Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
> Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at > least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be > sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets > on with it can be 'established' within 2 weeks. I think that was how > long it

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
maning sambale schrieb: > Revert my own and only my own changeset. Okay.. and how about vandalists? Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] geolocation for mobile browsers

2009-09-03 Thread bernhard
hi all I think that the "navigator.geolocation" is available in iPhone and Android CellPhones. Are there other mobile browsers with this javascript API? Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:11 PM, MP wrote: > On 02/09/2009, Peter Körner wrote: >> > I'm against voting. Voting is a way to take responsibility away from the >>  > individual. I think that in most cases we should strive to have >>  > individuals responsible for everything (just like with mapping -

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Peter Körner wrote: >> I'd like to do a Brainstorming about how a Revert-Tool could look like, >> that is more open to the Community, can be used without programming >> knowledge and is able to to reverts fast. > > I'm thinking of a process like this: > > - Identify

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave Stubbs wrote: > As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are > also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you > don't know what you're doing, not at all user friendly, deliberately > hard to use to make sure you do know

[OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Childs
Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. This is the way most of the other lists I'm on work, and its a bit annoying having to use "Rep

Re: [OSM-talk] geolocation for mobile browsers

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 bernhard : > Are there other mobile browsers with this javascript API? BlackBerry had a javascript api long before apple ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Lester Caine
Peter Childs wrote: > Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on > all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, > so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. > > This is the way most of the other lists I'm on work, and its a b

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Patrick Petschge
Hi, > Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on > all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, > so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. In short you missed http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > This is the w

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave Stubbs wrote: >> As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are >> also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you >> don't know what you're doing, not at all user friendly,

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:05, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave > Stubbs wrote: >> As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are >> also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you >> don't know what you're doing, not at all user friendly, d

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Lester Caine : > People will explain why the current way is 'right' and other lists are > wrong, and to be honest both views ARE equally valid :( When it comes to being inclusionary I think it's a valid argument to not require people to hit reply to all, many people new to mailing lists

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge : > Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's how things are and I highly doubt anyone new to mailing lists would have such a client. > an annoying reply-to header which

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Miller wrote: > Only 'established users' can upload images to Wikipedia and I would > suggest that the revert option is only available to established OSM > users. It would need to take many edits to get 'established' but it > means that there are some controls on 'dr

[OSM-talk] beginner's guide all in one page

2009-09-03 Thread maning sambale
Hi, I'm looking for an all in one page of the beginner's guide: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_Guide Good for printing or giving out to people without net connection. Is there any hidden in the wiki? -- cheers, maning -- "Free

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Körner wrote: > maning sambale schrieb: > > Revert my own and only my own changeset. > > Okay.. and how about vandalists? > > Peter i though maning meant this was a separate option ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org h

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Matt Williams
2009/9/3 John Smith : > 2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge : >> Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without > > Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's > how things are and I highly doubt anyone new to mailing lists would > have such a client. I kno

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Patrick Petschge Kilian schrieb: > Hi, > >> Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on >> all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, >> so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. > In short you missed http://www.unicom.com/

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Matt Williams : > I know that at least KMail has this feature. If there's a list-id in > the header it will offer you a 'Reply to all', 'Reply to author' and > 'Reply to list' option and default to the latter. Given this, it works > fine on all these OSM mailing lists. Most people don't u

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Christoph Boehme
Matt Williams wrote: > 2009/9/3 John Smith : >> 2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge : >>> Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without >> Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's >> how things are and I highly doubt anyone new to mailing lists would >>

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: > Repeating this link again and again doesn't make it any more right or > wrong than any other opinion. I've read it all before. I'm on kmail, I've set reply to list , but its getting harder with the newer kmails to find the setting I frankly disagree with t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Matt Williams
2009/9/3 John Smith : > And you sent this to me directly, was the intentional or because the > email client didn't reply to the list? No, it was because GMail defaulted to emailing just you and I forgot about it until it was too late. It's caught me out several times. I guess the other mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/09/2009 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: > Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! > and Thunderbird has an add-on which adds the command [1]. which I tried and it doesn't always work. And in any case if you have to press a sep

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Matt Williams : > 2009/9/3 John Smith : >> And you sent this to me directly, was the intentional or because the >> email client didn't reply to the list? > > No, it was because GMail defaulted to emailing just you and I forgot > about it until it was too late. It's caught me out several ti

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
> You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two months > by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for lack of a > suitable tool to achieve it. Are you talking about http://openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 ? Are we sure that this is really vandalism? For now I won

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: > Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and Thunderbird has an add-on > which adds the command [1]. Thunderbird 3 has it built in. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mail

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Mike N.
> We have to deal witht he reality of the situation, no commonly used > mail client handles list headers properly, so it's pointless to argue > this is a good reason to keep the status quo, in fact it's a good > reason to set the reply to to the list since most mail clients don't > handle it proper

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 12:28, John Smith wrote: > I hope the reply to changes, if for nothing else than to be > inclusionary of new people so they don't have to learn to cope with > the self righteousness of others. > > Can we get the reply to on this and the talk-au list and the dev list > changed please.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Tom Hughes : > On 03/09/09 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: > >> Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and Thunderbird has an add-on >> which adds the command [1]. > > Thunderbird 3 has it built in. Most people don't use email programs any more, most use webmail because it's ubiqutious b

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Tom Hughes : > Yes I could change it, but then in six months we'll have a flood of > complaints from the other side of the argument so I really don't see the > point. Just learn to live with both setups. I did long ago. You can't exactly take the high road here, reply to headers get mung

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Childs
I was only trying to sort out what I find to be an annoyance and a possible cause of why we get a lot of emails on this list without answers. I did not mean to start a holy war. Personally I think Email needs a complete and utter re-design from the ground up. Its not fit for the purpose it is now

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Mike N. : >   Some web forums allow email-based communications for those who need that. > And for those modern kids, it allows RSS feeds, quickly adding new forum > subject categories as needed, and rapid searching and archived thread > following rather than relying on Google. We're not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 12:49, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/3 Tom Hughes: > >> Yes I could change it, but then in six months we'll have a flood of >> complaints from the other side of the argument so I really don't see the >> point. Just learn to live with both setups. I did long ago. > > You can't exactly take

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Peter Körner wrote: >> You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two months >> by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for lack of a >> suitable tool to achieve it. > > Are you talking about http://openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 ? A

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 12:40, Mike N. wrote: >The current communications methods are very awkward, particularly when > participating in more than one subject. The amount of time to create a new > password and sign up is absurd compared to a more typical single sign-on web > forum based setup. That's t

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Peter Körner : >> You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, >> edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database >> and not the real thing :-) > > Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work with tha API and > without a local DB, so I

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 13:32, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/3 Peter Körner: >>> You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, >>> edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database >>> and not the real thing :-) >> >> Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körner wrote: >> Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at >> least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be >> sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets >> on with it can be 'establis

[OSM-talk] How to read this list on the web (was: OSM Mailing List Reply To Header)

2009-09-03 Thread Ed Avis
If you prefer web interfaces, you can participate in this list via . That is what I am doing now. -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tal

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Tom Hughes wrote: > Look people. This is, and has been for the 16 years that I have been > reading email, a holy war issue (just like vi vs emacs etc) and whatever > you do the other side will just complain. > > Frankly I long ago gave up caring - it's impossible to please every

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
> You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, > edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database > and not the real thing :-) Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work with tha API and without a local DB, so I'd need a test-api. Do we have

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Miller wrote: > I agree that there should be a 'easy revert' for a single changeset. > This might result in a 'clean' revert (where none of the features have > been touched since), Just want to point out that there's more to life in OSM than particular featu

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Dave Stubbs wrote: > Assuming you're looking for a tool to actually do reverts, then I'd > suggest a plugin to an editor -- most meaningful reverts are going to > result in a conflict that has to be edited -- you might have to > rebuild unconnected bits of the map b

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Christoph Boehme
David Earl wrote: > On 03/09/2009 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: > > Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well > > and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! Admittedly, it is not the most widely used email client but it has very good support for mailing lists. > > and Thunde

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
Richard Weait schrieb: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körner wrote: >>> Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at >>> least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be >>> sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 12:33, Peter Körner wrote: >> You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two >> months by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for >> lack of a suitable tool to achieve it. > > Are you talking about http://openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 ? Are

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:34, Peter Körner wrote: > Richard Weait schrieb: >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körner> li...@mazdermind.de> wrote: Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:04, Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Miller > wrote: > >> I agree that there should be a 'easy revert' for a single changeset. >> This might result in a 'clean' revert (where none of the features >> have >> been touched since), > > Just want to poi

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/3 Peter Körner : > I'm talking about building an external tool without any integration into > osm.org, as this is what i'm capable of. This tool can be visited by any > user and any user may do OAuth-Sign-In with this tool. The tool can't > tell if the user is allowed to revert until he has

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread maning sambale
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Liz wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Körner wrote: >> maning sambale schrieb: >> > Revert my own and only my own changeset. >> >> Okay.. and how about vandalists? >> >> Peter > i though maning meant this was a separate option Yes, let's do this first and then work

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread MP
> > Also most people don't want the reply sent too them twice as if they > > are posting they are on the list, and hence should receive the answer > > twice. > > How do you know? Did you ask them? I _want_ to get direct copies. In case > people don't want to read mails twice they can tell the l

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > Ok, so I have just had an RSS alert that Liam123 is back editing > again today after a delay of 3 weeks. Probably because kids are back at school now. Look at his first changeset ever - it's next to his school. Of course, it would be an interesting experiment to e-mail th

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
Andy Allan schrieb: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Dave Stubbs wrote: > >> Assuming you're looking for a tool to actually do reverts, then I'd >> suggest a plugin to an editor -- most meaningful reverts are going to >> result in a conflict that has to be edited -- you might have to >> rebuild u

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
maning sambale schrieb: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Liz wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Körner wrote: >>> maning sambale schrieb: Revert my own and only my own changeset. >>> Okay.. and how about vandalists? >>> >>> Peter >> i though maning meant this was a separate option > Yes, let

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/4 Peter Körner : > First would be to build a tool that is able to revert changesets. Who is > able to revert which changeset comes after that. Maybe not just who, but where they can revert a change set as well. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/4 Peter Körner : >> Will you be able to revert a reverted changeset? > > A reversion is just a new changeset, so basicaly: yes, i think. We could > artificialy prevent a circle like this: >  - A reverts Bs changeset 1 -> results in changeset 2 >  - B reverts As changeset 2 -> results in chan

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: > 2009/9/3 Peter Körner : > >> I'm talking about building an external tool without any integration into >> osm.org, as this is what i'm capable of. This tool can be visited by any >> user and any user may do OAuth-Sign-In with this tool. The tool can't >> tell if the user is al

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Körner
> I wasn't thinking of that case so much as someone being a little over > zealous and reverting a changeset by accident and needing to revert > their change. This will of course be possible Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/4 Dave Stubbs : > At the end of the day it's just another editor, you'll need an OSM > account to edit with it. Save the rest till it matters. I usually find it immensely useful to talk out loud about what I'm coding and it usually solves some problem I was stuck on just by talking someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Liz wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Miller wrote: >> Only 'established users' can upload images to Wikipedia and I would >> suggest that the revert option is only available to established OSM >> users. It would need to take many edits to get 'established' but it

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: > I usually find it immensely useful to talk out loud about what > I'm coding and it usually solves some problem I was stuck on > just by talking someone else through it. That's lovely, but it would be less selfish if you could refrain from filling up the rest of our mailboxes

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Thread John Smith
2009/9/4 Richard Fairhurst : > That's lovely, but it would be less selfish if you could refrain from > filling up the rest of our mailboxes' with it, given that you've been > responsible for over 10% of postings to talk@ since August 1st. I'm glad you care so much you took the time to keep stats,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:36:14AM +0200, Patrick Petschge Kilian wrote: > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header > > Hi, > > > Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on > > all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, > > so tha

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Chris Jones
MP wrote: >> > Also most people don't want the reply sent too them twice as if they >> > are posting they are on the list, and hence should receive the answer >> > twice. >> >> How do you know? Did you ask them? I _want_ to get direct copies. In case >> people don't want to read mails twice the

[OSM-talk] Inconsistency in way history?

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
This page indicates that the last way says the last editor was Liam123 on 2 June 2009 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23180071 However, if one clicks the 'edit' button it goes to Potlatch and if one then clicks 'h' for history then it says the last editor is Mr Mark on 23 July 2009.

Re: [OSM-talk] Inconsistency in way history?

2009-09-03 Thread Shaun McDonald
The reason for the discrepancy will probably be attributed to one of the nodes having been changed by Mr Mark on 23 July since Liam123 made the change on 2 June. The Potlatch history takes into account the nodes history too, by using the timestamps. Shaun On 3 Sep 2009, at 17:09, Peter M

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Joseph Booker
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:24:12 +0100 David Earl wrote: > On 03/09/2009 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: > > Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well > > and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! Probably very few, since it is called Claws Mail now :) Full Disclosure: I use it,

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Peter Miller wrote: > > Ok, so I have just had an RSS alert that Liam123 is back editing >> again today after a delay of 3 weeks. > > Probably because kids are back at school now. > > Look at his first changeset ever - it's next to his school. O

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Jack Stringer
I guess it not a problem with the mailman mailing list manager. It should have a option to set whether you want that header or not. This would save many of the arguments. I prefer the reply to mailing list. I keep replying to the last person in threads. Often I don't notice until the next day. Its

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 21:18, SteveC wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> Peter Miller wrote: >> > Ok, so I have just had an RSS alert that Liam123 is back editing >>> again today after a delay of 3 weeks. >> >> Probably because kids are back at school now. >> >> Look at hi

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-03 Thread Someoneelse
Frederik Ramm wrote: > ... But I really need people familiar > with the region who tell me that they are reasonably sure that the edits > are bogus. If it helps, I've just looked at a selection of 20 of the 60 ways edited in changeset 2308178 by RR8. This covers north Nottinghamshire in Engla

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-03 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 22:17, Someoneelse wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> ... But I really need people familiar >> with the region who tell me that they are reasonably sure that the >> edits >> are bogus. > > If it helps, I've just looked at a selection of 20 of the 60 ways > edited > in changese

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/3 Peter Miller : > 2) We need to ensure that every contributor is on-balance making the > dataset better, not worse. If the contribution is in doubt we owe it > to other contributors to investigate and respond. This is a situation where the contributions are in doubt, at least in some areas

[OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Weait
At the risk of trifling with things that I do not fully understand[1], I've been using revert.pl to revert a changeset of my own. I blew it and imported a file with "bad things"[2] and want to undo the mess. I have revert.pl fresh from svn today, and it runs, but eventually stops with "node 48169

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/4 Richard Weait : > At the risk of trifling with things that I do not fully understand[1], > I've been using revert.pl to revert a changeset of my own.  I blew it > and imported a file with "bad things"[2] and want to undo the mess. > > I have revert.pl fresh from svn today, and it runs, but

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:08:51PM -0500, Joseph Booker wrote: > > > Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well > > > > and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! > > Probably very few, since it is called Claws Mail now :) No, you get double the chance of having heard of it! T

Re: [OSM-talk] How to read this list on the web (was: OSM Mailing List Reply To Header)

2009-09-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:48:32PM +, Ed Avis wrote: > If you prefer web interfaces, you can participate in this list via > . That is what I am doing > now. I’ll add Nabble[1] into the pot. [1]: http://www.nabble.com/OpenStreetMap-f1218.htm

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements > and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using > http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/split.py and upload in > reverse order, it should s

[OSM-talk] Yathusan vandalism

2009-09-03 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
Found some more: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2365004 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364986 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364907 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364884 Not 100% sure they are vandalism since they are in B.C., but I s

Re: [OSM-talk] Yathusan vandalism

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > Found some more: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2365004 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364986 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364907 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/236488

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: >> It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements >> and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using >> http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulk

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/4 Richard Weait : > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: >>> It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements >>> and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using >>> http://w