CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the c

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: >Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of >SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about >what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice >than SD cards,

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I would guess that they're pretty much the same, just a different size. I have no problem with either card. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:08 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority > of > SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Cotty wrote: > Seems to me that SD is becoming the consumer standard. CF is still a > professional standard and I don't see any sign of that changing. I > would > suspect that there are probably good reasons for that. Considering that most "pro" bodies are physicall

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Peter Loveday
> But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a > smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster > card every time. Why wouldn't you? Actually CompactFlash is capable of far higher speeds than SD. Not that it matters a whole lot, the I/O speeds on Pent

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed: >But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a >smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster >card every time. Why wouldn't you? I'm not saying I wouldn't. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ ||

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 22.08.2006, at 12:52 , Peter Loveday wrote: > Actually CompactFlash is capable of far higher speeds than SD. Not > that it > matters a whole lot, the I/O speeds on Pentax DSLRs is far from > stellar > (especially the *istD). > > Although no cards are actually capable of this kind of speed

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
m: "Peter Loveday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 7:22 am Size: 817 bytes To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a > smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd t

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Doug Franklin
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of > SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about > what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice > than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Adam Maas
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of > SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about > what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice > than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > are harder to lose Heh, my Ampex 501 is a lot harder to lose than my iPod, but when choosing a portable music player I'll go for the one that doesn't weigh more than my kid. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the > superiority of > SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think > about > what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better > choice > than SD cards, apart from some CF

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
But the SD card will pass easier Shel > [Original Message] > From: Doug Franklin > I really don't care for SD because it's so small > it's easier to drop, lose, fall down > the sewer grate, get swallowed by the dog, ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/m

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
So why should anyone care at this point what the "spec" is? Shel > Although no cards are actually capable of this kind of speed at the moment, > the current CF spec is capable of 133MB/sec (thats "886X"), where SD spec > (including SDHC) is only capable of 20MB/sec (133X) as far as I know.

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I have both a D and a Ds. So I use both cards. The shortcomings of CF cards mainly seem to be the mechanical connection. There's been much talk about pins breaking off on devices that accept them. If the CF socket is well designed and implemented, and you have 1/2 of a clue about what you'r

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
That's hardly a concern when comparing CF and SD cards. Unless you plan to lift them into orbit. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > >>are harder to lose >> >> > >Heh, my Ampex 501 is a lot harder to lose than my iPod, but when >choosing a portable

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Adam Maas
My experience is that CF is more fragile in actual practice than SD. CF's can and will shed the metal sides on occasion, exposing the ircuit board, especially when dropped or stepped on. SD's are rather tough in actual fact, and able to survive a fair bit more abuse. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Joseph Tainter
After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel - Make a case? The case for me is that it feels li

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I always carry my cards in either a small, individual case, which equates to a size equal to or somewhat larger than a CF card, or in a larger, multi-card case, which is 4"x3"x1", and which will hold 4 CF cards + 4 SD cards, and/or other cards. http://www.adorama.com/GPCSE4N.html Great case - ver

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 11:15 am Size: 794 bytes To: pdml@pdml.net After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a ca

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
So do I. I have a case logic leatherette thingy. Not as good as the one you're referring to, but the price was right. It takes time to get the case open and closed. The same is true of the individual containers. Sometimes what you want to photograph is happening "right now", so I'll tidy u

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Then you'd really hate the XD cards - Godfrey showed me the card used in his little Fuji - looks to be about 1/2 the size of an SD card. Shel > [Original Message] > From: P. J. Alling >My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http:

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote: > Make a case? The case for me is that it feels like Pentax has > gratuitously slapped me in the face. I bought an *ist D and supported > Pentax at a time when the company was reeling. In return, Pentax won't > even explain why CF cards have been a

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've dropped SD cards into my pants or shirt pocket with no ill effects. Accidentally put one through the washing machine once, it had no problems afterwards. Godfrey On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:56 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I have both a D and a Ds. So I use both cards. The shortcomings > of

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I've posted this a couple of times, but if it were an SD card it would be either be snapped in half or inside the dog... http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/cfcardassnack.html Adam Maas wrote: >My experience is that CF is more fragile in actual practice than SD. >CF's can and will shed the m

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
il List Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:37:23 -0400 On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Cotty wrote: > Seems to me that SD is becoming the consumer standard. CF is still a > professional standard and I don't see any sign of that changing. I > would > suspect tha

RE: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: "PDML" Subject: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:08:46 -0700 Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't see anyone changing those in the field. Shel Belinkoff wrote: >Then you'd really hate the XD cards - Godfrey showed me the card used in >his little Fuji - looks to be about 1/2 the size of an SD card. > >Shel > > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: P. J. Alling >> >> > > > >>My ma

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
Rally? Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 7:

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Tom, go ahead and compare the price difference on cards of the same speed. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 11:56 am Siz

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >I've dropped SD cards into my pants ... with no ill >effects Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Dis

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
happy with CF II (microdrives). :-) Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 22, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Tom C wrote: > Rally? Okay, Tom, I'll bite: what Pentax body using SD cards is slower to write to the card than the original *istD using CF cards? I freely admit to having used only the D, the DS, the DS2 and the DL and to only owning the DS2. Are the new K

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread John Forbes
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:11:28 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22/8/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I've dropped SD cards into my pants ... with no ill >> effects No ill effects on what? John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 22, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Tom C wrote: > I don't really care Aaron. If in use, I can't detect a difference (or > it's > negligible), the specs don't matter. Price may make a difference, but > not > memory card specs where the slowest link in the chain is probably the > camera > itself.

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 22, 2006, at 11:02 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > That's hardly a concern when comparing CF and SD cards. Unless you > plan > to lift them into orbit. Yes, thus the "heh" to convey the jokiness of the post, I, too, put SD cards in my pockets all the time and have not even come close to los

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:37 AM, John Forbes wrote: >>> I've dropped SD cards into my pants ... with no ill >>> effects > > No ill effects on what? lol ... the card, of course. hey, i just found a piece of the casing for my old Sony flash drive in the pants pocket too... been through the was

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread jtainter
For those of you who bought only the DS (or later) model, and feel that you need to criticise those who bought the D and would like to keep using our CF cards, consider this: If Pentax's new attitude is "back of the hand" to their customers' investments, what is to keep them from abandoning the

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Lets not go there. John Forbes wrote: >On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:11:28 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>On 22/8/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >> >>>I've dropped SD cards into my pants ... with no ill >>>effects >>> >>> > >No ill effects on wha

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
Huh? Over the years Pentax has provided better backward compatability than any other camera maker. I have two *istD cameras and don't feel the least bit slighted by Pentax's move to a different card configuration. Paul -- Original message -- From: jtainter <[EMA

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
pared them, but large margin? How large? Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
If that happens, I suppose each of us will decide whether or not to upgrade. I expect things to change over time and wouldn't consider pentax to be bad guys when or if changes take place. As far as lenses go, fifty years or so of compatibility or adaptabilty's not a bad run. I don't think anyone

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:51 AM, jtainter wrote: > For those of you who bought only the DS (or later) model, and feel > that you need to criticise those who bought the D and would like to > keep using our CF cards, consider this: > > If Pentax's new attitude is "back of the hand" to their custome

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On 8/22/06, jtainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not the money. It's the attitude Pentax has displayed. > > Joe > What attitude? If you want to complain about something, I'd recommend the stop-down coupler which is currently missing from the digital SLRs, btw. Actually I think that support

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'd say about twice as fast, maybe a bit more ... at least for the DS/DS2 and the DL series. Can't speak to the newer cameras. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Tom C > > You wrote "The *ist D isn't worth comparing, speed-wise, as even Pentax's > cheapest DSLR > outperforms it by a large ma

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
speed, I'd take the 2x buffer (but I'm going off on a tangent). Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: "Pentax-Discu

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
bursts one after another. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 1:46 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net Shooting .jpgs or RAW? H

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Adam Maas
; -Aaron > > -- > http://aaronreynolds.ca > http://battersbox.ca > http://hardballtimes.com > > -Original Message----- > > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards > Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 1:46 pm > Size: 1K > To: pdml@pdml.net &g

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I wouldn't put the DL in that category. It may write to the card faster, and will clearly benefit from a faster card. But the D has a larger buffer so it's first few shots will be faster. Then it will slow down and depending on the card speed maybe fall behind. Pentax giveth Pentax taketh a

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
uying it without giving the competition a good look. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: jtainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 12:51 pm Size: 588 bytes To: pdml@pdml.net F

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread John Forbes
Joe, You are ridiculous. The attitude Pentax has displayed over lenses is that it has kept better compatibility than any other manufacturer, and shows no sign of changing that now. When they discovered that some people wanted to use thirty year-old lenses on the *ist D, they issued a fix s

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Adam Maas
The D has about 1 extra shot available over the DL. So you lose 1 shot and gain the ability to not wait a minute before shooting again. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: > I wouldn't put the DL in that category. It may write to the card > faster, and will clearly benefit from a faster card. But the

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I'd call that marketing discovering the engineering department was right after all. Pentax made a recovery from a stupid move. It was trying to build market share and forgot that it's best marketing is done word of mouth by current users. Once Pentax had a product that a lot of people might

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Since I seldom shoot more than a burst of three I hardly notice. However as I said it's mixed bag with the DL vs the D you can make a valid argument either way. One thing the D has over the DS/DL[2] is the shape of it hand grip. Yes I know the later cameras are much easier to grip than the D

RE: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Bob W
I do -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of P. J. Alling > Sent: 22 August 2006 17:03 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > > I don't see anyone changing those in t

RE: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Bob W
ds. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > Sent: 22 August 2006 16:02 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > > I always carry my cards in either a small, individual ca

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >lol ... the card, of course. hey, i just found a piece of the casing >for my old Sony flash drive in the pants pocket too... been through >the wash several times, and it mated up perfectly, I've glued it back >together now. ;-) Let

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/8/06, jtainter, discombobulated, unleashed: >It's not the money. It's the attitude Pentax has displayed. Joseph. I am a Canon shooter now, tried and tested. Pentax blew me off by teasing me with the MZ-D and just as i was waiting to pounce - it was whisked away out of reach. I skulked off a

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do Daredevil! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pd

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What attitude? If you want to complain about something, I'd recommend > the stop-down coupler which is currently missing from the digital > SLRs, btw. > Actually I think that supporting a single card format (SD. Well, the > *istD i

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe, > > You are ridiculous. The attitude Pentax has displayed over lenses is that > it has kept better compatibility than any other manufacturer, and shows no > sign of changing that now. When they discovered that some people wanted > to use

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
>From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:17:09 +1000 > >On 23/08/06, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you mean like when they decided to go with APS-C and call the new lenses > 'digital lenses'? Which all the mfrs, did as a means to get into the DLSR > market quickly, cut costs on DSLR production, and sell a wagonload of new > lenses? > > Like tha

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
It was a no-brainer for me to stick with a Pentax DSLR since I could use my older lenses with it. IMO, it's not only loyalty but smart marketing. In fact, some of the press releases I've read on the new cameras make a point of the cameras being able to use 30+ yo lenses. And don't think word of

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> When they "discovered" that some people wanted to use thirty year-old lenses ? > > You are kidding, dropping the aperture simulator was no more than a > bold move by marketing to create a demand for new lenses. Absolutely. Rather than let the new *real* features of newer lenses (Progr

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Doug Franklin
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Frankly, I'd rather buy some new cards than buy 10 or 20 lenses. Amen. Especially stuff like the FA* 200/2.8 and F* 300/4 ... they were hard enough to get for a reasonable price the first time around. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdm

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
AIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:53:58 -0700 > >It was a no-brainer for me to stick with a Pentax DSLR since I could use my >older lenses with it. IMO, it&#x

RE: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Digital Image Studio > Sent: 22 August 2006 22:22 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > > On 23/08/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > &

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Tom C
>I guess part of the problem with moving forward at this point is that >they've backed themselves into a corner to a degree, moving to full >frame sensor technologies will have the cropped lens brigade screaming >like stuck pigs. > >-- >Rob Studdert Oink oink, Rhee rhee! No offense intended. To

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
They haven't backed themselves into a corner. They made a business decision based on sensor cost vs. the quality that could be achieved with APS-C. Based on the way things are going in terms of both new products and sales, it looks like they made the right decision. The only brigade that's

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
any new lenses? Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Tom C wrote: >> From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards >> Date: Wed, 23 A

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
You're a braver man than I... Bob W wrote: >I do > >-- >Cheers, > Bob > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of P. J. Alling >>Sent: 22 August 2006 17:03 >>To: Pentax-Disc

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'm no optics expert, although I played one on a local TV show A while ago Bruce and I met for dinner, and I "kinda komplained" about the lack of a Pentax camera with a "full frame" sensor. Bruce pointed out that using a 24x36 frame can often result in soft and poorly defined edges due, as you s

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They haven't backed themselves into a corner. They made a business > decision based on sensor cost vs. the quality that could be achieved > with APS-C. Based on the way things are going in terms of both new > products and sales, it looks like

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm not insisting on FF, but I expect Pentax to introduce FF as soon as 1.) the technology permits a cost effective FF camera. or 2.) Pentax builds it's user base enough to sell a super flagship, (I won't call it professional), body, and expect to sell enough of them for it to at least recover

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Pentax is building a base with APS-C and DA lenses. I doubt that you'll see them dump them with a camera that won't accept DA lenses. Pentax has repeatedly said that it's large sensor pro camera will be the 645D. Why do we continue to doubt them? Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:16 PM, P. J. Alling

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Okay:-). Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 23/08/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> They haven't backed themselves into a corner. They made a business >> decision based on sensor cost vs. the quality that could be achieved >> with APS-C. Based on the

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pentax is building a base with APS-C and DA lenses. I doubt that > you'll see them dump them with a camera that won't accept DA lenses. > Pentax has repeatedly said that it's large sensor pro camera will be > the 645D. Why do we continue to d

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Because the marketers are in charge now. I've dealt with marketing companies, I've worked for them. 1 day beyond 5 years is eternity for for a marketing company, don't expect a plan or a promise to last beyond that. Paul Stenquist wrote: >Pentax is building a base with APS-C and DA lenses. I

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I doubt that I will buy a 645D. I think the K10 will meet my needs. I've found that I can please all of my clients with *istD images. That list includes a number of well respected publications and a range of stock buyers. I'm a little fussier than some of them, so I would prefer a slight up

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Not true. I've worked all my life in the advertising and marketing biz. You don't throw away an owner base. Pentax has a history of recognizing the value of that base. I'm sure they will continue to do so. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:50 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Because the marketers are in c

Re: CF v SD Cards

2006-08-22 Thread David Savage
I agree about the CA, but I've noticed that DA lenses aren't as sharp or contrasty as my FA lenses. YMMV. Dave (yet to be convinced that DA's are any better than FA's) On 8/23/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The image circle of DA lenses is better suited to the size of the > senso

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2006-08-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
My experience is exactly the opposite. However, one has to compare zooms to zooms and primes to primes. Thus far, all my DA lenses are zooms. I doubt that Pentax has regressed in optical technology. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:46 PM, David Savage wrote: > I agree about the CA, but I've noticed

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2006-08-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele
John Forbes wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:11:28 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 22/8/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >> I've dropped SD cards into my pants ... with no ill > >> effects > > No ill effects on what? > > John > LOL! what i was thin

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2006-08-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Doug Franklin wrote: > > > > CF cards are harder (for me, anyway) to lose, and they're easier to > manipulate than SD cards. And, if you have any loss of mobility in your > fingers or hands, ease of manipulation is a _big_ deal. I really don't > care for SD because it's so small it's easie

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2006-08-22 Thread David Savage
It's just my gut feeling, nothing scientific. But I'm of the opinion that optically my FA28-105mm f4-5.6 PZ & FA80-200 f2.8 outperform my DA16-45 f4 & DA10-17 f3.5-4.5. Probably because when using the FA's on digital your taking advantage of the lens sweet spot. With the reduced image circle of th

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2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > And whilst I agree that the Pentax bodies are selling well at the > moment I'm still not convinced that the volume is sustainable or > particularly profitable as they appear to be priced ridiculously low. And yet somehow their camera div

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2006-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/06, Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > > > And whilst I agree that the Pentax bodies are selling well at the > > moment I'm still not convinced that the volume is sustainable or > > particularly profitable as they appear

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2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > From: Outline of Finances and Business Results in 1st Quarter of 2006 > Business Year (Consolidated) What months are those? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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2006-08-22 Thread David Savage
At 12:14 PM 23/08/2006, you wrote: >On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > > > From: Outline of Finances and Business Results in 1st Quarter of 2006 > > Business Year (Consolidated) > >What months are those? It says on the first page. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Lis

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2006-08-22 Thread David Savage
"2. An outline of financial and business results for the first quarter of 2006 business year (from April 1, 2006 to June 30, 2006):" Dave At 12:49 PM 23/08/2006, you wrote: >On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:21 AM, David Savage wrote: > > > It says on the first page. > >Care to share? I'm reading my mai

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2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:21 AM, David Savage wrote: > It says on the first page. Care to share? I'm reading my mail on my Palm, and its PDF support is, well, substandard. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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2006-08-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > > instead of complaining, I might want to look at the smaller digi > sensor as > just a different format, and to stop comparing it to 35mm. That made > sense. It made enough sense t

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2006-08-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:57 AM, David Savage wrote: > "2. An outline of financial and business results for the first quarter > of > 2006 business year > (from April 1, 2006 to June 30, 2006):" Hrm -- I'll have to place an inquiry as to where the numbers I was fed come from. -Aaron -- PDML Pen

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2006-08-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > If I was sitting on an A 15/3.5, I would move it and replace it with > the DA 12-24, but that's just me. I thought of that, after buying the 14/2.8. The thing is, if I need a really wide a

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2006-08-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > > On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > >> And whilst I agree that the Pentax bodies are selling well at the >> moment I'm still not convinced that the volu

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2006-08-23 Thread Thibouille
A 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC is available from Sigma BTW. Yes I know what most people think about Sigma, I agree but when there's no alternative: why not... 2006/8/23, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stenquist" > Subject:

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2006-08-23 Thread Thibouille
ws an historical trend: people prefer little & less quality than bigger & better quality. I expect this to continue... 2006/8/23, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" > Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards > > >

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2006-08-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
This information predates the release of the K100, which by all accounts is in huge demand. My local camera store, which sold only a handful of the various D models, tells me that the K100 and DA lenses are now among their top sellers. According to them, it's a sea change. Paul On Aug 23, 2006,

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2006-08-23 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:54:35 +0100, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, inter alia: - get rid of that goofy smiling > face and the silly flower on the mode dial, replace them with a "broad" > wearing a tight sweater and packing a .38 - and would make me very happy. Two 38s would be eve

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