Metering Question

2015-02-07 Thread Mark C
I've been thinking about converting either my K-5 or K-01 to be a dedicated infrared body. I've been assuming that the K-01 metered off the sensor and that in live view the K-5 did as well. I also assumed that this would result in more accurate metering, since it based on the IR spectrum that

Re: Metering Question

2015-02-07 Thread David J Brooks
dont know but interesting question. I'll follow this one. Dave On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been thinking about converting either my K-5 or K-01 to be a dedicated infrared body. I've been assuming that the K-01 metered off the sensor and that in

Re: metering question

2010-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Of Paul Sorenson Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: metering question  I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially since there's such a wide dynamic range between the highlights and shadows.  Consider getting and learning to use

Re: metering question

2010-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Sorenson Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: metering question  I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially since there's such a wide dynamic range between the highlights and shadows.  Consider getting and learning to use an incident

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread Pasvorn Boonmark
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:09 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: I like the first two more than the rest.  How bizarre is that? Me too. As to the way I would meter... I usually meter similar to what Larry suggests. - Set desire ISO, probably 400 - Set for spot meter, manual mode

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread Cotty
On 28/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I think flash fill is the obvious answer. You'll rarely find a pro PJ photographer shooting in daylight without a good flash mounted. It's the best way to bring light to the foreground. Like this :-)

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread David Savage
I'd spot meter for the skin tone highlights and go down the high contrast route, The structure and shadows will create some very interesting patterns. DS On 28 August 2010 23:13, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 29, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Cotty wrote: On 28/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I think flash fill is the obvious answer. You'll rarely find a pro PJ photographer shooting in daylight without a good flash mounted. It's the best way to bring light to the foreground.

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7707074 Yep! Well that's an absolute classic case - and very evenly matched up, you've got evening (I presume) sunlight hitting the building and even the guy's face (black T, blue cap, my gut) and

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 29, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7707074 Yep! Well that's an absolute classic case - and very evenly matched up, you've got evening (I presume) sunlight hitting the building and

metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Christine Aguila
I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos were taken with the K7

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
Christine, Wow that is really challenging light when you're using a wide angle lens. The bright sunlight beyond 'under the tracks' really biases the exposures. The first 3 shots with the K-20 are just too dark. It looks like the K-7 did better, but those blow out the sunlight to see into the

RE: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread John Sessoms
From: Christine Aguila I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
As expected, the k7 did a much better job of metering. I think you're about right with those. You have to expect the somewhat blown backgrounds if your subjects are properly exposed. I might shoot a test or two with multipoint metering, look at the histo, then adjust exposure comp if necessary.

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. I might put the camera on spot metering and use that to set

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread George Sinos
Christine - this looks like an interesting project for many reasons. I can't give you any specifics, but here are a few things to think about. This is a situation where shooting in raw can be very helpful. You'll be able to squeeze more dynamic range from your images with raw originals. Maybe

RE: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Bob W
I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos were taken with the

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread mike wilson
Christine Aguila wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Paul Sorenson
I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially since there's such a wide dynamic range between the highlights and shadows. Consider getting and learning to use an incident meter. Minolta, Gossen, Pentax, Sekonic are usually considered the standards. I have a cheapy (relatively

RE: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread J.C. O'Connell
/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sorenson Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: metering question I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially since there's

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
As a footnote to this, flash would do a lot here to bring the foreground exposure closer to the background. I'd probably start with a full measure and then try maybe a minus half stop. You won't even see it in the results, but the results will be better. Paul On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:01 PM, paul

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Bob W wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Derby Chang
Christine Aguila wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos

RE: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Bob W
I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos were taken

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Christine Aguila wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Bob W wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:35 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Bob W wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3

RE: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Bob W
http://www.caguila.com/caguila/trackstest I would shoot at the sensor's 'natural' iso - 100, 160 or whatever, which will give you the most dynamic range. Meter for the highlights and use the histogram to make sure you're exposing as far to the right as you can. If she

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 29 August 2010 09:55, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I did suggest later in my original reply that Christine should be looking to exclude highlights from the frame when the contrast is too great. Personally I would try to avoid shooting under such extreme ranges of contrast unless I was

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 29 August 2010 09:55, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I did suggest later in my original reply that Christine should be looking to exclude highlights from the frame when the contrast is too great. Personally I would try to avoid

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Christine Aguila
Everyone has made good suggestions, and I aim to try all of them. I'd like to do a small gallery of this subject following the seasons and holidays. In the next month or so, I'll post my 1st go round. I see this as a challenging project, but hopefully the ole'college try will help to overcome

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Jack Davis
, 8/28/10, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: metering question To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:15 PM Everyone has made good suggestions, and I aim to try all of them.  I'd like

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Christine, here is a number of ideas that came to my mind, numbered in total randomness... 1. All shots you presented seem exposed ok to me. 2. K7 is more prone to burning highlights, therefore you might want to go like this: a. set it to spot metering b. choose the point in the scene that

Re: Trains [was: Metering Question]

2007-09-16 Thread Adam Maas
Nice story. I grew up in a couple places heavily shaped by rail. The first being the Okanagan Valley (I hiked Myra Canyon and other parts of the Kettle Valley Railway as a Boy Scout as well as with my father) and Sudbury, ON, which was a railroad town long before the nickel (My mother's back yard

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-10 Thread John Sessoms
I was talking about the web site itself not being friendly to rail enthusiasts. Yeah it's ok for the tourists, but it doesn't tell me what I want to know. Most of the steam railroad web-pages have a link for the real old-timer steam buffs that takes you to a listing of the equipment the

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-10 Thread P. J. Alling
As I said,.poorly, it's a tourist oriented website and attraction. Why don't you drop them an e-mail with suggestions? John Sessoms wrote: I was talking about the web site itself not being friendly to rail enthusiasts. Yeah it's ok for the tourists, but it doesn't tell me what I want to

OT: was Metering Question (now Steam trains)

2007-09-10 Thread Bob Sullivan
Steam railfans are an odd lot. In the early 70's, I worked for a railroad at their headquarters. Most steam disappeared from US railroads by the early 50's, forced out by desiel electric locomotives. Our operating department was staffed by folks who grew-up operating steam, former train

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-10 Thread Rebekah
I think it looks like great fun. I love trains! rg2 On 9/10/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said,.poorly, it's a tourist oriented website and attraction. Why don't you drop them an e-mail with suggestions? John Sessoms wrote: I was talking about the web site itself not

Trains [was: Metering Question]

2007-09-10 Thread Bob Blakely
I grew up in Rutland. It was the second largest city in Vermont with 16,000 souls. The road from my rural home to town took us over an arched cement/steel bridge that spanned a narrower part of the Rutland yard. This was the one of , if not the largest yard in New England at the time. It was

Re: Trains [was: Metering Question]

2007-09-10 Thread Bob Sullivan
Nice story Bob. Before 1st grade, our apartment was on a street ending 1 1/2 blocks south in a Northwestern roundhouse near in to downtown Chicago. I used to beg to go down to the roundhouse and watch the Steam Engines. These are some of my earliest memories. Regards, Bob S. On 9/10/07, Bob

Re: Trains [was: Metering Question]

2007-09-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks for sharing your memory. I miss my dad as well. Dads are special. Paul On Sep 10, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: I grew up in Rutland. It was the second largest city in Vermont with 16,000 souls. The road from my rural home to town took us over an arched cement/steel bridge

Re: Trains [was: Metering Question]

2007-09-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
My grandmother lived about one block south of the Rock Island line on the south side of Chicago. I remember watching the steam engines chug into the station on 89th and Loomis. Again, it's a very early memory. I was perhaps five years old -- 1953.Then they were gone. But I'm glad that I

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-09 Thread Doug Franklin
Rebekah wrote: nice shot! There's a tank graveyard on base at Aberdeen proving grounds in Maryland, have you ever been there? They don't go anywhere either ;) I haven't been there in about 30 years, but one of my best afternoons as a kid was going through that display and the museum at

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-09 Thread Rebekah
No. :( where is that train located? I haven't been there in about 30 years, but one of my best afternoons as a kid was going through that display and the museum at Aberdeen. I hope to get back there in the next year or two. I didn't get to see the museum :( but they have this huge gun on a

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The Valley Railroad, in Essex Connecticut. It's a working Steam Railway museum. They run a couple of Restored Steam Loco's and have a couple of Modern Chinese Steam Loco's, (one of which they run on the line as well, the other on display), (to the untrained eye, with most of the extra metal

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroomsink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-09 Thread graywolf
Ah, but the problem is that Mr Joe Littleguy is a lot easier to regulate than Mr Big Industry Lobbiest. Now of course their are only about 0.1% as many folks doing chemical based photography, but that never did stop the lawmakers from doing their thing. In fact they like it because they are not

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroomsink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
So far I haven't seen such a regulation proposed, nor can I imagine how it could be reasonably enforced. graywolf wrote: Ah, but the problem is that Mr Joe Littleguy is a lot easier to regulate than Mr Big Industry Lobbiest. Now of course their are only about 0.1% as many folks doing

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling The Valley Railroad, in Essex Connecticut. It's a working Steam Railway museum. They run a couple of Restored Steam Loco's and have a couple of Modern Chinese Steam Loco's, (one of which they run on the line as well, the other on display), (to the untrained eye, with most

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
No, it's a tourist attraction site. It's not that they discourage visitors, but they're old fashioned, no digital computers in the age of steam, (but I bet they'd love to have a Babbage Difference Engine to display). John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling The Valley Railroad, in Essex

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread David Mann
On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Tom C wrote: Totally OT - Chocolate covered jalapenos. Now there's a combination to be marketed! Sounds like a winner combining the 'feel good' chocolate effects and the endorphines produced by the capsaicin burn. We tried adding a couple of little dried

RE: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread Bob W
Sent: 08 September 2007 01:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Metering Question thanks :o) that's an interesting recipe, I'll have to try it out. It doesn't look like an actual fudge recipe - you have to get it to 234 or 235 fahrenheit, which takes FOREVER when you have to stand

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread David Savage
On 9/8/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nothing beats a tried and true recipe. If I make it to the next GFM, maybe we can have some hot balls to munch on. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCVT9lDwPM4mode=relatedsearch= That was a little too predictable. I picked that before I clicked

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread David J Brooks
On a related note. I have a bottle of Tmax developer and a bottle of fix, never opened and about a year or year and a half old. Its on my gadget bag table about 20 odd feet from any window, but does get the diffused light from the windows. Do you think it would still be ok. Or is it a nessesity to

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Tmax developer seems to last a long time. I used some from a bottle that was three or four years old. Seemed fine. Works well on tri-x or faster film. Paul On Sep 8, 2007, at 8:00 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On a related note. I have a bottle of Tmax developer and a bottle of fix, never

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Paul. I might just go back to doing my own and saving a drive downtown. Its a 100 km round trip from here to the store and i can only get there on certain Saturdays. Right now its three trips, so if i can make only two... Dave On 9/8/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tmax

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread Bob Blakely
This was about a STILL photo, or didn't you know? Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow. - Original Message - From: graywolf

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rebekah Silver is a cumulative toxin like mercury. I don't think it's such a good idea to pour used fixer down the drains. Where would you take it then? I've heard that lots of places that dispose of liquid waste like used oil just pour it down the drain too. Is there a way to

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroomsink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread Bob Blakely
If silver oxide is such a toxin, why do we still value and use silverware? OTOH, if you process enough, silver recovery can net you some small change. Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). Paul On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: This was about a STILL photo, or didn't you know? Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread Rebekah
Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). Bull. They always stand still when I need to get across the tracks in a hurry. rg2 On 9/8/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). Paul On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: This was about

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroomsink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread Rebekah
So, I guess the best thing is to talk to a local lab (mini or otherwise) and see if they'll take the used fix for proper disposal according to whatever the local law is. Thanks, I'll see if anyone around here will take it :o) rg2 On 9/8/07, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If silver

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread P. J. Alling
This one always stands still for photo ops... http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_disabled.html (an old PESO) Rebekah wrote: Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). Bull. They always stand still when I need to get across the tracks in a hurry. rg2 On 9/8/07, Paul

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread Rebekah
nice shot! There's a tank graveyard on base at Aberdeen proving grounds in Maryland, have you ever been there? They don't go anywhere either ;) rg2 On 9/8/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one always stands still for photo ops...

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-08 Thread P. J. Alling
No. Rebekah wrote: nice shot! There's a tank graveyard on base at Aberdeen proving grounds in Maryland, have you ever been there? They don't go anywhere either ;) rg2 On 9/8/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one always stands still for photo ops...

Re: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroomsink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Rebekah wrote: So, I guess the best thing is to talk to a local lab (mini or otherwise) and see if they'll take the used fix for proper disposal according to whatever the local law is. Thanks, I'll see if anyone around here will take it :o) rg2 I think you guys are

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: You're taking it the wrong way completely. Fun for him to meditate while developing/printing film, but big . The digital route is cheaper in the long run. Ah, I just didn't understand what you meant at all given the way the quote and your

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Glen Tortorella
Hi Adam, Recently, I have gotten some rolls of non-C41 BW, some Fuji Acros 100. I see you mention mailers here, indicating that they are cheaper. What (or who) do you recommend for developing these prints? I would like to be economical--but get good quality--and a mailer would be fine.

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Adam Maas
I Agree 100% -Adam Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You pays your money and likes what you likes. As long as the photos are what I want, I'm happy. G On Sep 6, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Fun, but $ Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Adam Maas
John Sessoms wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think Adam is correct. The popularity of the disposals is waning. Most cellphones can take a better picture than a plastic lens, fixed focus disposable. And consumers will eventually figure that out. But films that are applicable to fine art

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: All I know is what I see, and I'm getting nine disposable 35mm cameras for every one 35mm roll of film. About half the 35mm rolls I do get are chromogenic BW film and I get the occasional disposable camera loaded with that film. I'd also say about half the disposable

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Adam Maas
Glen, Mailers are a cheap option for getting E6 slide film processed. They are not economical for BW. For cheap processing of Fuji Acros, do it yourself. I recommend Agfa or AO Rodinal at 1:50 dilution for 12 minutes at 20C, 30 seconds initial agitation with 2 inversions per minute. Should run

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Glen Tortorella
Whoa, $0.60 a roll--that beats the heck out of $16.95 (plus tax)! Unfortunately, I have never developed a roll of film. What equipment would I need? I do not have a darkroom per se. I have a basement. Would I be able to develop at night in my basement? Regards, Glen On Sep 7, 2007, at

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread graywolf
And there is such a thing as a daylight loading developing tank. I have one made by Kodak. Never have found instructions for loading it and about half my tries resulted in a destroyed roll of film sigh. I rather think it was not designed for modern super thin film. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote: Glen, Mailers are a cheap option for getting E6 slide film processed. They are not economical for BW. For cheap processing of Fuji Acros, do it yourself. I recommend Agfa or AO Rodinal at 1:50 dilution for 12 minutes at 20C, 30 seconds initial agitation with 2 inversions

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread David Savage
On 9/7/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developing film is easy. You need a tank, a couple spools to load film on, a couple graduated cylinders for measuring chemicals, a thermometer, squeegee and some film hangers for drying. Chemical-wise, developer (I use Rodinal and TMax

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you very much, Scott. I have been wanting to try developing my own prints, but I have feared doing so. I tend to be a perfectionist, and I fear disappointment. I do not have the equipment, either. What would I need? It would be great to have someone show me the correct way of

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Adam Maas
Developing film is easy. You need a tank, a couple spools to load film on, a couple graduated cylinders for measuring chemicals, a thermometer, squeegee and some film hangers for drying. Chemical-wise, developer (I use Rodinal and TMax Developer), stop bath and fixer are all that's required.

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread graywolf
It takes a pretty large changing bag to fit an enlarger in it grin. I did know a guy once who had a darkroom setup in a trailer he hauled around to events with him. David Savage wrote: On 9/7/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developing film is easy. You need a tank, a couple spools

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you very much, Scott. I have been wanting to try developing my own prints, but I have feared doing so. I tend to be a perfectionist, and I fear disappointment. I do not have the equipment, either. What would I need? It would be great to have someone

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
To develop film you need only a tank, reels, and a changing bag. You can do it anywhere. The changing bag allows you to work in a lit room. Printing requires much more, including an enlarger, an easel, a focusing magnifier, and trays. But used darkroom equipment is very inexpensive these days.

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My modern film to print darkroom equipment: - Changing bag - Daylight development tank (16oz capacity, two reels 35mm size) - accurate thermometer for the range from 60 to 120 degrees F - timer (up to 60 minutes, seconds counter useful) - graduates for mixing and measuring chemistry - mixing

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
The movie folks seem to be able to do this with ease, but then they use a movie head with a large pan handle and smth movements. I've never tried it but it seems that it would work, especially for trains. Unfortunately, good movie heads are quite expensive. Regards, Bob...

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
And the movie folk get as many takes as they want. Okay, back her up and do it again. Not to mention that they can get their frame and focus with the train parked. Gnerally, they mark the lens for different focus points along the track, and as the train moves with the camera rolling, the

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you, Scott. The developing sounds like something I could perhaps do. The darkroom sounds more involved (and costly). Adam says his bathroom is too small for printing, and so he scans and prints digitally. Do you do likewise? I would be able to make nice prints with a dedicated

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
You don't need no stinking squeegee, get your fingers nice and wet and use them. Works fine and I've scratched less film that way, (zero rolls), than I have using a dirty squeegee. Adam Maas wrote: Developing film is easy. You need a tank, a couple spools to load film on, a couple graduated

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
They also take detailed measurements and choreograph the movements of the train, a camera platform and the lens zoom ahead of time. Then shoot it more than once correcting for any oversights as they go along. They only make it look easy. Bob Blakely wrote: The movie folks seem to be able to

Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). was [Re: Metering Question]

2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). 1. Someplace dark to move film around, (I use a closet after midnight, but I'm thinking of investing in a film changing bag). 2. Film developing tank, (I prefer stainless steel with PVC plastic tops, but

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2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
Yep. I never found a squeege that worked as well as my fingers to clear the water. I also used that anti-spotting agent in the final bath. Can't remember what it's called. Been out of the darkroom too long:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling

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2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. I never found a squeege that worked as well as my fingers to clear the water. I also used that anti-spotting agent in the final bath. Can't remember what it's called. Been out of the darkroom too long:-). Paul Kodak calls it Photoflo. It's basically a

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
Whether you're handholding or using a tripod with a pan head for your still shotof the train, you still can't: 1....take detailed measurements and choreograph the movements of the train, a camera platform and the lens zoom ahead of time. 2. ... shoot it more than once correcting for any

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
You keep the train in frame the frame of your choice until you pass the point of shutter trip. You can know where that point is whether you hand hold or use a tripod. Regards, Bob... Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
This information is invaluable. I'm saving it to my computer for future reference. Thank you so much. By the way, what scanner do you use? rg2 On 9/7/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). 1.

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2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I have an Acer 2720s film scanner for 35mm negatives and slides, (their scanner business was bought by Benq, who dropped the product line a year or so ago apparently), that I need to reconnect to my computer. It was reasonably priced and reasonably specifications when I bought it. I've been

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2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
I have no idea what you're asking. You said the movie folk make it look easy. I tried to explain that while it may look easy in the finished product, it takes a lot of work to get there. Nothing more. Peter attempted to make the same point. When shooting with a camera on tripod with a movie

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2007-09-07 Thread Glen Tortorella
I have done it many times. It is much easier when holding the camera with one's hands. Glen On Sep 7, 2007, at 3:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what you're asking. You said the movie folk make it look easy. I tried to explain that while it may look easy in the finished

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2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote: Equipment for developing BW film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). 1. Someplace dark to move film around, (I use a closet after midnight, but I'm thinking of investing in a film changing bag). 2. Film developing tank, (I prefer stainless steel with

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2007-09-07 Thread John Francis
The folks operating those cameras have had years of practice, too. On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: The movie folks seem to be able to do this with ease, but then they use a movie head with a large pan handle and smth movements. I've never tried it but it

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2007-09-07 Thread drew
You can also do colour with pretty much the same gear, but it has to be done at a higher temperature, to get the temperature right it is easy to dunk the bottles of chemicals into a sink of tap-hot water, after 10 mins the whole lot is at about the right temp, you only need to maintain the

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2007-09-07 Thread Mat Maessen
On 9/7/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Someplace dark to move film around, (I use a closet after midnight, but I'm thinking of investing in a film changing bag). You can get a film changing bag from BH for $25 or so. Works quite nicely, once you get the hang of loading film onto

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2007-09-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: graywolf It takes a pretty large changing bag to fit an enlarger in it grin. I did know a guy once who had a darkroom setup in a trailer he hauled around to events with him. They're also not that convenient if you prefer the lift-rod method of agitation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

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