Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Don't know how much truth there is in it, but Norwegian television said the WTC was built so that the outer walls were carrying most of the weight, and that the number of internal support structures were less than normal for skyscrapers. Wonder how much it would have helped, though... with

Re: Competition, Competition! errr... with no prize :)

2001-09-12 Thread Mark D.
From: Fabrice Gamberini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, Nice gallery, I particularly loved the candlescapes (bwcandle01.jpg really works, for me). Thank you for the kind words. Candlescapes is my favorite gallery (until I get off my butt and start doing some street photography again) and one I've

Re: Technical Pan

2001-09-12 Thread Mark D.
From: Treena Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED] I picked up a couple of rolls of Kodak Tech Pan in 120. Most of my B+W experience is with TMax and Tri-X. What is the best use for this film, and in what should it be processed for best results? I would advise against a high contrast subject. Also, I've had

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Attacking civilians without warning is not the same as collateral damage. Anyone who thinks it is is an ass. But if you think we have bombed your country without cause. Just wait, radioactive vaper does not committ acts of terrorism. And, it isn't the ones throwing the bomb that are cowards,

Re[2]: Terrorist reasoning.

2001-09-12 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, I'd like to point out that the quote below has been wrongly attributed to me. I do not support the views expressed by Bob S. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, September 12, 2001, 1:19:32 AM, you wrote: At time like these, I am reminded of the words of General Patton, The

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Martin Trautmann
On Tue 2001-09-11 (20:41), Ernest Alejandria wrote: Justice is a remedy associated for the commission of a crime. Todays' tragic event is much more than a crime, it is an act of war perpetrated by a foreign power against Americans and American properties on American soil. Please STOP

Missing Digests

2001-09-12 Thread Jim Brooks
I'm a digest subscriber and have been missing digests since last Friday (missing 1234, 1235, 1239, 1244, 1245, 1246, 1249, 1252, 1253). Anyone else experiencing this? Can it be fixed? Thanks and Regards Jim Brooks E-MAILS

OT, but all else seems trivial.

2001-09-12 Thread Jody
To all US members, Please know that I am thinking of you during this tragedy. I could not bring myself to watch too much of the news tonight or today. It was far too distressing, and I don't even have family in the US. It must be so much harder for you. The worst bit was when they were talking

Re: Help with processing

2001-09-12 Thread Fabrice Gamberini
Bill, my darkroom experience is fairly thin, but I remember reading recently that Ilford advised against presoaking their films beacuse they supposedly contain a pre-wetting agent that ensures even development, and this agent will be remove by presoaking. Also, I read somewhere else that

RE: Relative in World Trade Center

2001-09-12 Thread Paul M. Provencher
Stan, I can identify with what you said. But it will not be business as usual for me from now on. I am not looking for revenge. I am looking for closure. Through my work, I will make a contribution to the preservation of freedom, humanity, and human dignity. Yesterday gave me a reason to

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Mike Johnston
Paul G. wrote: There is no penalty severe enough for a crime of this magnitude. I thoroughly agree. Surely this is the origin of the notion of hell? There is no earthly punishment that will adequately serve the Hitlers, the Pol Pots, the Osama bin Ladens of the world. My admittedly ignorant

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Is there anyone among you more technically (construction) egineered that to a layman can explain why the buildings actually collapsed. I mean constructionwise. Is the sheer weight, the pressure from the collapsed top floors falling down on the ones below, enough to cause the total collapse?

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Mike Johnston
Hi all Please keep OT issues off list - especially GENERAL aspects of today's tragic events, for which I BTW offer all americans my deepest sympathy and condolences. It's a disasterous blow towards all democratic people in the world. Not to mention the great tragedy for those directly

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Ernest Alejandria
Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] made the following comment: I wrote: Justice is a remedy associated for the commission of a crime. Todays' tragic event is much more than a crime, it is an act of war perpetrated by a foreign power against Americans and American properties on American

OT: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Martin Trautmann
On Wed 2001-09-12 (04:34), Ernest Alejandria wrote: FYI, war does not have to be declared for an act of war to be committed. And I stand by my definition of what constitute an act of war, as stated in my prior post quoted above. I can accept that you and others may disagree with it but

Re: OT, but all else seems trivial.

2001-09-12 Thread Jim Moniz
Thank you for your kind words. Although I must admit My first reaction was BOMB THOSE F%$S!!! (said f%$s not having even been identified yet), we need calm and understanding to prevail. Perhaps there is a way to bring the perpetrators to justice without having to resort to further slaughter of

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Lasse Karlsson
Tom R., in response to Nenad, wrote: We may have done many things we can not be proud of, but we have never attacked purely cilivian targets without warning. I guess it's a matter of definition of warning, but by any reasonable use of the language, in the case of the two bombs on Hiroshima

The Color Darkroom of the 21st Century

2001-09-12 Thread Mike Johnston
Here I have to agree with you 100%. For color - use the computer. Even as the former editor of a darkroom magazine, I must agree with this. For color printmaking at home, the best tools are plentiful RAM, some version of Photoshop, a scanner or digicam, and a dye sub printer such as the

Re: World Trade Center-GONE

2001-09-12 Thread Norman Baugher
Unfortunately Daph, I look at it as a contributing factor to this disaster... Norm Daphne wrote: i'm thinking perhaps europe will now be more sympathetic to israeli surgical eliminations of local terrorist masterminds.. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go

Re: Terrorist attacked against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Jody
I waltz through security and customs. I guess because I look so sweet and innocent. Perhaps the terrorists also looked sweet and innocent. I think I would have no problems getting weapons through. So far I have smuggled an icecream container from the plane from Australia, in the midst of

Re: OT, but all else seems trivial.

2001-09-12 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.
I'm confused, I seem to remember a Saudi embassy in D.C. What am I missing? Otis Jim Moniz wrote: Thank you for your kind words. Although I must admit My first reaction was BOMB THOSE F%$S!!! (said f%$s not having even been identified yet), we need calm and understanding to prevail.

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Edmptx
Something is missing in most of these threads -- the destruction of the World Trade Center was a terrorist attack on the world and the United States. Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to

RE: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Jody
Who designed the Pentagon anyway and when? I wonder why they didn't just paint a large target on the top. I mean, it is kind of out there in the open a bit, and so large and close to the sea. I don't think I would have chosen to work there. Although I am saying this in hindsight, and I feel

Re: Newfangled LX Grip B+ (longer for large hands)...

2001-09-12 Thread Albano_Garcia
Nice work, Cotty. Just one question: what kind of paint you used for the black finish? I have a Grip A that I shaped really nicely, but I don't like the browny colour. I thought about painting it, but I don't know what kind of paint to use that is resistant enough to usual handling. (I know

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Frank Theriault
Excellent point, Collin. I was amazed at how those buildings almost appeared to implode, falling into themselves. If they were actually designed to collapse in that way, then the architects and engineers involved in their design no doubt saved tens of thousands of lives yesterday. Yesterday's

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Jody
I think being kept alive and tortured for many years would be a better penalty. Death almost seems like they are getting away with it, and instead their mainly innocent families suffer. Jody. Like Timothy McVeigh, who killed many innocent civilians, how many times can one forfeit their

RE: Technical Pan

2001-09-12 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]
Treena Harp inquired regarding Kodak Tech Pan 2415: What is the best use for this film, and in what should it be processed for best results? Hi Treena, For one thing, this is a favored emulsion of professional astronomical observatories -- extremely fine grain. Also used by amateurs doing BW

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Frank Theriault
Bob, I certainly don't blame anyone who seeks revenge, and it is certainly understandable that it is the emotion of the hour. I'm sitting here, some 500 or 600 miles from New York, in a different country. As revulsed and sickened as I am to have seen what has happened, I am removed from that

RE: OT, but all else seems trivial.

2001-09-12 Thread Skofteland, Christian
I live in DC. Trust me there are a large number of Embassies here. Massachusetts Ave. is called Embassy Row. On top of that many large US cities have consulates. Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Otis Wright, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I'm confused, I seem to

Re: Let's pray

2001-09-12 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:58:00 -0400 Read it? y Well planned, disciplined and trained yes. A great deal of financing? Not necessarily. Just 4 or 5 pilots to hijack an airplane and fly it on a suicide mission. No, four (at least) *teams* of

Re: A word of sorrow to the US members of the List

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
But some saw fit to dance in the streets, that God for the destruction, and pass out candy.John Coyle wrote: Surely no civilised person would lay claim to this attack on the innocent? -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola

Re: Relative in World Trade Center

2001-09-12 Thread dave o'brien
It seems that fundamentalist and anarchist barbarians everywhere (Islamic, Christian, Secular, whoever) are winning the war against civilization. Whenever we fall back on eye-for-an-eye reasoning, we have lost our veneer of humanity and have become feral animals. Thousands of people were killed

Re: Blaming Clinton

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
September 11 is also 9/11. Since 911 is the US telephone number for emergency calls, that's how I shall remember this black date. Bob Blakely wrote: September 11 was the day the peace accord between Egypt and Israel was sined at Camp David. This is the day Egypt formally accepted Israel's

Re: Technical Pan

2001-09-12 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Tech Pan can be a bear to work with. The nature of the film base makes it tougher to get onto a steel reel and easier to scratch. Results in Technidol developer are astounding, but Technidol is comparitively dangerous, so you probably don't want to use it too often. I recall, from the

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Frank Theriault
Please! The standard historical take on Japan in WWII is that Japan's aggression was the work of Tojo, and other evil warlords. It was said that Hirohito was an unwilling puppet - although it has since come to light that he may have willingly participated in the War to a larger extent that

Re: World Trade Center-GONE

2001-09-12 Thread Daphne
hey Norm, what about Reagen's support to islamic radicalism against the 'soviet devil', as far as contributing factors go? or the escalation in violence in my areas resulting from Bush's potential retaliation? Daphne - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to

Re: World Trade Center-GONE

2001-09-12 Thread Norman Baugher
Absolutely correct, I wasn't implying it was a one-way street. The world is a complicated place. Norm Daphne wrote: hey Norm, what about Reagen's support to islamic radicalism against the 'soviet devil', as far as contributing factors go? or the escalation in violence in my areas resulting

Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Rfsindg
I guess it's a matter of definition of warning, but by any reasonable use of the language, in the case of the two bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively, there was no warning that would have given the civilians a chance to escape. More than 100 000 civilians were killed there.

Re: Blaming Clinton

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It didn't happen in the rest of the world. It happened here. The rest of the world will soon forget; we shall not. Skofteland, Christian wrote: except that most of the world writes dates as dd/mm/yy which would make it 11/09/01 -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.
It was designed in approx. 41 and was first occupied early in 43 and was to become some sort of office complex after the war. Can't remember the designer, but I believe its construction was directed by Gen. Grove, who went on to direct the Manhattan Project. Otis Skofteland, Christian wrote:

RE: Blaming Clinton

2001-09-12 Thread Skofteland, Christian
-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It didn't happen in the rest of the world. It happened here. The rest of the world will soon forget; we shall not. I don't need a gimmick like 911 to remember this. I have family and friends in both

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Lasse: I believe that, while the targets were not named, warnings of some sort were given. Certainly, after Hiroshima the Japanese government knew what would happen if they did not surrender, and did not take immediate action. Having been to Hiroshima and having visited the museum there and

The WTC Pentagon Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
More than 300 messages have appeared in my mail box from this list alone, some offering condolences, some expressing outrage, grief, or good fortune, and, some, for better or worse, demanding revenge. Many sentiments have been expressed, but a couple of subjects have been missing: BLOOD MONEY

Re: OT-- WOOF WOOF

2001-09-12 Thread Scooterman
Guess we know whom the REMF's are... those with the baggage the women children... In the meantime LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR Better yet, instead of leaving the weak sisters back with the women make em walk point... perhaps we can finally weed out those genes that Mother Nature meant to end

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.
Do we really want to debate this again? Maris - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Bombing Japan - private | Lasse: | | I believe that, while the targets were not named, warnings

NY Images

2001-09-12 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
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FA 77/1.8 and FA 85/1.4 which has the better resolution?

2001-09-12 Thread Knut Knut
Hi, I remember reading here (or somewhere else) that the FA 77/1.8 has a better resulution between f2.8 and f5.6 than the FA 85/1.4 (from f8 they are both the same and excellent). I tried to find this thread. Maybe someone could point me to the source or to people/webpages who have made a

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Maris: I did not start this sub-discussion. As long as people on this list continue to bring it up in a negative fashion, I shall feel compelled to respond. Why anyone would mention that in the context of the current tragedy escapes me, but I'm sick and tired of hearing from those who were not

Re: Terrible

2001-09-12 Thread Ernest Alejandria
Albano Garcia wrote: I mean that I think you are right about me choosing the wrong moment to talk about what I think about your president. I'm sorry about this. But this doesn't change the way I think about him. Regards AG

Where in Illinois

2001-09-12 Thread Mike Johnston
Bill wrote: This was probably it: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=12 64929165 found it by searching for winning bidders with Mikes email address. Hope you don't mind me taking the liberty of posting that mike, most people would want to know who to avoid. I'm

NYC digital photos by Chinatown resident

2001-09-12 Thread Joe Wilensky
Anyone interested in checking out an amateur photographer's results photographing from Chinatown on Tuesday morning and from Manhattan later that night take a look at: http://www.markallencam.com/nycblowup.html He used a digital camera, though I can't find any reference to make and model. Joe -

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Treena Harp
My dad being a WW II vet, I became very interested in the history of it all, both European and Pacific. I studied a lot about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and all the sources I read said the U.S. dropped messages and leaflets over the two cities for days before the bomb was actually dropped warning

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Mike Johnston wrote: Unfortunately, there is just no way to build a skyscraper strongly enough to withstand a direct hit from an airliner and the ensuing inferno. It was not the architects' fault. I was hoping that Norwegian broadcasting was wrong. In a way it would only have complicated

All ok?

2001-09-12 Thread canislupus
It was terrible watching the news. I couldn't believe it at first. List people in NYC W - are you ok? I hope you and your relatives are all alive and unharmed. Although I don't have much love for many aspects of US policy and government, I think US caused many wrongs, but this striking at US

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Lasse Karlsson
Tom R: wrote: Oh? They didn't know they were at war with the US? Are you seriously trying to say that simply being a civilian citizen of a country with which the U.S. are at war, equals being warned of getting swept off the surface of the earth by surprise bomb attacks? (If you do, then your

RE: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Mick Maguire
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_154/1540044.stm explains the structure of the WTC towers and why/how they collapsed. Regards, /\/\ick... ++ __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/)

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Lasse Karlsson
Bob S. wrote: I guess it's a matter of definition of warning, but by any reasonable use of the language, in the case of the two bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively, there was no warning that would have given the civilians a chance to escape. More than 100 000 civilians were

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Lasse Karlsson
Dan J. M. wrote: Lasse: I believe that, while the targets were not named, warnings of some sort were given. Certainly, after Hiroshima the Japanese government knew what would happen if they did not surrender, and did not take immediate action. Having been to Hiroshima and having visited

Re: NYC digital photos by Chinatown resident

2001-09-12 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.
Thank you, Joe. He has memorialized this tragedy well. Maris - Original Message - From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: NYC digital photos by Chinatown resident | Anyone interested in checking out an amateur

Re: OT

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Harris
Bill Owens wrote: ... I would venture to say that a Tuesday was chosen to ensure a lighter passenger load, therefore making it more apt to have more fuel than if the plane were full. Don't they adjust the fuel load to the passenger load? Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Lasse Karlsson
Mick M. wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_154/1540044.stm explains the structure of the WTC towers and why/how they collapsed. Thanks a lot, Mike! This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for in my question. Lasse - This message is from the

Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Nicolas Colarusso, CGA
Having heard many put down the US and hating their policies I think we should all read this article from a Canadian newspaper, it is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Harris
Lasse Karlsson wrote: Is there anyone among you more technically (construction) egineered that to a layman can explain why the buildings actually collapsed. I mean constructionwise. Is the sheer weight, the pressure from the collapsed top floors falling down on the ones below, enough to

RE: Grandmother London

2001-09-12 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich
Both these weekends and the week in between won't work for me. I'll be in the Netherlands for that time frame. Frits Wüthrich How about this...weekends work better. Who can make it: Oct 27/28 Nov 3/4 Both works for me, I think. Jostein. - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail

Sv: NYC digital photos by Chinatown resident

2001-09-12 Thread arkibladt
Hi Joe Thanks for the amazing photographs! Jens Fra: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dato: 2001/09/12 Wed PM 08:41:49 CEST Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: NYC digital photos by Chinatown resident Anyone interested in checking out an amateur photographer's results photographing from

Re: Problem with my NEW FA 35/2? Please advise.

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Harris
Peter Popp wrote: [snip] I bought the lens for a trip I have planned to Aspen in 10 days. I've never tried to make a return to BH, but in my opinion sending it to Pentax is out of the question. I've never even mounted it on a camera. I'm inclined to try to get a return authorization for

Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
I'd like to reply to the author, but such silly statements aren't really worth the effort. Gianfranco - Original Message - From: Nicolas Colarusso, CGA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Thanks, Mick. Jostein - Original Message - From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: RE: The WTC constructions http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_154/1540044 .stm explains the structure of

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a war. There are several nations that harbor, finance, train, and encourage these terrorists, and, as far as I am concerned, these nations are now at war with the United States. It is war, and not just with the United States. I, and those

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Harris
Frank Theriault wrote: I'm no expert either. I recall hearing that sometime during or after WWII, a B-25 bomber smashed into the Empire State Building, causing damage to the floors adjacent to the impact, but leaving the rest of the building intact. This smallish twin engine military

Re: OT

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Tuesdays and Wednesdays, fares are a bit lower, meaning that the planes were more likely to be filled with tourists, especially those headed for Hawaii via the West Coast. Bill Owens wrote: ... I would venture to say that a Tuesday was chosen to ensure a lighter passenger load, therefore

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread UDPug
In a message dated 9/12/01 2:11:21 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you seriously trying to say that simply being a civilian citizen of a country with which the U.S. are at war, equals being warned of getting swept off the surface of the earth by surprise bomb attacks?

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
This is one of the most proper and insightful posts that I have read. Terrorism is indeed a scourge that threatens the very fabric of civilized people from all countries. It is my hope that we can all band together and finally put an end to this horrible type of atrocity wherever it may occur in

Democratic defence (was: Re: All ok? READ THIS ...)

2001-09-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
In a while, when the disaster gets a perspective through time; when things get so normalised that OT political discussions are no longer good behaviour on a Pentax list THEN time has come to critizice US foreign politics. (I have my opinions too, but heck...) NOW is the time for all

Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Then it is certainly not worth responding to you, Gianfranco, on this or on any other topic, Pentax related or not. Dan Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: I'd like to reply to the author, but such silly statements aren't really worth the effort. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL

Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Mark D.
From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to reply to the author, but such silly statements aren't really worth the effort. To Gordon Sinclair? On the evening of May 15th, 1984, following a regular day's broadcasting, Gordon Sinclair suffered a heart attack. He died on May 17th.

Re: World Trade Center burning

2001-09-12 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom R: wrote: Oh? They didn't know they were at war with the US? Are you seriously trying to say that simply being a civilian citizen of a country with which the U.S. are at war, equals being warned of getting swept off the surface of the earth by

Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Chris Brogden
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Mark D. wrote: To Gordon Sinclair? On the evening of May 15th, 1984, following a regular day's broadcasting, Gordon Sinclair suffered a heart attack. He died on May 17th. Looks like you're gonna havta wait awhile to reply to the author... The author is probably his

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Ken Archer
To be completely correct, the only real surprise was when Japan made a sneak attach on Pearl Harbor and sucked the United States into a war it wanted no part of. After that any attack on a Japanese city should have been a forgone conclusion. I used to have a pen ink drawing of a giant on my

MZ-S problems follow up.

2001-09-12 Thread Paul Jones
Hi, I took my Camera to CR Kennedy (Australian Pentax Distributer) on Tuesday to get the problems fixed and the service technician had just returned from Japan being trained in how the fix the MZ-S. They told me they had been informed by Pentax of problems with the on/off switch and how to fix

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Ken Archer
Frank, Today's terrorists have rewritten the rules of war. In prior wars there were soldiers and there were civilians. Civilians are now on the front lines as evidenced by yesterday's attack on the World Trade Center. Terrorists use the only thing they understand to get their way...force.

for Gianfranco was: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Nicolas Colarusso, CGA
Hi Gianfranco I apologise if I came on too strong. The events in the last 36 hours have been overwhelming, imagine the people who lost loved ones, hopefully things will get back to normal in the near future and the perpetrators will be brought to justice, whomever they may be. No hard feelings?

Re: more WTC photos

2001-09-12 Thread Ken Archer
To quote an old song, What a difference a day makes. Now, more than ever, I value every day that I have been given. On Wednesday 12 September 2001 18:37, Amita Guha wrote: As if you needed to see more... Here are before and after photos of the view from our apartment, taken with my

for Gianfranco was: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Hi Nicolas, Absolutely no need to apologise. It's clear even to me that I wrote too quickly about something I was mostly unaware of. I'm feeling mixed emotions about what's happening. I firmly hope the perpetrators to be found and prosecuted, but at the same time I do fear that the situation may

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be completely correct, the only real surprise was when Japan made a sneak attach on Pearl Harbor and sucked the United States into a war it wanted no part of. After that any attack on a Japanese city should have been a forgone conclusion. Ken, The

RE: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Paul M. Provencher
Bob, I don't often agree with you, but on this point, you make sense. ppro -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Blakely Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Terrorist attack against the

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Mark Roberts
I haven't posted to any of these threads yet but I have to add a me to to the sentiments here. This wasn't an attack on the U.S. by terrorists. It was an attack on all of humanity by inhumanity. It was an attack on civilization by savagery. It was an attack on thought by base instinct. It was an

Re: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FLAME ME

2001-09-12 Thread PAUL STENQUIST
Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: I'd like to reply to the author, but such silly statements aren't really worth the effort. Then don't say anything. And don't characterize it as silly unless you're willing to say why. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To

Re: for Gianfranco was: All ok? READ THIS WARNING TOTAL OFF TOPIC SO DON'T FL...

2001-09-12 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I firmly hope the perpetrators to be found and prosecuted, but at the same time I do fear that the situation may evolve into a spiral of violence and authoritarianism. Gianfranco, I agree. Think of the days before World War I and/or World War II. We don't

Re: Terrorist attack against the U.S.

2001-09-12 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Us in lower case letters. That's what was attacked yesterday. Very good sentiments... Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery

AF Dilemma

2001-09-12 Thread darryn . richter
Advice required. I need to buy a basic AF (second hand) for my wife. I have found two options at a good price. MZ50 with standard Sigma zoom (28 - 80) SF7 with SMC-F 35-105 Both same price (approx 130 USD) in very good condition. Any help appreciated. Darryn Richter - This message is from the

Re: AF Dilemma

2001-09-12 Thread Paul Jones
My girlfriend has an Australia MZ50 with Sigma 28-80 and to takes pretty good shots. I think the metering leaves a little bit to be desireed. definately a god buy for the price. Sorry i dont know anything about the SF7 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Mike Johnston
pentax-discuss-digest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, they're not allowed to be taller than the capitol building. It's that way in all State capital cities, too. --Mike Wrong. Try Indianapolis. *sigh* Okay, it's that way in Washington, D.C. and in _some_ state capitals. Okay?

Re: The WTC constructions

2001-09-12 Thread Edmptx
In a message dated 9/12/2001 8:28:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, they're not allowed to be taller than the capitol building. It's that way in all State capital cities, too. --Mike Wrong. Try Indianapolis. *sigh* Okay, it's that

Remote Control F

2001-09-12 Thread Paul Jones
Hi, Does any one know what MZ series camera the Remote Control F works with? will it work with the MZ-S? I cant seem to find any info on this item on the Boz's site. I'm referring to Remote control F, not Cable Switch F. Thanks, Paul Jones - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List.

Photo of the week...

2001-09-12 Thread Nicholas Wright
Okay so I'm going to jump on the photo of the week bandwagon! :) You can view at: http://www.wrightfoto.com/ Nick - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at

Re: Bombing Japan - private

2001-09-12 Thread Frank Theriault
Ken, With the greatest of respect, civilians have been on the front lines since German bombers, supporting Franco, carpet bombed Madrid. After that, it was civilians in London and Manchester, in the Battle of Britain. Then it was civilians in Dresden, Nuremburg, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima and

RE: more WTC photos

2001-09-12 Thread Amita Guha
To quote an old song, What a difference a day makes. Now, more than ever, I value every day that I have been given. Tell me about it - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax

Silent Lenses

2001-09-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Assuming one is willing to give up the automatic diaphragm on SLR Pentax lenses, and use them only as a manually operated spot down lens, how much size and weight might be saved on a given focal length lens? Also, how much quieter might camera operation be by eliminating that lens feature and

Re: Best Zoom lens

2001-09-12 Thread Mark Cassino
I really struggled with this earlier this year. I settled on the A 28-135 f4 as the mainstay zoom. Color rendition and flare control and very good, sharpness is fine at f 8 and f11, but the corners get a astigmatic look at f4 and a little at f 5.6. I also carry a Vivitar Series 1 19-35 and

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