Re: [newbie-it] Lilo o Grub?

2000-10-04 Thread Fabio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ho installato la Mandrake 7.1 e so che c'è la possibilità di installare come bootloader il classico Lilo o il Grub; eseguendo l'installazione in modalità personalizzata non ho trovato nessuna indicazione che mi desse la possibilità di scegliere quale dei due

RE: [newbie-it] Arieccomi, col modem!

2000-10-04 Thread Simone Ravarotto
At 09.38 03/10/00 +0200, you wrote: Ciao Ciro, il comando "pppconfig" dovrebbe essere un'alterazione parlando del "daemon pppd" che e' quello che permette di collegarsi alla rete con un provider di servizi internet ,tramite autenticazione SLIP,PAP, CHAP o quello che e '. Probabilmente devi

RE: [newbie-it] aggiungere utente a gruppo

2000-10-04 Thread Simone Ravarotto
= Original Message from Marco Scalas [EMAIL PROTECTED] at 4/10/00 09.40 --- Floods [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: C'è una utility per aggiungere un utente a un gruppo desiderato? O devo aggiungerlo a mano editando /etc/group? Grazie -- Floodse-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [newbie-it] aggiungere utente a gruppo

2000-10-04 Thread Floods
Il 04/10/00, Fabio Coatti parlò così: On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:10:35AM +0200, Floods wrote: C'è una utility per aggiungere un utente a un gruppo desiderato? O devo aggiungerlo a mano editando /etc/group? Credo sia useradd -G group user verifica con man useradd adduser user group

RE: [newbie-it] aggiungere utente a gruppo

2000-10-04 Thread Floods
Il 04/10/00, Simone Ravarotto parlò così: Scusa, ma ti sconsiglio di usare linuxconf per queste cose. Io ho avuto grossi problemi con gli id utente ed i permessi,quindi l'ho cassato. Almeno per ora... Ciao Me ne sono accorto anch'io, linuxconf è veramente bizzarro e per questo mi sono

[newbie-it] Fare il mount

2000-10-04 Thread Tosato Diego
Salve, volevo solo sapere se è possibile fare il mount di una porta seriale! Preciso che non sono molto abile nell'uso di Linux e che questa è solo una mia curiosità Grazie.

[newbie-it] kppp

2000-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Salve a tuttinessuno ha idea del perche kppp dopo aver fatto il numero e aver iniziato acolloquiare mi da "daemon died unespectelly" mentre quando usavo la SUSE 6.4non lo faceva ?grazieOdino

R: [newbie-it] kppp

2000-10-04 Thread Vincenzo Forciniti
guarda il log del kpp, le notizie che fornisci sono troppo scarse ... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: [newbie-it] kppp Salve a tuttinessuno ha idea del perche kppp dopo

Re: [newbie-it] imwheel e kde Logitec Rules!!!!!

2000-10-04 Thread Luca Caruso
Beh se c'e qualcuno in linea forse puo' aiutere anche me: Il problema e' piu' o meno lo stesso soltanto che io ho un Logitech Cordless ps/2 e non ne vuol sapere di funzionare lo scrolling con la rotellina Forse qualcuno ha risolto il problema e puo' aiutarmi. Ogni consiglio in merito e

Re: [newbie-it] aggiungere utente a gruppo

2000-10-04 Thread Fabio Coatti
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 05:27:43PM +0200, Floods wrote: Il 04/10/00, Fabio Coatti parlò così: On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:10:35AM +0200, Floods wrote: C'è una utility per aggiungere un utente a un gruppo desiderato? O devo aggiungerlo a mano editando /etc/group? Credo sia

[newbie] Automatization bttv and related modules

2000-10-04 Thread Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
Hello, I am here again and very happy, finally I could watch tv under linux in my computer and also the net. And I have two question about: QUESTION 1 It was hard to me, a beginner, but with the help in this list and some web pages I can use cabletv to watch the cable chanels with

RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!

2000-10-04 Thread Robert Griffiths
Talking about MS Linux, when Microsoft first took over hotmail it was running on Solaris, microsoft moved it over to NT, found out that NT couldn't handle worth a damn, so what did they do...moved back over to solaris...bottom line, microsoft do use *nix. Robert. From: Mark Johnson

[newbie] Graphical User Interfaces for X

2000-10-04 Thread Sharma, Anoop
Hello All I am completly new to Linux and just managed to install Mandrake 7.1 on my home PC dual booting with NT. At the mo using a boot disk. My question is what is the X windows, KDE and Gnome? When I type start X I used to get a pretty interface either KDE or Gnome. Now all I get is

Re: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!

2000-10-04 Thread markOpoleO
That is odd, i remember reading that they just moved Hotmail over to win2000... markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Robert Griffiths" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 6:00 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! Talking about MS

Re: [newbie] Graphical User Interfaces for X

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
It sounds like you're going to have to reconfigure your display again. From what you're describing it's not properly configured which is why you're being presented with that strange screen. Actually you will want to configure X so that you're presented with a GUI login screen. This will give you

Re: [newbie] 7.1 Install CD??

2000-10-04 Thread Charles A Edwards
- Original Message - From: "Joe Brault" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: [newbie] 7.1 Install CD?? Hello all, I have a question about burning a CD of linux mandrake 7.1... I have downloaded from the mandrake website the

Re: OT [newbie] Antique systems [was: Off-topic posts.]

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
I know you weren't. I was speaking "tongue-in-cheek." When I first started learning Assembler I hated it cause there is SO much to remember and it was driving me crazy. However, as I learned the language and began to see just how powerful it really was I just fell in love with it. Mark Vic

Re: [newbie] Setiathome

2000-10-04 Thread Austin L. Denyer
Need some help from the list from users of Setiathome. I am trying to start in a new file and use the -nice 19 command and also the -verbose. I get all the way to the point where it asks where my computer is located and I enter "3" for home(without the quotes of course) and I get a core

[newbie] LinkSys Cable Router Linux MAndrake 7.1

2000-10-04 Thread webmaster
Hi: I was wondering if my LinkSys cable router will DHCP an ip to my Linux b0x. I have a working nic card, and my other machine[98] connects with no problems. If I set my netconfig to DHCP, and netdevice eth0 and irq: 5 , would that accept the dhcp. I love linux, but hate to config it ;)

RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!

2000-10-04 Thread Larry Marshall
FYI, here's another article about Corel. It purports that the reason for this bail out is so Microsoft could offer WordPerfect as open-source to compete against the release of Star Office on the 13th, apparently to This is nothing more than a wild-ass speculation just like the ones I and

Re: [newbie] RPM download site for kernel.

2000-10-04 Thread markOpoleO
I allready said i can't run Mandrake Update cause I can't Dial out for some reason to my ISP... markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] RPM download site for kernel.

RE: [newbie] DSL

2000-10-04 Thread webmaster
Steve: Did you ever get an answer I have the same prob. Thnx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Dressler Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] DSL I have 2 win98 machines, and

Re: [newbie] RPM download site for kernel.

2000-10-04 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, you wrote: i have a winmodem so i have to download my updates with windows, so which rpms do i need?? Look here for exactly what you need and what to do with it http://mandrakeuser.org/install/kupgrade.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just run MandrakeUpdate

[newbie] Anyone using windowmaker environment?

2000-10-04 Thread Jeff Malka
I am exploring windowmaker and find the docs to be extremely poor and no book mentions it for more than one paragraph. Basic concepts such as the "purpose" of dock and clip are not discussed anywhere I can find. Is clip a clipboard? Is dock similar to the panel in KDE?valent to the .kdelnk

Re: [newbie] Choosing different desktops

2000-10-04 Thread Adrian Smith
well Marcia you got me i've only been messing with linux a few months -- and from some of the problems i have seen on the list it looks like i've been having it easy. =) my install system all work good. my problems have all been my own mistakes i just reinstall linux try

Re: [newbie] more on 7.2 Beta3

2000-10-04 Thread pablito
It seems that some of the links are goofed up and there still is a KDE control center, but for some reason there are no more themes in this version of KDE. I hope KDE hasn't decided to discontinue that feature. Even so, it looks like 7.2 will be a significant improvement over 7.1 when it comes

Re: OT [newbie] Antique systems [was: Off-topic posts.]

2000-10-04 Thread Adrian Smith
i agree. i have programed (very little) in assembly it is a great way to learn what really happens in the CPU. i also found it very challenging - especially on an 8088 (only 6 registers to work with if i remember correctly). Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL

[newbie] Use of ampersand in .rc files

2000-10-04 Thread Jeff Malka
In using a command like xsetroot in a .xinitrc or .bash_profile, etc, does one need to end the command line with a or not? Actual command is xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg cyan -bg black Confused. Thanks. (Do not answer "Dear confused"):-)) Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered

[newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Adrian Smith
okie, here is what i did. in /mnt i had the usual win_c win_d type things. i went into fstab changed things about (did this using KDE graphical interface) so that the drives would mount as windoze (win_c) games (win_d) so, that worked. if i go into /mnt then go into /windoze then i am on my

Re: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Fraser Kendall
you did what? - Original Message - From: Adrian Smith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:44 PM Subject: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs... okie, here is what i did.in /mnt i had the usual win_cwin_dtype things.i went into fstab

Re: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, you wrote: okie, here is what i did. in /mnt i had the usual win_c win_d type things. i went into fstab changed things about (did this using KDE graphical interface) so that the drives would mount as windoze (win_c) games (win_d) so, that worked. if i go into /mnt

[newbie] Telnet through different ports?

2000-10-04 Thread cloak
Hi there. My friend and I are trying to telnet into my machine, but he's behind a firewall that doesn't let anything but web traffic out (port 80). How can we setup my machine to listen for a telnet session on port 80 so he can get in? Thanks. Cya, Cloak

[newbie] Font color?

2000-10-04 Thread yue . m . ma
Hi there, When I open a terminal, looks like Linux use the green color for every executable file, and the red for compressed file, etc. How can I change this color schema? Thanks! Yue

Re: [newbie]ethernet card setup

2000-10-04 Thread WallerRaknakce
Dear All, It has been advised to me to use Pnp dump to configure my SMC EZ 10/100 ISA plug and play card. Could someone take me step by step through that process? If that works would it be best to go to Linuxconf or netcfg to finish? I looked at Netcfg and I cannot figure out alot of what they

Re: [newbie] LinkSys Cable Router Linux MAndrake 7.1

2000-10-04 Thread Doug McGarrett
I ran Mandrake 7.0 and it automatically found the LinkSys and set it up, and I was on the net without doing anything. I have since installed SuSE 7.0 on the same machine with equal ease. (I'm DHCP to an adsl.) How to config it manually is beyond my capability, since I don't understand the

[newbie] Xfce and KDE?

2000-10-04 Thread WallerRaknakce
Dear Paul and All, Thank you Paul for the explicit directions for setting up Xfce. How would I set up Xfce as one of my desktops and not to be the only one? Actually I want to use KDE and Xfce. In other words I want to be able to switch from one to the other.Those so far are my favorites. Any

[newbie] libdb2.so.2 what package?

2000-10-04 Thread Jon Doe
I am trying to install the new Pan and I downloaded all the required files from the site but I am still getting an Unsatisfied dependancy: libdb2.so.2 Anyone know what package this is in? -- Registered Linux User 181996

Re: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Michael
I use ReiserFS for data storage. Some directories have over 100,000 files in them. ext2 worked but a directory listing took about a month to generate. Also on my new server everything but /boot is ReiserFS and the stability due to crashes, power loss, etc is great and everything runs very

RE: [newbie] Telnet through different ports?

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Johnson
you don't just open up port 23, this is the well-known telnet port... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Telnet through different ports? Hi there. My friend and I are

Re: [newbie] Telnet through different ports?

2000-10-04 Thread Goldenpi
Now how are you planning to (mis)use that information? Ask on a hacking newsgroup. There a loads of people there who can help. Im not one of them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: [newbie] Telnet

[newbie] Using Wine to play a Windows game?

2000-10-04 Thread WallerRaknakce
Dear All, My husband thinks he is being deprived because he can't play his Hearts game ( a Windows compatible game) on Linux. May I use Wine to play the game? This is not the hearts game that comes with Windows. If it can be played by using Wine how exactly do I do that? I am a newbie so

RE: [newbie] LinkSys Cable Router Linux MAndrake 7.1

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Johnson
I second this. I have didn't have to do anything special except during the installation I select the dhcp option; it just worked like it was suppose to. I can offer any help beyond this. -Original Message- From: Doug McGarrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000

RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!

2000-10-04 Thread Robin Regennitter
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, you wrote: I think it's obvious that MS wants to rule the world and take over as many corporation. I hope that they lose the case in the lawsuits. Talking about MS Linux, when Microsoft first took over hotmail it was running on Solaris, microsoft moved it over to NT,

Re: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Larry Marshall
the odd thing is, the win_c win_d are still in /mnt also. if i go into them, they are empty. what up with this?? can i simply delete these as root? or is there some other solution? Yes, and this demonstrates a problem with configuration via GUI tools; you are one step

Re: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Larry Marshall
Here's 'fstab' line for my Windoze drive. I moved it out of '/mnt/', to a dir named '/c'. I can read/write/exe anything on that Not a bad idea Tom. I just did: ln -s /mnt/windows win with the link in my home directory. Seems to work. Any reason not to do it that way? One of

Re: [newbie] Programs don't run no more...

2000-10-04 Thread Joan Tur
Thilo escribió: Hi folks, Here's my problem, Some of the programs that use to run, don't anymore. When I click on the program icon or I select it from the menu, the HD light flashes a few times and then my desktop just looks at me all contented and does nothing else. Hi! If you start the

[newbie] news from O'Reilly Press

2000-10-04 Thread Larry Marshall
Was at the local computer bookstore this morning and picked up a little book produced by O'Reilly. There are several things that are significant about this little book (56pages). First, it's FREE! Second, it's titled "Open Source Bibliography" and while it lists a lot of O'Reilly products,

[newbie] problem installing X server

2000-10-04 Thread ZeynalBandari
dear anyone i have a BIG problem and need your help.i'd appriciate all suggestions. today a friend of mine asked me to set up a mandrake 7.1 server for his company. it's ment that the server will be tested during 2-3 months and maybe after that will be replacing one of NT servers for the

Re: [newbie] generic scsi device in /dev?

2000-10-04 Thread Joan Tur
bascule escribió: the following is a quote from the readme file for grip 2-94 : a cdripper and mp3 encoder prog which use cdparanoia, 'Secondly, cdparanoia requires access to both the cd device and (for scsi drives) the generic scsi device (usually /dev/sgsomething)' Hallo! I'm using

Re: [newbie] Help with Kernel

2000-10-04 Thread Joan Tur
Joe Morris escribió: I'm working with Mandrake 7.1. I decided to upgrade my kernel to 2.2.16, so I downloaded linux-2.2.16.tar.gz from kernel.org. Hallo Joe! I'm a newbie also! So if someone finds something wrong, correction will be apreciated! 8-) I've downloaded the rpm's from Mandrake

[newbie] positioning an app in KDE desktop

2000-10-04 Thread Jeff Malka
I discovered a cute clock called asclock which looks good on KDE desktop. I therefore created a kdelnk for it which I put into my autostart folder. Unfortunately asclock comes in my distribution with no docs, no man, info or readme. It opens on login nicely BUT it always opens at the left

[newbie] boot and rescue diskettes

2000-10-04 Thread Jeff Malka
What is the difference between the boot diskette and the rescue diskettes. Are they similar? How do you create the rescue one? Thanks. -- Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User 348854

Re: [newbie] Setiathome

2000-10-04 Thread Dennis Myers
Ed Tharp wrote: which "3" are you hitting (top of qwerty keys or numbers pad? and is the num lock light on? - Original Message - From: "Dennis Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:51 PM Subject: [newbie] Setiathome Need some help

Re: [newbie] Setiathome

2000-10-04 Thread Dennis Myers
Ed Tharp wrote: which "3" are you hitting (top of qwerty keys or numbers pad? and is the num lock light on? - Original Message - From: "Dennis Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:51 PM Subject: [newbie] Setiathome Need some help

Re: [newbie] fstab mtab left overs...

2000-10-04 Thread Alan Shoemaker
Adrian Smith wrote: okie, here is what i did. in /mnt i had the usual win_c win_d type things. i went into fstab changed things about (did this using KDE graphical interface) so that the drives would mount as windoze (win_c) games (win_d) so, that worked. if i go into /mnt then go

Re: [newbie] Setting up a cable modem

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
Roger what this means is that you're not connected. This is evidenced by the fact that your ethernet card isn't referenced in the output. If it were operating you would see it referenced as "eth0". -- Mark /* I never worry about the to-jams. * Once I've stuck my foot in my mouth *

[newbie] Mounting Samba Shares

2000-10-04 Thread Robert Scripter
Is there any way to mount Samba shares on boot up? I bought a book on Samba, and there's no indication on how to do this. TIA Rob

[newbie] configuring a network card

2000-10-04 Thread Steve Waites
Hi there We have a Gateway NLX MINI DESKTOP computer which has a Intel Corp 82557 Network Card. I'm having a problem configuring the Ethernet Card. Harddrake 0.5.3 shows that we have the above mentioned Intel card but when I run Etherdrake 0.6.2 from the Root directory it shows the

Re: [newbie] problem installing X server

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
When you boot to the console login use this command to started the console version of the X configuration utility: setuptool ENTER -- Mark /* I never worry about the to-jams. * Once I've stuck my foot in my mouth * it's already too late...just make sure *

Re: [newbie] Some Emails Returned

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
AOL's mail server is complaining as is your own postfix problem because your header information is displaying localhost.localdomain. In plain words what these two things are saying is that it doesn't want to recieve mail from a host that doesn't exist. It's a feature inherent in most mailserver

Re: [newbie] Using Wine to play a Windows game?

2000-10-04 Thread Mwinold
well wine is not the most stable thing in the world in fact i tried running it and it crashed, you can use vmware it is simular to wine but much more stable and includes full documentation on how to run it, im sure there are simular games ported to linux such as your "hearts" you can check

Re: [newbie] Using Wine to play a Windows game?

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
copy the entire program dir that Hearts lives on your DOS partition to your Linux home dir, enter that dir in a terminal window and then on the command line call wine and name the executable you wish to run. Example: wine hearts.exe ENTER If all is well and you're not missing any

Re: [newbie] X windows does not recognise graphics card

2000-10-04 Thread Mark Weaver
Matt, try running as root from that same command line "setuptool". -- Mark /* I never worry about the to-jams. * Once I've stuck my foot in my mouth * it's already too late...just make sure * you chew them thoroughly before swallowing! */ Registered Linux

Re: [newbie] problem installing X server

2000-10-04 Thread Alan Shoemaker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear anyone i have a BIG problem and need your help.i'd appriciate all suggestions. today a friend of mine asked me to set up a mandrake 7.1 server for his company. it's ment that the server will be tested during 2-3 months and maybe after that will be replacing

Re: [newbie] Setiathome

2000-10-04 Thread Bob
Are you by any chance using an AMD processor? At 06:18 PM 10/4/00 -0500, you wrote: Ed Tharp wrote: which "3" are you hitting (top of qwerty keys or numbers pad? and is the num lock light on? - Original Message - From: "Dennis Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Re: changing cursor shapes in X

2000-10-04 Thread Ronald J. Hall
Jeff Malka wrote: I discovered it works if I put the xsetroot command in ~/.bash-profile Why it does not work in .xinitrc is baffling to me. Hey Jeff. Hmm, can you (or anyone) point out to me the advantages/disadvantages of using rc.local vs .xinitrc, vs .bash-profile for setting up

Re: [newbie] 7.1 Install CD??

2000-10-04 Thread Joe Brault
Charles, I downloaded the image, and will be using NERO Burning Rom to burn my CD. This program came with my CDRW drive (Creative Labs). - Joe :) - Original Message - From: "Charles A Edwards" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:43 AM

[newbie] installation

2000-10-04 Thread Santiago Canez
Okay, so yesterday I finally bought Mandrake 7.1. The installation was goingfine until towards the end it ejected the installation cd-rom and asked forthe extensions cd(x86). The cd's i got when I bought it were installationcd(x86), installation sources, and applications cd(x386). So I

Re: [newbie] Mounting Samba Shares

2000-10-04 Thread Kevin Scott
You can mount Samba shares in the fstab. If you set it to automount you will get the shares mounted just like any device. Kevin On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Robert Scripter wrote: Is there any way to mount Samba shares on boot up? I bought a book on Samba, and there's no indication on how to do this.

Re: [newbie] libdb2.so.2 what package?

2000-10-04 Thread Paul
It was Oct 4, 2000, 12:46, when Jon Doe keyboarded: I am trying to install the new Pan and I downloaded all the required files from the site but I am still getting an Unsatisfied dependancy: libdb2.so.2 Anyone know what package this is in? Methinks that you should be able to find something like

Re: [newbie] Setiathome

2000-10-04 Thread Dennis Myers
Dennis Myers wrote: Ed Tharp wrote: which "3" are you hitting (top of qwerty keys or numbers pad? and is the num lock light on? - Original Message - From: "Dennis Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:51 PM Subject: [newbie]

[newbie] My mouse is not visible

2000-10-04 Thread Adam Holt
Hello, My mouse is not visible after installing linux for windows 7.1, during the installation process, it is viewable andworks fine, after installation and a reboot, and go to tlinux for win, the graphical environment loads, and the mouse disappears, its still there persay, since if you