Colin Piggot wrote:
Nope ... although it could have been filtered by the ISP.
Ah, it came into my SAM mailbox, but as a direct e-mail (just with a
bunch of sam-users stuff).
Johnna - you need to virus check your system ASAP! There's a good
chance it's also sent it to many people from your
- Original Message -
From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: Games
yup - infact with MAME you can play the original arcade game! crazy!
This whole argument was ALMOST relevant about five years ago when things
Tell you what Colin - if we dont here anything from Gavin before the end of
next week you take the relevent titles over!
Well, im still in contact with Gavin ... so will wait and see for a while yet,
as I do wish to see other people out there doing stuff for the Sam, and Gavin's
Sam
- Original Message -
From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Alert!
Tell you what Colin - if we dont here anything from Gavin before the end
of
next week you take the relevent titles over!
Well,
Fred Bloggs wrote:
I now have Lemmings up and running. It would help if I
unzipped it first!! Never mindit sure is a great game.
That's still strange, as it should still work fine zipped or gzipped,
using the ZLIB.DLL from the original SimCoupé download.
As for Defender, is it just me,
Defender seems to be OK now, not that I've changed anything. Maybe I had
about 20 other windows in the background slowing things down? I can't
remember now...
As for Lemmings, well, that's one of the great mysteries of life...but
thanks anyway Simon.
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're missing the point David - and one other question, how much are these
games going to cost when they eventually become available? Surely not the
original price!
From: David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Games
Date: Thu, 7 Mar
Here here. It's a good job they don't own SIM Coupe - they'd probably try
and sell that!!
When oh when is anyone going to realise we can't be bothered uprooting our
attic just to play these games again? And we definitely can't be bothered
actually PAYING for them!
It's actually rather sad
people are interedted in sams!, did you see the prices sams on ebay were
fetching when goodsam was released.
good luck to colin charging for some software and hardware, but i'd like to
know how much money is being made from the sale of the titles he's
restricting (other than the stuff still being
If you do take the relevant titles over, are you going to charge?
From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Virus Alert!
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:05:33 -
Tell you what Colin - if we dont here anything from Gavin before the
This is why I use hotmail chaps, it deals with viruses a whole lot better
than Outlook Express.
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Virus Alert!
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:50:47 -
H... Did everyone else just get the
good luck to colin charging for some software and hardware, but i'd like to
know how much money is being made from the sale of the titles he's
restricting (other than the stuff still being sold on the website)
Erm... Titles he's restricting ?
I sell only my own software and hardware, I am NOT
If you do take the relevant titles over, are you going to charge?
Well at the moment I do only deal with my own software and hardware.
I want to see Gavin continue his plans of the file library part of Sam
Community. The original plans last year for Gavin was to sell the games for a
couple of
Whilst we're on the subject of downloading software - can anyone recommend
any decent downloads from the free FTP sites? I'm sure there is a lot of
good stuff hidden away in there on magazines, but there are so many to look
at!
I'm mainly interested in PD software - if anyone could
i know that colin, but are you selling very much of the older stuff?, i can
appreciate that you own the copyright for your hard work, but if you're not
selling anything then why stop people using it for free, as no one was going
to buy it anyway :-),
i get annoyed with this its mine so no one else
What titles are we talking about here? I've not got a clue who owns
copyright for what!
From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Virus Alert!
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:14:24 -
If you do take the relevant titles over, are
Aha! That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at Dean. But I'm afraid Colin is
getting the brunt of all this when it's not actually his fault. The
mysterious Gavin is the man these points should be made to. The website
www.samcommunity.org is still down. By all accounts, we'll be waiting months
for
Fred Bloggs wrote:
I'm sure there is a lot of good stuff hidden away in there
on magazines, but there are so many to look at!
Dan Dooré's web pages include a full index of everything on the 82
available Fred issues, which should make things a bit easier. See:
Lets turn this into a real world situation.
Lets say i need my house painted and your a painter, would you come and do
that work for free? Im not going to pay you to do it, but you can do it, so
hence according to you you should come do it for free.
Its the same since Colin can program a game
- Original Message -
From: Fred Bloggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
why would anyone want to charge for software relating to a
dead computer?
I spend a lot of time and money doing new stuff for the Sam (probably far too
much in both counts) and all this bickering out there does no good at all.
well, in this case, the house has allready been painted, the software is out
there, people are using it for free anyway, and theres plenty of places
other than the official sam FTP site,
so why not embrace that not bitch about it, chances are EVERYONE on the
group has sam related software that
Colin, your prices are reasonable, i congratulate you for doing your work on
the sam, i know just how difficult it is to make any money from stuff like
this nowadays, I'd certainly purchase stuff from you without a second
thought if i wasnt selling my sam next month
Dean
-Original
Colin Piggot wrote:
Well at the moment I do only deal with my own software and hardware.
Hats off to you for continuing such a great service - I'm sure nobody is
expecting you to give up any of your titles. I'm gonna need a Quazar
Surround unit at some point in the not-too-distant future...
Thanks Simon, that's just what I need.
By the way, when using SIM Coupe, does it have a tendency to colour black
text in several different shades? If I have another window open, I notice
that the colour scheme alters. Just wondered...
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
By the way, when using SIM Coupe, does it have a tendency to
colour black text in several different shades? If I have
another window open, I notice that the colour scheme alters.
By 'another window' do you mean a second instance of SimCoupé? If so,
then it's probably
I think we are talking at cross purposes then. I have paid for many bits of
software and hardware from Colin. I think his prices are reasonable and
hope he keeps up the good work. If the person has the copyright and just
wont sell the product to people who want it then thats a different matter.
I think you've misunderstood me slightly Colin.
Why would anyone want to charge for software relating to a dead computer
should have read Why would anyone want to charge for dead software relating
to a dead computer.
What I'm getting at is not the new software which you've produced (and I
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:02:01 + Fred Bloggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's actually rather sad that the SAM scene has ended up like this.
Somewhere in the attic is a playable demo for F16 Combat Pilot.
Pleeease. Can you 'download' it from the attick and upload a
dsk-image to nvg? :)
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:02:01 + Fred Bloggs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's actually rather sad that the
SAM scene has ended up like this. Somewhere in the attic is a
playable demo for F16 Combat Pilot.
Pleeease. Can you 'download' it from the attick and upload a
dsk-image to nvg? :)
The one I'm referring to was on a Crash cover tape. Whether the same demo
also appeared on a YS cover tape, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.
From: Matthew J Craven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: RE: Games
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002
Is this demo owned by Persona now? And if it is - presuming I can find the
thing, could I legally upload it?
From: Frode Tennebø [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: RE: Games
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:04:06 +0100 (MET)
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:29:13 + Fred Bloggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this demo owned by Persona now?
AFAIK. No.
And if it is - presuming I can find the
thing, could I legally upload it?
Unless somebody object violently, please do. :)
-Frode
Is this demo owned by Persona now?
Nope, the demo wasn't owned by Persona. I can't remember which company was
working on the F16 game.
Colin
Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam
For all the recent Quazar news, see the new look website:
If memory serves me correctly, I think it was produced by Digital
Integration/Revelation.
But what exactly does Persona own?
From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Games
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:38:17 -
Is this demo
I have done a bit of research and have found a link to Crash magazine issue
92 where it is possible to download the contents of the cover tape with demo
on!
I have downloaded this and the F16 Combat Pilot demo is in TZX format. Is
there any way of converting this into a file extention
I have done a bit of research and have found a link to Crash magazine issue
92 where it is possible to download the contents of the cover tape with demo
on!
The link is...
http://www.sunderland.ac.uk/~as0aba/Magazines/Crash/crash1991.html
I have downloaded this and the F16 Combat Pilot demo
Nope, the demo wasn't owned by Persona. I can't remember which company
was working on the F16 game.
Was it Digital Integration?
Fred Bloggs wrote:
I have downloaded this and the F16 Combat Pilot demo is in
TZX format. Is there any way of converting this into a file
extention suitable for SIM Coupe?
SimCoupé doesn't have any tape support at present - it's also very low
on the to-do list too, considering how little tape
I have downloaded this and the F16 Combat Pilot demo is in TZX format.
The spec for TZX is at http://www.void.jump.org/TZXformat.html which makes
plenty of mention of the Sam tape format.
It would be a worthy addition to SimCoupe, but this is the first time I
have ever *ever* seen a Sam file
It would be worth doing - a damn fine demo if memory serves me right. I'd be
happy to help if I could, but this seems WAAYYY too technical
for a gamer like myself.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: F16 Combat Pilot
I know - once we've cracked how to get it up and running why don't we sell
it Persona for charity purposes
Sarcasm most definitely intended.
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: RE: F16 Combat Pilot download
Date: Fri, 8
I know - once we've cracked how to get it up and running why don't we sell
it Persona for charity purposes
Sarcasm most definitely intended.
The whole idea of selling the Persona titles for a few quid (well, the ones that
David L holds the copyright and distribution rights to) was going
On Friday 08 Mar 2002 3:48 pm, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Sarcasm most definitely intended.
You're asking people to do you favours, so perhaps you should be a bit more
polite about it. No offense, but you obviously have no idea what the issues
are, or ever were.
Most of my own programs are available
I do not mean to cause offense here - that is not and has never been my
intention.
I for one, and there are others on this list who agree with me, feel that it
is crazy not to be able to download titles like we can for just about every
other format.
What I don't know (after asking the
I think you've misunderstood me Andrew - so let me spell it out.
I am a gamer. I have been playing games for roughly 20 years, across many
different formats. It's a hobby, something I love. I have many great
memories of games from the past. Which is why I find the whole emulation
scene
I don't disagree with you selling your own software Colin neither, if you
recall. None of us can work for nothing.
The only part I questioned was your statement: why would anyone want to charge
for software relating to a dead computer? and I gave my reasons. You did reply
understanding my
On Friday 08 Mar 2002 5:02 pm, you wrote:
All I was getting at was the idea of selling something which belonged to
someone else to a company that I believe is doing the same thing! It was
meant to be a light hearted poke at the irony of such a thingbut
obviously this has been miscontrued.
Colin Piggott (who seems to think I've got
something against him for selling software) and others it's still alive.
Just the one 't' in Piggot :)
Colin
Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam
For all the recent Quazar news, see the new look website:
Aha! So you do read my posts!!! :)
From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: F16 Combat Pilot download
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:40:50 -
Colin Piggott (who seems to think I've got
something against him for selling
Thanks for answering the question anyway. It seems Mr Ledbury has all the
answers, so I shall wait and see.
From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: F16 Combat Pilot download
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:37:02 -
I don't
I wonder if anyone can help. When the sam died, I was 95% through a game to
be released. It was a conversion of Puzznic. A few years later someone
phoned me up to ask if I still had the code / graphics, as they were trying
to get old sam games that were being developed finished. I sent the
On Friday 08 Mar 2002 5:32 pm, you wrote:
Your sarcasm is directed at the copyright holders of old games. You're
asking them to abandon their rights and allow you to copy the game for
free. Is this not a favour? What exactly do they owe you?
Did you read my last post in response to sarcasm?!!
On Friday 08 Mar 2002 6:23 pm, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Did you read my last post in response to sarcasm?!! It most definitely was
NOT directed at the copyright holders of old games.
Then who else *was* it directed at?
I know - once we've cracked how to get it up and running why don't we sell
it
I think the page at the following link is an interesting discussion of
today's hot-topic, the retrogaming/copyrights/abandon-ware issue :-
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/permits/
Andrew
--
--- Andrew Collier
http://mnemotech.ucam.org/ ---
Fred Bloggs wrote:
It would be worth doing - a damn fine demo if memory serves
me right. I'd be happy to help if I could, but this seems
WAAYYY too technical for a gamer like myself.
Was a bit of a bugger to convert too - took almost an hour!
I had to patch the Speccy ROM to
Give this man a knighthood I say!
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: RE: F16 Combat Pilot download
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:56:56 -
Fred Bloggs wrote:
It would be worth doing - a damn fine demo if memory serves
me right.
I wrote:
I've created a DSK image from it, which I've just uploaded
to /incoming on NVG. It's now up to Frode to move
it somewhere you can all get at it...
If you can't wait, it's temporarily available as:
http://www.simcoupe.org/F16demo.zip
Or if you just want to see what it looks like,
I couldn't wait! Thanks again Simon. I'm just trying to remember the
controls now!!! What I have noticed is that if you press the SPACE bar it
crashes - and I can't remember if this a bug from the original demo or not.
So avoid the space bar!!!
Do you think future versions of Sim Coupe will
On Friday 08 Mar 2002 6:36 pm, Andrew Collier wrote:
Did you read my last post in response to sarcasm?!! It most definitely
was
NOT directed at the copyright holders of old games.
Then who else *was* it directed at?
IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IRONY OF SUCH A SITUATION, I'M NOT GOING TO
Fred Bloggs wrote:
What I have noticed is that if you press the SPACE bar it
crashes - and I can't remember if this a bug from the
original demo or not. So avoid the space bar!!!
Heh, so it does! I wonder if that was meant to return to BASIC or
something, but the system area has been
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 10:10 pm, Fred Bloggs wrote:
SO WHY DOES CHRIS WHITE DO THIS WITH PRINCE OF PERSIA THEN?
Because he wrote it, and he wants to.
It's his decision to make, not yours.
It's not your place to use his decision to put pressure onto anybody
else.
WELL DO YOU EVER
I would either pay up, or I would not use it. Probably the latter,
but I wouldn't go around mailing lists complaining about how stupid
they were for excercising their legal rights.
SO ON NOTE THINK ON HOW NICE IT IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY UP!
But he would take the latter option!
Ah well, not bad for a day's work.
Now if there was a way of stopping the time out on the demo, it would be
perfect. It's just a pity the original was never finished - does anyone know
why it was scrapped?
From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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