I put it in my top 5 all time rides when we were done.
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On May 1, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
> There were no weigh in! For now Curtis is the "World Heavy Weight Champ".
> This is a fantastic dirt ride!
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On May 1, 2015 9:25 PM, "dougP" wrote:
> Hugh
There were no weigh in! For now Curtis is the "World Heavy Weight Champ".
This is a fantastic dirt ride!
~Hugh
On May 1, 2015 9:25 PM, "dougP" wrote:
> Hugh:
>
> Did Curtis take you by The Path bike shop for an official weigh in? Loads
> of fun finding out our bike weights, and not really carin
Hugh:
Did Curtis take you by The Path bike shop for an official weigh in? Loads
of fun finding out our bike weights, and not really caring all that much.
I'm sure the shop guys had a good laugh about it. Good to see things are
still green along Trabuco Creek.
dougP
On Monday, April 27, 201
I love this:
http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
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Well done, DP. :) I suggest putting that response in the "Best
Posts Ever" list.
For your friend who is Tri-curious: have him buy a reliable, "heavier than
necessary" bike (Atlantis, Sam with drops and shifter/brakes or even a
Roadeo) so that he can train on it. It's "weight training" or "train
He was so nasty to me I have no problem calling him out. He's doomed to rot in
used bike parts hell...
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Head up to Auburn and ride the Foresthill Divide loop. 10 miles of awesome
singletrack action. Imagine all of the best parts of Joaquin Miller, for
10 miles...
I'd go with you except I have to work. Hit me up for dinner on the way
back!
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 5:06:42 PM UTC-7, Manuel Aco
BOOM! http://bradclick.bigcartel.com/product/new-9oz-stainless-doublewall-mug
A whole set of mugs in the future? Illustrations? Tarik? La Pavoni?
...if you give a mouse a cookie...
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I've damaged plenty of sidewalls, but the only time it ever mattered was
when riding tubeless. The Snakeskin sidewalls are fine, but you'll be
sacrificing a bit of suppleness. Definitely gaining protection in the
bargain, so nothing wrong with that!
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Deacon Patrick
I suspect you're right, David. It may be overkill having the snakeskin.
That's what I get for reading so many reviews from people I don't know (I
at least feel like I know you all a bit) who tore their sidewalls on rocky
trails. The Smart Sam's have a beefier casing, but none of the protection,
Wow!! I don't understand how this is acceptable by either Waterford or
Rivendell. I would want a new bike and I don't feel like I should have to ask
or insist... Rivendell should be insisting on delivering a defect free product
not making half-assed solution suggestions. I have owned 4 Rivendell
Great idea, Evan! everyone should have to provide photos of the places
your tires traveled. I'd love to give them a spin around the Niles Canyon
or down to Coyote Creek and over to the Peninsula. If I have access in
June (when school's out), I promise they will see both sides of the bay
wit
Those Dave Scotts are nice bikes! Best paint jobs out there as well!
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:38 PM, sameness wrote:
> Centurion Dave Scott. Hey, it says Ironman right there.
>
> Use the change to buy an Atlantis.
>
> Jeff "Owned an '86" Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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The eccentric answer: tell them to buy a Jones diamond frame and run super
motos tubeless on WTB Scraper rims. That bike will be fast as f&*k. People
don't understand the black magic of Jeff Jones until they ride one of his
bikes. They're astonishingly fast and capable, even for (reformed) tri-d
Grant approved: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5983628278/
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Michael Rivers wrote:
> Luna Mono on Gripkings thanks to Patrick. I can now run barefoot, but for
> long rides I need a little help. My feet get stronger everyday!
>
> Michael
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Btw, I talked to Grant about Speedblends back then. The hope was to get an auto
tire manufacturer to snap up the idea..at the time some of the Asian brands
were doing colored stripes on the treads for the Honda Civic kids. Now you know.
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I love this idea! They might look odd on the brown rims on my green ANT, but
I'll give 'em a whirl if it works out.
Joe in Vallejo
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Centurion Dave Scott. Hey, it says Ironman right there.
Use the change to buy an Atlantis.
Jeff "Owned an '86" Hagedorn
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I don't think the Snakeskin sidewalls are really needed unless you're
running tubeless. Weak sidewalls are the bane of a tubeless system, but
with tubes, it's not really a problem. YMMV.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> We'll get to try them together, Hugh! Here's what sol
Sounds awesome. Let me know when/if they need to head south.
I'll commute on 'em for a week (on a new-to-me Riv!), document, then
facilitate hand-off to San Diego and thereabouts.
Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
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Just cut and paste what DP wrote. A pretty nice summary of all the
pertinent arguments!
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Will wrote:
> Amit... Show this friend your bike. Explain all the features that caused
> you to buy it.
>
> Once he understands your decision process, he can map whatever eleme
Evan, That's a great idea and I think those guidelines oughta be
you'll need to submit a photo of you/bike/the tires somewhere. And
then ceremonially hand-off to the next brother (or sister). Kind of
like an [RBW] traveling gnome thing.
Hell, I'd be more than happy to kick it off and pass em along
Always welcome! Anytime your in the bay area let me know.
Manny
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P.S. The tires have at least 98.7% of tread remaining.
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Ain't a-much water left in that thar lake, Manny! But, I hear a ghost
town has emerged from the depths, or at least some good rubble to
check out...
Is it that Jack Taylor tandem? Awesome. Will be good for you and the Ms.!
=- Joe
On 5/1/15, Manuel Acosta wrote:
> Coming up to Folsom around lunch
Coming up to Folsom around lunch time to buy a tandem. Anyone free for a
ride or maybe lunch?
I hear good things about Folsom Lake... What to make the trip up kinda
worth it.
Imma bring my bike
Even more important any food options that would make the 2 hour ride easier?
Manny "Itching to ride
In an interesting and related development, I'll actually be drinking
caffeinated coffee or tea (Scottish Breakfast!) in this, as my recent
baby-step healing included caffein helping rather than blowing up my brain.
Fascinating! So I'll be living up to the ACW name! Grin.
I ordered this one beca
I waffled on the last one... this one is ordered! Love it.
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Pleasanton Ridge Regional Park to be specific. That fire trail leads up to
the west ridge which was added to the park a while back, though I don't
think it's officially open to the public yet (hence the need for gate
jumping). If you go the right way and hop another gate you end up near the
nor
in for one! sweet.
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Amit... Show this friend your bike. Explain all the features that caused
you to buy it.
Once he understands your decision process, he can map whatever elements
there are that carry to "tri" bikes.
Or... he'll understand he's asking the wrong person. Either way, he's got a
start.
On Fr
I just ordered one, too. Beautiful!
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Wow! Just in time to be my birthday mug! Order placed. That is one amazing
looking mug, and if it functions anything like the double walled stainless
steel mug (at 20 oz, way too big for bike packing) I have, it will be
stunningly functional too! Thanks!
With abandon,
Patrick
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X0-1 of course!
Working with a couple forum members doing a little Q&A, it was decided the
ACW needed some steel. Stainless steel that is.
Some song and dance later, and I'm super happy with the result, and the
orange printing came out just as I'd hoped. This group has always been
source of in
Purchased from a Riv/Bob a couple years ago when I thought I was going to
fiddle with single/double-speeds, then I realized my hill is *much* too
steep for such silliness. Never mounted by me, it looks like it was used
minimally by the previous owner (which I vaguely recall is also what he
told
Ha! I've had that run of "luck." Best get it out if he way all at once.
Philip
www.biketinker.cim
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Cheap steel? Sure, it comes at the expense of weight. Cheap carbon? No.
Thank. You. It comes at the expense of me.
With abandon,
Patrick
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We'll get to try them together, Hugh! Here's what sold me on supple as a
priority for tires:
-- I put on and rode my well worn Duremes 50mm on my Hunqapillar. I rode
the 5 mile trail and dirt road I ride to get anywhere. The ride was more
jarring than on the Quickbeam Clement MSO's (which are r
Funny I'm waiting to get my 26 x 2.1 TB's. I've had the same questions and
hoping for the best! I elected to go with the snake skin side wall for
added puncture protection and still I'm shaving a little more than two
pounds of ( currently running Big Ben's 910 grams each) rotational weight.
Gla
Ron,
On the old Rovers to which I'm referring, the steel chassis we're painted, and
the steel body cappings were galvanized; the zinc coating was much closer to
aluminum and wouldn't suffer galvanic corrosion. But on locations where a
non-galvanized steel bracket was riveted to the aluminum b
Ron,
On the old Rovers to which I'm referring, the steel chassis we're painted, and
the steel body cappings were galvanized; the zinc coating was much closer to
aluminum and wouldn't suffer galvanic corrosion. But on locations where a
non-galvanized steel bracket was riveted to the aluminum b
so "a guy walks into a bar" . . . . . . .
ahahaahahahahaaha !
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Hey All,
I am concerned the crank might break when Mark's gets all kugnarlee. I
believe they were the subject of a recall and Mark has not expalined the
discrepancy. I certainly hope he has the proper stamps.
Chris
Redding, Ca.
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I would have a long chat with him. The first question we should always
ask in these cases is, "What kind of riding do you want to do?"
Is this bike to be exclusively for triathlons and triathlon training?
Does he have any other bikes? How competitive is he in triathlons? Is
he interested in any ot
Yes, my answer would be different if they have no plans to enter triathlons
and this answer presumes at a minimum they want to get into triathlons. But
it is the answer I would give to an acquaintance as well as a friend. I'm
pretty stupid that way. It either leads to people running away or beco
Deacon: Brilliant!
*"You know what I ride and you know it is dramatically different from a
tri-bike, so why are you asking me? Are you asking me because you really
want a practical bike that you can ride in triathlons, that will look
vastly different on your 10 race days a year and be 99% as fa
I would ask the following
What kind of Triathlons do you do (Sprint, Ironman?)
What kind of bike do you have currently or did you have previously? what is
good or bad about that bike for you?
Will you ride it for anything but Triathlons?
Have you ever ridden a bike in that position (i.e super aer
Makes me think of a scene last night at the shop I work in.
A 75-year old customer (friend of the owners, apparently) decides he wants
to ride the entire RAGBRAI this year (7 day, ~450 mile supported social
tour).
He goes into a bike shop in Florida (where he winters) and manages to leave
with a
Amit,
I was in a similar situation last year. A friend wanted to buy a new bike;
his budget was about half of your friend's. He met me for a ride on two
occasions. He had an old mountain bike with the bars below the seat. As
we rode, he commented on my more upright riding position and how
c
Just to pile on and to address Lungimsam's original question:
- If the pedal is a long and broad platform (such as Thin Gripster or RMX
Sneaker Pedal), then the shoe and its sole rigidity matters very little.
- If the pedal has narrow/limited points of contact (such as the MKS
Touring Pedal), t
That’s the answer if he’s a good friend AND a triathlete.
Otherwise the answer is probably, Check with your LBS – they’ll fix you up.
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"You know what I ride and you know it is dramatically different from a
tri-bike, so why are you asking me? Are you asking me because you really
want a practical bike that you can ride in triathlons, that will look
vastly different on your 10 race days a year and be 99% as fast as riding a
tri-b
And is he a triathlete?
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 5:26:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> How good a friend is he?
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Amit Singh
> *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 5:26 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups
How good a friend is he?
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] So your friend calls and says he wants to buy a bike
He has a budget of $3,0
He has a budget of $3,000 and wants to buy a "tri-bike" and wants your
advice on what to get.
What do you tell him?
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> the King Cages folks make an unusual kind of cage/toe clip that is REALLY
comfortable. Pic here on my A.N.T. Truss Bike
Definitely nice. I managed to break one though. Stopped by a stop light at
a busy Chicago intersection with my right foot on the street. When the
light changed trying to
I like metallic sparkly paint jobs on bikes, like the Bleriot has.
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I like the flat paint in theory, but I think I would miss the Rivendell shine
after a few months.
Joe "it's a little flat" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
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popcorn keeps dentists employed
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 2:55:00 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Watch out for snake bites, you got that right. While working in the
> garden it occurred to me that the only thing that could possibly explain
> the pump failure was the one way intake valve,
Man, I wish I'd kept that '90 Voyager -- I gave it away to a single-mother
family via our church. A few $K in mechanical and paint and I'd have a
wonderful bike carrier; my daughter opined (granted, age 10 -- she's now 13
1/2) that she wanted to go to the Prom in it.)
FWIW, 8/10 of my driving is f
Few things sold, adding a Cygolite that Riv sells and some unused spokes...
DT Swiss DB Spokes - 274mm - lot of 19 - *$9* -
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/dt-swiss-competion-db-spokes-274mm-x-14-15-14-lot-of-19
Cygolite 310 Light - *$35* -
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/cygolite-str
Patrick,
Versatility as you described will top my list of features when I am next
shopping for a new-to-me vehicle. I have also given much thought to an
enclosed travel trailer, that could permanently house a family of bikes and
be easily towed when travel called-a bike shed on wheels. Of cour
Watch out for snake bites, you got that right. While working in the garden
it occurred to me that the only thing that could possibly explain the pump
failure was the one way intake valve, and I could not repair or replace
that. Time for I new pump. 30 miles RT to the nearest bike shop and I h
This is why I always drive vans of some sort that allow the rear seats to
be removed. Currently, my '06 PT Cruiser will easily carry 2 medium bikes
inside with front wheels removed, while still accommodating 2 in people in
the front (57-60 c-c frame equivalents). I bet I could get 4 inside with
bot
KC,
I appreciate the opportunity to update my experience. I went with the
Holywood platform
rack:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QJC4AY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
At the time, REI was out of the one I wanted from them. The basic set-up
of this rack holds two bikes, and
Luna Mono on Gripkings thanks to Patrick. I can now run barefoot, but for long
rides I need a little help. My feet get stronger everyday!
Michael
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Hi Keith.
Thanks again for the excellent work, and I'm still amazed by the
coincidence that you also are a Hunqapillar owner.
I just passed the hundred mile mark on the Hunq this morning, and the
seatpost remains firmly in place. The dirtiest experience was also this
morning - the C&O canal w
I ran a Campy square taper crank with one 39t ring on the outer side of the
crank with single ring bolts for a long time. The Campy 110 BB set up a
perfect chainline. Recently switched to the VO with 44t ring and 115 BB which
is a little inward.
Michael
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Oh man! Those are classy clips!
John
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> A little off-topic, but in addition to the BG half clips, the King Cages
> folks make an unusual kind of cage/toe clip that is REALLY comfortable.
> Pic here on my A.N.T. Truss Bike.
> https:/
Great and appreciated input. I'll look at that rack. It sounds like we
could start off with the capability to carry 2 and then add for 2 more in
a while so the cost isn't as bad up front..
My husband says we have 2" on both - I know we put the heavy duty hitch on
the Subaru. Used to tow a g
A little off-topic, but in addition to the BG half clips, the King Cages folks
make an unusual kind of cage/toe clip that is REALLY comfortable. Pic here on
my A.N.T. Truss Bike.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8088486740/in/set-72157630285823166
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Thanks for your help everyone. A fella can read so much about short trail,
mid trail as to get thoroughly confuse. Glad to have your practical
experience!
On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 6:08:30 PM UTC-6, Don Funke wrote:
>
> I have a 63cm Homer Hilsen and considering purchasing a Acorn Tall Ron
Hi Sean,
I'm just a home mechanic, and I've done it. It really wasn't that hard. I
replaced the entire leather top with some saddle leather that I cut and
shaped and it's worked out really well.
I put it together with brass screws and nuts and honestly it's worked great
for 6 months like tha
Since the experiment has been performed, the results must be tabulated to
satisfy the curious - what size tire can you clear on the 26" wheels? Is
the clearance at the chainstays reasonably spacious even with a beefier 26"
tire on there? Any idea what size the 26 tire could be with fenders?
Interesting to see a resurrected thread & also to be able to update from my
experience swapping hanging rack to a platform rack.
The hanging rack was reasonably quick to load, but the combination of
scratching the frames, and irregular top-tubes made the process a pain and
the top-tube converte
Kevin,
I'm glad to hear that what I did to your Hunq seemed to fix the problem.
Let me know if you have any other issues. Did you find a replacement bolt
and nut for the seat cluster. Hopefully you've had a chance to get your
new bike dirty!
Best,
Keith
On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 10:17:
Sold, thanks.
On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 5:08:06 PM UTC-7, JPM wrote:
>
> For Sale: pair of Ortieb Front-Roller Classic bike touring/commuting
> panniers. Keep it small and simple for touring and camping.
> Waterproof, easy to open/close, quick and secure attachment system.
> Reflective spo
Both bicycles have been sold. Thanks for inquiring.
On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 11:12:02 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Any chance shipping for the Atlantis is possible?
>
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Don't know how these compare with the 2.1, but I've got several rides on
the tubeless Nano 700x40 (on my disc cx bike). They roll very well on
pavement, gravel and dirt. Lack traction on snow (as you might expect).
Geoff
(Denver)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
> I know i'm b
Looking to try out the Tallux 7.
Maybe interested in Tech Deluxe 7, maybe interested in Tallux 6 or 8.
Probably not interested in the reg ol' technomic, as i'm being a finish
snob (nothing to do with Finland) on this one.
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MKS does a similar Lyotard-Berthet knockoff, as the Urban Platform Ezy
Superior.
http://www.mkspedal.com/English/catalog4.htm
Both the superelegant WI version and the MKS version are much bigger than
the original Lyotard pedals, which are all but unusable for anyone with
feet bigger than about
Unless warm, I wear my last pair of street shoes - currently Ecco something or
other. Sometimes sneakers, like when I am going to cut somebody's grass. I like
Chaco Paradox webby sandal-type shoes better than Tevas for warm weather
because they hide my hideous hobbit feet a bit more - but I use
And +1 for the BG clips, too – the White pedal with the BG half clips is a
terrific combo
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Takes you to EBPD Land bank area and abandon rancho!!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157639715937195/
If you go up. go left then right down towards the valley...
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:14:46 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> There's a fire trail at the top for the adventu
great-looking pedals for clips, and fast ingress
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:03:21 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>
> Oh! Of course, silly me. +1 on the White's, great pedals, especially with
> BG's clips.
>
> John
>
> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> Probably meant to be
Oh! Of course, silly me. +1 on the White's, great pedals, especially with
BG's clips.
John
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of
> an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals
Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old
Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/
I have them on two bikes. They’re great pedals if you like toe clips (I do,
for some bikes). Not so good without the clips.
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I'm curious. What is a Paul's Urban pedal?
I can't find a reference through the Googling.
Thanks,
John
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 3:31:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
>
>
> The second thing I do is vary the pedals I use. On my Ram & tandem I use
> Speedplay Frogs (I know clipless) and
Be aware that the platform-type carriers made for more than 2 bikes usually
require a 2" receiver hitch. 2" hitch receivers can be hard to find for
cars and car-based SUVs (like the Subaru).
You can add extenders/adapters to neck the 2" hitch down to a smaller 1.25"
hitch, but they are much less
Brave man! On a day like that, I would avoid power tools with blades. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
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watch for snakes, bro
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Last night I discovered the rear tires on both the Ram & Saluki were flat.
> I took them off but couldn't find a hole in either, even under water. I
> put the tires back together and pump them up to 80
Nor I in my bare feet! Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:27:27 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
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> all I know is my daughter can't pedal toe clips in her wrestling shoes
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On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 10:20:57 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Och, nae worries here, mate! I took it as a good cut to the bone Scottish
> joke (admittedly "good," cut to the bone," and "Scottish" are a wee bit
> redu
Och, nae worries here, mate! I took it as a good cut to the bone Scottish
joke (admittedly "good," cut to the bone," and "Scottish" are a wee bit
redundant). Grin.
Omegas help the foot function properly on a pedal. Without them one needs
specialized, accommodative footbinders, er, footwear. Gri
This info is very helpful as we will be purchasing a carrier immediately.
Turns out the fork paint damage on my beautiful new bike was likely caused
by the current carrier (Yakima hitch-mount swing away). Although we
couldn't figure out how it could be happening, the person loading the
carrie
and I was funning with your shoe aversion, I apologize if you were offended
- what works for you may not work for me.
Had a cute implied food nazi joke with the guy at the grocery store
yesterday. He asked me what the Omega was for. I told him I don't know,
but my daughter eats it.
On F
Last night I discovered the rear tires on both the Ram & Saluki were flat.
I took them off but couldn't find a hole in either, even under water. I
put the tires back together and pump them up to 80 & 60 lbs respectively.
This morning each had lost noticeable amounts of air. Repeated the test
Maybe it was locally concentrated ferric chloride from corrosion of the
steel in salt, but there is insufficient galvanic difference between steel
and aluminum to cause galvanic corrosion. Leslie, this is my profession
and what pays for my bicycles.
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:21:17 AM UTC-5
My apologies, Ron. Thank you for clarifying.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 8:43:42 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
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> Deac, don't quote me out of context - I was specifically addressing
> circulation pinch, as described by our friend.
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Deac, don't quote me out of context - I was specifically addressing
circulation pinch, as described by our friend.
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:05:43 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> I think we're in violent agreement on a number of things, Ron. Platform
> pedals make sense, and it is a mech
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