t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

GH wrote "In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:<  so many others left on the books ?? It has definitely made it very tough on     the women who are trying to achieve greatness innany events ... So does     anyone know why

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

GH wrote: > Ben Johnson was expunged because he admitted under oath in a court of law that he had been dirty. A few other Canadians went down with him. Far as I know, they're the onlypeople ever to have admitted under oath what they did. > > Sensibly, the IAAF and IOC have not taken to purging pe

t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

All the talk yesterday about relay legs gave rise to the following thought ... If I could put together any foursome in the 4 x 1 and 4 x 4 who would it be ??? Here's what I would consider to be Dream Teams in the relays .. Any better ?? 4x1 1- Jon Drummond 2- Ron Brown 3 - Calvin Smith 4- Bob H

t-and-f: pray for the Ravens

.. cuz if the NY Giants win the Super Bowl, Millrose (just 5 days after the Game) will cease to exist in the eyes of the all-powerful New York media. There are a half-dozen Olympic gold medalists in town? Who cares, we need to write the definitive biography of Jason Sehorn. Unfortunately, even

RE: t-and-f: where are the jumpers (was Top 10 lists?

Conway wrote: .. I am very gung ho on the sport but I too am almost to the point where I believe Kenya will be ahead of us in the not too distant future if something doesn't happen soon ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Where will Kenya "be ahead" of the US, excluding the events they

Re: t-and-f: Olympic champion comes clean

If you do get rid of some of the existing marks, what marks do you use for the world records? Do you go back to the original mark bettered by the current world record? What about all the marks in between the old world record and the current? There's a strong likelihood that those athletes were not

Fwd: t-and-f: Fwd: Travis Landreth

hi thanks for posting info about Travis, here's some more info if u'd like to post it donations can be made to: Travis Eliot Landreth Scholarship Fund, c/o the Institution for Savings, 93 State St., Newburyport, Mass. 01950 the service is saturday morning here in newburyport. thanks agai

t-and-f: Where did I say HATE?

Please cite the spot where I say that I "HATE" the walks or anything, or that I say racewalking is not "MANLY". I don't think it makes a heck of a lot of sense as a sport. It is a fine excercise. I commend anybody who finds anything that inspires passion and devotion in themselves, and pursues

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

>All the talk yesterday about relay legs gave rise to the following thought >... If I could put together any foursome in the 4 x 1 and 4 x 4 who would >it be ??? Here's what I would consider to be Dream Teams in the relays .. >Any better ?? > >4x1 > >1- Jon Drummond >2- Ron Brown >3 - Calvin Sm

t-and-f: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:11:00 -0500

I was sent the following from the Michigan track and field list. It is not meant to stir up drug controversy. I am actually curious about how John Walker is doing. I remember reading something about him being very sick. But I don't remember how long ago I read it, or what he was ill with. Does

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

I'd have to go with: 4x1 1 - Bob Hayes 2 - Maurice Greene 3 - Donovan Bailey 4 - Carl Lewis I just don't see how you could leave Lewis out of this. He was my first pick by a long, long way. About the only question I had was who to run on the curves. If it weren't that Bailey proved he could ru

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Buck wrote: > I'd have to go with: > 4x1 > 1 - Bob Hayes > 2 - Maurice Greene > 3 - Donovan Bailey > 4 - Carl Lewis > > I just don't see how you could leave Lewis out of this. He was my first > pick by a long, long way. About the only question I had was who to run on > the curves. If it wer

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

1Houston McTear 2 Jean Louis Ravelmanatsoa 3 Mel Pender 4 Dr. Delano Merriwether ps- spell check was useless with these names...sorry if I butchered them! ** Mike Fanelli San Francisco Bay Area Real Estate Specialist professional representati

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 2:35:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "mike fanelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << 1Houston McTear 2 Jean Louis Ravelmanatsoa 3 Mel Pender 4 Dr. Delano Merriwether>> Is this one of those "pick which one doesn't belong" quizzes? You've got three dwarves and a d

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Kurt wrote: > > Any better? Sure, Maurice Greene and Carl Lewis are/were certainly faster > than Brown and Drummond, and they are experienced relay men. Assuming you > had a time machine so that everyone was in his prime and that you could > convince 4 big-time stars to actually pass the baton

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Conways dream team looks like this: 4x1 1- Jon Drummond 2- Ron Brown 3 - Calvin Smith 4- Bob Hayes Assuming that no duplicates are allowed, I'd enter this squad in the 4 x 1 1-Mike Marsh 2-Maurice Greene 3-Tommy Smith 4-Carl Lewis Conway's 4 x 4 gets most of the studs in this 4some 4x4 1-

t-and-f: Official word on 2003 WAVA meet status

Confirming my earlier posts, Rex Harvey reports on the WAVA Web site: January 18, 2001: WAVA President Torsten Carlius reports that the rights to conduct the 2003 WAVA World Championship have been withdrawn from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. He states that last March, when some question arose, he

t-and-f: On walking

Netters:     On the subject of the walk as an avent, there is no doubt that it is a very dificult and strenuous discipline when done correctly. The problem now is that the leading walkers are so obviously flouting the rules in most cases that it has become an embarrassment. There is rea

t-and-f: Bridget Cushen: WAVA women's rep for life?

Greetings, all The WAVA Web site informs us that Bridget Cushen of Britain is running again for the office of WAVA women's representative. See posting at: http://www.wava.org/latest%20news/Bridget%20Cushen%20Announcement.htm Given that Cushen has apparently done nothing on behalf of Kathy Ja

Re: t-and-f: pray for the Ravens

I disagree on many levels: -First, the Giants play and practice in Jersey and most of the players live in Jersey. -Unlike most cities in the US, New York is a REAL big city, big enough that successes/failures in sports are not the be all, end all of things. Life will go on, with or without parade

t-and-f: Dream team 2 - oops...

Oops! I meant to put Linford Christie as my anchor on 4x1 Dream Team 2, making: 1 - Leroy Burrell 2 - Ato Bolden 3 - Frankie Fredricks 4 - Linford Christie As it was I had Ato carrying leg two and then hustling over to run the anchor too. Heh... ___ Carleton 'B

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 2:54:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <> Keith definitely onto something. Replace Babers with Henry Carr and I'll take the "B" squad too. gh

t-and-f: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:37:57 -0500

SD wrote   "If you do get rid of some of the existing marks, what marks do you use for theworld records? Do you go back to the original mark bettered by the current worldrecord? What about all the marks in between the old world record and thecurrent? There's a strong likelihood that those at

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

> Conways dream team looks like this: > > 4x1 > > 1- Jon Drummond > 2- Ron Brown > 3 - Calvin Smith > 4- Bob Hayes > > > Assuming that no duplicates are allowed, I'd enter this squad in the 4 x 1 > 1-Mike Marsh > 2-Maurice Greene > 3-Tommy Smith > 4-Carl Lewis I would bet on the second team any d

t-and-f: Dream Relay Teams

Men's 4 x 100 Charlie Green Mel Pender Maurice Greene Bob Hayes Men's 4 x 400 Larry James John Smith Lee Evans Michael Johnson Women's 4 x 100 Evelyn Ashford Merlene Ottey Flo Jo Marion Jones Women's 4 x 400 Jaramila Kratochilova Grit Breuer Valerie Brisco Marion Jones

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

How about Chandra Cheesebrough in place of Maicel? And how about Flojo over Marion in a battle of the doublers? <4 x 400 1-Marion Jones 2-Gwen Torrence 3-Maicel Malone 4-Valerie Brisco > Steve S

Re: t-and-f: On walking

First, depending on how you read the rules, the walkers are not necessarily flouting it.  Remember the rule says "No visible (to the human eye) loss of contact".  While there are certainly exceptions, most walkers are NOT losing contact in a way that is visible to the human eye, even trained

t-and-f: Edmonton A Good Place For Sprint PR's ?

Helsinki 0 Los Angeles104 Rome 20 Seoul 85 Tokyo 0 Barcelona 0 Stuttgart 245 Goeteborg 31 Atlanta302 Athens138 Seville21 Sydney

t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 3:55:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: We aren't talking about those marks. We're talking about known dirty marks that have been admitted to. Whatever the fall-out is from thatis irrelevant. Not knowing whether

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Keith wrote: > Conways dream team looks like this: > > 4x1 > > 1- Jon Drummond > 2- Ron Brown > 3 - Calvin Smith > 4- Bob Hayes > > > Assuming that no duplicates are allowed, I'd enter this squad in the 4 x 1 > 1-Mike Marsh > 2-Maurice Greene > 3-Tommy Smith > 4-Carl Lewis > I like that squad

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Ed wrote: > > Conways dream team looks like this: > > > > 4x1 > > > > 1- Jon Drummond > > 2- Ron Brown > > 3 - Calvin Smith > > 4- Bob Hayes > > > > > > Assuming that no duplicates are allowed, I'd enter this squad in the 4 x 1 > > 1-Mike Marsh > > 2-Maurice Greene > > 3-Tommy Smith > > 4-Carl L

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

Sideshow wrote: > > No, it would be a problem for all of us. I was in favor of wiping out ALL world records at the end of last year, but to set up some kind of investigation to selectively get rid of dirty WR's would be deadly for the sport. Track's few headlines are already dominated by drugs.

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

Walt wrote: > I can't believe no one has mentioned Dennis Mitchell for the 3rd leg on a > Dream 4x100. He ran in that position on five of the six fastest teams in > history (Including four world records). > > I agree .. I didn't pick him only because I chose Calvin Smith who I feel is the best

Re: t-and-f: Edmonton A Good Place For Sprint PR's ?

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 4:45:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Helsinki 0 Los Angeles104 Rome 20 Seoul 85 Tokyo 0 Barcelona 0 Stuttgart 245 Goeteborg

t-and-f: 2001 POST-COLLEGIATE SCHEDULE (updated 19 January)

2001 POST-COLLEGIATE SCHEDULE Here's what I have at the moment for a 2001 North American post-collegiate track meet schedule (updated 19 January '01). The meets listed below are primarily high performance meets open to post-collegiate runners. The updated version of this list is posted at

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

I can't believe no one has mentioned Dennis Mitchell for the 3rd leg on a Dream 4x100. He ran in that position on five of the six fastest teams in history (Including four world records). Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Relay Dream Teams

> 1- Jon Drummond > 2- Ron Brown > 3 - Calvin Smith > 4- Bob Hayes VERSUS > > 1-Mike Marsh > > 2-Maurice Greene > > 3-Tommy Smith > > 4-Carl Lewis > > Conway wrote: > I like that squad a lot .. Not sure how well MO would be able to pass the > stick, and Tommie was alittle slow gettign started

t-and-f: predictions

How about some brave souls out there showing their savvy by predicting the results of some of this weekends races? I'll stick my neck out and say that I'll pick Jason Pyrah over Benard Lagat in L.A. on Saturday. I have no clue about how fast. John

RE: t-and-f: Dream Relay Teams

Though the men's teams are good, your women's teams might still go down to the GDR (even discounting Breuer). 4x1 Marlies Goehr, Kathrin Krabbe, Marita Koch, Heike Drechsler with Woeckel or Stecher as handy subs 4x4 Christine Brehmer, Sabine Busch, Baerbel Woeckel, Marita Koch with maybe

RE: t-and-f: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:11:00 -0500

Walker has Parkinson's Disease. A few links for anyone interested: http://www.coolrunning.com.au/editorials/1997e007.shtml - When he was first diagnosed with the disease, Walker said he heard reports that Parkinson's was brought on by high-performance sport. He admits he knew of only two suffere

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 6:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: <> Gee, what a great idea. What's the over-under on the Flojo family filing a multi-million dollar lawsuit for defamation of character? About 4 seconds? Yeah, sign me up for that panel.

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

GH wrote: > In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 6:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > < ALL is complete you make a one time adjustment .. Of all records that need > adjusting .. You take out all "bad marks" and what you are left with are the > new records ..

t-and-f: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:11:00 -0500

I'm not really in favour of censorship but there are some things that are beyond the pale. This is one of them. Whoever wrote it in the first place and Mcewen, Brian T who posted it should be ashamed of themselves. Randall Northam > I was sent the following from the Michigan track and field list.

t-and-f: ebb and flow

Just to show how fortunes come and go, and one shouldn't make too much out of any one year's results, the following chart is an analysis of the T&FN World Rankings in the men's 100 since the first year, 1947. The Rankings are scored 10-9-8. making the perfect score 55. The best year ever wa

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jan 2001 7:33:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Actually not .. In a previous post I stated that we work only with those marks for which we have evidence .. So FloJo's marks remain .. Of course there is nothing preventing anyone to list

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

Sideshow wrote: > > What kind of evidence would you use? Sure, there is strong evidence that the East Germans used drugs. But I'm sure you could get people to testify and provide evidence that lots of other athletes were doped but never tested positive. Couldn't the fact that Marion Jones is marr

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

In a message dated 1/19/01 3:06:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good theory. I would agree with this but <.. Have hearings .. Convene a panel > Bd idea. The sport would be dragged through the mud for years. Steve S.

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

No Astreik for flo-jo. If the judges and their equipment made an error it is not the fault of the athlete and they should not be penalized. In every sport there are judgement errors by refs, umps and officials, We don't attach asteriks to those games. Why should this sport be any different? . I

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

- Original Message - > No Astreik for flo-jo. If the judges and their equipment made an error it is > not the fault of the athlete and they should not be penalized. So instead we punish every athlete who comes after her? Get rid of the record

t-and-f: re: walks & Where did I say HATE?

Grote & Sam, Geez a little touchy here? Why not deal with this on list or off, there is no need to bring the whole gang along, or is there? Basically your comments towards the event are mean spirited without cause. You make comments about the event and its practitioners in such a way to denigr

t-and-f: Mobile Jones

THE IRISH TIMES Saturday, January 20, 2001 Keith Duggan Marion Jones is playing H-O-R-S-E. It's a universally known basketball game, a bit of fun. You make a shot of your choice and then your opponent has to replicate it. Sky-hooks, lay-ups, anything goes. Loser is horse. It's a game she and CJ

t-and-f: Middle Tennessee State Univ. indoor meet

Middle Tennessee meet start sheets are posted at our web site. This will be the same location as for results after the meet. Enjoy Cleon R. Fowler C.F.P.I. Timing & Data, Inc. www.cfpitiming.com "The answer to all your timing needs"

Re: t-and-f: 4x100 Relay Dream Teams

Native European Team: Leadoff: Armin Hary (Germany) 2nd Leg: your pick of recent Greeks 3rd Leg: Pietro Mennea (don't bother painting lane lines) Anchor: Valeriy Borzov (S.U./Ukraine) Alternates: Roger Bambuck and Eddy Ottoz, although I'm not sure whether Bambuck is a native European. By the way

Re: t-and-f: Expunging dirty WRs

>No Astreik for flo-jo. If the judges and their equipment made an error it >is >not the fault of the athlete and they should not be penalized. >In every sport there are judgement errors by refs, umps and officials, We >don't attach asteriks to those games. Why should this sport be any >differen

t-and-f: SEC Quad indoor meet

If you would like to see full results of the SEC Quad Meet (Arkansas, Florida, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt(Women)/Texas(Men)), you can check them out on my site: http://www.larissa-kleinmann.com You can find info on the meet under "Results" and "News".   *** Larissa