[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> apparently, you don't understand what's good about > solaris and why people love it. I wish I could claim > that it was the vast variety of software available on > solaris because of which I love solaris. As for myself, I love Solaris because it's consistent, structured, high-perfomance, and ea

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> The most common mistake that open-source packages > make is not > respecting the --libdir argument to autoconf's > configure. This makes > it a bit of a pain to put things in > /prefix/lib/$(ISA)/ and the same > thing with --bindir. How very true. It could be in part due to the complexity

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc andpatch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
> Well, in that case it would probably end up either > somewhere in BluePrints program on Sun's site, or > somewhere on BigAdmin. But as far as I know, only Sun > employed engineers are allowed to write this kind of > documentation for the Sun BluePrints program. In the past, we've published Sun B

[osol-discuss] Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-21 Thread Bob Palowoda
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > > > This seems like a fine suggestion; I'd just make it > a bit more general > > to encompass all platform discussions at least on > x86, and either > > include SPARC as well or create a parallel SPARC > platform community. > > I'd prefer a platf

[osol-discuss] Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris device driver (x86, x64 & SPARC)

2005-07-21 Thread Chao-Feng Guo
Yep, I believe the platform neutral device driver is the target of OpenSolaris. But to this end, we'd better kick off the work on the easily approched platforms. Please see the draft of the community below. I do know I miss lots of parts in the scope, please feel free to add your comments. Goal

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for O

2005-07-21 Thread Bart Smaalders
Dan Mick wrote: Sunil wrote: 1) how do you determine that the package name is unique in all the world? names are given by the father of the package, and they are pretty unique. its his duty Sunil, there's an inherent race condition here; both parties wish to release SolDoom packages;

Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-21 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > This seems like a fine suggestion; I'd just make it a bit more general > to encompass all platform discussions at least on x86, and either > include SPARC as well or create a parallel SPARC platform community. I'd prefer a platform-neutral device d

[osol-discuss] Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-21 Thread Jeremy Teo
+1. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for O

2005-07-21 Thread Dan Mick
Sunil wrote: 1) how do you determine that the package name is unique in all the world? names are given by the father of the package, and they are pretty unique. its his duty OK, you don't understand what I'm saying, so I'll stop. ___ opensolaris-

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and

2005-07-21 Thread Ginnie Wray
> > If you have some ideas on how SUN could better > present the > documentation, then feel free to send feedback to > your SUN sales > representative. I also encourage people to contact docs.sun.com directly. There is a "Send Comments" link on the docs.sun.com pages: http://docs.sfbay/app/docs/

Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-21 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 06:45:20AM -0700, Chao-Feng Guo wrote: > Users are asking for the wishlist like Solaris 10 X86 3ware 9000 series RAID > controller driver. I do know more people are investigating some good > approaches to make the IHVs embrace the OpenSolaris. But it's a better way to >

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread John Plocher
Ferdinand O. Tempel wrote: for Debian packages to work, you need to adopt the entire Debian way of thinking. Bells and whistles and all. But it'll be a fight against both the OpenSolaris community and What are the core differences WRT the "way Sun has traditionally done sfw and the companio

Re: [osol-discuss] Colorado OpenSolaris User Group

2005-07-21 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Ok, cool. I'll be opening a user group community on the web site so you can have a page if you'd like. Jim Lisa Week wrote: Hi, We are looking to start an OpenSolaris User Group in the Colorado Front Range area. More information will be sent out as the group forms, but right now we'd like

[osol-discuss] Colorado OpenSolaris User Group

2005-07-21 Thread Lisa Week
Hi, We are looking to start an OpenSolaris User Group in the Colorado Front Range area. More information will be sent out as the group forms, but right now we'd like to see who is interested. If you are interested, join the frosug (stands for Front Range OpenSolaris User Group) Google group

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 13:22, UNIX admin wrote: > Look past the sentences and read the fine print. Read the blogs of the Sun > executives. CDDL may not say it, but it is clear why Solaris has been > released to the public. It's a purely political move with the aim to sell > more Sun HW (which is

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-21 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I am answering my own question. I have found the edu-discuss forum from the e-mail header, which, however, is not shown in the forum message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am very interested in this issue not necessarily because I was born a Chinese, but mainly because I am convinced that the multi-ling

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-21 Thread Teresa Giacomini
Sorry. I meant [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "W. Wayne Liauh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:37 am Subject: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users > Might I > suggest that we continue the conversation there?> > > Where is "there"? >

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> On 7/21/05, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Actually, SuSE's RPM update system uses special patch > RPMs that are > not the entire software subsystem over again. They were working on it. > Possibly because of the "Linux community" there is a > large set of free > software available for any Op

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Sunil
> What you want to do is bring "software" on a system > where the only Solaris part is the kernel. That's > BUSTED. apparently, you don't understand what's good about solaris and why people love it. I wish I could claim that it was the vast variety of software available on solaris because of whi

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> As for SGI, they have their hands full with IRIX. If > you really want to have a real discussion of porting > packages to IRIX versus Solaris/OpenSolaris when > talking about SGI instead of "Linux" which is more of > a kernel versus a distribution like Debian. SGI ditched IRIX in favor of Linux

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 02:41:58PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote: > So is it ok for me to name my packages libfoo, progname, etc or not? No. -- Keith M Wesolowski "Sir, we're surrounded!" Solaris Kernel Team "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/21/05, Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:25:39AM -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > > > Is that still considered the "proper practice"? Would > > > I be considered > > > "evil" if I released packages without the prefixes? > > > > That question is better left

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 12:33:41PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > This only contains a rough description in prosa but no build system. > > For GPL'd software, it violates the GPL as the build scripts are > not available. We're tossing around some proposals for fixing[0] this as part of making

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:25:39AM -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > Is that still considered the "proper practice"? Would > > I be considered > > "evil" if I released packages without the prefixes? > > That question is better left for Sun employed engineers, but I write for > myself: I wouldn't do i

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread David Lindt
Ginnie, I've forwarded a few parts of this thread to the writer for the Application Packaging Developer's Guide. Once you've reviewed this information, I'd like to see what we could do to get the information into the relevant docs. Another option is this information could be written up as a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-21 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Where is "there"? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-21 Thread Teresa Giacomini
Hi folks, Taking the opportunity to cross-post to the edu-discuss list. Might I suggest that we continue the conversation there? Unless folks feel it is broader than the edu community T W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > those in Chinese universities. As China is a fastest growing market for Sun, >

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Virginia Wray
Thanks. I'll be asking for yours also if this is written up as a procedure. :) ginnie UNIX admin wrote: I'm a tech writer at Sun. I'm going to review this information and get back to you about adding this procedure to the docs.sun.com documentation. I'd be interested in any feedback and su

[osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-21 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Fedora Core, arguably the most popular Linux distro, was started by a college student Warren Togami when he was a sophomore at University of Hawaii. I have been following RedHat/Fedora Core for quite a few years, and Fedora Core is a prime reason why Redhat can maintain its status as a stando

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Natalya Reznik
Quote from docs.sun.com: Defining a Package Abbreviation (PKG) A package abbreviation is a short name for a package that is defined by the PKG parameter in the pkginfo file. A package abbreviation must have these characteristics: * The abbreviation must consist of alphanumeric cha

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Shawn Walker wrote: On 7/21/05, Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Open Solaris is not aimed at just system admins - it's being targeted at the desktop user, more so now than ever - so live with it, you are going to have to accept that some people simply don't like the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Jul 21, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 7/21/05, Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Open Solaris is not aimed at just system admins - it's being targeted at the desktop user, more so now than ever - so live with it, you are going to have to accept that some people simply d

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Bob Palowoda
> Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Don't expect things to work if you adopt to "the > e entire Debian way > > of thinking". > > > > As long as Debian compiles software on Linux-2.4 > 4 and expects the > > resulting binaries to work on Linux-2.2, the did > d not yet grok how to > > deal with evolvoi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/21/05, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, that exactly what I mean. Debian will bring > > ing a huge set of > > quality software greatly integrated to > > to OpenSolaris. > > What you want to do is bring "software" on a system where the only Solaris > part is the kernel. That's

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/21/05, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the exact same approach that Linux takes. The only way to patch a > software subsystem through the OS interfaces is to do `rpm -u` which goes and > [I]replaces the entire software subsystem[/I] in order to "update" it. > This is very muc

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/21/05, Darren Kenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Open Solaris is not aimed at just system admins - it's being targeted at > the desktop user, more so now than ever - so live with it, you are going > to have to accept that some people simply don't like the way things are > right now on Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/21/05, Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part > > of a being in a community means being tactful and polite), but > > debian encompasses a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't. > > To be fair, one of

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> Care to expand on that? I, and I'm sure others, would > very much welcome > the history lesson on what they've successfully done. > FWIW, I think we > should be doing this with Linux too, and many other > communities out > there - but you instantly want to dismiss them with > every reply. I did

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > >> It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the most advanced > >> Free Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make OpenSolaris > >> join that huge community. > >> > >> As long as we continue being apar

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 03:33, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 14:04, Chris Ricker wrote: > > > creating a mysql-4.1 pkg from scratch. Or what if you want the same > > > version that Sun shipped, but just need it compiled with differen

[osol-discuss] Re: short of storage

2005-07-21 Thread Brian Y Wong
Hi roland, Please post requests for help on the opensolaris-help forum. This is a common problem on unix-like OSes. Try looking through the following search results for help. http://www.google.com/search?q=root+partition+out+of+space cheers, brian This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] short of storage

2005-07-21 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 07/21/05 17:02, roland wrote: The harddisk run out of storage for / How can i change the disk config to add more disk space for / without reinstall If you have additional usable slices elsewhere then a nice way of approaching this is via LiveUpgrade. You don't really upgrade but in copying

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
Joerg Schilling wrote: >> It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the most advanced >> Free Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make OpenSolaris >> join that huge community. >> >> As long as we continue being apart, Debian will continue being >> Linux centric, but we can chan

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS pe

2005-07-21 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/20/05, Sunil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > now that 8 character limit is not there, what stops us from having some > meaningful unique names for packages, which are really unique across > csw/sunw, so in future I install just one copy of a package and csw doesn't > go around downloading and

[osol-discuss] short of storage

2005-07-21 Thread roland
The harddisk run out of storage for / How can i change the disk config to add more disk space for / without reinstall I am using solaris x86 10 Regards This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@ope

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote: > Eric Boutilier wrote: > > e) Time to package. Check out the make methodologies of the > > existing proven Solaris ports projects such as as Blastwave, JDS, > > OpenPKG, Pkgsrc, and SPS. If you like any of them, em, use their > > procedure for building your m

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread ken mays
--- Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > > > Yes, of course it would have been better! > > We have clearly identified an area where there > things could improve, > > but that's not the main problem. > > > > The main problem is that people who converted are > trying to push "what >

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Sunil
> > and your sanity as well because it will duplicate > > many of packages already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, > > under /opt/csw. > > > > I might add that this is after the fact that it > uses > > the same backend as pkgadd. > is really asking for trouble. I'm writing this from > my own experience

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for O

2005-07-21 Thread Sunil
> 1) how do you determine that the package name is > unique in all the world? names are given by the father of the package, and they are pretty unique. its his duty to give it a unique name. think about it, if you were writing a new db, would you name it mysql or oracle? if he fails, then the re

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, > Yes, of course it would have been better! > We have clearly identified an area where there things could improve, > but that's not the main problem. > > The main problem is that people who converted are trying to push "what > they're used to" from Linux, thereby reinventing hot water. Bull

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Joerg Schilling wrote: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: >> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes >> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages. >> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and ef

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Don't expect things to work if you adopt to "the entire Debian way > of thinking". > > As long as Debian compiles software on Linux-2.4 and expects the > resulting binaries to work on Linux-2.2, the did not yet grok how to > deal with evolvoing interfaces. We are speak

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > >> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes > >> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages. > >> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort > >> > th

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the most advanced Free >Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make OpenSolaris join >that huge community. > >As long as we continue being apart, Debian will continue being Linux >

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the > the most advanced Free > Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make > ake OpenSolaris join >that huge community. This is incorrect. Linux has actually always trailed behind in development. And now that Solaris is free, it is most certai

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> Yeah, that exactly what I mean. Debian will bring > ing a huge set of > quality software greatly integrated to > to OpenSolaris. What you want to do is bring "software" on a system where the only Solaris part is the kernel. That's BUSTED. > I hope OpenSolaris will work to create this new > n

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Ferdinand O. Tempel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Don't expect things to work if you adopt to "the entire Debian way of > >thinking". > > Actually, I do. I don't care much about what the debian project "thinks" or > "expects", and I doubt it's what you claim as: > > "As long as Debian compiles

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Theo Schlossnagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Yeah, that exactly what I mean. Debian will bring a huge set of > >>quality software greatly integrated to OpenSolaris. > >> > > > > Why do you expect that packages that only have been tested on Linux > > will even compile on Solaris? > > B

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> I don't see anything in rpm that could not be handled > via the pre and > postinstall scripts that are part of a SVR4 package. Or a Makefile processed by `make` in a pre/postinstall phase of package installation. Which is what you're basically saying, correct? This message posted from opensola

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One of the core values of Solaris is that sharable things really should be shared. Did you check how many versions of libz are available on Solaris? Less than there used to be, more than there should be. It's a design goal,

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> On 7/20/05, Bart Smaalders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Is that still considered the "proper practice"? Would > I be considered > "evil" if I released packages without the prefixes? That question is better left for Sun employed engineers, but I write for myself: I wouldn't do it. As a general rule

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 20:19, Sunil wrote: > there is no central registry of package names for > SVR4-format packages. > > we might be able to ditch the stock-ticker-prefix if > we had one. I don't understand. Why would we want to ditch the stock ticker prefix? It's what makes the package uniqu

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> Wouldn't it be even better to not have to make that > judgment call? Now > don't get me wrong, the stuff done by the likes of > Blastwave and > Sunfreeware were *hugely* important - I'd just like > to see us acting as > a combined community, working on porting the > software, integrating the > so

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
Joerg Schilling wrote: >> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes >> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages. >> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort >> > that has gone into the Debian system, and agree with David that

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
Joerg Schilling wrote: >>From my understanding Debian people like to run GNU application on >>top of a given kernel which will create problems with a kernel like >>Solaris that has different features than Linux. > > Replacing vital parts of Solaris with GNU counterparts will not > work. Nobody

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> Did you ever consider that one possible reason is > that Solaris X86 > simply doesn't have all the drivers - I have a > laptop, and it's less > than 2 years old, which Solaris will install on, but > there simply are no > network drivers for it. So it would take much more of > my time to get to

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Ferdinand O. Tempel
>Don't expect things to work if you adopt to "the entire Debian way of >thinking". Actually, I do. I don't care much about what the debian project "thinks" or "expects", and I doubt it's what you claim as: "As long as Debian compiles software on Linux-2.4 and expects the resulting binaries to w

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Theo Schlossnagle
On Jul 21, 2005, at 7:13 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages. Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort tha

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Wouldn't it be even better to not have to make that judgment call? Now > >don't get me wrong, the stuff done by the likes of Blastwave and > >Sunfreeware were *hugely* important - I'd just like to see us acting as > >a combined community, working on porting the softwa

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Ferdinand O. Tempel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought about this as well, and as a matter of fact, I want to go through > with it. The Debian project itself isn't all that enthousiastic due to the > GPL not being compatible with the CDDL and all that crap, but that doesn't > mean noone e

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes > > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages. > > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort > > that has gone into the Debian system, and

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Mick wrote: > > > and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. > > BTW, examining the source for aperture, it looks very much like programs > designed to use /dev/xsvc (like the afore-argued-about iasl) would work > fine if /

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't get it. you mean somebody actually wants to install SUNWmysql, > > REDHmysql, IMYmysql, YOUmysql at the same time on the same box? > > nothing is to stop Blastwave and Sunfreeware, for instance, from packaging > the > same software. In the case o

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the core values of Solaris is that sharable things really > should be shared. Did you check how many versions of libz are available on Solaris? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 14:04, Chris Ricker wrote: > > creating a mysql-4.1 pkg from scratch. Or what if you want the same > > version that Sun shipped, but just need it compiled with different > > options? That's trivial on Linux distros, not so trivia

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Debian is a well integrated systems, without duplication of >> software, with a great packaging system, 100% free, with loads of >> ready to use software, hundreds and hundreds of active developers, >> dozens of derived distributions, g

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Ferdinand O. Tempel
> On Solaris you could solve this kind of problems using lofs, on Linux you > can't > and it seems that Debian is Linux centric http://www.debian.org/ports/#nonlinux And for the building on a minimal configuration; well, there's always the option to take a base debian and use apt to install the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dragan Cvetkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was a problem discussed a few days ago. Basically, as I understand > it, Blastwave packages are supposed to work the same way on any Solaris > version (from 8 to 11) and you can't guarantee that some required library > would be in the base OS o

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part of a > being in a community means being tactful and polite), but debian encompasses > a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't. To be fair, one of the > reasons that they don't i

Re: [osol-discuss] Can i get some clarification on some things...

2005-07-21 Thread Casper . Dik
>I'm a little confused about a few things hopefully i can get some answers :-) > >a) is the (base opensolaris community sun employees ? Well, I suppose that technically a large number of them are Sun employees; but there are many more people who joined. >b) where did all the code come from... is

[osol-discuss] Can i get some clarification on some things...

2005-07-21 Thread hypAsnypA
Hello! I'm a little confused about a few things hopefully i can get some answers :-) a) is the (base opensolaris community sun employees ? b) where did all the code come from... is it from the solaris tree or is this all new ? c) is OpenSolaris just a kernel or a full OS, will it be freebsd styl

Re: [osol-discuss] Problems booting on P-II 233 Notebook.

2005-07-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/20/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How may I set "verbosemode" to a value != 0 and when will > > we have full sources for multiboot? > > I'm pretty sure verbosemode is activated by doing -v to the kernel... > > Just like one does -k

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Debian is a well integrated systems, without duplication of >> software, with a great packaging system, 100% free, with loads of >> ready to use software, hundreds and hundreds of active developers, >> dozens of derived distributions, government implantation, etc..

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Casper . Dik
>Wouldn't it be even better to not have to make that judgment call? Now >don't get me wrong, the stuff done by the likes of Blastwave and >Sunfreeware were *hugely* important - I'd just like to see us acting as >a combined community, working on porting the software, integrating the >software and p

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Casper . Dik
> As I said, Blastwave isn't even similar to this approach. It has > lot of problems: libraries duplication, zero system integration, > etc. The duplications annoys me too, as does perhaps the fact that it the "Solaris 8" it uses as a lowest common denominator is a bit long in the teeth.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-21 Thread Paul Gress
Joerg Schilling wrote: This looks like the generel Solaris volmgt problem that will disapear with build 19 or 20. Did you try to do the scanbus with a medium in the CD-ROM drive? Jörg No, I believe I had it working before I knew exactly why it would or wouldn't work. But, that won't sol

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> when I want to install libbonobo as a dependency for > another package, I want just that and one copy on my > system, and let every package that needs it find it. > company ticker appended to package names is one > ridiculous idea, when a simple package name would do > just fine. All, pkg-get wou

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Ferdinand O. Tempel
I thought about this as well, and as a matter of fact, I want to go through with it. The Debian project itself isn't all that enthousiastic due to the GPL not being compatible with the CDDL and all that crap, but that doesn't mean noone else can have a whack at it. There's only one problem; for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Darren Kenny
UNIX admin wrote: Yesterday I spent a few hours at night thinking and talking with friends about OpenSolaris and more specifically trying to answer the question of "Why I don't use OpenSolaris on my personal laptop?". I don't know. Why don't you? I know I can't wait for my laptop to com

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, > After experiencing all this mess, I had to make a judgement call. > Either I stick with the Sun Companion CD, which guarantees stability > and good integration, but is too old for compiling most code, or I > simply install a controlled set of Blastwave packages and link with > those. Would

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
John Plocher wrote: > I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part > of a being in a community means being tactful and polite), but > debian encompasses a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't. > To be fair, one of the reasons that they don't is that they are > pi

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> and your sanity as well because it will duplicate > many of packages already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, > under /opt/csw. > > I might add that this is after the fact that it uses > the same backend as pkgadd. Well, here's the deal: usually you either go with what Sun ships, i.e. the Sun Freewar

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> I'm a tech writer at Sun. I'm going to review this > information and get > back to you about adding this procedure to the > docs.sun.com documentation. I'd be interested in any feedback and suggestions you could provide on improving the article. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> > 1. you patch the source code if necessary > > Is there a 'recommended' format for patches in the > Solaris environment? > > Is this the correct commands to create a patch: > > diff -u old_file new_file > > and to apply the patch: > > patch -i patch_file file_to_be_patched > > or

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-21 Thread UNIX admin
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Glenn Lagasse wrote: > The big difference though is that the cost of entry > for customization / > maintaining current status is a lot lower on Linux, > just because you get > the source packages. There's a lot less effort in, > say, changing your > distro's mysql-4.0.src