[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joe Gracey writes:
.One example I have always
found particularly grating was the Dead's vocals, which are like
fingernails on chalkboards to me, but which apparently don't bother
their fans. I find Dylan's early stuff to be engaging, his later stuff
to
I think that was one reason I loved Jimmy Day's steel so much- he played
the steel like a voice, singing.
Joe Gracey
Which reminds me--besides the blues vocal tradition influence on the way
Floyd Tillman would sin it struck me listening to the Columbia recordings
since yesterday that he did the
I'm chiming in midstream, so I'm not really sure where this thread
has been or eventually went, but Dylan has his "own thing" and for
that alone he should be revered. I mean Celine Dion has a great
voice, but she still sucks.
Occassionally, I forget that Dylan actually *did* have a genuinely
Joe Gracey writes:
.One example I have always
found particularly grating was the Dead's vocals, which are like
fingernails on chalkboards to me, but which apparently don't bother
their fans. I find Dylan's early stuff to be engaging, his later stuff
to be almost painful, vocally...
Tom Ekeberg wrote:
Carl W.:
As a footnote to our discussion, see the new issue of the Atlantic,
including an article arguing that Dylan changed pop music more than
any other single figure, "including Sinatra, Elvis or the Beatles."
Of course. He single handedly made it all
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
really isn't all that good. And while we're goin' down that roadEmmylou
on lead these days isn't all that appealing, yet as backup/harmony is quite
nice.
Oh, that's open to a serious rebuttal, but we are talking about subjective
opinions.
His Royness:
Tom Ek. wrote:
Of course. He single handedly made it all right not to know how to sing,
not to know how to play
Bob knew how to sing and knew how to play. Still does.
Everything is true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some
sense, true and false in some
Tomness writes:
Seeing the sense in which Bob Dylan don't know how to sing shouldn't be too
hard. Seeing the sense in which Bob Dylan don't know how to play harmonica
should be a no brainer.
Ah, if I only had a brainIn what sense does Bob not know how to sing? He doesn't
know how
Tom Ekeberg wrote:
Seeing the sense in which Bob Dylan don't know how to sing shouldn't be too
hard.
This is what I actually disagree with. Not being able to sing very well
and not knowing how to sing are two different things. I think Dylan made
amazingly effective use of a very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Flat Out Worst Singer that is horrible but does not spoil the music in any
way, shape, or form - Neil Young
= Nicely put!
best,
Kate
At 15:26 24.04.99 -0500, you wrote:
Tom Ekeberg wrote:
Seeing the sense in which Bob Dylan don't know how to sing shouldn't be too
hard.
This is what I actually disagree with. Not being able to sing very well
and not knowing how to sing are two different things.
Okay. That's what I
In a message dated 4/24/99 3:25:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I also noticed that he didn't have the
strongest voice in the world. However, he figured out strategies for
evading those problems and became a great singer.
I would beg to differ as the King got into
At 05:30 PM 4/24/99 EDT, you wrote:
where what I believe was his last televised concert he sang "Unchained
Melody" accompanying himself on the piano. It is one of the most emotional
and powerful musical moments I have ever seen. He looks like hell, but that
voice is strong and perfect. It
In a message dated 4/24/99 4:50:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
But it makes me
cry precisely because his voice CAN'T do it anymore, which isn't so
suprising since he's like only a few weeks away from being dead. He can't
hit the high notes at all, or the low ones
I'm sort of surprised by Joe's reference to Willie and Waylon as examples
of singers with deficient voices. Townes I'll buy, but to my ears, both
Waylon and Willie have great instruments. Curiously, though, of the three
only Townes can deliver a song or a phrase right to the center of me and
John Kinnamon wrote:
I'm sort of surprised by Joe's reference to Willie and Waylon as examples
of singers with deficient voices. Townes I'll buy, but to my ears, both
Waylon and Willie have great instruments.
Willie doesn't have a "big" voice, although it can be loud if he wants
to. he's a
As a footnote to our discussion, see the new issue of the Atlantic,
including an article arguing that Dylan changed pop music more than
any other single figure, "including Sinatra, Elvis or the Beatles."
(No mention of Der Bingle.)
Read and discuss (I haven't,
Carl W.:
As a footnote to our discussion, see the new issue of the Atlantic,
including an article arguing that Dylan changed pop music more than
any other single figure, "including Sinatra, Elvis or the Beatles."
Of course. He single handedly made it all right not to know how
At 09:36 PM 4/23/99 +0200, Tom wrote:
Of course. He single handedly made it all right not to know how to sing,
not to know how to play and still be a big star.
I have no comment. Just wanted to say how great it was to see a Tom Ekeberg
post! --david cantwell
At 07:48 PM 4/21/99 -0400, Carl wrote:
Not to displace anything in David's definitive Top 4 -
(sideline: except that I'm not quite convinced we've covered soul
properly in the person of James Brown, whose influence vocally and
rhythmically is definitive for
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 5:53 PM
To: passenger side
Subject: Re: Single Most Influential
At 01:49 AM 4/21/99 -0400, Tera wrote:
Yes, I know what you mean - however...Crosby was influenced enough by
Jolson
to forego his previously scheduled future to pursue a caree
At 01:49 AM 4/21/99 -0400, Tera wrote:
Yes, I know what you mean - however...Crosby was influenced enough by Jolson
to forego his previously scheduled future to pursue a career in music.
After Crosby began singing he took other influences into account and thus
established his own style. I'd
Not to displace anything in David's definitive Top 4 -
(sideline: except that I'm not quite convinced we've covered soul
properly in the person of James Brown, whose influence vocally and
rhythmically is definitive for funk-disco-rap but not so much in the
more
All this talk of Bing Crosby has piqued my interest. Other than some pretty
corny movies, I can't say I've ever really given him a chance. So today I
wandered over to the easy listening section of the local CD store to browse
and see what I could find. Not much. Lots of Armstrong, tons of
I'm curious why we've collectively overlooked the influence of Bob Marley in
our discussion so far. Is it because he's not from the United States? Is it
because we find reggae to be a marginal music that has had little impact in
American culture? Or is it because we're sick of hearing Legend
Re: Single Most Influential 20th Century Pop Musician
The most influential pop musicians of the 20th century are, in order:
1) Louis Armstrong
2) Elvis Presley
3) James Brown
4) Bing Crosby
Armstrong and Crosby loom over the first half of the century the way Elvis
and JB do the second.
Who's #
. Should
we be talking about Crosby here or should we be giving a nod to Al Jolsen as
one of the single most influential? No matter where you look to the
greatest, there's always someone who came before.
Whoever it was who talked about Buddy Bolden - yes, Armstrong borrowed a
lot from Buddy. Should
David Cantwell wrote:
The most influential pop musicians of the 20th century are, in order:
1) Louis Armstrong
2) Elvis Presley
3) James Brown
4) Bing Crosby
Armstrong and Crosby loom over the first half of the century the way Elvis
and JB do the second.
Who's #5? Mahalia?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, in order to reel in this madness, let's focus on rock, instead of pop.
Who then? Elvis, Dylan or Cash or... ? I still stand by Dylan over Cash
easily, but there's a good argument to be made that Elvis wins over Dylan.
After all, he did define the sound, and
Carl Abraham Zimring wrote:
I'm sticking with Bing, but I'm a little surprised that none of the rock
advocates have mentioned Chuck Berry.
Carl Z.
If you say Chuck Berry, you have to go one step back and say T-bone
Walker, who spawned not only CB but all of them guitar heroes like BB
King
At 03:50 AM 4/20/99 -0400, always pushing me to have to think g, Tera wrote:
Crosby has said that his greatest musical influence was Al Jolsen. Should
we be talking about Crosby here or should we be giving a nod to Al Jolsen as
one of the single most influential?
There's no doubt that Crosby
Crosby has said that his greatest musical influence was Al Jolsen. Should
we be talking about Crosby here or should we be giving a nod to Al Jolsen
as
one of the single most influential?
Tera
"There's only been four of us: Al Jolson, Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, and
Jerry Lee Lewis. T
lance davis wrote:
Or, you could say Louis Jordan, who may qualify as the 20th Century's most
influential performer that most people tend to forget. His impact in the
black community was especially remarkable, and the list of performers who
consider him a PRIMARY influence include: Ray
As great as some of those nominees are, I would have to pick Elvis as the
most influential. When Sinatra died a few months back, a colleague of mine
tried to suggest he was the most influential singer of the century, and he
was outraged I would even suggest Presley was greater. But to me, Elvis
David said (edited):
There's no doubt that Crosby idolized Jolsen. EVERYONE idolized him, but
I'm not so sure he was that big a musical influence on Crosby. Certainly
Jolsen's charisma as a performer was an inspiration, but as for the way he
actually sang, Crosby was far more influenced by
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 19-Apr-99 Re: Single Most
Influential.. by "Terry A. Smith"@seorf.O
The Beatles, appears to have been skipped over, perhaps, dare I speculate,
because it's such an obvious choice? If we're talking about rock, in my
subjective, fallible,
get to you, you might not be long for this list. This is just a typical day
in the life of P2. And just wait til we rehash one of those recipe threads or
my particular favorite: the greatest pitcher ever, which, of course, would
Sandy Koufax, the Bob Dylan of his profession.
Neal Weiss
Dylan, Cash, Crosby, Elvis, whatever. Why don't we all just admit that
without the Ramones our lives would have no meaning?
Lance . . .
Lance, I'd say everything you wrote about Parker is dead on (I'd
better--I'm from KC where we just dedicated a huge Easter Island looking
bust of the Bird), but only IF we limit the discussion to jazz. If we look
to the whole of 20th century pop, however, which is what I was doing, then
Armstrong
In a message dated 4/19/99 3:52:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
And just wait til we rehash one of those recipe threads or
my particular favorite: the greatest pitcher ever, which, of course, would
Sandy Koufax, the Bob Dylan of his profession.
Greg Maddox. Where
As for the MOST influential, however, the way to look at it, seems to me,
isn't to identify the influences upon an act (in the way Oliver paved the
way for Armstrong) but to find out how far, and how broadly, into the
future a person's influence reaches. In Oliver's case it's not much further
In a message dated 4/19/99 2:50:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Agreed. David Crosby was really something else.
He ain't shit compared to Norm.
Nope. Wrong. Bill ruled the world before those dumb pudding commercials.
Uhhh, wait...
Slim
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, David Cantwell wrote:
Sure, you can trail after previous influnces forever, but I'd argue that's
important intellectual work. As for the MOST influential, however, the way
to look at it, seems to me, isn't to idenitfy the influences upon an act
(in the way Oliver
I'm sticking with Bing, but I'm a little surprised that none of the rock
advocates have mentioned Chuck Berry.
Carl Z.
Neal:
Sandy Koufax, the Bob Dylan of his profession.
Carl:
Lefty
(Stated in my best John McLaughlin voice)
The answer is: Walter Johnson
~Greg
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Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 19-Apr-99 Re: Single Most
Influential.. by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And just wait til we rehash one of those recipe threads or
my particular favorite: the greatest pitcher ever, which, of course, would
Sandy Koufax, the Bob Dylan of his profession
Your comments mirror those that have come in since I sent you the message.
I for one enjoy these things on a one on one basis, but back and forth over
this list thing get a little annoying.
The whole thing started because the argument was that Jahnny Cash was more
influential that Dylan.
I guess I'm not quite as comfortable with cause and effect as many of you
folks seem to be. Say, for example, I think Louis Armstrong was the single
most influential 20th Century pop musician. Armstrong was heavily
influenced himself by Buddy Bolden and King Oliver among many, many others
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it's a great list, david, but i pick brown (as i did in an earlier
post), if only because he all but birthed soul, funk, and hip
hop--hell, you can probably throw disco in there as well. i know that
by making such a claim i leave myself open to
In a message dated 4/19/99 2:45:23 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Agreed. David Crosby was really something else.
He ain't shit compared to Norm.
Armstrong and Crosby loom over the first half of the century the way Elvis
and JB do the second.
Agreed. David Crosby was really something else.
The most influential pop musicians of the 20th century are, in order:
1) Louis Armstrong
2) Elvis Presley
3) James Brown
4) Bing Crosby
Armstrong and Crosby loom over the first half of the century the way Elvis
and JB do the second.
Who's #5? Mahalia? Ellington? The Beatles or Dylan? Hank? I
Your comments mirror those that have come in since I sent you the message. I for one
enjoy these things on a one on one basis, but back and forth over this list thing get
a little annoying.
The whole thing started because the argument was that Jahnny Cash was more influential
that Dylan.
In a message dated 4/19/99 2:32:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The most influential pop musicians of the 20th century are, in order:
1) Louis Armstrong
2) Elvis Presley
3) James Brown
4) Bing Crosby
Armstrong and Crosby loom over the first half of the century
ock people that would
make the list would be Elvis, Beatles, Hendrix.
-Original Message-
From: David Cantwell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:36 AM
To: passenger side
Subject: Re: Single Most Influential 20th Century Pop Musician
The most influential pop
The most influential pop musicians of the 20th century are, in order:
1) Louis Armstrong
2) Elvis Presley
3) James Brown
4) Bing Crosby
Armstrong and Crosby loom over the first half of the century the way Elvis
and JB do the second.
Who's #5? Mahalia? Ellington? The Beatles or
Yow, tough stuff. I'm inclinded to offer up (as Brad did) Bing Crosby,
who pioneered how to sing pop into a microphone. Almost all pop singers
use aspects of techniques he pioneered, from Elvis to Shania to Sinatra
to Al Green.
Carl Z.
In a message dated 4/19/99 12:18:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blah blah Bob Dylan's the single most influential pop musician in the 20th
century. Hands down.
Not even close. Bob Dylan's more influential than Bing Crosby? Than Frank
Sinatra? Than Louis Armstrong
Yow, tough stuff. I'm inclinded to offer up (as Brad did) Bing Crosby,
who pioneered how to sing pop into a microphone. Almost all pop singers
use aspects of techniques he pioneered, from Elvis to Shania to Sinatra
to Al Green.
Because I got into a similar discussion yesterday in my bar with a
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