Greetings!
Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted
before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that
the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an
unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal
Great idea Steve, however:
We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For
instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However,
some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem
is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in
Many people do not have the luxury to engage the government in such pursuits
as breaking an established law, then spending years of time and resources
fighting. It would jeopardize their work in the world, and most likely lead
to the discrediting of even non-related works, many of which have
That's a great idea to use aloe vera, and I agree that many different
carriers can be used.
And my apologies about Robert Becker. I believe I'm referring to the other
Becker ( Bob Becker? ). I should have left personalities out of it, and
simply made the point that the data I study closely is
Hello,
I am new to CS and this list. I got a prett serious
burn, and a book I have suggested applying CS
topically. I bought some at the local health food
store (not knowing anything about it), and what I got
is 1100 ppm (manufactured by Innovative Natural
Products). I tried applying this to
Thanx M.
James Osbourne Holmes
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Generally it should increase the conductance. This should have no
Hi Stephen,
Yes, that is the issue; will the reagents either pull the atoms
one-at-a-time off the clump, or will it dissolve the clump.
Hach tech tried digestion with Ag sol, and the results were not reliable;
without digesting, the process worked accurately and consistently. But I
still
Dear List:
Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a wide range of
medical problems, but can anyone provide documented successes under
controlled conditions?
Surely some renegade university professor somewhere has, on occasion, been
curious enough about CS to have performed
Please, Anyone,
If you have ANY information about using CS intravenously to combat a serious
case
of Pneumonia, please e-mail me ASAP direct to:
tb...@cyberwar.com
I have a niece in hospital at present who is going through a bone marrow
transplant. She has contracted pneumonia and can't get
Colloidal Silver fall under what is called a grandfather clause, in other words
it is pre 1935, unless someone is making outrages claims the FDA will for the
most part leave you alone.
Blessing
Ted
rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
Dear List:
Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a
Hi Roger,
1. Contact BYU in Utah.
2. Search for Argentum Research, and there contact Dr. Bart A. Flick.
There is much going on, quietly. It really is a hot potato for the
FDA-protected chemical cartels. Bruce Marx says he suspects they are
putting it in products but not mentioning that it is
Sorry to seem as though I am working your case k...@czeng,
But I have to call it as I see It, yes.
Electrodes that have points or edges do not display a consistent
current density across their area, hot spots of current appearing at
those points and edges. It is quite obvious that the silver
Ivan,
My Thanks for a great Post.
Arnold
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:46 AM
Subject: CSColour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers.
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### Ah, that clears up a lot of questions and makes sense. There was a
fellow from a water softener company that came by here to test my well
water. He used a process similar to what you describe and compared the
results to a set of color charts.
[I guess I don't need mineral supplements :-)]
Ted:
I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor
claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling?
Roger
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### Do you check for the T.E. after you place the CS in a storage
container, let the batch sit for several hours or decant into a clear
container? It can be hard to find unless the CS particles have been
distributed evenly and they sometimes form dense patterns in undisturbed
water that can be
Hi Ivan,
You said:
*** Again, the electrodes must arc to create ozone or H202, this is
acutally closer to Bredig's system than most realise, he arced
submerged DC electrodes, if my source is correct. I know of no HVAC
colloidal silver generator whose electrodes do not contact the water,
at least
### I suspect this might be the case in the new flu spray as seen on TV.
KD'C
At 11:26 PM 4/6/00 -0600, you wrote:
Hi Roger,
1. Contact BYU in Utah.
2. Search for Argentum Research, and there contact Dr. Bart A. Flick.
There is much going on, quietly. It really is a hot potato for the
##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening
There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon drum,
sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not use
and electrical process but something called a Precipitate method. The
person i spoke to was
Dear Chad, Try Bulk MSM.com on the net. Regards, herb
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Folks,
A lady called me awhile ago and asked if CS would help
with eczema. She had eczema on her feet so bad she
could not walk without them bleeding. Used a cane to
make it to the bathroom. I didn't really think CS was
the answer (suspected essential fatty acids and
vitamin B would be more
rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
Dear List:
Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a wide range of
medical problems, but can anyone provide documented successes under
controlled conditions?
Surely some renegade university professor somewhere has, on occasion, been
curious enough
James,
I have spoken with the Hach people way back, and we do have the sodium
thiosulfate pillows at silver reagents here. But we do all our
concentration analysis on an AA. Even so, I recall a conversation to the
effect that you must first digest every sample for accuracy. But that has
been
bill...@cheerful.com wrote:
Hi Ivan,
The Motherlode uses HVAC and the cathode is immersed but the anode is
suspended approx 3/16ths of an inch above the water and arcs to the water.
It makes 1 gal of approx 8ppm in 2 hrs. It uses 15,000v.
This is contradictory. If the system is AC then
Roger,
Very interesting experience with your dog's reaction to CS. My experience
in this regard is exactly the opposite. I am a breeder of show Maltese and
one problem we have with these white dogs is facial stain due to tearing,
which is often the result of a low grade infection in the tear
My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against
it,
this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I
would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any
government.
Blessings
Ted
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Terry,
That sounds great.
Can you provide a little bit more info.
on your CS pls.
i.e.:- What is the ppm reading pls ?
- Does your CS stay clear or if it turns
yellow after a few days pls?
I feel that many readers, would be interested
in the details.
Thanks.
Gaston
Thaks very much Marshall. I'm sure a combined effort from the CS list would
yield several times more published CS results. Perhaps we could request each
list subscriber to contribute at least one published positive or negatve
(which would be at least as interesting) CS report.
Roger Altman
Hi Marshall,
Not being very tech adept I was trying, not well, to say that one
conductor, which is a plate approx 1x2, is auspended in the water. The
other conductor is a wedge shaped piece of silver with the pointed end
suspended approx. 3/16 above the water and arcing down to it. There is a
To people asking questions about CS color
herewith a little info. about the color of CS that
I have made:
I have produced a batch (16 ounces) on April 2, with a TDS-1
reading of 12 (this reading is a reference only) after production.
I stored approx. 3/4 of the CS quantity into a brown (dark
>
>Colloid chemistry is a complex field and only those involved know much
>about it. It is not surprising that many chemists no little of colloid
>properties. Indeed not many chemists know much about electrolysis. To
>make matters worse, metallic sols are an obscure subset of colloid
>science.
In a message dated 00-04-07 10:56:21 EDT, you write:
Roger,
Very interesting experience with your dog's reaction to CS. My experience
in this regard is exactly the opposite. I am a breeder of show Maltese and
one problem we have with these white dogs is facial stain due to tearing,
which
Then it appears that they are producing a colloid by sputtering and/or
evaporation, rather than electrolysis. In that case all bets are off as far as
what will be produced and so forth, since all our analysis has been strictly for
electrolysis production.
Marshall
bill...@cheerful.com wrote:
Jason R. Eaton writes:
In my opinion, what we need is data. We need to do a study, of say, 50
people with condition X, using the same CS.
Dear James R.
I for one would be interested to participate in a study that concerns people
with
'noises and sounds in ears'.
The last time I went over to
I have found that soaking in hydrogen peroxide solution makes life a little
difficult on any of the fungi. But they are very difficult to root out.
Fungi are very resistive to attack and are much different from dealing with
other infections. But one needs to make their environment as
## An odd little experiment.
I got to wondering what would happen if i ran a generator on pure h2o2
hydrogen peroxide. When i submerged used rods into the h2o2 they instantly
started releasing bubbles even before applying power. I dipped a new
silver rod into h2o2 and it didn't
coyote wrote:
On that note, My friend says the light shift effect, at least in atmospheric
application, is due to [UV] light accelerating particles and the color will
always shift downwards into the less energetic as the particle absorbs
whatever frequency of light that accelerated it. I
## That's OK. Maybe we'll get something done.
Maybe we'll both get really confused?
Actually, you said what I said in different words.
KD'C
At 11:04 PM 4/7/00 +1200, you wrote:
Sorry to seem as though I am working your case k...@czeng,
But I have to call it as I see It, yes.
Electrodes
Great idea, Roger. Say, why can't members of the silver list somehow
produce a document explaining the benefits of CS and make it available at no
cost (now there's a radical idea) to all members and others as they wish.
Dumb idea or what? ;-)
Cheers,
Steven Geigle
Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA
coyote wrote:
##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening
There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon drum,
sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not use
and electrical process but something called a Precipitate method. The
person
## Perhaps you could try that again in a clear glass and clear plastic container.
I have had clear CS turn yellow when exposed to open air for a day or so in glass.
We need to recognize our confusion.
KD'C/k...@czen
At 11:12 AM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote:
To people asking questions about
### Is the electrode exposed to open air or is it isolated?
KD'C
The Motherlode uses HVAC and the cathode is immersed but the anode is
suspended approx 3/16ths of an inch above the water and arcs to the water.
It makes 1 gal of approx 8ppm in 2 hrs. It uses 15,000v.
Bill
Sincerely,
Bill
Are you sure you've adjusted it correctly?
I think you'll find that if you lower your anode a tad, that the water will
rise to enclose it in a inverted cone when you apply voltage.
That's how I do HVAC CS.
Chuck
If it doesn't work, use a
Nicole,
I am pretty sure that the eye spots are a natural genetic occurance, I
wouldn't worry about it. Have you tried searching the internet on some of
the ask the vet sites? Good luck.
Janine
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Brooks,
I constructed the nebulizer with your instructions and used it 2 weeks or so
ago, I didn't have a cold but my kids did and I tried it out too. Ever since
then I have had a sore throat that won't go away, any thoughts on what could
have caused this and how to get rid of it? Thanks for any
The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged
in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those
who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice.
Blessings
Ted
Jason R. Eaton wrote:
Greetings!
Sadly,
Where is Surinam, or is it Suriname?
As Bob Lee [thank you ...] explained some months ago:
Surinam (sometimes with an E on the end) is a country on the north coast of
South America. It used to be called Dutch Guiana. It is right beside French
Guiana. It gained its independence in 1975.
Ted Windsor wrote:
The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be
challanged
in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those
who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice.
Blessings
Ted
As they say God givith
In a message dated 00-04-07 12:33:19 EDT, you write:
The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be
challanged
in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those
who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice.
Jason R. Eaton wrote:
Great idea Steve, however:
We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For
instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However,
some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem
is not in the
I would mix it with aloe vera and possibly a little vitamin E. A previous
message on here from someone who researched it found that a combination of
raw honey, 10 ppm colloidal silver, aloe vera and a small amount of vitamin
E was the best treatment they ever found. Check the archives for the
Thanks! I will do just that.
Chad
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Subject: Re: CS* MSM *
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:05:53 -0500
Dear Chad, Try Bulk MSM.com on the net. Regards, herb
Where is Surinam, or is it Suriname?
Marshall
Ignit Bekken wrote:
Jason R. Eaton writes:
In my opinion, what we need is data. We need to do a study, of say, 50
people with condition X, using the same CS.
Dear James R.
I for one would be interested to participate in a study that concerns
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:29:04 -0700, Ted Windsor t...@home.com wrote:
The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be
challanged
in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those
who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of
Su·ri·na·me (sü're-nä'm?) also Su·ri·nam (s?r'?-nam', -näm'). [Formerly Dutch
Gui·a·na (duch ge-an'?, -ä'n?, gi-)] (Abbr. Sur.)
A country of northeast South America on the Atlantic Ocean. First colonized by
the British, the region was ceded to the Dutch in 1667 and became an autonomous
territory
Hello everyone,
This may sound like a weird question but I am hopeing SOMEone out there may be
able to help me! ? :0(
I have a year old, female cat. She is white with blue eyes. Now I have noticed
this since she was a kitten, but now it seems to be worse! On her right eye
between 2-11
Just to tag onto the bit about ear infections. Our grandaughter is
visiting us for a few days. A day after getting here she developed
infections in both ears. We began to put two drops of CS in each ear
about every hour or so. In just a couple of hours, most of the pain was
gone and by the
Only what air is in the top three inches of the one gallon bottle and what
might come in through the two 1/4 inch vent holes in the cap.
Bill
At 11:57 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote:
### Is the electrode exposed to open air or is it isolated?
KD'C
The Motherlode uses HVAC and the cathode is immersed
Hi Chuck,
the directions say that if the water rises up to the silver wedge increase
the distance until a stable arc can be maintained and then after about five
minutes you should have enough silver in the water to lower to 3/16ths and
maintain the arc.
BTW Always have liked your sig line
Bill
Nicole, these spots seem to come and go? They might just be part of her
genetics.
I have ordered one of the pet zappers for my 8 cats and two dogs. I haven't
got it yet but it is suppose to help with parasites and such. I have a 12 year
old cat that I am especially wanting to put it on. (
I was told that I could clean my electrodes with H2O2 hydrogen peroxide but
not to leave them in too long because the peroxide would eat the electrodes
up. I have cleaned them occasionally this way but never left them in to
test out whether it was true or not that the peroxide would eat the
To the list:
It's interesting to note discussion of the formation of oxides and hydroxides
as inevitable. Both are insoluble in water. I recall we were convinced early on
that the white precipitate was hydroxide so we culled and dried it. In light
it was transformed to a dark blue, much like
Be aware that silver hydroxide spontaneously converts to silver oxide in
fairly short time. Silver hydroxide is not stable.
Marshall
Stephen Quinto wrote:
To the list: It's interesting to note discussion of the formation of
oxides and hydroxides as inevitable. Both are insoluble in water. I
1. Use horseradish. Grate the root and eat it raw or make a broth.
-- from New Book on Healing
2. Eat sunflower seeds. Not only good for your eyes they help your sinuses
and
glands.
-- from Heal Your Life with Home Remedies and Herbs
Hope this helps,
Ignit Bekken.
Marshall, and coyote,
there is a product on the market - also produced chemically - one of the
finest colloids we've seen. But it has a pH of 3.1, effectively a mild
acid. However it is free of any ionic attribute, a pure colloid! I
suggested that we bring it up to pH normal and have a look
I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the
rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that
consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates
in that role.
The implication being that the colloidal particles that might
Gee, that sounds like they produced silver nitrate with nitric acid, and the
product has both in it now.
I don't believe it is possible to have a ph of other than 7 without an ionic
attribute is it?
Marshall
Stephen Quinto wrote:
Marshall, and coyote,
there is a product on the market - also
In a message dated 00-04-07 16:47:23 EDT, you write:
I don't believe it is possible to have a ph of other than 7 without an
ionic
attribute is it?
When I went to school electrical neutrality was definitely the in thing.
Maybe it has now been dropped from the curriculum along with so many
Wild ass guess, but the particle size is probably huge in the multi-micron
range, and the Zeta is probably Zero.
Also, I venture that there are a lot of contaminants left over as unreacted
reagents and undesirable products of the reaction which produced the
silver.
Write them and ask:
1.
Stephen Quinto wrote:
I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the
rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that
consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates
in that role.
The implication being that the
Thank you Stephen.
Do you know if the digestion is required with wet spectroscopy?
James Osbourne Holmes
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS
Hi,
No, the spots don't come and go. They just stay and get worse. I don't think
that is has anythings to do with an infection. But I will just try some CS on
her eye and see if it helps then.
I just know that when people get spots on their eyes it means something
depending where it is and
The variations here can be explained with dosage and/or quality---i.e.
particle size, Zeta charge, and concentration. This without taking into
account different sorts of dogsdogs.
There is not enough standardization in the information to draw any
conclusions.
James Osbourne Holmes
The various organisms which cause Tinea Pedis release spores into the
blood. The spores are also very widespread in the environment and are
extremely resistant to germicides.
There is no way know to prevent reinfection. Perhaps Silverlon socks?
For these reasons, I think that any attempt at
My sister just called and has a young friend with two small children that the
doctors have told her she has incurable cancer. Can anyone send me some web
sites that might have information where people with cancer have been helped
with cs? --BA
At 17:14 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote:
Stephen Quinto wrote:
I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the
rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that
consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates
in that role.
Tom:
It has been my experience with CS that success depends on getting it to the
site of the infection. I'm not a medical doctor, others on the list may be
in a much better position to comment intelligently concerning pneumonia, but
it seems to me that inhaling a mechanically produced mist
Unstable CS will be more stable in a brown bottle.
Stable CS will be stable in a clear bottle.
James Osbourne Holmes
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How much dissolved CO2 would it take to produce a pH in the 4-5 range?
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One must understand the concept of buffering to realize that this question
has no simple answer. If you were to add a few grains of salt, it might
take 100 times as much as it would if the water were distilled to a fairly
high purity.
Do we have any chemists here that can clarify this better?
CS might be of some limited value orally or intravenously. However it should
really shine if given via a
nebulizer.
That is my experience.
With prayers that she gets better,
Marshall
Tom Bassett wrote:
Please, Anyone,
If you have ANY information about using CS intravenously to combat a
Nicole,
I have a cat with 4 triangular-shaped wedges on each eye. At about the 2
and 4 o'clock positions and about the 8 and 10 o'clock positions. (on
each eye) The vet said they were tumors and that she would eventually
lose her sight. Now I'm hoping that she's wrong; she's a very sweet and
Roger,
Thanks for the quick reply. I agree with you and am accumulating as
much info as rapidly as I can, as this condition is heading towards terminal at
this time. The patient is
on a respirator at present, so intro of vaporized CS could be possible.
If you think of anything else please drop
Marshall,
Thanks for the quick reply. I agree with you on inhailing CS as the best way to
intro
CS to the infected site. The patient is on a respirator at present, so intro of
vaporized CS may be possible.
If you think of anything else that may help, please shoot me another e-mail.
I'm
Tom:
A mechanically agitated dispersion is the way to go since vaporization
through evaporation would leave the CS behind. Also, a higher than normal CS
concentration might help at this stage. I have 60 ppm on hand that I could
overnight if you think it would help.
Roger
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Does anyone on this list have a simple automatic shut off circuit
devised for a constant current DC CS machine. The circuits I have come
up with are more complex than they need to be and usually the simpler
the circuit the fewer problems you have.
bradki...@email.com
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Oh,Man!
I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you feed your kitty this...
Chuck
To have some as well? or to see if kitty will eat it?
If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where
does baby oil come from?
Your taglines are great !!
Ignit Bekken.
Why do
Try Mr. Tracy from the Rife list Mr. Tracy
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Dave Perkins
PS Don't believe the incurable part - that's wht they told me too - 9 mos.
ago!
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instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However,
some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem
is not in the skin, but the
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Hi Stephen,
All charged particles are by definition ions. At issue, is whether we are
discussing single dissolved atom with its valence available to react with
other ions, or a small clump of atoms which is charged, but is not readily
available to react with other ions. The antimicrobal and
Thanks Marshall.
James Osbourne Holmes
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Stephen Quinto wrote:
I
Perhaps if you contacted Brooks Bradley, he just might be able to get one
of his staff researchers to talk with the lady's doctor.
A nebulizer with a mixture of good CS saturated with MSM atomized in oxygen
has been demonstrated to be very effective with a wide range of acute
bronchial
Oh,Man!
I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you feed your kitty this...
Chuck
If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where does
baby oil come from?
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:22:03 -0100, Ignit Bekken
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cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
Oh,Man!
I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you feed your kitty this...
Chuck
If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where does
baby oil come from?
I think
Dear Mr. Bassett.
I have just read your posts; I have a
little comment that may be of
value to you in your experimental research. We have evaluated CS, and many
methods of its employment. Only
one was ever rapidly
Please give me you price on 10ppm delivered to Conneaut, OH 44030
TIABill B
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Subject: Re: CS and Pneumonia.
Tom:
A mechanically agitated dispersion is the way
Janine, and all interested list members.
Please be advised this is a circumstance I
can not address professionally, as we do not give medical advice or any form of
medical consultation.
I can, however,
Read the bottom of the message, the instructions are there.
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