Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" Subject: RE: Some more new camera speculation Why ask only Rob. Ask all the photogs, that uses Canons or Kodak kameras with larger sensors! The anser is of cource better resolution with less limitations, caused by the lens resolut

RE: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. marts 2006 00:01 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Some more new camera speculation Rob, Just what is the attraction of a 35mm-sized sensor on digital? It's much more expensive, both for the body and the lenses (note how much cheaper the DA macro lenses, for ins

RE: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
ancis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. marts 2006 00:00 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:51:21AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 28 Feb 2006 at 13:11, John Francis wrote: > > > Hmm. So if the power contact

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/01/06 9:54 AM, "Jack Davis", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A prime clarifying example of knowledge revealing the absurdity of > emotional assumptions. >> The Contax N Digital was nearly two years late to dealers, sold poorly and >> performed even more poorly due to chip and firmware problems,

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Jack Davis
A prime clarifying example of knowledge revealing the absurdity of emotional assumptions. Thanks, Bob! Jack --- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > > >> You are not feeling especially smart, either. > >> I recall that Pentax was pretty b

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Lon Williamson
Weren't the early 645s pure mechanical coupling? If so, given that this is the beast that Pentax is taking into the Pro DLSR arena, what are the chances that the 645 prototype at PMA does retain mechanical couplings? Anyone? -Lon John Forbes wrote: Just what is the attraction of a 35mm-sized

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:26:09 -, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You are not feeling especially smart, either. I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being marketable due to sensor issues. So you are telling me

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Bob Shell
On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You are not feeling especially smart, either. I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being marketable due to sensor issues. So you are telling me that they didn't know this or it wasn't an issue when it was shown to th

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people are just pissed that their 25-year-old lenses need a whole extra press of a button to work on the new cameras. Terrible isn't it, especially since the FA lenses give you all those new features, like USM and IS... They ev

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread David Savage
When you disagree with someones point of view it's "pissing & moaning", when you concur it's a valid opinion?!! Dave On 3/1/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You folks just love hearing yourselves piss and moan. It's > embarrassing to even listen to it. > > G

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Rob Studdert wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:28, John Forbes wrote: Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are worth more than they were new. Of my late purchases looking at what

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You folks just love hearing yourselves piss and moan. It's embarrassing to even listen to it. That ought to be in the Pentax quotations for 2006, and no smiley this time. Well put Godfrey. Jostein

RE: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Jens Bladt
Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 1. marts 2006 07:07 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation On 28 Feb 2006 at 20:09, Adam Maas wrote: > Small market with high shipping costs and higher

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 21:27, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > You folks just love hearing yourselves piss and moan. It's > embarrassing to even listen to it. Surely you know how to invoke a mail filter. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://me

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
This thread isn't about "new camera speculation". It's about whining and moaning that some folks made what they now consider a bad decision and blame Pentax for it by saying 'Pentax led them on'. Feh. Pile of bullshit. Pentax' crystal ball is as murky as anyone else's. They do what they can

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 21:34, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > While you have that fever, make me happy and send me some fast glass. I'll trade you some CAD :-) I've earmarked an initial eight lenses to go in in the very near future, most are pretty fast for their FLs. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

Re: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 20:09, Adam Maas wrote: > Small market with high shipping costs and higher payroll costs than the US. > > Canada's bad enough for pricing vs the US, and we're next door so the > shipping costs don't figure into it, we do however have the other two > problems. Try a greedy dis

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation I do find it amusing that we still wail that Pentax isn't "as good" as the competition. They haven't been "as good" as the competition for about the last

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread David Savage
om: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: Some more new camera speculation > Date: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:19 pm > Size: 330 bytes > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:06, John Forbes wrote: > > > Make us happy and buy the Canon.

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread David Savage
Sure, but we pay through the nose.. My 31 cost AU$1830, the 77 cost AU$1150, both bought in late 2004. I seriously doubt that I could get that much for selling them now. Most I suspect refuse to pay the high local asking price and buy online from overseas. Another example of how we're getting sc

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Aaron Reynolds
While you have that fever, make me happy and send me some fast glass. -Aaron -Original Message- From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: Some more new camera speculation Date: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:19 pm Size: 330 bytes To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net On 1

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Rob Studdert wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 11:21, Rob Studdert wrote: I really hate.. ..sending stuff to the list that was meant to be private :-( Seems to have happened to most of us at one time or another. (sent to the list on purpose)

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've been in the market since 1975. In the US, most Pentax lenses are worth more than they cost new. But I can understand that Australia is a special case. Of course those lenses are just as expensive for other Australians. If there's enough of a local market, I would think it's not that much o

Re: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/28/06 8:48 PM, "Rob Studdert", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As you can see that there is no way I will see sale prices even approaching my purchase prices. Perhaps you should move here so that you can walk upright with the head up, rather than the head down over

Re: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread K.Takeshita
On 2/28/06 8:48 PM, "Rob Studdert", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As you can see that there is no way I will see sale prices even approaching my > purchase prices. Perhaps you should move here so that you can walk upright with the head up, rather than the head down over there. That might cheer yo

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
OK, you're right:-). Keep the Pentax :-)) Paul On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:28, John Forbes wrote: Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are worth more

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:28, John Forbes wrote: > Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and > before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are > worth more than they were new. Of my late purchases looking at what I paid in AU$ including freight an

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Tom C
there is more to the world than the US. Rob Studdert I've heard people say that before... :-) Tom C.

Re: [Bulk] Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread K.Takeshita
On 2/28/06 7:26 PM, "John Forbes", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pentax offers better glass and more class! Cheers :-))) Ken

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 19:18, Paul Stenquist wrote: > There was an upgrade path to 645 or 6x7? Uh, only if you wanted to > purchase a new system. Go buy that Caon, pal. Make yourself happy. In addition the difference now is that any high spec body purchase is a major investment, the published pre-re

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 19:23, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Then you overpaid. That's your fault, not Pentax's. Every lens I bought > in the last three years is worth at least what I paid for it. And we've > know for at least three years that Pentax was most likely going APS-C. > It wasn't a secret You s

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 11:21, Rob Studdert wrote: > I really hate.. ..sending stuff to the list that was meant to be private :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDM

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Forbes
Yes, but Rob has been in the market since 1988, and in Australia, and before the internet, and perhaps buying new. Not many Pentax lenses are worth more than they were new. John On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:23:10 -, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Then you overpaid. That's your

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Tom C
Yes, but it was staying in the Pentax family. You can pick on my words, but I think you probably understood their intent. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculatio

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 01:18:52 -, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:06, John Forbes wrote: Make us happy and buy the Canon. :-) Ah but I like you guys and I love your reactions :-) You don't have to leave. Canon users come here all the time. Pentax offers

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
Then you overpaid. That's your fault, not Pentax's. Every lens I bought in the last three years is worth at least what I paid for it. And we've know for at least three years that Pentax was most likely going APS-C. It wasn't a secret On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 28 Feb

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 19:05, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > > >> > > > > LOL, I'm just more pissed than usual today, I still have a fever. > > > Hope you feel better soon. Really :-) It came on suddenly yesterday afternoon, I slept for three hours rugge

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
ISO 800 is fine on most DSLR's, it's at 1600 and 3200 where the FF sensors com into their own (Not that I think 3200 on a D is horrible, it is still better than film at the same ISO). And remember, you can't always buy faster glass (Because you just might already have that fast glass, as I assu

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:06, John Forbes wrote: > Make us happy and buy the Canon. :-) Ah but I like you guys and I love your reactions :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user si

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
There was an upgrade path to 645 or 6x7? Uh, only if you wanted to purchase a new system. Go buy that Caon, pal. Make yourself happy. Paul On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Tom C wrote: I suspect that about 3 people didn't buy an istF because of it. It wasn't exactly marketed to the advanced photogr

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Margus Männik
Hi, that would actually make sense in light of 21mm Limited - in terms of 35mm it would be ~28mm. Also, "strange" 40mm focal lenght will translate to 52 rather than 60mm. BR, Margus Rob Studdert wrote: Gleaned from a tangential post at DPReview: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/digital/ccd

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 18:58, Paul Stenquist wrote: > But your A, FA and LTD glass is worth more now than it was then. And > you can now buy what was then the best Canon offering for about half of > what it was selling for at the time. You're way ahead of the game if > you switch now. So falling for

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
Rob Studdert wrote: On 28 Feb 2006 at 18:49, Adam Maas wrote: Rob, The only truly succesful full-frame 35mm sensors have been Canon's. Nobody else has been able to make a 24x36mm sensor which can match the APS-C sensor's performance. So what sensor was Pentax going to use in the MZ-D?

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've sold some ISO 800 *istD images as stock. What's more, new faster glass can make up an f stop just like that. I shoot low light when I must. I don't know if I seriously shoot anything. I always try to have fun. Paul On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Adam Maas wrote: It allows high resolution an

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Forbes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:58:40 -, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: If the first DSLR they showed featured an APS sized sensor I would have been long gone, unfortunately I fell for the carrot and I do regret it now (especially

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: LOL, I'm just more pissed than usual today, I still have a fever. Hope you feel better soon. Really :-)

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: If the first DSLR they showed featured an APS sized sensor I would have been long gone, unfortunately I fell for the carrot and I do regret it now (especially the waiting). Had I known what their plans were I would have had a great Canon sy

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:27:03PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being marketable due to sen

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 18:49, Adam Maas wrote: > Rob, > > The only truly succesful full-frame 35mm sensors have been Canon's. > Nobody else has been able to make a 24x36mm sensor which can match the > APS-C sensor's performance. So what sensor was Pentax going to use in > the MZ-D? At the time it

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Tom C
I suspect that about 3 people didn't buy an istF because of it. It wasn't exactly marketed to the advanced photographer. It was a perhaps too subtle signal about their intent. The A style lens only bodies were completely ignored by this group. istF? Pentax, the camera company that makes you cl

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
Panasonic doesn't seem to agree about aperture rings. And Nikon users have better compatibility with older glass as long as it's been AI-modified, even being able to use Matrix-Metering on the D200, D2x and D2H(s). Pentax is unique in that the inexpensive bodies are functional with low-end glas

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:27:03PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Rob Studdert" > Subject: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation > > > > >>I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not b

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
Rob, The only truly succesful full-frame 35mm sensors have been Canon's. Nobody else has been able to make a 24x36mm sensor which can match the APS-C sensor's performance. So what sensor was Pentax going to use in the MZ-D? -Adam Rob Studdert wrote: On 28 Feb 2006 at 17:27, William Robb

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 23:01, John Forbes wrote: > > And for those who say that the market has abandoned the Pentax 645, how > did they ever manage to sell the first 645? There are still huge > quantities of 645 lenses out there, and I for one will bet that as long as > the price and performance

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Maas
It allows high resolution and low noise compared to a similar APS-C sized sensor. Noise levels are directly related to the size of a sensor site, and the larger the sensor the larger the sites for a given resolution. If you seriously shoot low-light, the 5D is pretty much entry-level for high-r

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 17:27, William Robb wrote: > I do find it amusing that we still wail that Pentax isn't "as good" as the > competition. > They haven't been "as good" as the competition for about the last 4 decades, > yet we all bought into their cameras. > Are we really that slow to catch on?

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Forbes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:22:59 -, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:12:36PM -, John Forbes wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:00:08 -, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >With the announcement of the new body, and a lens roadmap that shows >those ne

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 18:15, John Francis wrote: > That's conspiracy theory running rampant. LOL, I'm just more pissed than usual today, I still have a fever. > The MZ-S was a one-off, high-end completion of the MZ range, designed > as the end of the film line for the advanced amateur. As such, it

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being marketable due to sensor issues. So you are telling me that they didn't know this or it wasn't an

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:12:36PM -, John Forbes wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:00:08 -, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >With the announcement of the new body, and a lens roadmap that shows > >those new f2.8 zooms arriving shortly afterwards, I feel a lot more > >confident

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 09:19:59AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 28 Feb 2006 at 15:59, William Robb wrote: > > > Considering that their first DSLR body was barely compatable with pre A > > series lenses, I hardly think that anyone has led anyone on. > > The display of a FF DSLR followed by the

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Forbes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:00:08 -, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:51:21AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 28 Feb 2006 at 13:11, John Francis wrote: > Hmm. So if the power contacts come back, presumably we would > get at least one more digital signal pin to c

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Forbes
Rob, Just what is the attraction of a 35mm-sized sensor on digital? It's much more expensive, both for the body and the lenses (note how much cheaper the DA macro lenses, for instance, are than the FA lenses). There are now good wide-angle options. All the evidence suggests, and has for s

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:51:21AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 28 Feb 2006 at 13:11, John Francis wrote: > > > Hmm. So if the power contacts come back, presumably we would > > get at least one more digital signal pin to control the in-lens > > features (including, but not necessarily limited

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
The new 645D lens is obviously intended to give them a fast normal. With the smaller sensor, 58mm works out to just about normal lens FOV. On Feb 28, 2006, at 6:46 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 28 Feb 2006 at 16:33, Ryan Brooks wrote: The 645D is already behind the pro medium format back curve;

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Ryan Brooks" Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation The 645D is already behind the pro medium format back curve; pro photographers have left their Pentax MF gear behind. A body that was more friendly to 3rd party backs would have

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 16:41, William Robb wrote: > You are not feeling especially smart, either. > I recall that Pentax was pretty blunt about the FF camera not being > marketable due to sensor issues. So you are telling me that they didn't know this or it wasn't an issue when it was shown to the m

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nonsense. No one has been deceived. Products and brands evolve. Pentax has chosen a path that it believes is most conducive to establishing itself as a player in the DSLR market. They're not out to hurt anyone. That would be stupid. Aperture rings and mechanical linkages are things of the past,

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 16:33, Ryan Brooks wrote: > The 645D is already behind the pro medium format back curve; pro > photographers have left their Pentax MF gear behind. What amused me ever so slightly was that a new D specific 645 lens was on the roadmap. Do they think that the existing glass won'

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation On 28 Feb 2006 at 15:59, William Robb wrote: Considering that their first DSLR body was barely compatable with pre A series lenses, I hardly think that anyone has led anyone

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Ryan Brooks
The display of a FF DSLR followed by the *ist D with it's lack of aperture ring support then the gradual roll-out of aperture ring-less DA lenses and now the discontinuation of the FA lenses was orchestrated in such a way as to deceive. If they think that their strategy will have people runnin

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 15:59, William Robb wrote: > Considering that their first DSLR body was barely compatable with pre A > series lenses, I hardly think that anyone has led anyone on. The display of a FF DSLR followed by the *ist D with it's lack of aperture ring support then the gradual roll-out

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation I don't know why they didn't just dump the mount with the first digital body rather than lead us on like they have. It's now obvious what direction they are headi

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 13:11, John Francis wrote: > Hmm. So if the power contacts come back, presumably we would > get at least one more digital signal pin to control the in-lens > features (including, but not necessarily limited to, USM motors). The two pins could easily deliver power and I/O > Add

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 03:56:56PM +, mike wilson wrote: > > > > > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2006/02/28 Tue PM 03:49:23 GMT > > To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net" > > Subject: Re: Some more new camera specula

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2006-02-28, at 18:10, K.Takeshita wrote: This could also be an indication that the camera may have a dust/ drip proof seal, if not water proof. Yes, it would be much easier to seal this kind of switch. Nah, from the logical point of view that would be too many good things from Pentax at o

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread K.Takeshita
On 2/28/06 10:40 AM, "Sylwester Pietrzyk", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AF-C/AF-S/MF switch has radically > different build and this is a part of AF system in Pentax camera This could also be an indication that the camera may have a dust/drip proof seal, if not water proof. Ken

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:56 AM, mike wilson wrote: That would be progressive replacement, as most people seem to agree that PZ was not a good implementation of technology. Replacement of mechanical aperture linkage with (effectively) nothing is not progressive I've never seen the point t

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/28 Tue PM 03:49:23 GMT > To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net" > Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation > > mike wilson wrote on 28.02.06 16:45: > > > I'm more interested

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
mike wilson wrote on 28.02.06 16:45: > I'm more interested in what is meant by "progressive replacement". PZ > contacts could be used for USM? Yes, they could, as in their patent (KAF3?), which I've sent in PDF file to a few people. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/28 Tue PM 03:16:05 GMT > To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net" > Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation > > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 28.02.06 16:03: > > > I've nev

Re: Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "K.Takeshita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/02/28 Tue PM 03:05:55 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Some more new camera speculation > > On 2/28/06 9:10 AM, "Sylwester Pietrzyk", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No it wasn&

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
K.Takeshita wrote on 28.02.06 16:05: > Actually, I was thinking the same thing, perhaps with some wishful thinking > (remember, it's a "silly season" :-). But I did not post it for the fear of > raising the blood pressure of some PDMLers unnecessarily. Now that you said > it Exactly. It is s

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 28.02.06 16:03: > I've never taken one apart, but according to the technology > discussion and video animation that KM posted when the D7 came out, > the sensor moves up to 5mm in H and V directions from the reference > midpoint. That's 1cm. Oh yes, thi way it is possible

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread K.Takeshita
On 2/28/06 9:10 AM, "Sylwester Pietrzyk", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No it wasn't directly implicated, just my feeling ;-) > But distracting from this - don't you have Rob a strange feeling that new > camera will accept lenses with ultrasonic motor? Would it be coincidence > that suddenly on roa

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Evidently, the sensor in the Konica Minolta D7 and D5 is capable of moving about 1cm. Ehm... slight exaggeration, I've got demo of AS built on inners of Dynax (Maxxum) 7D and it moves about a few mm max on each side. I've never taken o

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 15:10, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > No it wasn't directly implicated, just my feeling ;-) > But distracting from this - don't you have Rob a strange feeling that new > camera will accept lenses with ultrasonic motor? Would it be coincidence > that suddenly on roadmap of Pentax len

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 28.02.06 16:00: > None of the translations that I read actually reported that he said that it > was > a Sony chip, it may have been inferred but that seems to be all. We'll see in > time I guess. No it wasn't directly implicated, just my feeling ;-) But distracting from this

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 10:26, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > That would be interesting. But from interview with Mr. Torigoe one could > rather conclude that sensor will come from Sony. It doesn't have to be the > one from Nikon D200 especially that my friend who has close relationship > with Nikon Poland

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Kevin, On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:46:26 +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: >I dont get it, the web page says the chip size is >29.0 mm (H) x 19.1 mm (V) > >yet, it claims "Full-Frame CCD; with Square Pixels" >I dont get it? am I missing something here? Seems so, this is 'sensor talk' not 'camera talk'

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2006 at 20:46, Kevin Waterson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > RS> What like the 40mm DA that apparently happens to almost fully cover FF? > > I dont get it, the web page says the chip size is > 29.0 mm (H) x 19.1 mm (V) > > yet, i

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 28.02.06 1:12: > Gleaned from a tangential post at DPReview: > > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/digital/ccd/products/fullframe/KAF- > 10010/specifications.jhtml?id=0.1.4.8.4.7.4&lc=en > > http://tinyurl.com/ks8w8 > > Now that I would stick around for. What's the likelihood

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RS> What like the 40mm DA that apparently happens to almost fully cover FF? I dont get it, the web page says the chip size is 29.0 mm (H) x 19.1 mm (V) yet, it claims "Full-Frame CCD; with Square Pixels" I dont get it? am I

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 28.02.06 10:00: > Evidently, the sensor in the Konica Minolta D7 and D5 is capable of > moving about 1cm. Ehm... slight exaggeration, I've got demo of AS built on inners of Dynax (Maxxum) 7D and it moves about a few mm max on each side. -- Balance is the ultimate good..

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:30 PM, John Francis wrote: That was the thought process I was following. Pentax is committed to the DA lens size - we just don't know exactly how much bigger than the APS sized sensor it might support - other than Full Frame isn't in the short term cards. Might a

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-27 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Rob Studdert wrote: Now that I would stick around for. What's the likelihood that Pentax would be sourcing a 1.3x sensor from Kodak considering that the 645D sensor is likely from the same crowd? Purely speculation on my part but hey that's what this list's about? Hmm, wil

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-27 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:04:40PM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 27 Feb 2006 at 17:21, Bruce Dayton wrote: > > > That was the thought process I was following. Pentax is committed to > > the DA lens size - we just don't know exactly how much bigger than the > > APS sized sensor it might support

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27 Feb 2006 at 17:21, Bruce Dayton wrote: > That was the thought process I was following. Pentax is committed to > the DA lens size - we just don't know exactly how much bigger than the > APS sized sensor it might support - other than Full Frame isn't in the > short term cards. Might also be

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I would expect most DA prime lenses in the 24-80mm range, whether DA or not, could acceptably cover up to 35mm. Acceptable is not necessarily the same thing as superb quality however. Zooms are another animal. The gains for zooms in terms of reducing size and weight by minimizing image circ

Re: Some more new camera speculation

2006-02-27 Thread Bruce Dayton
That was the thought process I was following. Pentax is committed to the DA lens size - we just don't know exactly how much bigger than the APS sized sensor it might support - other than Full Frame isn't in the short term cards. -- Bruce Monday, February 27, 2006, 6:07:15 PM, you wrote: RS> O

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