For some reason I don't think this was understood of what I said earlier.
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Subject: Re: RE: XML support under mySQL
Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Some relational databases return results in XML format.
An
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Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Since XML is a way to exchange data...and it is protocol/platform
indepdnent
> there is a very good reason to have XML docuemts going in and out the
No, it's not. You store *data* in a database, *no
Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Since XML is a way to exchange data...and it is protocol/platform indepdnent
> there is a very good reason to have XML docuemts going in and out the
No, it's not. You store *data* in a database, *not* metadata. Do you understand the
difference?
> > > XML will become a common and powerful way to express/exchange data
> > > on the web. I hope MySQL decides to go along for the ride.
> >
> > This is all fine and good, but why does MySQL itself have to do this?
> >
> We don't want Microsoft and Oracle to take over the world, do we? :)
The
Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Some relational databases return results in XML format.
And operating systems have been written in Java and Perl. So? Just because you *can*
doesn't mean you *should*.
Suppose I want to translate the output to something else. Now I
*big snip*
I agree with Cal, the XML module should really be sperated from the
RDMB.
XML is really great but, lets face it not everyone is going to use it
so
why force it down thier troat?. The really great thing about Open
Source is that
you do have a choice (unlike MS , Oracle). :) You have to
Since XML is a way to exchange data...and it is protocol/platform indepdnent
there is a very good reason to have XML docuemts going in and out the
database. For example the database server can offer HTTP services, so we
don't need stuff like JDBC/ODBC and all that. It can be done through HTTP,
the
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 05:22:31PM -0500, Michael Bacarella wrote:
> > > > XML will become a common and powerful way to express/exchange data
> > > > on the web. I hope MySQL decides to go along for the ride.
> > >
> > > This is all fine and good, but why does MySQL itself have to do this?
> > >
Salutations Doug,
>>My point is that XML is coming and it's a good thing. MySQL
>>is an important part of the Open Source community and I
>>don't want to see it trivialized or handicapped in relation
>>commercial RDBMS. In the meantime, I'm willing to recommend
>>it to clients and wait patientl
Eric Frazier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> One thing I want. A Java way to save a data structure and recover it later.
> Easy in perl, not so easy in Java. But XML would be a great way to do it in
> Java.
Why Java? That's like going to a gas station and saying "I want gas specifically
formul
. Zawodny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:20 PM
To: Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX
Cc: 'Ed Carp'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:49:40AM -0600, Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX
wrote:
>
>
For someone like my self having a tool to export via XML is bloatware, Any XML
handling should be delt with in the milddleware, where it will be utilized NOT
the database it self.
Michael Bacarella wrote:
> > > Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> > >
> > > > Is there support for XML
> Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
>
> > Is there support for XML in mySQL?
>
This is a reasonable inquiry. MS-SQLSever 2k and Oracle are both
implementing a lot of XML functionality in their RDBMS's. Oracle
is ahead of SQLServer, I believe.
Like it or not, these two RDBMS's
Jeremy D. Zawodny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:18:49AM +0100, Gorjan Todorovski wrote:
> >
> > By support for XML I mean that u can insert XML documents directly
> > in the database, of course u need to have the table properlu craeted
> > first. Also it should be possi
> > Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> >
> > > Is there support for XML in mySQL?
> XML will become a common and powerful way to express/exchange data
> on the web. I hope MySQL decides to go along for the ride.
This is all fine and good, but why does MySQL itself have to do this?
Aaron Weiker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> application interface. XML is this magic layer in the middle that each party
No it's not. XML is simply an emerging standard to describe metadata. No magic
involved.
> about to get this Email). The solution would be to have this other middle
> tier
Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Another reason, maybe even a better one, is that XML is less database
> specific. So too will be the data. So the result of a query is no longer
> tied to the database that produced it.
Untrue. Data is data. The result of a query sh
One thing I want. A Java way to save a data structure and recover it later.
Easy in perl, not so easy in Java. But XML would be a great way to do it in
Java.
Eric
At 10:42 AM 2/22/01 +1000, Opec Kemp \( Ozemail \) wrote:
>*big snip*
>
>I agree with Cal, the XML module should really be sperat
Doug Poland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> > Why would it be easier to write said layer if it was inside the DBMS
> > instead of outside?
> >
> Speed is the reason to have it in the RDBMS.
It doesn't belong in MySQL. By that logic, monolithic kernels are a Good Thing.
> My point is that XML is
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:49:40AM -0600, Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX wrote:
>
> Some relational databases return results in XML format.
The *database* does that, or an add-on query tool does that?
It'd be trivial to implement an add-on for mysql (xmlmysql, a
command-line tool maybe) which wou
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From: Ed Carp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 2:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Is there support for XML in mySQL?
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 01:26:56PM -0500, Michael Bacarella wrote:
> > >
> > > Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> > >
> > > > Is there support for XML in mySQL?
>
> > XML will become a common and powerful way to express/exchange data
> > on the web. I hope MySQL decides to go along
y, February 21, 2001 1:20 PM
> To: Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX
> Cc: 'Ed Carp'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:49:40AM -0600, Mehalick, Richard RE SSI-GRAX
> wrote:
> >
> > Some r
web search:
http://www.allthesites.com
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From: Jeremy D. Zawodny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 2:18 PM
To: Gorjan Todorovski
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XML support under mySQL
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:18:49AM +0100, Go
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:18:49AM +0100, Gorjan Todorovski wrote:
>
> By support for XML I mean that u can insert XML documents directly
> in the database, of course u need to have the table properlu craeted
> first. Also it should be possible to retreive data in XML format
> from some table. Thi
By support for XML I mean that u can insert XML documents directly in the database, of
course u need to have the table properlu craeted first. Also it should be possible to
retreive data in XML format from some table. This is supported in Oracle 8i for
eaxmple
"Jeremy D. Zawodny" wrote:
>
Gorjan Todorovski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Is there support for XML in mySQL?
No la comprende, senor - XML is a markup language, MySQL is a database. What does ne
have to do with the other?
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:38:23AM +0100, Gorjan Todorovski wrote:
>
> Is there support for XML in mySQL?
What does your question mean?
XML is about representing data in a structured and easily interchanged
fashion.
MySQL is all about *storing* and *retrieving* data which is stored in a
normali
If you use perl try DBIx::XML_RDB:
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/12/13/perlxmldb.html
(I don't tested this modul.)
You can try my soft Maccess :-) (with XML output):
http://www.meopta.com/products/software/maccess/
bye
Marek
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