This is probably better suited to the gnome-pilot-list, so I've
taken the liberty of cross-posting it there. I did a quick search on our
friend google, and found this also:
http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:lists.ximian.com+MISSINGNAME
I want to synchronize my palm with
What exactly does the Purge option do for pilot-xfer? I haven't perused
the code for it yet (though I can if no one is quite sure). Before trying
it, I'd like to know what to look for to make sure it worked correctly.
Hrm, it appears that Evolution ate my original reply to this
DAD Hrm, it appears that Evolution ate my original reply to this message
DADthis morning. Let's try again...
So how is evolution working out for you? Does it work well with your
palms?
Unfortunately, no. I had to roll back to pine for the moment. My
mail is much too important to
Shouldn't the return values from pilot-xfer on failed xfers be non-zero? I
noticed with the fetch option (others as well, but this one is the one I'm
playing with currently) returned 0 when I requested a non-existant DB from
the Pilot.
Yes, and which version of pilot-xfer?
/d
Yes, and which version of pilot-xfer?
0.9.5
I'll take a look. Significant changes have happened in the 0.10.1
codebase, and this should probably be fixed before I roll out a release.
pilot-xfer itself has been given a lot better error reporting than
previously (thanks to Peter
FWIW, I compiled it a few months ago under W98 using the Cygnus tools.
As I recall it went pretty smoothly. But I couldn't get pilot link to
talk to my Palm, there was some sort of serial interface timeout
problem. I never did get around to debugging it.
After a small tweak to
So, if anyone has any ideas for what should be in the HOWTO, I'd like to
hear them, either on the list or as private email. Once I've got a draft
written, I'll post a link for comments.
I've written some HOWTO docs in plain HTML format, and have it in the
plans to convert them over
We have the old weird packet (and now unexpected packet ;-)
problem using pilot-xfer in both todays CVS version (0.10.1)
and old 0.9.1 on several Compaq Alpha Workstations AU500 and XP1000
running Tru64 4.0f (Fairly fast 500 MHz 320Meg 21264 CPUs)
and syncing to Palm V handhelds.
JP, where is this CVS branch? I can't find it.
cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/pilot-link -z3 \
co -r protocol-rewrite-branch pilot-link
Browsable at cvs.pilot-link.org.
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I used pilot-link with a palm III and it worked great. I'm trying to
find a way to sync my iPaq to the same data using pilot-link.
You probably want to look into this:
http://pilot2qpe.sourceforge.net/
I sent Michael a message last week about partnering and working
If there's a discontinuity, such as existing names going away, or even
if it's just an important new name coming in, a version number such as
0.10.0 would be more appropriate than 0.9.6. 0.9.6 and particularly
0.9.5.1 (please let's not!) would indicate minor changes which wouldn't
require
In researching the best option to normalize the amount of arguments
we pass to the current pilot-link conduits, three possible avenues came to
light: getopt(), getopt_long(), and popt(). Each has their own benefits and
advantages.
Using getopt() and getopt_long() as we are now
Thanks to the hard work of jpr (and his shiny new m500), we now have
USB working in pilot-link. It's not yet 100% production capacity, and we're
still working out some issues with it (PADP + tickle is one touchy area),
but it definately does work. We had to separate the protocols, and
A discussion group for Unix Palm users probably isn't a bad idea... I'll
see about getting one added...
Let's be careful not to fracture this list. How about just adding a
mention here and there about the pilot-unix mailing list on the main forum
and point to the archives in your
Voytek whereis.com.au, and, print out the info, must be an
Voytek easier way..?
I dunno. You don't have to worry about the batteries dying on your
piece of paper while you're half way to where you're going.
Personally, I like to use this one:
It does not have to be pilot-link. Maybe there is some other software
doing this. Only requirement is to run under unix. I even thought about
writing myself simple pilot application with linux part which will
upload fies over serial/IR and save them to memory stick.
I asked some
Any resources for how to do this? I have a Clie and when I start up the
MS-link program on the Clie it does show up as a USB storage device on
Linux (Kernel 2.4.13) I'm just not sure how to mount it or what
filesystem it uses.
Ideally, there should be a device-independant way to do
I bought a datafab KEMS memorystick reader, it doesn't get recognized by
the usb storage module (perhaps an entry in unusual devices might help).
I picked up one of those multicard readers for $75.00 at CompUSA the
other day, and it works really really well. Matt Dharm said that
The Palm HotSync log doesn't show any additional information. Has anyone
any ideas on what I might be able to try to get things communicating
again?
What version of pilot-link are you using? Does dlpsh or any other
diagnostic application work? Did you hand-compile it? If so, with
I tried running dlpsh - it started up, I pressed sync, and it looked
like the Palm was doing a sync but then dlpsh stopped without me being
able to enter a command.
Something else is wrong.
I then tried a regular pilot-xfer -l and it worked! I have no idea why
running a dlpsh
I have a Palm m505 and a SERIAL (yes, not USB) hotsync cable. In
addition, I am using the standard OS4 password mechanism to protect my
data.
There's some issues with this, in fact. We can do any of the
following:
- Bypass the password altogether
- Force a user to
This is just a heads-up to keep those interested parties informed
about what's going on with pilot-link.
I've recently resigned my employment with Linuxcare, and am in a
holding pattern as I have been asked to reconsider that decision. I
probably will not reconsider. This means
Does anyone actually use 'Remind' (the desktop app) or 'reminders'
(the pilot-link conduit) to create/manage alarms and... well, reminders?
I sucked my Datebook out with it today (921 records), and I've
honestly never used either application until now. The file that remind spits
So I tried the experiment of plugging Angus's image processing code into
pilot-link's existing PDB reader framework. I think it's been pretty
successful. It's at
Related to this, what are everyone's feelings about including this
within pilot-link as a conduit? Does this put us and
I was tinkering around last night and ported the pilotSSLeay stuff
from the 0.8.1 patch to the latest (1998) 0.9.0b version, and rolled it
into the 4.0 SDK instead of the 3.1 SDK which it was developed against. It
was a mess, and since SSLeay is deprecated (and not GPL), I was wondering
A loose vote: Would it be worthwhile for pilot-link to support input
and output of AddressDB and DatebookDB records in vCard and vCalendar
formats respectively (http://www.imc.org/pdi/), or just dump them as raw XML
and let a desktop conduit/script/parser figure it out via the
i really should go home, but this should be conduits job.
Well, pilot-link does currently include a big toybox of conduits to
play with (some of which is redundant code). Implementing vCard/vCal was an
option, not a requirement though.. yet.
/d
This release also is significantly more stable. I fixed a bunch of
crash problems. It's amazing what you can get done when you're
unemployed.
I'm soon to join you in that quest, electively. =)
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What are your thoughts on ways to store the info on the device in a way
that it's readable, searchable, relatively small, and (ideally) can be
updated incrementally rather than overwritten when we have schedule
changes?
Plucker, clearly =) But I'm biased.
It is, however,
Hmmm. With all my copious free time (heh) I'd be willing to work on such
a chunk of XSLT, once the DTD has been decided on. Putting it another
way, I'll be able to work on this after December 18th.
That sounds like you just volunteered to help!
Can someone with a non-English Palm (French/etc.) give me an example
of the ordering of the AddressDB categories, with an example record (all
fields filled in)? I have been hearing that non-English ROMs and Palms have
some fields either missing, or ordered differently. I need to be sure
We're working on that, breakage is a concern. Please be patient.
I am more of a Perl hacker, but would be happy to try to help - even if
you just need someone with a Clie to test things out...
There's an issue with one piece of perl code in the perl module. If
you can walk through
Can the pilot-link users who use the non-Linux platforms with
pilot-link verify for me if there are popt() ports or equivalents on your
platforms? Specifically this means Solaris, OSX, AIX, and OS/2 for the
moment (others will follow). I'm tossing around some ideas in code here with
the
Unable to bind to port '/dev/ttyqe'.
On my system, that device doesn't exist until after I hit Hotsync in
POSE. If I create the device manually, then cancel Hotsync, the actual
device inode is removed. Not exactly desired, but it's pseudo, so.. that may
be just a devfs thing.
The
and the sync just hangs. Any ideas what I should check here? I am
running redhat 7.0, though I also have intermittent difficulties under
debian/testing.
First, you should *NOT* have Redirect NetLib calls to Host TCP/IP
checked in the on position. Uncheck it.
Under
I was never able to make this setting work with earlier versions of
pilot-xfer and POSE under Red Hat Linux 6.2.
Port speed is important in this pseudo connection. If it's too high,
you'll get nothing back (a lockup condition) and if it's too low (like
9600), you'll get 'weird packet'
HOWEVER - I appear to be getting a dump on the console of all the data
being received.
insmod visor debug=0
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There are no ways to sync prc files correctly. There are no ways to
sync categories correctly. The app info block can't be synced. The
sort block can't be synced. Corect me if I'm wrong on any of this.
Nope, you're not wrong, but luckily we don't have to deal with any
.prc files
Does the Palm store details of which fields have changed over and above
the simple setting of the dirty flag on a modified record ?
As you probably know, there are two ways of sync'ing, Fast and Slow.
(and Judd can probably help here also):
1. Fast syncing is when the same
I know we're not especially into creating yet more separate utilities
:-), but this is where it seems to fit.
I'm actually all for more conduits and utilities, but propagating
them as static entities may not be scalable soon.. great work!
/d
I thought that the pilot link simply didn't support USB for Palm OS 4
devices (which would include some of the Sony Clie's and the m50x
devices). Is this wrong...that is, is it just a m50x problem or a OS 4
problem?
We're still trying to work out the issues. Some of the lag time is
I used the pilot-link utilities too, the one with POSE managed to lock my
m505 up every time for some reason.
I had exactly the same experience with it, so I'd guess it's a bug...
Let's report this over to Keith Rollin on the emulator-forum list...
- Palm OS Emulator
How can I download the PalmOS 4.0 ROM IMage from the Palm m505 with a
USB Cradle connected to RedHat Linux 7.1, I already installed ColdSync.
The PalmOS Emulator v3.3 supports this, though I'm not sure what
success you'll have under linux. I have yet to be able to build a successful
I managed to get it to one image but the program is still hanging on the
pixhdr line, and I've still only got a black rectangle. I'll attach the
.pdb, the .bmp and a .jpg I got using the official software if anyone
wants to play with them. (Marble is the name of the rabbit in the
Is there any way to sync my Palm m505 with RedHat Linux 7.1 with a USB
cradle? Would someone please explain?
There are several ways, none of which involve pilot-link supporting
USB directly at the current time (and none of them specifically due to
technical limitations =)
1.
I'm running Suse Linux 7.2 on a Pentium, and I'm running the make
command in a Konsole window in KDE 1 using bash-2.05 if that makes a
difference.
My build worked ok here, but I had to gouge some of the DOS CR/LF
pairs, and mangle the pragmas, but you can try the attached diff I made
Try changing the int16_t to Int16. If that doesn't work then change
it to short.
A couple of other quick hacky fixes in the attached patch. Blecch.
Does anyone have one of these units, and want to share some .pdb
files so those of us without this hardware can bang on the code
I've put an ArchImage.pdb on our anonymous ftp server ftp.pnl.gov in
the pub/outgoing directory. Don't know how long it'll stay there. It's
got three images - my computer screen, a couple of magazines on my desk
and the view out the window. These are crummy pictures taken in poor
lighting
I hadn't followed this thread closely until now because I don't have a
PalmPix camera. Has this application been turned into a general purpose
image viewing application? I've been looking for a good color image
viewing application for my M505 for some time now.
Nope, it's imply
I've added David's patches to the tarball.
http://www.geocities.com/aa_soft
We can put this under version control, if you feel it's going to
continue to grow and be developed further... we should probably give it a
version number too, so we can differentiate the changes we make to it.
http://www.geocities.com/aa_soft/
Quick!, download it before Kodak sues him into a smoking hole. :)
I'll mirror it. I think Kodak and I have a *cough* understanding
from our last interaction. They're very clear on where I stand on this.
/d
struct pi_sockaddr {
unsigned short pi_family;
char pi_device[14];
};
I fixed this back in January. It will be fixed again in a more
robust way with the rewrite. All the socket code is getting a vacuum.
I imagine DLP is just a series of 'opcodes' with parameters that are
wrapped within SLP. So perhaps I could extend and create my own opcodes,
though I run the risk that Palm will extend DLP and use the same opcode
values I choose.
A very detailed pilot-link architecture document
,-. pilot-link plucker
David A. Desrosiers \,-' \ sourcefubar cvs
gnu-designs.com, Inc. `--' hacker at gnu-designs.com `-
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Now try to run the network sync stuff with ppp like you were trying
before. pilot-xfer -l . will not currently work on the palm devices.
insert ^ m50x
I think that's what you meant to say. I'll give this a shot and
write up
Somewhere out there is an httpd for PalmOS. Serves up your databases
from a web server. Can't recall if it was read only or if you could do
something to store a new database.
What you are looking for is the following:
http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/rees/pilot/
Jim
You know what would rock? pilot-mount. Then you could just cd
/mnt/pilot. Then just use ls. List all the databases as prc/pdb files. I
don't even know if it's feasible, but it sure smells good.
I'll see what I can do. I just took this original email today and
started adding the
Due to a wonderful upstream DNS debacle, any messages sent to me via
the address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (including list-destined emails such as
these) were lost in the past 2 days. If some kind soul could please forward
me any correspondence from those days which was sent to me directly or
Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/PDA/Pilot/Pilot.so' for module PDA::Pilot:
ld.so.1: /ldatae/bin/perl: fatal: libpisock.so.4: open failed: No such
file or directory at
/volws/lwv26/ldatae/lib/perl5/5.7.1/sun4-solaris-stdio/DynaLoader.pm
line 208.
Looks like you didn't install
/cua3]: /dev/ircomm0
Now press the HotSync button
(lots of data, snipped)
Categories: Unfiled New York Paris
Your name is David A. Desrosiers
Seems to work fine here, and libpisock was not in my path, none of
the pilot-link binaries were in my path, and nothing knew about it at all,
other
Where are they working?? Which people??CVS is not updated a while a
go... I wanna help too ... (i desperately want my m505 working with
Linux) ...
I just committed several fixes, enhancements, and changes to the
cvs, and replicated it across to the mirror as well. Take a look at the
There does seem to be a include/i18n.h missing; maybe it's not
checked in (I'm always doing that, er, not doing that).
Fixed.
/d
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News.* rejects connections. I assume it's not ready yet? Will this
mailing list be merged onto the News server?
Probably not. I don't control the mailing list. I am going to be
pulling a ton of other groups into it though, palm-related and such. Darrin
Massena is closing shop on the
It seems that this device is not recognised by the driver.
Do someone have any idea ?
Yes, the device is not recognized by the driver.
The Visor module works with the Handspring Visor (and soon, the m50x
Palm devices). All three devices, Sony, Handspring, and Palm use a
For those who haven't figured it out yet, pilot-link can now be
found on the pilot-link.com/net/org site. I'm working on getting the irc
server locked down and set up as well as the stats (realtime cvs stats and
all, using gd and fly) and some other toys and stuff to get us moving a bit
Thanks, but it is the Palm Vx that is reporting the serial port problem
and my Palm Vx doesn't appear to have a /var/lock folder.
Simply hit the rest in the back with your stylus pin, DO NOT HIT ANY
OTHER BUTTONS, and let it 'reboot'. It should clear the serial port and
allow you to
Looking at the html source there don't appear to be any options listed
for the category dropdown...
Not sure how that is possible, because the following php code is
what is executed to populate the list:
td? echo $s_choose_project ?:/td
tdselect name=f_project_id
Could someone feed the html generated to a validator to see if perhaps
there is some unique syntax, etc. that netscape can't process?
I'm doing that already, trying to narrow it down.
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Have you defined any categories for pilot-link?
DOH! My bad. You're right. I was looking in the wrong place.
Categories are now defined. If there are any missing ones, please let me
know.
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I think that it makes sense to be working to get it to compile against
the version of Tcl which is expected to be released in the next couple
of weeks - which is the plan (to have it released before the OSC in
July...)
Fixed. I just grabbed a nightly build today, and the fix was a
It's been at least 10 years since I ran OS/2,
That really is from a different era - you should try a modern
incarnation.
No, no. I ran my BBS under OS/2 for a few years. I know it has
networking, I was speaking more about the ability to telnet to it, get a
shell, daemons, things
-#if (TK_MAJOR_VERSION 8) || ((TK_MAJOR_VERSION == 8) (TK_RELEASE_LEVEL 2))
+#if (TK_MAJOR_VERSION 8)
handle = Tk_FindPhoto(Case);
This is very wrong. The TK_RELEASE_LEVEL should not be used at all.
Follow the example I gave previously for TCL_MINOR_VERSION and model
Note that the 0.9.5 release, at least as downloaded to this site,
doesn't appear to compile in at least with my configuration options.
What version of gcc, what version of tcl, what OS, what
architecture? Need more details. Fill out a bug report!
From what i read in the archives, there would seem there's people trying
to reverse engineer the new USB protocol used by the 50x palms. But did
anybody try to get Palm to provide the required info ?
Yes, many of us have. They have not been forthcoming with any of
that information,
malsync has not been tested againt the latest version of pilot-link. You
should use 0.9.3
Tom, I think our next goal, after the release of pilot-link, is to
get malsync (or some maturation of it) updated a bit to handle some of the
new SyncML stuff, as well as the Vindigo breakage.
Building on a (pretty standard) RedHat7.0 system, I get complaints about
md5.c not being there (there being: pilot-link.0.9.5/libsock)
AARH! Ok, my bad, just remove the lines from Makefile.in and
rebuild, it should be ok. I'll reroll the tarball and put it back up
there, posting a
Is there any particular reason why the md.c and pi-md5.h files are
missing from the tarballs, meaning that it fails to build on Slackware
7.1, RedHat 7.0, SuSE 7.0 and Solaris 2.8.something?
Fixed.
It was 3:06am when I finally finished. I was wiped, and didn't do a
final
Anyone know of an Internet resource that I could use to show someone how
Grafitti works? In particular, something similar to the Grafitti help
screen, which shows the way the strokes should be drawn, would be really
useful.
These may be useful:
The 0.9.5 (well, pre code still i guess) sync.c code handles this. In
fact, you may want to use this since it implements all the sync logic as
defined by palm.
If nobody has objections, it's being released late tonight. I was
holding out a bit on Ralf's USB fixes to the DLP code,
There's a new bug-reporting system online now for the pilot-link
project (no longer at Sourceforge).
If you go to http://www.gnu-designs.com/bugs (which will be
relocated to bugs.pilot-link.org when the servers are relocated from one
coast to the other), you can log in and fill
You must set the RecordID to 0 *and* set the attribute to modified
(0x40) to add a new record. You must set the Attribute to deleted (0x80)
to delete the record and then run dlp_CleanUpDatabase() to actually
remove the record from the Pilot.
And dlp_CleanUpDatabase also will set
No, the code I'm working on right now is GPL'd since it's based on
original applications from pilot-link but I don't use CVS (I'm the only
developer). I can release that separately if anyone wants to see it
though I'm not really looking for extra eyes. You may hate it, though -
I build
Any hope on getting Sony Clie USB HotSync working with pilot-link? I've
got one of these. I could probably do some hacking. Alas, I've found
little information on how the protocol works so far, or how I could find
out.
Nope, but you can use IR to sync with it if you like.
/d
The June 7, 2001 issue of Linux Weekly News covers, among other things,
the development status of pilot-link in section On the Desktop:
I received an email from Michael Hammel yesterday afternoon, which I
have not yet been able to properly respond to. It looks like he jumped the gun
The code is also barely commented. Those who know it are either too busy
or too secretive or something. You can always look at the code though.
I try to answer any specific questions if I can.
The new codebase is so verbosely commented, it will make your head
spin =) Every single
If so, this implys that we need to either:
- modify pilot-xfer to realize that this is a USB Palm device
How do we do this, when we can't establish a connection to the device
to query it for it's functionality?
- modify the Linux USB Visor driver to add the SLP framing
Here is where we have a more difficult time than the Windows folks. They
have a single operating system to work with. In the Palm Desktop
application, there is a way to enable Local USB separately from Local
Serial.
*COUGH* and API documentation and vendor assistance *COUGH*
I
If you're going to acknowledge the trademark, then:
It's amazing what nutrients and a good walk in the fresh air can give
you in the California fog.
After getting back from lunch, I've come up with some thoughts. Since
pilot-link is not limited to Palm[tm] handheld devices, we
1. the company's name is Palm, Inc..
2. you might want to look at their rather stiff
trademark usage instructions at
Noted, thanks John.
I just walked through the codebase myself and made some changes here
and there where it was visible (no need to change that in the
sync - HotSync(TM) technology
'HotSync(r) technology', per the trademark page
PDA - Palm(TM) handheld
'Palm[tm] handheld device' (again, per the trademark page)
Both ugly in any way you phrase them. We're not just supporting
Palm[tm] handheld devices here. So far,
I'm looking for command-line tools. Do you know of any others that
might synchronize properly?
Looks like Coldsync would do it. I haven't used it, but it looks pretty
graceful. A few people've recommended it to me, I just haven't gotten
around to it yet.
Or how about we just
In addition to working on the manpages, I'm on a mission to make the
documentation Not Suck. The HOWTO on the linux documentation project's
site is about two years old now, and doesn't have much in it in the first
place. Time for a complete rewrite.
I just found about 11
Has anybody successfuly synced a Palm m50x to their linux box using the
9-pin serial cable (ie, not the USB cable)?
Mine's been on order since day 1. They're not shipping them yet (says
Palm), so I expect it soon. I hear from Keith that it works fine, including
pulling a ROM image
Any help would be appreciated. I am a total Linux shop but had to setup a
little windows box just to keep my palm backed up.
Even more reason for me (or someone else? *HINT*) to start crafting a
Palm Diagnostic HOWTO, which covers this, and how to detect and resolve issues
with it.
Is tools/perl5 in CVS broken when compiling with Perl 5.6.1? (I'm runnnig
Debian, sid), or have I messed up something? I get the following errors:
YIPES! Yes, it's broken here too. Let me see what happened...
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Is tools/perl5 in CVS broken when compiling with Perl 5.6.1? (I'm runnnig
Debian, sid), or have I messed up something? I get the following errors:
Ok, fixed. Just 'cvs -z9 up -dP' and you should get the fixes.
/d
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Has anyone managed to get the Pose Emulator to sync over a network
connection.
Yes.
I've manged to get it to Sync locally on my Linux machine by using
PilotLink and have the communication take place throught /dev/ptyqe and
Somewhere I read Keith Rollin (principal maintainer of POSE) speculating
that it'd be possible to debug the IR (IRDA) connection between two Palms
by connecting two copies of POSE through virtual serial devices.
From an interview posed in the emulator-forum awhile back:
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5. Will
As you correctly guessed I am trying to get a Palm m500 to sync.
lots snipped, please don't quote the entire message unless it's relevant =)
Ok, as am I. This does not currently work, at all yet.
You will get as far as a connect, but that's it. I was able to get it
connected
1. is it possible to sync more than one thing at a time from one hotsync.
i.e. hot-sync both pilot-mailsync and malsync from one press of the
hotsync button. I found autopilot which will allow me to execute a
hot-sync of one app when I press the hotsync button. I would like to set
up more
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