Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9

ok "Everything is nice : collected stories, sketches and plays" is not known to anyone by that title, but rather is known by the title "Works. Selections. 2012"??? Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Pro

Re: [RDA-L] Automatically adding relationship designators (was Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data...)

t would just be nice if we didn't hear constant complaints about us hoping for and working toward a better future. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! To unsubscribe

Re: [RDA-L] Automatically adding relationship designators (was Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data...)

r the advancement of information science and technology. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

tabase efficiency; it's about knowing what the pieces of data are, what they mean, and how they relate. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

be too great. Yes, we can identify some of the FRBR elements right now, and can do some things that years ago would have been thought of as impossible. But it's nowhere near what we should be able to do, because the data just aren't able to be identified precisely enough. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

objects of those keyword searches, or relevance raking, or Lucene indexing, or whatever other as-yet-undeveloped means of discovery there may be. How many times does this have to be said? Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

eb sites at Amazon, Best Buy, etc. Anyone denying that this is "FRBR in action" totally misunderstands what FRBR is. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

That is NOT at all what it is. It is a model of the data underlying the bibliographic records. Those are very, very, very different things. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

c costs for the initial development of the RDA text and especially the Toolkit will be paid off, and substantially lower subscription prices will be able to support ongoing maintenance???) Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 4

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

e accessible through the RDA Toolkit, but a subscription is *not* required to view the PS. So, yes they are a part of the Toolkit. But no, you don't have to pay anything to get them. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2

Re: [RDA-L] Thanks and a new question. Linking fields: 775 vs. 240

and. If the 240 or 130 happens to be identical to the 775 $t, that's because the same preferred title is used for both editions. But the fields are talking about two different resources. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 49

Re: [RDA-L] published or not published?

. It makes no difference whatsoever, as long as the official definitions are documented and implemented in systems. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Use of "stereo" for description of compact discs

o" as far as what the RDA element is describing. If the labelling doesn't say, you'd probably have to listen to the recording or look at the audio waveforms, I guess. Probably safest to leave that element blank if you can't determine it for sure. Kevin M. Randall Princi

Re: [RDA-L] Appropriate Relationship Designator

Like one that would be used for a particular work by Nathaniel Hawthorne, I suppose? Kevin > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Wagstaff, D John > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 201

Re: [RDA-L] Appropriate Relationship Designator

ce and the museum as described within the content of the resource itself is what is of bibliographic significance. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes s

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator

be any specific designators that fit the situation. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource D

Re: [RDA-L] 765 note again ((not-quite-so) hypothetical)

ly link it up with all of the other language expressions of that same work. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Descri

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

a in our bib records makes it difficult to see which pieces are this RDA element or that RDA element. The future should be much, much easier. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

4-2003. Sylvia" would be incorrect. But that's not the case. Both forms of name are valid authorized access points; as such, it is entirely appropriate to use one of them in a variant access point for a work entered under the other name, if warranted by usage in resources. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Titles of nobility

ns that if authorized access points are being used, they need to be made unique. That's not adopting "Anglo-American practices", it's adopting RDA. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Titles of nobility

the name cannot be readily ascertained." The instructions for *access points* for both names and works explicitly say that elements should be added to make them unique. It's when we're able to rely on identifiers that we can let go of the need for unique access points. Kevin M.

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 2.14E1

Dana: What you're looking for may be in LC-PCC PS 1.4, under "Pre-Modern Forms of Letters". Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible sh

Re: [RDA-L] French-language book ... with summary in French

ecords to be in that language. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 6.2.2.10 (was: alternative titles and variant access points)

single work, we must assume that library users don't know the collection by the title that the author and publisher gave to it--the title that is printed right there on the title page, the cover, the spine, etc., and that appears in publisher catalogs, advertisements, book reviews, b

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

le (the example in 6.2.2.10.3 seems to imply this), collections that have generic titles only, or (if being cataloged retrospectively) have come to be known by generic titles (e.g., generally referenced by generic titles in trade media, scholarly resources, etc.). Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

If the creator's name is part of the AAP, there is no conflict, unless the combination of name and preferred title are the same[footnote]. The title proper of one work being the same as the title proper of a different work is not in itself a conflict. Conflicts only apply to *authorized access

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

en Arakawa > Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation > Catalog & Metada Services > Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University > P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 > (203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu > > > > > -Original Message- > From:

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

festation* attribute) from the AAP (a *work/expression* attribute). When we're beyond MARC, I'm pretty sure that'll happen. (If it doesn't, we'll have done a poor job of replacing MARC...) But whether or not we should also move in that direction *with* MARC is something

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

level--it will only be at the work level, per RDA chapter 19. Hopefully, catalogers will start out describing *manifestations*, and then link those descriptions up to the expressions/works that are involved.) Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA

is to be accessed under that article (e.g., a title that begins with the name of a person or place). The LC-PCC PS says to apply the alternative. The record Jay Shorten cites appears to be in error. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k

Re: [RDA-L] Alternate forms of name as "access points"

int to record the relationship to a person, etc. associated with the resource. Variant access points are in chapter 8, which is generally understood in our current scenario as applying to authority records, not bibliographic records. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern Universi

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication

In my mind, "any other available source" seems to cover pretty much anything you could imagine anywhere in the universe. The phrase "e.g." means "for example" and should not be read as having any exclusive intent. An email message is obviously "any other a

Re: [RDA-L] Citing an unnumbered page

Could the page perhaps be cited as "page ii"? Personally, I'm not sure that I fully agree with that specific provision in LC-PCC PS 1.7.1 that Joan reminded us of. At least, in cases where strictly following it results in misleading or confusing data. Kevin M. Randall Pr

Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date

that indicates lack of certainty, which then necessitates use of a question mark. You may KNOW that something was published between 2000 and 2004, or you may assume that it was PROBABLY published between 2000 and 2004; those are two different things. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serial

Re: [RDA-L] Main series & subseries

in series: 988" since it gives significantly more information than just the number alone in a quoted note. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes si

Re: [RDA-L] Correct use of relationship designators for corporate bodies

se, it's all stated more *simply* the way it is now. On the one hand, it might require some more significant reorganization to put the guidelines in the more logical place; but on the other hand, it might help lessen some of the confusion between "main entry" and "cr

Re: [RDA-L] Main series & subseries

ould be presented in different ways graphically, giving the sense of the statement referring to the two separate entities: "Champs" and "Essais". But if it reads as as single phrase "Champs essais", then the main series is only implicit, and should be given in brack

Re: [RDA-L] RDA--How dynamic is it?

ickly than could be done with AACR2. Aside from having some placeholder chapters (for things that have no AACR2 equivalent), RDA is no more "unfinished" than AACR2 ever was. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...

Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions

hips. The film "Doctor Zhivago" was based on the *work* that was the novel by Boris Pasternak. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible sh

Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions

However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

sign their OPAC that way. But more likely, they'd be used in facets for filtering search results. If we were to limit our MARC records only to those things that show up in brief OPAC displays, we'd be even worse off than we already are in terms of the richness of metadata. Kevin M. R

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

recorded two different ways. Just like the statement of responsibility, which gets recorded in 245 $c, is a different thing from the authorized access point for the creator, which goes into 100. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847)

Re: [RDA-L] ] The "A" in RDA

x27;t use things without first getting them.) Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource D

Re: [RDA-L] ] The "A" in RDA

ples. I have a feeling (a very strong one) that if we're able to come to agreement about the meaning of the FRBR tasks there would be much less disagreement about what users are actually doing. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@north

Re: [RDA-L] 2.2.3.1 Preferred sources of information in different languages or scripts

ly choosing based on the agency's preferences. If a)-d) don't apply, then isn't this resource pretty much the equivalent of something that could have been presented as tete-beche but instead was put together interleaved? In that case, the spirit behind f) would seem to apply. K

Re: [RDA-L] Leaf (new RDA glossary term and definition)

r more multilingual to > serve native speakers of other languages, I do not understand RDA's > retreat into Anglocentrism. But then don't the words "leaves" and "pages" also constitute Anglocentrism??? Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern Univer

Re: [RDA-L] How would you relate these two works?

. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSE

Re: [RDA-L] KEY TITLE INDICATING ONLINE AVAILABILITY

ither locally or elsewhere if the records are transferred to another agency. In regard to the GMD (245 $h), the replacement data are in MARC fields 336, 337, and 338. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu>

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

Bob Maxwell said: "Be daring :-) If it's useful, do it." That's a great philosophy! Kevin Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearin

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

transferred, etc.). If there is other evidence that the name of the person in the copyright statement is the creator of the illustrations, then it would be proper to include a note. But a copyright statement does not belong in 245. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern

Re: [RDA-L] English & Hebrew --> English.. a taste of things to come?

ke care of handling the relationship of the series manifestation to its expression (or expressions, plural). But of course we can't do that with MARC data, at least the way we work with it. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (84

Re: [RDA-L] Question about preferred title for a compilation

in 1XX. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

field, access points, etc.). Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [m

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

int out if you print out an RDA rule. Dana Van Meter HS-SS Library Institute for Advanced Study Princeton, NJ 08540 vanme...@ias.edu<mailto:vanme...@ias.edu> -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

[RDA-L] RDA Update History

help catalogers determine if there was an actual change in a particular instruction, or when instruction numbers have changed, etc. Will this section of the RDA Toolkit be augmented with all of the histories for updates that have occurred to date? Thanks. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cata

Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

. Library bibliographic data is not a registry of copyright information. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Descri

Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

nformation that doesn't appear on the resource, but libraries generally are NOT those agencies. Anyone using library metadata as a resource for researching copyright information is looking in the wrong place! Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern Unive

Re: [RDA-L] "Authorized Version" (6.23.2.9.2)

by a name that implies a more neutral stance. Thus I would prefer to call it the "King James Version" or "King James Bible". Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.8 through 2.10, and Core status

Mac Elrod wrote: > > 264 #1 $a [Earth] : $b [Publisher of (name of the work)], $c [not > before 1992] > > You are kidding right? Yes, I was kidding on that one. Sorry I forgot the smiley face! Kevin

[RDA-L] RDA 2.8 through 2.10, and Core status

her than the "not identified" phrase for the other elements, and had a 264 such as: 264 #1 $a [Earth] : $b [Publisher of (name of the work)], $c [not before 1992] Have other libraries dealt with this question? Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University

Re: [RDA-L] 336, 337, 338 and the post-MARC environment

the catalog users themselves) wish. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description an

Re: [RDA-L] Relator terms in author/title added entries?

the name to the resource, but it's not part of the access point; it's just that in a MARC record, we haven't figured out any other place to put the relationship designator. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

itle proper is incomplete if it's leaving out $n and $p. I don't see any positive functionality of the separate subfielding; there only seems to be a negative effect. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

cades; the title proper element will fit into an ISBD display with no problem, and it can also be used in non-ISBD contexts and still make perfect sense. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

uch easier to allow for a limitless number of output choices (including ISBD). Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource De

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

Actually, it seems to me that ISBD display has been on the way out for a long time now, and I really can't see it coming back. Of course, we've left that pretty much all to the whims of the developers of the commercial systems anyway, so it's anybody's guess as to what we'll see in the future.

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

Area 0 337Area 0 338? 342Area 3 362Area 3 (if 1st indicator is 0), Area 7 (if 1st indicator is 1) 490Area 6 500Area 7 Kevin Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

ust think it easier and worthwhile for RDA to continue the . and resolve our singular . , .., no . confusion if for no other reason than to please the vast crowd of non-catalogers that we serve. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu<mailto:j...@franciscan.ed

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

ys been a bit wonky. I don't think there is any way that we can code data in MARC records so a "perfect" ISBD display can be generated, at least with today's OPACs. Just one more reason I hope an RDA-element-friendly metadata structure comes our way sooner rather than later

Re: [RDA-L] Use of square brackets for supplied imprint statements

, when there is absolutely nothing to be found in the resource in hand. Unfortunately, while the 264 $a will often be able to be filled in with *something*, the $b will still get that stock phrase from time to time. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Place names in 370

(Larger Place : Township)". If I'm formulating the AAP for the name of a place or body located in Place A Township, and need to use the name of the township as a qualifier, leaving out the word "Township" results in an AAP with the WRONG place name in the qualifier. Kevin

Re: [RDA-L] Relationships and comic books/graphic novels

es (e.g., works consisting of both graphic and textual content such as comic books)". Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resou

Re: [RDA-L] New format reproductions and RDA

for an entity associated with the original manifestation or a specific copy, and that association does not apply to the reproduction; I think such a case will be rather rare, though. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailt

Re: [RDA-L] Question about "conventional collective titles" (6.2.2.10.3)

on Services atara...@ucsd.edu<mailto:atara...@ucsd.edu> 858-822-3594 [cid:image001.png@01CD877F.99FB9310] From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:38 PM To: RDA-

Re: [RDA-L] Question about "conventional collective titles" (6.2.2.10.3)

ify" and "Select" tasks. They really should be variant access points, IMO. Kevin From: Casey A Mullin [mailto:cmul...@stanford.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:24 PM To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access Cc: Kevin M Randall Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Questi

Re: [RDA-L] Question about "conventional collective titles" (6.2.2.10.3)

; I don't understand why "new collections published for the first time probably wouldn't." Could you elaborate? Kevin Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] avant-titres

I think that is more commonly called "half-title". The definitions in 2.3.4.1 are basically just ported over from the glossary definition in AACR2. Could probably use an update... Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.ed

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and the Title Proper

exhibition catalog given an AAP with just "Africa" which will then by necessity be qualified by a place, or a date, or a publisher, or the phrase "Exhibition catalog" or whatever--instead of just using simple title proper "Africa, the art of a continent"... Kevin M

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

or multiple 300 fields depends on how a system is able to handle the data. Ideally, if you want ISBD output, the way a system would process a recording containing mulitple 300 fields would be to just put them all into one Area 5 statement, inserting a plus sign before each of the subsequent

Re: [RDA-L] Coding subsequent creators in MARC 21 Bibliographic

ity record is essentially "name portion of the authorized access point for a work or expression". Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes

Re: [RDA-L] Coding subsequent creators in MARC 21 Bibliographic

gy, the meaning of MARC 100/110/111 in a bibliographic record or name/title authority record is essentially "name portion of the authorized access point for a work or expression". Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mai

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

Beautifully put, Ben! Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

ssociation Source of information reads: sponsored by the Library Association (founded 1877) The implication here is that the entire statement as found after "Source of information reads:" would be included in the statement of responsibility element, unless it is abridged per the Optiona

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

uch better job of conveying the essence of what's on the source of information, using punctuation marks to take over the function that typography and/or layout probably played. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k..

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

are, of course, looking forward to the time that we will be using the method described in 17.4.2.1; but that day will have to wait for a while (and depends on the developments in the Bibframe endeavor). Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

format that's more RDA-friendly, the 240 field is essential in a case like this. If your clients have "distaste" for the 240 field, I question how well they understand or care how bibliographic data works. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087

Not much there that fits this! The closest seem to be "host institution", "Issuing body", and "sponsoring body", but none of them is really appropriate. I would just omit subfield $e, since it is not a required element. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloge

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

00 could be debated. 246 is not really essential for access, since the correct form of the title will be in the 240. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensibl

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

ACR2 let's just keep consistent in being wrong on that point. We'll start doing it right in RDA." Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

I think most of us were ignorant about metric symbols before RDA came along. I certainly was. As was AACR2 itself! Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

pecific things in #2 above? Got me! I haven't researched the JSC documents on these things. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu<mailto:k...@northwestern.edu> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 19

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

A.3.2.3 "Each area of the description other than the first is preceded by a point, space, dash, space (. --), unless that area is clearly separated from the preceding area by paragraphing, in which case the point, space, dash, space may be replaced by a point (.) give

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator between two aggregate works

ith the note in $i and the title in $a. The 730 for access by the magazine title would not need to have any relationship designator. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple identities named on same manifestation

a: That purpose is NOT something that's new in RDA, by any means! It's been part of our tradition for a very long, long time. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

AACR and related standards)) then I think we really should all be thinking of the authorized access point as being core in our implementation for the time being. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

lied in practice. It's what we're doing when we give the authorized access point, the recording method described in 17.4.2.2. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Best Practices for Music Cataloging using RDA and MARC21 -- Draft open for comment (fwd) (fwd)

RDA has no provision for using "c" or "p". It's either the symbol, or the word "copyright" or "phonogram". Using "c" or "p" with the date is a pre-RDA convention. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

ames omitted before and after Carl Bildt. Either way, I'm not sure I like the look of it. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] 2 manifestations on one bibliographic record

identifiers of the specific instances of those Group 1 entities. The data will be able to be collected into records if that's how a system needs it to operate. Hope this helps. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

Re: [RDA-L] When will RDA truly arrive? Will it truly arrive?

ext seems to be under constant revision. As was AACR2, which was revised continually from 1982 through 2005. RDA was never conceived to be a static work. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!

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