On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com
wrote:
I LOVED God of Small Things. It was magically written and beautifully
crafted. As a piece of fiction, it is quite wonderful.
Re: what Roy did post her Booker-fame is the object of much of this
discussion, it
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Nikhil Mehra nikhil.mehra...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com
wrote:
I LOVED God of Small Things. It was magically written and beautifully
crafted. As a piece of fiction, it is quite wonderful.
I
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:01 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
sur...@hserus.net wrote:
Salil Tripathi [23/03/10 09:55 +]:
Many years ago, as I faced the keyboard, I remembered that distant
afternoon when a journalist near Ayemenem carefully destroyed
Arundhati Roy's plagiarism
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Salil Tripathi sali...@googlemail.com wrote:
Congratulations, an excellent article
http://www.livemint.com/2010/03/31210209/Maostan-of-Arundhati-Roy.html?h=D
Thanks, Suresh I'm hoping Shoba doesn't unfriend me on Facebook now.
I have no opinion on the
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From: Nikhil Mehra nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com
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On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
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Why were you in court on that day? Just curious. Are you a lawyer?
Yes, Nikhil is a fine Supreme Court lawyer, and a brilliant mind.
Salil
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Salil Tripathi sali...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com
wrote:
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Why were you in court on that day? Just curious. Are you a lawyer?
Yes, Nikhil is a fine Supreme
-- and don't get me started on her politics.
Please, Amit, start :-)
The first part is factually correct. The second part is, frankly,
embarrassing. I don't hold any personal grouses against Ms. Roy, and I
admire any one with the strength of character to engage in a
lengthy dissent
against the State. But I cannot tolerate someone who seems to do it
without
a
Have a great trip, Shoba. I'll make sure that I have a response ready for
you.
Nikhil Mehra
Advocate, Supreme Court of India
Tel: (+91) 9810776904
Res: C-I/10 AIIMS Campus
Ansari Nagar
New Delhi - 110029.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.comwrote:
The first
Salil Tripathi [23/03/10 09:55 +]:
Many years ago, as I faced the keyboard, I remembered that distant
afternoon when a journalist near Ayemenem carefully destroyed
Arundhati Roy's plagiarism
Congratulations, an excellent article
I am with Charles. I'm only piping up to register my vote - not interested
in the debate.
Sent from my mobile device, apologies for terseness, spelling and style.
On Mar 24, 2010 9:45 PM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang
Modi does arouse a lot of ire among some of us. Perhaps not on the list. To be
clear, I did think Charles had a genuine question and I didn't feel he was
singling me out. But as Modi is the poster-boy of the 'right' and Roy is
becoming the poster-girl of the 'left', comparisons become
Erm. I'm a Gujju, not a TamBram. more seriously, there are several
problems with her writing. Why don't I love thee? Let me count the
ways...
The TamBrahm analogy was because I know so many men who hate Roy and they
always describe their dislike of her with this dispassionate, rational,
Shoba, I had deliberately mis-stated the quote :-)
Salil
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From: Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:02:20
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
Erm
Mahesh Murthy [24/03/10 11:34 +0530]:
What's common to the lot that despise her is that they're all intellectuals
(or literary critics) - and to me it seems they think she hasn't paid her
dues in the Kanu Sanyal or Potti Sreeramulu sort of way to claim the
intellectual high ground that she does
Mahesh,
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a Tam-Brahm and I've seen this contempt-for-Arundhati thing among men
AND women, and not just of the Tam-Brahm persuasion either.
What's common to the lot that despise her is that they're all
Sorry Shoba, the first response was from my bed, on a blackberry. Now:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
Salil, you are clearly very well-read and I don't mean that in a snarky
way-- my Dad's an English prof. so I have a great deal of respect for
On 24-Mar-10, at 11:02 AM, Shoba Narayan wrote:
The TamBrahm analogy was because I know so many men who hate Roy and
they always describe their dislike of her with this dispassionate,
rational, logical, arguing-equations-in-IIT tone that bugs the shit
out of me. As if it was self-evident
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote:
replace it with righteous mob anger is well documented. I'm willing to take
Roy's good intentions at face value, but I don't think it's too much to ask
that a de facto cultural ambassador for our country rise above
On 24-Mar-10, at 1:50 PM, Charles Haynes wrote:
[snip]
Why? Why should she be expected to live to your expectations?
I don't expect her to; she's free to do as she pleases. And I am free
to feel whatever I like about it.
-Taj.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote:
On 24-Mar-10, at 1:50 PM, Charles Haynes wrote:
[snip]
Why? Why should she be expected to live to your expectations?
I don't expect her to; she's free to do as she pleases. And I am free to
feel whatever I like
Charles Haynes [24/03/10 19:49 +1100]:
I'm bemused by how much ill will is directed towards someone who, from
my point of view, is nothing more than an outspoken writer pandering
to popular prejudices. Is her brand of demagoguery appealing to a
demographic that is uncomfortably close to home in
On 24-Mar-10, at 2:19 PM, Charles Haynes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang
sir...@sirtaj.net wrote:
On 24-Mar-10, at 1:50 PM, Charles Haynes wrote:
[snip]
Why? Why should she be expected to live to your expectations?
I don't expect her to; she's free to do as she
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote:
Yes. I haven't had a chance to read any of Modi's writing, but as an amoral
politician he is par for the course - certainly not admired, but _not
surprising_ either. If this thread was named For the Modi haters out
On 24-Mar-10, at 3:24 PM, Salil Tripathi wrote:
[snip]
Agree with much of what you've said.
Oh but that's boring! Which bits DIDN'T you agree with? :)
Chomsky is certainly hugely guilty of that - to the extent of
denying that Srebrenica was a problem at all).
Chomsky is a good example.
Incidentally,
On 24-Mar-10, at 11:02 AM, Shoba Narayan wrote:
There are enough dispassionate, logical, objective, on-the-one-hand
type writers.
Do you really believe that? I don't see it.
I don't consider myself a spiritual person. My only shred of what can
be considered faith lies in
On Wednesday 24 Mar 2010 2:19:04 pm Charles Haynes wrote:
I'm bemused by how much ill will is directed towards someone who, from
my point of view, is nothing more than an outspoken writer pandering
to popular prejudices. Is her brand of demagoguery appealing to a
demographic that is
On 24-Mar-10, at 9:54 PM, ss wrote:
Smearing someone on the list with an insinuation that brings in Modi
I thought Charles asked a fair question and I don't really see this
implication.
-Taj.
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote:
On 24-Mar-10, at 9:54 PM, ss wrote:
Smearing someone on the list with an insinuation that brings in Modi
I thought Charles asked a fair question and I don't really see this
implication.
Indeed, I'm not accusing
--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Indrajit Gupta bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
From: Indrajit Gupta bonoba...@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 11:20
--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh
Top-posting! Give her the Goblin treatment (batter and beat, yammer and
bleat, if I remember aright)
As far as La Ray is concerned, can we all please adopt the Rhett Butler
attitude? And move on?
Many years ago, as I faced the keyboard, I remembered that distant
afternoon when a journalist near Ayemenem carefully destroyed
Arundhati Roy's plagiarism
OK, back in 2001, I read this piece in the southern Indian Express,
which effectively demolishes Ms Roy's claims of originality. I found
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
sur...@hserus.netwrote:
its betty smith's a tree grows in brooklyn if any of you can find the
book + has a spare copy.
Ah. Let me see if the St.Louis Public Library has a copy...thank you!
Deepa.
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
I could go point by point and refute everything the Indian Express article
said. We all know of older Indian aunties with necks that have threads of
talcum powder. I think GOST was more an autobiography than
At 2010-03-23 16:25:18 +, sali...@googlemail.com wrote:
… and her ignoring the more serious criticism from Gail Omvedt.
Thanks, I hadn't read Gail Omvedt's letter and response to some of
Arundhati Roy's writings on dams. I found them quite interesting.
She went to jail for one night,
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Abhijit Menon-Sen a...@toroid.org wrote:
At 2010-03-23 16:25:18 +, sali...@googlemail.com wrote:
… and her ignoring the more serious criticism from Gail Omvedt.
Thanks, I hadn't read Gail Omvedt's letter and response to some of
Arundhati Roy's writings on
At 2010-03-23 17:31:36 +, sali...@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, I recall she was given one-month's prison or fine; she decided to
go to prison, then paid fine after a day in jail. If that's wrong, I
stand corrected.
Oh, no, that's definitely not what happened.
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2010 9:45:17 pm Shoba Narayan wrote:
Why does she evoke so much ire?
A Roy has made more enemies than I could have hoped for. I for one am greatly
pleased at the ire she evokes. This has nothing (IMHO) to do with male
inferiority TamBram or non TamBram, which is is a You
Top-posting, just to say that I find Shiv's summary the best.
On 24 March 2010 07:15, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2010 9:45:17 pm Shoba Narayan wrote:
Why does she evoke so much ire?
A Roy has made more enemies than I could have hoped for. I for one am
greatly
Erm. I'm a Gujju, not a TamBram. more seriously, there are several
problems with her writing. Why don't I love thee? Let me count the
ways...
Salil, you are clearly very well-read and I don't mean that in a
snarky way-- my Dad's an English prof. so I have a great deal of
respect for
-
From: Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:02:20
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
Erm. I'm a Gujju, not a TamBram. more seriously, there are several
problems with her writing. Why don't I love thee? Let me count
i couldn't agree more, Shobha - extremism works for A. Roy. connecting the
farthest dots is the proper provenance of a writer - showing us essences in
apparently disparate situations.
Shoba Narayan wrote, [on 3/24/2010 11:02 AM]:
The TamBrahm analogy was because I know so many men who hate Roy and
they always describe their dislike of her with this dispassionate,
rational, logical, arguing-equations-in-IIT tone that bugs the shit out
of me. As if it was self-evident that
Absolutely classic, thanks to Atanu Dey for pointing me (and the rest of
india-gii) to it.
http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6487IBLOCK_ID=35
Great Literary Frauds of Our Time
By John Dolan
Too bad it compares the dog of small minded mallus to to kill a mockingbird -
which was
--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net
Subject: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 6:44
Absolutely classic, thanks to Atanu
Dey for pointing
Indrajit Gupta [23/03/10 09:43 +0530]:
End of quote, end of breathless rush to immortalise essay.
Suresh, you really like this? Honestly? I need to hear you say that once again.
i would say that a lot of it - such as the copy of to kill a mockingbird -
is true enough
yes it is more vicious
Is anyone else seeing the giveaway in bold at the very top of the page:
Brought to you by Enron?
--
Pavithra Sankaran
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Indrajit Gupta bonoba...@yahoo.co.inwrote:
Absolutely classic?
Suresh, you git, what's wrong with you? A series of vicious remarks, no
before and after, no backing for the statements made, and that's absolutely
classic?
Suresh, you really like this?
--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 9:52
Indrajit Gupta [23/03/10 09:43
+0530]:
End
--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Pavithra Sankaran forpavit...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Pavithra Sankaran forpavit...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 9:59
Is anyone else seeing the giveaway in
bold
Arundhati Roy is an over-hyped writer and an unbalanced demagogue (my
opinion)
*To Kill a Mockingbird* is a book I like very much.
The article Suresh sent is a coarse version of A Roy's polemics.
Suresh is free to like it. We are free to think it is poisonous trash that
has little credibility.
--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 10:07
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Indrajit Gupta bonoba
having seen To kill a mockingbird 32 times (kept the netflix dvd for 3
months) i have to agree: atticus finch was an amazing character played with
great conviction by gregory peck. I really disliked the reviewer's style.
also if she Fucked her way she did fuck men didn't she-how do we know they
Deepa Mohan [23/03/10 10:07 +0530]:
To Kill A Mockingbird is permeated throughout by two rare
characteristics: good writing, and goodness. Apparently Gregory Peck was, in
real life, a person like Atticus Finch; it's the goodness of his character,
and the innocence of the narrator, and the
Netflix complained that i wasn't letting anybody else see it:-) definitely
will read it.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote:
having seen To kill a mockingbird 32 times (kept the
Deepa Mohan [23/03/10 10:47 +0530]:
It's also wonderful to see children depicted as children and not as
mini-adults. R K Narayan and Bill Watterson have this gift, too.
my favorite in that genre is not even to kill a mockingbird
its betty smith's a tree grows in brooklyn if any of you can
)
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From: sur...@hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
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--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com
Subject: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 11:04
I LOVED God of Small Things. It
was magically written
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shoba Narayan narayan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
So, all you Arundhati Roy haters can go stuff yourselves
How's that for a spirited response? :)
I personally disagree, but De Gustibus and so forth.
Meanwhile, I would greatly appreciate it if you would trim
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