On 24 Apr 2008, at 03:40, Peter Miller wrote:
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From: Shaun McDonald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 April 2008 00:22
To: Peter Miller
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stops
On 23 Apr 2008, at 17:45, Peter Miller wrote:
Th
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Andy Allan wrote:
> You are taking what you believe to be true, and applying it to
> everyone else.
The same can be said for both sides of this discussion.
> If you think there is no clear winner, then shoudn't the established
> conventions should take precendence?
There ar
Some people advocate nodes off to the side of the way
to represent the location of the pole or shelter in relation
to the road.
Near where I live (Korea) there is often a shelter on
one side of the road for buses going both directions.
In that case I'm guessing I would put a shelter node
on one si
Jeffrey Martin wrote:
>Sent: 24 April 2008 9:06 AM
>To: Peter Miller
>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stops
>
>Some people advocate nodes off to the side of the way
>to represent the location of the pole or shelter in relation
>to the road.
>
>Near where I live (Korea) there
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Ari Torhamo wrote:
> on the other hand because some of the argumenting has been based on
> how the use of namespaces would affect the inexperienced OSM:ers - like
> me.
Thanks for your input - you're *exactly* the sort of person we need to
hear from, rather than reasoning on
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are established conventions for both flat tagging schemes and
> namespacing - see the likes of the piste proposal, the lighthouses proposal,
> etc.
Namespacing every tag is not an established convention, no matter how
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeffrey Martin wrote:
> >Sent: 24 April 2008 9:06 AM
>
> >To: Peter Miller
> >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
>
> >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stops
> >
>
> >Some people advocate nodes off to the side of the way
I've made a decision for what I am going
to do.
If I wait until there is some standard way
it will be a hassle to find all these stops
later instead of putting them in now
with all the other data, and I might loose
my little scraps of paper.
Here's my plan of action. I'm going to put
a node on th
Stephen Hope wrote:
> I think it's just as important to have a list of models NOT to buy.
The one recommendation I'd give is: if you're expecting to be at all
serious about OSM, grit your teeth and pay for a decent Garmin.
I'm now using an eTrex Legend HCx (having started with a basic yellow
Richard Fairhurst
>Sent: 24 April 2008 10:57 AM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GPS recommendations
>
>Stephen Hope wrote:
>
>> I think it's just as important to have a list of models NOT to buy.
>
>The one recommendation I'd give is: if you're expecting to be at all
>serious a
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 23 Apr 2008, at 16:07, Andy Allan wrote:
>
> > I can say from my experience of teaching IT concepts to very smart
> > people (i.e. until recently I was an IT support manager at a large
> > uni) that this namespacing
The GDF standard has a very useful 'is associated with' relation, so one
could say the bus stop (and the letter box etc) are associated with the road
element.
The UK Bus Stops database is separate from the roads layer (so people can
use OS/Navteq/TeleAtlas or even OSM!) and the bus stop DB entry
Jeffrey Martin wrote:
> I've made a decision for what I am going
> to do.
>
> If I wait until there is some standard way
> it will be a hassle to find all these stops
> later instead of putting them in now
> with all the other data, and I might loose
> my little scraps of paper.
>
> Here's my pla
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Ari Torhamo wrote:
>
> > on the other hand because some of the argumenting has been based on
> > how the use of namespaces would affect the inexperienced OSM:ers - like
> > me.
>
> Thanks for your inpu
On Thursday 24 April 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote:
> Because a bus stop is a highway feature it really in my view should
> be part of it. And because we map what we see on the ground then
> logically if there are two bus stops not quite opposite each other
> then I place two nodes, one fo
Hi,
> You can't use JOSM to check this by looking at the colours on the screen. A
> properly drawn and tagged "island in a lake" will be more blue than the lake
> itself in JOSM. Also, a not properly closed polygon will still be filled by
> JOSM, but it will not show up in the mapnik rendering.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Laenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 April 2008 12:30
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder); 'Jeffrey Martin'; 'Peter Miller'
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stops
>
> On Thursday 24 April 2008, Andy Rob
Ben Laenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Sent: 24 April 2008 12:30 PM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder); 'Jeffrey Martin'; 'Peter Miller'
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stops
>
>On Thursday 24 April 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote:
>> Because a bus stop is a highw
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Jeffrey Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've made a decision for what I am going
> to do.
>
> If I wait until there is some standard way
> it will be a hassle to find all these stops
> later instead of putting them in now
> with all the other data, and I might
Hi,
In Mapnik zooms 7, 8 and 9, most of the isle of Cuba is under the water. Is
there anything I can do to fix this? Should I provide a hand-made shapefile or
something? Thanks.
Lucas
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Ben Laenen wrote:
> On Thursday 24 April 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote:
>> Because a bus stop is a highway feature it really in my view should
>> be part of it. And because we map what we see on the ground then
>> logically if there are two bus stops not quite opposite each other
>> then I
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
> either you're a human in which case most of the time you'll
> engage your brain and figure out what makes sense... or you're a
> computer in which case some nice human has programmed you with the
> relevant domain knowledge, so you know that highway=climbi
On Thursday 24 April 2008, Peter Miller wrote:
> It would make sense to rationalise bus stops, tram stops, metro
> platforms, ferry quays into the same structures as the standards do.
Especially because a stop can be both a bus stop and a tram stop at the
same time.
> Agreed, I think we should a
2008/4/24 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> In Mapnik zooms 7, 8 and 9, most of the isle of Cuba is under the water.
> Is there anything I can do to fix this? Should I provide a hand-made
> shapefile or something? Thanks.
>
> Lucas
>
>
>
It looks ok at http://tile.openstr
On Thursday 24 April 2008, Lester Caine wrote:
> It is the same problem where the tram way and the road share the same
> way, but isn't it more normal to find that there is a way for the
> tram track in the same way as the separate carriage ways of a two
> carriage way road?
I've certainly been ta
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:51:13PM +0100, Steve Hill wrote:
> > piste:lift:occupancy -- wtf? this can only ever happen on a piste:lift
> > right? there is absolutely zero point in this tag.. call it occupancy
> > -- the result is 100% identical. This is purely namespace wanking for
> > the sake of
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeffrey Martin wrote:
> > I've made a decision for what I am going
> > to do.
> >
> > If I wait until there is some standard way
> > it will be a hassle to find all these stops
> > later instead of putting them in now
Ben Laenen wrote:
>> We could talk about modelling bus services, but lets not for now.
>> Lets sort out fixed infrastructure and then revisit timetable.
>
> Modelling bus lines isn't difficult, just enter some route relations and
> many people have done it before (time tables are really out of th
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> I can't claim to have the right answer, but I will state that it is not
> common in geographic software to have namespaced attributes: in general,
> when this is the case, it is a namespace based only on the object type
> which has a specific schem
Ben Laenen wrote:
> On Thursday 24 April 2008, Lester Caine wrote:
>> It is the same problem where the tram way and the road share the same
>> way, but isn't it more normal to find that there is a way for the
>> tram track in the same way as the separate carriage ways of a two
>> carriage way road?
Dave Stubbs wrote:
>> A nice 'is_in' link to the 'unique_id' of the way so that one can actually
>> find all the bus stops on a route ;) Looking at the way things have
>> developed,
>> is there any reason we can't set a tag for is_in, and then select a way, so
>> that the key becomes is_in=#xx
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 01:23:32PM +0100, Steve Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
>
> >I can't claim to have the right answer, but I will state that it is not
> >common in geographic software to have namespaced attributes: in general,
> >when this is the case, it is a n
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> It almost sounds like the proposal is to use namespaces in place of a
> 'type' property on the object... which I personally think would be a
> better way to go than to namespace every tag...
The idea is to make the context of the tag much more obv
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
>
>
> > either you're a human in which case most of the time you'll
> > engage your brain and figure out what makes sense... or you're a
> > computer in which case some nice human has p
In respect of fields, I came across an intresting problem:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.86517&lon=-0.35858&zoom=17
They current tagging is a compromise, I would welcome further
disscusissons on this.
Also was it decided that landuse=farm; was the entire farm or just the
farm compo
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
>
>
> > I can't claim to have the right answer, but I will state that it is not
> > common in geographic software to have namespaced attributes: in general,
> > when this is the
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
> And if the occupancy is on a fish pond then it likely does
How do you know it's a fish pond? There is no tag that unambiguously
identifies the type of object it is. Instead there is a whole load of
tags to identify the object, and you have to have a l
On Thursday 24 April 2008, Lester Caine wrote:
> I just look at the Relations page and see lots of 'Proposed' ...
>
> At the end of the day 'is_in' IS a relation so we are probably
> actually talking about the same thing, but there is a lot of 'talk'
> but no practical examples of actually using 'R
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jeffrey Martin wrote:
> > > I've made a decision for what I am going
> > > to do.
> > >
> > > If I wait until there is some standard way
> >
That link is broken. Try:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations
and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.5
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
>
>
> > And if the occupancy is on a fish pond then it likely does
> >
>
> How do you know it's a fish pond?
It would probably have a tag like man_made=fishpond. I don't know
there's a
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
> It would probably have a tag like man_made=fishpond. I don't know
> there's a tagging schema for that.
How did you know that the man_made tag defined the context?
> Seriously, I've had enough of this.
That's fine, but I'm afraid you haven't convinced me
Hello,
The details are now finalised, we have the use of the local library with
free wifi, support from a local councillor and various local groups
including a school and scout group all interested! I'll be getting onto the
local media soon too.
After the really successful Surrey mapping party t
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
>
>
> > It would probably have a tag like man_made=fishpond. I don't know
> > there's a tagging schema for that.
> >
>
> How did you know that the man_made tag defined the context?
>
O
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote:
> a Good Thing, but you can't tell me why, and you ignore my reasons why not.
Nope, I told you why, as did other people.
> This is the problem dude, you don't get why you're doing it.
I understand exactly why I'm doing it.
> I like to know why I'm doing
> > I like to know why I'm doing something, and dislike being told "because".
> > So far you've not actually come up with anything except statements of
> > belief, and a few potential non-uses.
> >
>
> I'm in the same boat - I think the flat namespace is a really really bad
> idea and yet no one h
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 15:01 +0300, Lauri Hahne wrote:
>
>
> 2008/4/24 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> In Mapnik zooms 7, 8 and 9, most of the isle of Cuba is under
> the water. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Should I
>
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> The one recommendation I'd give is: if you're expecting to be at all
> serious about OSM, grit your teeth and pay for a decent Garmin.
I would be interested to hear how you would rate that solution compared
to one involving a bluetooth GPS mouse and using e.g. a cell
On 24 Apr 2008, at 19:32, Kai Krueger wrote:
> I would be interested to hear how you would rate that solution
> compared
> to one involving a bluetooth GPS mouse and using e.g. a cell phone
> to do
> the recording and display of OSM maps. With GPS bluetooth receivers
> selling already at about
Kai Krueger wrote:
> I would be interested to hear how you would rate that solution
> compared to one involving a bluetooth GPS mouse and using e.g. a
> cell phone to do the recording and display of OSM maps.
Well, you can do anything if you connect a Bluetooth GPS mouse to a
sufficiently p
On 24/04/2008 19:57, Laurence Penney wrote:
> I quite liked my Nokia N70 + BlueGPS (Sirf3, non-logging) +
> nmea_info.py combo. So much so that I bought another BlueGPS when I
> left my first one on a train in a good position near the window. I
> can't find its replacement now, so wonder if I
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 4:48 AM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On 24/04/2008 19:57, Laurence Penney wrote:
> > I quite liked my Nokia N70 + BlueGPS (Sirf3, non-logging) +
> > nmea_info.py combo. So much so that I bought another BlueGPS when I
> > left my first one on a train in a good po
Hi,
> I've been very happy with my Nokia N810 internet tablet.
[...]
Interesting :) .
I just bought such a device a couple of days before. While eagerly waiting for
it to arrive (it's difficult to be patient if it comes to gadgets :) , I've
added rendering of minor ways (tracks, cycleways, fo
Jeffrey Martin wrote:
>Sent: 24 April 2008 10:50 PM
>To: David Earl
>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GPS recommendations
>
>
>I bought a Garmin HCx Vista. Does the "high sensitivity" mean
>that it's better than other receivers or that they are just now
>catching up to other rece
On 24/04/2008, Jeffrey Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I bought a Garmin HCx Vista. Does the "high sensitivity" mean
> that it's better than other receivers or that they are just now
> catching up to other receivers?
I have exactly this device and I love it. Its sensitivity is very
high, to t
It works for me also. I usually get 8m in Korea. I just have no idea
if that is good or not. I don't think WAAS makes a difference here.
I see no difference if it's turned on or off.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 24/04/2008, Jeffrey Martin <[EMAIL
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeffrey Martin wrote:
> >Sent: 24 April 2008 10:50 PM
> >To: David Earl
> >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
> >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GPS recommendations
> >
> >
> >I bought a Garmin HCx Vista. Does the "high sens
"I think that either of these units will serve you well and, in my opinion,
any purchasing decision should be made on the basis of features, not the
brand of chipset."
I think he could also add that chip manufacturers don't have a lot of
control over things like antenna placement, and case design
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