On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Doug Lerner wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Friday, December 28, 2001):
Tech support? Free downloads, but boxed packages that you pay for if you
choose? Heh...sound familiar? Just a thought...
The company I work for actually doesn't sell boxed sets. The total
download is
If software were free how could the employees of the software company
be paid to begin with?
Lots (most?) non-profit organizations' employees draw salaries.
Someone mentioned internet development as an example of free software
helping us all. I saw the guy that wrote the
On Friday 28 December 2001 09:49 am, you wrote:
This list like to MS-bash. A lot. Be careful in your MS-bashing, though;
they made most of the tech revolution possible. Without MS the tech
industry as we know it would be much smaller (most of us wouldn't have jobs
in tech), we would probably
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:29:02 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wasn't even going to respond to the hypothetical about the avaracious
drug company withholding medication from poor people, but the logic of
the answer bothered me so much I decided to.
Even though my question was
ummm... wow.
i would love to fire off on this topic,
but i just don't have the time now.
however,
i would like to thank all of you.
why?
because we are having a awesome discussion
about a fascinating topic and everyone is
making really intelligent comments observations
and this is what i
Well, I've been living here in Japan for the past 18 years now and I find
companies here more capitalistic and less regulated then in the U.S.
Everything you buy here is strictly let the buyer beware. There is no
such thing at all like money back guarantee like in stores in the U.S.
And things
Amazing how things can digress! Soon we'll throw in religion and whale
hunting. :-)
doug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saturday, December 29, 2001):
I could go on forever...
You could, but we're not talking about office suites anymore :)
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:02:18 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001):
Well the analogy of the clay pot may not be good at all. Consider this--
I make a clay pot, and I fire it and I go to a lawyer and show him the
product and get him
True, but there is also another side to the story. What about the end users, who
will _save_ money by using free software. Corporations spend massive amounts of
money on buggy, insecure software. If the software was free, all this money
could be saved, and the employees could be paid more (or
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be
paid to begin with?
I'm sorry, but by this logic you could say, Instead of spending all that
money on a down payment and mortgage, think of all the money I could save
by just moving into the first house I see.
doug
Maybe we don´t need enormous software companies to do the job, just
idealistic men like the ones moving the opensource world.
And if someone offers free houses (and better than the one i'm paying for)
wouldn`t you move??
Gonzalo
From: Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If software were free how
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:27:47 +1100
Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:02:18 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001):
Well the analogy of the clay pot may not be good
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Jesse Angell wrote:
i personally think that x windows is a complete ram hog.. As a 166mhz 32ram cannot
run it...
That's strange I have X on a 486SX/20, 16MB RAM with slackware 3.4 and it
works. It is slow but it works :P
--
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:06 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be
paid to begin with?
I am not arguing that all software should be free. I am simply stating that in
some cases I believe that the free software model
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001):
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:06 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be
paid to begin with?
I am not arguing that all software should be free. I am simply stating
that
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Doug Lerner wrote:
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be
paid to begin with?
Tech support? Free downloads, but boxed packages that you pay for if you
choose? Heh...sound familiar? Just a thought...
I'm sorry, but by this logic you
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:23:45 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001):
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:06 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be
paid to begin
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:35:55 -0500, Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:52:03 +1100
Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to
ponder:
MandrakeSoft has a policy of not supplying closed-source software. In the
download edition, the only
Doug Lerner wrote:
A little common sense can apply here. Certainly there are some examples
that are obvious. For example, the letter a is obviously public domain.
But C code that actually does something useful and was created with the
effort of a developer - that is obviously different, isn't
Whether a pot is the result of thousands of years of accumulated
knowledge about ceramics shouldn't matter. Somebody has to still decide
to put forth the labor required to make an instance of the pot. After he
or she does so it is the maker's thing to profit from.
doug
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Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 07:17 pm, Doug Lerner wrote:
What do people think about free vs commercial software in general?
I myself don't object to commercial software. In fact, I work for a
company that makes very high-quality commercial software with a
great, loyal
On a day-to-day basis, if you want to have a working economy, where
people can support themselves then, for sure, it makes more sense to
compensate labor and effort which can be attributed. In other words, pay
the programmers who create programs.
The compensation to society for providing the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001):
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 07:17 pm, Doug Lerner wrote:
What do people think about free vs commercial software in general?
I myself don't object to commercial software. In fact, I work for a
company that makes very
i personally think that x windows is a complete ram hog.. As a 166mhz 32ram cannot run
it...
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:04:47 -0800 (PST)
Jesse Angell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i personally think that x windows is a complete ram hog.. As a 166mhz 32ram cannot
run it...
what version of Mandrake are you using? it is stated somewhere in the mandrake site
that the recommended minimum for
I installed the Java runtime environment and it was easy to do and works
fine. And now the Konqueror browser runs Applets too (better than IE 5.1
under OS X does, I might add, which is the only OS X browser so far to
support Java).
But why doesn't Mandrake Linux install the Java runtime
What does openoffice want to know during installation about the Java
runtime environment. I can't figure it out...
doug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tuesday, December 25, 2001):
Doug ; Try Star Office 6.0 Beta (it's a Beta but very stable!) at
www.sun.com
or better yet, try Openoffice at
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:25:10 +0900
Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration:
Thanks, Steven. Well, everybody seems quite psyched abotu OpenOffice and
StarOffice. I will give those a try. Nobody seems to mention Hancom
Office. Has anybody tried them? Of course free is nice, but I
MandrakeSoft has a policy of not supplying closed-source software. In the
download edition, the only exception to this rule (out of necessity) is Netscape
4.
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 18:44:09 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I installed the Java runtime environment and it was easy to do
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 04:44 am, you wrote:
I installed the Java runtime environment and it was easy to do and works
fine. And now the Konqueror browser runs Applets too (better than IE 5.1
under OS X does, I might add, which is the only OS X browser so far to
support Java).
But why
Maybe if they make an exception for Netscape, another good exception
would be Java...
doug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tuesday, December 25, 2001):
MandrakeSoft has a policy of not supplying closed-source software. In the
download edition, the only exception to this rule (out of necessity) is
Netscape
Michael Scottaline wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:25:10 +0900
Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration:
Thanks, Steven. Well, everybody seems quite psyched abotu OpenOffice and
StarOffice. I will give those a try. Nobody seems to mention Hancom
Office. Has anybody tried them? Of
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 11:44, you wrote:
But why doesn't Mandrake Linux install the Java runtime environment to
start with?
Probably because it is not free (in the FSF sense of the word), but a
proprietary product licensed at no charge (for now) by Sun.
Surely everybody wants to use
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
MandrakeSoft has a policy of not supplying closed-source software. In the
download edition, the only exception to this rule (out of necessity) is Netscape
4.
Just out of curiosity, why 4.* not 6.*? I installed Netscape 6.2 on our
office machine (partly so Windows
Doug Lerner wrote:
I installed the Java runtime environment and it was easy to do and works
fine. And now the Konqueror browser runs Applets too (better than IE 5.1
under OS X does, I might add, which is the only OS X browser so far to
support Java).
But why doesn't Mandrake Linux install the
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 04:44 am, Doug Lerner wrote:
I installed the Java runtime environment and it was easy to do and
works fine. And now the Konqueror browser runs Applets too (better
than IE 5.1 under OS X does, I might add, which is the only OS X
browser so far to support Java).
robin wrote:
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
MandrakeSoft has a policy of not supplying closed-source software. In
the
download edition, the only exception to this rule (out of necessity)
is Netscape
4.
Just out of curiosity, why 4.* not 6.*? I installed Netscape 6.2 on
our office
What do people think about free vs commercial software in general? I
myself don't object to commercial software. In fact, I work for a company
that makes very high-quality commercial software with a great, loyal
customer base.
Surely there is nothing wrong with paying to have software supported
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 19:17, you wrote:
What do people think about free vs commercial software in general? I
myself don't object to commercial software. In fact, I work for a company
that makes very high-quality commercial software with a great, loyal
customer base.
Surely there is
This is an interesting discussion. I agree with some of your points, but
am not convinced by others. For example, if a company hires a dozen
programmers and they spend a year creating and tweaking and debugging
code, even if you think the company has no right to the *idea* (I am not
convinced of
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 20:08, you wrote:
This is an interesting discussion. I agree with some of your points, but
am not convinced by others. For example, if a company hires a dozen
programmers and they spend a year creating and tweaking and debugging
code, even if you think the company
Doug Lerner wrote:
What do people think about free vs commercial software in general? I
myself don't object to commercial software. In fact, I work for a company
that makes very high-quality commercial software with a great, loyal
customer base.
Surely there is nothing wrong with paying to have
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:52:03 +1100
Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder:
MandrakeSoft has a policy of not supplying closed-source software. In the
download edition, the only exception to this rule (out of necessity) is Netscape
4.
i thought netscape
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:27:47 +0900
Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder:
Maybe if they make an exception for Netscape, another good exception
would be Java...
how's that?
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If
A very interesting take on it, Civil-san.
I myself hope for a good mix. The company I work for is quite decent,
provides EXCELLENT support for the specialized software we sell and our
customers love us and become friends. But it is expensive because it just
takes a lot of time to upkeep and
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 23:27, you wrote:
Doug Lerner wrote:
What do people think about free vs commercial software in general? I
myself don't object to commercial software. In fact, I work for a company
that makes very high-quality commercial software with a great, loyal
customer base.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:30:18 +0900
Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder:
A little common sense can apply here. Certainly there are some examples
that are obvious. For example, the letter a is obviously public domain.
But C code that actually does something
The whole point of the existance of multiple GNU/Linux distros is to offer the
user choice over what they want. Each distro has its own philosophy, and is made
to suit the needs of a particular audience. There _are_ distros that bundle a
lot of closed source tools alongside open source ones --
Go to www.sun.com/staroffice I use Star Office and have no complaints,
it is M$ Office compatible.
Doug Lerner wrote:
What office suites do people recommend? I need to be compatible with
Microsoft Office to at least *some* extent for:
Spreadsheets
Word Processing
PowerPoint Presentations
Doug ; Try Star Office 6.0 Beta (it's a Beta but very stable!) at
www.sun.com
or better yet, try Openoffice at
www.openoffice.org
get the 641b version for Linux and/or Windows. Includes full compatibility
for MS Office XP ! and it's totally FREE ! In Either case, make sure that you
get a
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:22:58AM +0900, Doug Lerner wrote:
What office suites do people recommend? I need to be compatible with
Microsoft Office to at least *some* extent for:
Spreadsheets
Word Processing
PowerPoint Presentations
What do people think of Hancom Office at
At 02:22 AM 12/25/2001 +0900, Doug Lerner wrote:
What office suites do people recommend? I need to be compatible with
Microsoft Office to at least *some* extent for:
Spreadsheets
Word Processing
PowerPoint Presentations
Star Office 5.2 seems OK so far. So far, it reads Word documents and Excel
and, i know this is a long shot (please feel free to laugh at me for even
asking) but do any linux spreadsheets support VBA? i have an INCREDIBLE
collection of scripts I've written over the years, and i hate to give that
up when i go to linux?
what are my options?
thanks in advance, and merry
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Doug Lerner wrote:
What office suites do people recommend? I need to be compatible with
Microsoft Office to at least *some* extent for:
Spreadsheets
Word Processing
PowerPoint Presentations
Star Office, no doubt!
What do
Thanks, Lanman. I will try that out.
And thanks for the hint about the Java Runtime Environment. I tried to
access a web page in Konqueror that had an applet on it and was surprised
to see that Java was not part of the standard install. It would be nice
if it was! (One less stumbling block for
Thanks, Steven. Well, everybody seems quite psyched abotu OpenOffice and
StarOffice. I will give those a try. Nobody seems to mention Hancom
Office. Has anybody tried them? Of course free is nice, but I am not a
fanatic about not purchasing software - particularly if it is nice. I
think the
Doug,
The new Star Office 6.0 beta is worth looking at. It's a full office
suite, MS Office compatible and not as overstuffed at Star Office 5.2
(which is probably on your distribtion). You can grab it from the Sun
site.
Terry Smith
Hatchville, MA
On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 12:22, Doug Lerner
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