Bill, just to refresh my memory, you were recommending Planet of
Love as the best Lauderdale album, right?
--jr.
Interesting article and quotes from this drummer who played on
the early Little Richard sides... Sounds like a book worth checking
out.
--junior
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Art Schuna
Quote from the new Earl Palmer book appeared in today's NY Times.
Quoted without permission
I've been hearing some enthusiastic comments about a Western Swing CD
re-release: Billy Jack Wills / "Crazy, Man, Crazy" / on Joaquin
Records??
Although it's possible I've heard this guy on a compilation, the name
of *this* Wills isn't ringing a bell for me. Anyone know about this?
A
Sounds like something I want to give a listen to! Thanks Tom
--junior
Speak of the devils! g Apparently SLF is going to tour, with
ex-Jam man Bruce Foxton on bass See dates below.
--junior
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Here are the current SLF dates:
05/15/99 Boston MA Axis
05/16/99 New York NY Tramps
05/17/99 Toronto, CAN
Paul Rodgers on his own influence:
"The original Bad Company was the soundtrack to a lot of
people's lives," says Rodgers. "I mean, if you listen to
some of the music, a lot of the music, actually, it could be
said that Bad Company is responsible for the population
explosion during
Greg says:
A fullblown WSQ thread.
Damn, I love this list!
Yeah, I've been enjoying this thread too. I'm chiming in late, but
hasn't anyone mentioned Julius Hemphill? He was my fave of the
bunch. Saw him a lot over the years and followed him from his B.A.G.
days in St Louis to his New
Yeah, Don I can agree with most of this critique in general terms,
until we get to the sincerity bit. As I've said so many times, the
"sincerity" argument never gets it for me. But I'm certainly all for
more musicianship and less scenester 'tude
--junior
Red Meat do Atlanta:
And that Atlanta show...fun fun fun! We played with the Ex-Husbands, who I
never had heard before. And they absolutely rocked -- a fantastic band! If
you live in the Southeast and haven't seen 'em, by all means go! Now! Now
if we could just get them to come out
Well thank god she's not a mint-julep girl g.
Nice clip, Bill...
--junior
Ah, thank you Brad! Yeah, Van Howard is the name... And I do
believe he's the heavyset guy I've seen in old footage, etc.
--junior
Joe:
I think it's Ray Price, doing the old (pre-multitrack) overdub technique
whereby you sing as the original master rolls and record the mixed
result onto a new master.
While I'm the last person to be differing with Joe, I honestly
think it's not just Ray overdubbing with himself but
And btw, it struck me as ironic that while the media was getting
gonzo over Gretzscy's last perfomance, few stories seemed to mention
that this was very possibly Johnny Cash's last show. If he goes
downhill, that's it
I think Emmylou was crying a little there at the end, during I Walk
Don:
As for Dylan's influence on
pop music, I'd bet Bob would choose the Big E. over himself any day.
Indeed. Not that we don't all love and respect Bobby, but there's
just no comparison here
--junior
Heard a great show by Robbie Fulks here in Lawrence last night. I
think the guy's just getting better and better. The difference
between the more "indie"-esque material and the country material
seems less and less of a problem to me now, perhaps I'm just getting
used to it.
Anyhow, I'm
As Carl said, underappreciated by whom is the question...
Although it was talked about here a bit, I would also think of
"Bakersfield Bound" by Hillman and Pedersen. I was blown away by
this album and I've probably listened to it as much as any other
album this decade Incredible
Jo Carol Pierce: "Bad Girls Upset by the Truth"
Oh yeah, I forgot about this one. This is indeed a real piece of
work, must be heard (or seen) to be believed. I heard her do the
whole thing at a theater during a SXSW three or four years ago and
absolutely loved it. I kind of wish she'd
These dates just in on the first road action since the album.
These are apparently a kind of warm-up for a long-haul
period of touring starting in late June to coincide with album
release July 13, etc
Although a previously-mentioned KC date doesn't appear on this list,
there's still
While we're on side players, I'll add that I've been listening to a
lot of Albert Lee for the last week or so. Not sure what got me
started, but I hadn't heard much from him or about him for awhile and
once I got started I went back through a bunch of stuff he's on, just
to enjoy it, etc...
I'd think the criteria would be only that we're *not* talking a
"front" person. So either studio or touring musicians who contribute
to the sound and result but aren't the featured performers.
So Vince Gill wouldn't qualify, even though he's a top-rate player,
whereas Pete Anderson or Gurf
The conflict is not over
the stench, but over the farmers' right to play country
music loud enough so that the porkers can hear it.
What, country is big with golfers now?? That's great!
Rimshot,
--junior
Oh yeah, the planned pool at the Oak Grove. Lord, I'd forgotten
about that...
--jr.
Matt:
Just found out the original J. Geils Band is coming to Columbus to play
Lord yes, the original band (the first two albums) was incredible.
"First I Look at the Purse," "Milk and Alcohol," etc Before they
degenerated into goofiness, they were briefly one of the very best
bands
Or maybe the mistake got in there because the real John-June son (the
mediocre one) was at the show. I saw his presence mentioned in
several accounts...
--junior
Interesting how lots of people chime in with Peter Wolf memories
That Cobo Arena show sounds great g.
I've always heard stories about what a marvelous and
influential DJ Wolf was in his early Boston period, but I was in
NY and Philly then and never caught any of this. My own teenage
More power to Willie, but it's sometimes sad to see him featured as
the token twang artist at a travesties like this Hope he gets
paid a LOT!!! g
--jr
"The aural equavalent of a wasanabe sp? nasal inhalant"?
Sounds like a band Greil Marcus would find terribly significant. At
least they aren't working-class southerners!!! g
--junior
Oh yeah, not to mention Cibo Matto and other fundamental acts of the
90s
Grumpy cause there's probably a tornado starting up outside my
building. We seem to be starting up early this year!!
--junior
Also to consider for Diane and whoever else is thinking about these
issues is of course the difference between promoting shows and owning
the bar/venue itself.
These are two very different balls of wax. Dave describes someone
who's had a good effect locally by *promoting,* but starting up a
Go, Roger!! g. Well, the man has always been into technology,
that much is certain He was also a fairly early emailer on one
of those Byrds websites, as I recall. When I first got hooked up
the the web and started emailing and all, I remember being amazed by
the fact that he'd replay
Good lines all
"when your gal ain't just a dish, she's a whole set of china,that's love"
-- That's Love/nothing but the truth
Joe Ely once sang "Your love ain't just the hot sauce, it's the whole
enchilada".
And Huelynn Duvall once sang: "Well baby is you is? / Or is you
Heh, it's good to agree with Dave on *some* things. I've listened
to Shonen Knife and seen a couple of these bands live (Cibo Matto
and Pizzicatto 5 or whatever their name was) and I'll tell you,
truly, I came away with my butt completely intact
Cibo Matto was "cute," I guess (the
All of this talk about non-US bands reminds me that last night on CNN
I saw live footage of a Serb band playing one of those anti-NATO
rallies in downtown Belgrade.
It made me think of Jon Weisberger because the band's idea of
postmodern (or at least postmetal) irony and political commentary
Marie's right, Guitar Wolf was actually really good. I forgot about
them...
--junior
Seiji (sp? I think...) Ozawa is, I believe, a Japanese native. He
gets as much work in Europe and worldwide as he does in the US, in
fact, and qualifies as one of the most successful conductors of the
last 20 years or so Not necessarily for classical (see? I'm
fine with the term g)
Morgan:
Yeah, it would be safe to say they were the most successful Japanese act
stateside, or at least one of the most successful... They were definitely
in with the orthopedic shoe set for some time... g I remember they had
these really cool buttons... Very "Powerpuff Girls"...
Buford said:
I work with a couple of Japanese gals who are just as cute and
botch the English language just as badly. I think I'll round them up,
pull a Malcolm McLaren, and get them to sing my new hit songs
"My Dog Like Vanilla Ice Cream" and "Red Car Go Fast Ha! Ha!
Ha!"
No, you're
I wasn't kidding about Elastica, Bill. As derivative as they were, I
thought they were terrific. Truly
I had a great music week in 96, or whenever it was they toured, when
I saw them on a Thursday night in the Union ballroom here at the
University of Kansas, then two nights later in
Yeah, Deb, it is indeed a "half-life" Jerry is referring to.
A "semi-life" is the truck-driving life, as everyone on P2 knows
--jr.
"Gimme Shelter"?
That was too cliched, but I couldn't resist...
--junior
Matt:
I haven't got that one yet (tho I've heard about that studio
fight: I believe it is included on those "celebrity losing it" tapes
that make the rounds), but the one at the end of "5D" is painful:
McGuinn and the Walrus talking about the *new* album. Yn. I
don't know how
You know, Cheryl, I resisted the anti-Christgau wave for a while, but
he really does have his head up his arse these days. Might as well
admit it and be done with it. The Voice at its best, moreover
g.
Maybe a motto for next year's P2 Tshirt would be "Screw You,
Christgau," or some
I too think Roir is still in business. In fact I seem to see more of
their CDs today than ever. Their MC5 compilation, for ex., is
terrific and highly recommended
--junior
Since John brings up his best so far, I thought I'd mention I
recently got the new Rosie "Dance Hall Dreams" and am a bit
disappointed.
I really love Rosie and keep hoping she'll release a killer album but
it doesn't seem to happen. Damn The material, for the
most part, never really
Don:
I don't know about the Derailers' new one, but unfortunately I didn't find
Kirchen's new one to be much better than Rosie's.
Double damn, then I really hate it when people I love come out
with albums I can't get enthused about, etc. I hope we get another
good one soon. This
If Don's list is any indication, perhaps Sire's efforts in the
Americana vein are finally starting to pay off.
There's also the Tim Carroll due out on Sire later this spring or
early summer, no??
--junior
Don:
Well, it's one thing to put out good records. It's quite another to
figure out how to sell 'em.
Heh, this is about exactly what one Derailer was saying to me at
SXSW. But putting out that good record is a lot farther along than
most people get to begin with...g
--junior
Actually, I saw 'em in 76 at CBGB's too old old old!!! and several
other times, but they didn't do any more for me then than they do
now, in retrospect.
Ah well,
--junior
The Swedish top 10 is even better than the British! What are these
folks drinking??? g. Must be smuggling Aquavit across the border
or something.
Many P2-beloved bands would be making better livings if these kinds
of preferences were exhibited over here, sheesh
--junior
First Amy:
Well, referencing Peggy Lee's "Fever" isn't going to win any points with
me, as I don't love either the song or her toneless version of it. If this
loses me major kitsch-cred points, that's fine with me.
Then Ross:
Well thanks, I guess, for pointing out to me that I'm just
Sorry if I missed it if it was posted, but could someone post the web
address for Bug? I've always wondered about them and this thread has
made me want to find our more about it...
Thanks,
--junior
Like Cheryl, I'd love to see a more comprehensive breakdown of
gender demographics in the contemporary music market... Anyone know
where such figures could be had?
Also, Cheryl suspects:
I suspect that more men are obsessive collectors,
Hmmm. I thought it was an established fact that men
Thanks for those sources, Jon. I'm going to check them out.
--junior
Speaking of, has anyone read that biography of Drake that's around
these days. Being cheap, I haven't bothered to skim one of those
expensive-looking hardcovers I see everywhere. But I will probably
consider it when remainder / paperback time rolls around...
--junior
Bill:
n.p. Roger Miller box, disc1
Oooh! Now we're talking... How is that set? Are there relatively
straight tonkers, etc. on there, before the full-blown sixties style
sets in? I've seen that thing in stores but have never taken the
time to check it out.
Matt says:
A few honkers, like the much discussed Lock Stock Teardrops, but not
much. Has some of his classics (such as Invitation to The Blues) as cut
by Miller in...um..early 70's? I think. But sticks to mainly to the 60's
Smash years.
Well fill me in here. Did Miller record much or
Don't worry, Erin. We're way too quick for the old "attachment"
scam. I just deleted that one without looking g. Good to see you
on the list, though.
--junior
BTW, one of the cooler things I brought back from SXSW was a copy of
the new compilation of Charlie Burton's work, "One Man's Trash: The
Charlie Burton Story" (Bulldog Records).
The folks at Bulldog have done the service of collecting a lot of
very hard-to-find early Charlie singles (e.g.,
Of the Brit CMA "international" division awards, Don sez:
Which is a helluva lot better than what the American CMAs usually end up
with.
Ain't it the truth. It's weird how they do *so* much better, from a
quality standpoint. What explains this? Do they simply get less
industry pressure
Jon on the surprisingly high "quality" music being recognized by the
Brit and Australian country music press, etc :
I suspect that there's an element of this. I remember reading an
article last year about some Nashville push that was going on in
Australia.
There is also a Brit /
Mark:
Now where's that recipe for Tex-Mex Latkes??...
You use Mole instead of sour cream.
Of course, how could I forget!? Have a good one, everbody...
Off to start those matzoh balls. I will have a matzoh ball cookoff
with anyone on the list, btw. Mine are the fluffiest in the land
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the Cornell Hurd "Fruit
Shack" album has band members recollecting their "worse gig ever" in
between the musical tracks. Some of them are pretty funny, although
overall the schtick gets a bit old as you relisten to the album.
And yeah, counting off
Thanks for the Cartwrights news, Andre. I'm glad to hear they're
living up to their musical reputation.
Was Donny Ray packing?? g
--junior
Dave:
Dunno about Postcard, but given that everything from Coltrane to
Blue Oyster Cult comes up here on a regular basis, I think one
would be hard-pressed to describe P2 as a list of No Depression
purists.
Indeed. Perhaps the demographic description should be changed to
"free-range
I get the feeling this entire journalistic discourse is part of
larger marketing and publicity calculations. When these people could
secure a niche identity for themselves as "altcountry," they did.
Now that they've consolidated at that level and seek poprock
market visibility wider than
Jerald remembers the names of those two vintage shops on S Lamar...
Amelia's or Flashback.
Which reminds me: there's another good vintage place way up North,
just off 50th (I think?), not too far from Airport Blvd. They have
more boots than Amelia's or Flashback, although the selection
So:
Perhaps. I'd rather hear Debussy than Wagner in my rock. The latter
leads to things like Meat Loaf.
Hmm, Carl, does this mean you're not interested in classical music?
Besides, the former leads to things like BST.
People!! Wagner and Debussy are yucky *romantic* music. They are
I love this. Only on P2 does a discussion of the state of country
radio devolve into questions about the differential effects of
radically diverse sax players like Brubeck, Kenny G, Sun Ra, or
Coltrane on a non-informed rock audience. Not to mention this
business about Wagner
Don:
The recent hubbub between phone companies notwithstanding, that thing
Junior posted has been goin' around the internet for years -- so much so
that it's on the CIAC hoax page. Maybe you should complain to the CIAC
about them labelling it a hoax.
Hmmm, I'll leave y'all to sort this out
Jeff:
Because after this disc, what can God do to top himself?
Well, if it's the righteous arm of Old-Testament-destruction Yahweh,
he might start off by ridding the world of Diamond Rio and
Blackhawk. The rest can be saved on the Ark of Twang g.
--junior
Jon:
Blackhawk is utterly unmeritorious, but by God, if you want to get to
Diamond Rio, you're going to have to get past me and Louise Kyme - and
buddy, let me tell you, she is tough.
Hoowee, "utterly unmeritorious" is the nicest thing one can say g.
Guess I'll just leave the Rio boys to
Ron queries
What song would you like to see a Miss America candidate perform and
get you to jump out of your seat?
There are so many possibilities!
A good one would be the Runaways' (Joan Jett') "Cherry Bomb":
Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-cherry bomb!!
(the riot grrl "My Generation"?)
Actually, to keep things twang-oriented, I withdraw my glam and
proto-punk suggestions and propose instead"
"Did I Shave My Legs For This?" (exact title?)
Maybe Miss Tennessee could sing this one
--junior
Carl says:
"By the hand of the father" is, if I recall rightly
a song cycle-cum-theatre-piece based on the history of his family, which he said
he'd received an NEA grant to develop.
This is interesting and certainly makes me raise an eyebrow, as it
tends to confirm many of my
How ironic that comments on Country Music Weekly should replace a
thread titled "Shania Spam" g
Anyhow, Jon summarized the surprisingly catholic contents of this
perennial of the checkout lines and said:
Like I said, a little less money or a little better writing and I'm there...
This
Barry, I first learned about the Saturday night Lindley benefit
(Texas Union Ballroom) from Joe's post yesterday, so I figure he can
give us more info when he logs back on... Joe??? g...
Judging from his comment there, I assumed there are 2 Lindley
benefits: Saturday night at the Union
You go, Matt! The art of the Jeremiad is not dead!!! g.
Those Mormon Assault Vehicles do suck. All they are is symbols of
ADY syndrome (Advanced Decadent Yuppiedom, of course)
--junior
Jon:
FWIW, Country Music monthly generally has better writing and more thorough
coverage than CMW, and it's cheaper, too, which is why I subscribe to it.
Of course, you don't get the latest news as quickly that way, but things
move slowly around here anyhow.
Yeah, but kinda like that weekly
Matt:
Now I'm lookin up Jeremiad..
Heh... g. Jeremiad's were a particular form of sermon in 16th-17th
century Calvinist culture, consisting of long and elaborate
complaints and inveighings against the fallen-ness of current times.
So-named from the book of Jeremiah, wherein the
Haven't been following this thread, but for altcountry
instrumentalisms, has anyone mentioned the "Travis County Pickin'"
album? All twang, no noodling Still the best recent instrumental
album I know of, an album that gets regular time in my changer two
(or three?) years after it came
Another query: does anyone have any info about when and where Tim
Carroll may be surfacing at SXSW? For example, with Lonesome
Bob??
I haven't seen his name anywhere officially but assume he'll be
playing someplace or other...
--junior
Joe sez:
As for music content, it appears that the gig Saturday March 20 will be
Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Hal Ketchum, and Kimmie Rhodes at the Texas Union
Ballroom on the UT campus.
What time will the show be starting?
--junior
This House bill concerning internet access concerns us all on P2,
lord knows It's a good moment to use email to write your
Representatives and inveigh against this bill. More dangerous than
SUVs and definitely a detriment to all things P2!!
Power to the twang people,
--junior
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Jeff:
hmm, gonna have to check that one out. My favorite is Appilaichan Swing
with them Swangin Kentucky Colonels. aka Roland and Clarence White. Hot
damn it's good.
Yeah, Appalachian Swing is a classic that also gets regular time in
my changer despite being over 30 years old! g.
I always
A hoax... Well sheee-it, color me hoaxed.
Damn,
--junior
Oh, Purcell's back. It's just old home week around here,
n'est-ce-pas (as they say down on the bayou). Millenial anxiety,
sheer coincidence, or the inescapable lure of twang subculture? You
decide.
--junior
Darn, I'd been saving up band names. "We are not the undead but
merely indulge in ironic covers..." was a leading contender this
year.
--junior
Jerker, just put "sxsw" into any search engine and the website should
come right up www.sxsw.com, I assume?
--junior
Carl starts a thread:
I also have some thread-sparking questions (what was the first known
instance of the half-ironic cover - is he right in naming the 'Mats's
Kiss cover as Patient Zero - and also how to relate this web of
analysis to the various levels of irony
Yes, Jake, can you please repost your piece in straight mail form for
those of us whose computers don't open attachments?
Many thanks,
--junior
Jeff say:
ZZ Top's early stuff positively smoked Seger - I'll agree with that...
Oh yes, absolutely. That 3-disc set of the early ZZ albums is
quite a document. Texas, baby!! g
--junior
npimh: Tube Snake Boogie
Is there still space on Curry's 'acts we wouldnt mind seeing
wiped from the earth' list?
Can you say "Little Texas"? As open-minded as I'd like to be, I just
could not figure the rationale for their existence.
--junior
Mr. Joe Gracey Sir sez:
An interesting note about George Jones, from my standpoint as a watcher
of singers- he sings through the whole front of his skull. Whereas most
vocalists open their mouths and project a sound from the hole, George
basically sings through clenched teeth and projects
Terry mentions the outlaw movement... Don't recall a thread on
them, offhand. I loved these guys in a cultural sense but wasn't
real into the rhymthic feel (the "boom-chuck," rhythm as opp to a
swinging rhythm...). I never have understood that rhythm thing...
They were certainly an
Bill quips:
Junior, upset that REVERB DELUXE didn't make the top 50, wrote:
Damn straight! Sheesh g And where's Dwight? Was he in there
anywhere?
And honestly, I'm sorta surprised people rate Exile in the top ten of
the decade. The year it came out, possibly, but the entire decade??
This is an interesting thread and I will chime in on the Dwight
development to reiterate what I said last week in response to
Lightnin' Rod Terry's initial post about the production on that
album...
Somewhat along the lines of what Bill said of Dwight, or what David
said in more general
Out of curiosity, who else was in Blondie last night, besides Harry,
Stein, and Burke. Did they have that tall woman on bass that was
playing with them when they first reformed a couple of years ago
(hooweee!!! g)? Or who?
Just wondering
--junior
ps. Neal, I like Burke pretty well.
Yeah, the Kansas song on Half Mad Moon is one I've listened to over
and over because I had a hard time a) deciphering the lyrics, b)
understanding how they all went together once I'd figured them out
(there are still a couple of lines I don't get, in fact...). And
being in Kansas, I felt
Slim quips:
I have figured it out: The Damnations TX are a country version of Cheri
Knight.
Ooooh!! Mrowl! gGood one, Slim.
Like I said this morning, don't let the buzz fool ya, they're a fine
fine band!!!
Nuff said for now,
--junior
Actually, Terry, funny you should ask. There are, in fact, several
significant developments about Twangfest lately Including
headliners, and so on.
We're going to get ourselves organized for an announcement of several
of these developments in just a very few days.
Not trying to be a
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