Re: [OSM-talk] Hitting reset on talk-au

2011-07-12 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 10:16 +0100, Dave F. wrote: > On 11/07/2011 17:56, Mikel Maron wrote: > > Everyone > > > > This thread was on the topic of the atmosphere of the Australian > > community and talk-au, > > > > -Mikel on behalf of Talk Moderators > > > > Then, as a moderator, you should give

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-05 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 23:35 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser : > > Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: > >> Maybe we can also open a discussion about this "related projects" > >> list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar app

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:22 +0200, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > @Eugene > > Please do not extend the discussion with incompatible examples. > My example fits exactly the description of what is called > forking: > Try > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_develop

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 20:50 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr wrote: > > On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: > > > >> did you see this? > >> http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html > >> > > > > That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Thread David Murn
o remove the data in the first place. David > On 6/22/2011 4:22 PM, David Murn wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:17 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > >> I wonder what would happen if someone involved in running Google Map > >> Maker were to post a similar message.

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 13:49 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: > Personally I hope as soon as possible. I suspect it will be nice to > give you 'no' guys some time to reconsider, as some already have. Such a pity you dont extend the same feelings to those 'yes guys' who wish to change their acceptance. E

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:17 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I wonder what would happen if someone involved in running Google Map > Maker were to post a similar message. "Hey, don't like how things go in > OSM? Why not come to Google Map Maker where all license issues are solved!" Except that a)

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash cookies

2011-06-22 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 12:08 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Markus Lindholm wrote: > > But there's no need to store them on the client, as all users have to > > log in the preferences can be stored server-side. Atleast I throw away > > all cookies when I close the browser. > > That works for osm

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 22:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Just like we have a tagging list for tagging-specific discussions. So if someone decided to change every highway=track into highway=unclassified or decided to mass-change aerodrome into airport, would that be an issue for tagging (since it

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 06:55 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ok. How do you fancy volunteering to be the person who posts the concrete > information, then? > > You seem to be under the impression that magic communication fairies will > crop up and make everything ok. It doesn't work like that. E

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:16 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 PM, David Murn wrote: > > when all the nearmap-derived data is removed > > It seems like you missed an email a couple of days ago? > > Current NearMap derived data does not need to be remo

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:52 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 17 June 2011 13:19, David Murn wrote: > > There are numerous programs that exist which show the density of mapping > > in certain areas. Maybe it would be useful to find the more heavily > > mapped areas th

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 14:09 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: > I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to > get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for aerial > and/or satellite imagery in the coming year. There are numerous programs that exist which sho

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:49 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: > Perhaps it is trivial, but I have yet to hear of anyone working on a > script or even pseudocode as to how the "cleanup" will be performed. > > Seems like an important item to address IMHO. > -Josh According to the implementation plan, sometime

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-14 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: > >> > >> Hi all > >> As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from > >> NearMap regarding submission of derived

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-14 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 23:54 +0200, Henk Hoff wrote: > During the time of the OSMF-membership vote, there was also a vote > initiated by the community, which can be seen here: > http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w > Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at > that time)

Re: [OSM-talk] Bandwidth limit/IP blocking - Error 303 on the OSM API?

2011-06-01 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 22:18 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > Yes, you got blocked on 16th May by the looks of it. I don't think I did > it so it was probably one of my colleagues. Is there not some sort of audit trail or changelog for when users get blocked? I think it would be useful if one could fi

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL site taken over by spam

2011-05-31 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 16:12 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: > I think I know why - its because I'm coming from a microsoft.com domain! > It thinks I'm a bing crawler. > > I can't be bothered to join a mailing list to do this. Maybe someone on > talk@ will care enough. In before Frederik.. but shouldn

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread David Murn
New Caledonia is not part of Australia. It is approx 2000km east of the closest point in Australia, about the same distance as New Zealand is. Does the Australia file (which doesnt seem to be on that linked page at the moment) cover the entire oceania region? Maybe its worth looking at putting up

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: > Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have you > ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed? For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit organisation in my country. If we had made decisio

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote: > You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had > posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have > been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would happen. What a load of bollocks. Has the OSMF ever ch

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 11:53 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: > ...which is ignoring the 70% or so of all of those people who never > edited and can be switched over without incident. That sounds like the thinking of the parties in a real vote, 'if everyone who didnt vote, voted for us, we would have wip

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 18:35 +0100, Thomas Davie wrote: > While I agree that there is a problem with the no votes disapearing if > you show the whole graph, it would be useful to show the same *range* > on each scale. I actually meant that the 2 graphs had different scales. When youre showing nu

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 10:27 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: > For what it's worth, I just legally "signed" my state tax return with > nothing but a checkbox on a web form... You mean all you had to do to do your tax, was check a checkbox and click accept? Or did you also provide information persuant to

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 17:25 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > It makes them readable. If you used the same scale you won't see the > handful of no-votes against the 1 yes-votes. It appears the scales have changed, and the readability hasnt changed. If anything the 2 lines are now more disti

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread David Murn
Ive noticed a few discrepancies with the graph.. How come on the 2-day graph, the scale for decline goes 10300 to 10800 while on 5-day graph the range is 10200 to 10800. The accept scale is 0-100 on 2-day but 0-120 on 5-day. The upshot is that the 'accepted' value is 99.8% of the full range, whi

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 19:47 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: > Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD > box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining. Many people have become accustomed to simply checking/accepting any terms and conditions displayed, for fear

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-17 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 12:16 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > If we make the numbers, then these new users are unaffected. > > If we do not, new users are still unaffected, they have agreed to the > use of either CC-BY-SA or ODbL. What about a case for example of a mapper who wants to map the fl

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 23:36 +0100, 80n wrote: > Do you think that Google haven't considered the possibilty of > incorporating OSM data into their MapMaker database? Why do you think > they haven't? Perhaps our data is not good enough for them? Or > perhaps, legally, they don't think they have t

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 18:00 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/16/2011 05:40 PM, Graham Jones wrote: > ... it is not clear whether OS Opendata in the UK, or Nearmap in > > Austrailia is compatible. I would have expected these issues to be > > resolved before forcing people to re-licence

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 17:09 -0700, Kai Krueger wrote: > Dermot McNally wrote: > > > > FWIW I would have favoured earlier specific requests for a vote, but > > it's basically been an impossible position for the LWG from what I can > > see as an outsider. > > > > No, the vote part really isn't tha

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 20:36 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: > > I thought that the new CTs were supposed to "fix" this issue > > [...] > > I have answered on legal-talk. We dont care if you answered on a podcast sent to the moon. The question wa

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 01:08 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > David Murn wrote: > > What about if you become aware that once youve got someone, who has > > agreed and who has contributed tainted data? Will you (or someone else > > wielding the magical OSMF+3 wand)

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 23:53 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: > On 14 April 2011 23:38, David Murn wrote: > > > Its not terribly confusing from here. What he is suggesting, is > > creating an account to contribute 'clean' data, which he is prepared to > > agree

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:48 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > You're new to the project obviously. Welcome! If you're interested in > the background story to the license change, and why we consider CC > unsuitable, I recommend that you read the archives of the legal-talk > list (see http://lists.op

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 18:50 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: > But your suggested course of action has me confused - you are happy to > make contributions under the new CT and intend to do so, but yet you > wish to vote against the change. Your choice, I supposed. Its not terribly confusing from here

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 20:10 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: > I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions > are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open > source project to have had to make these sorts of decisions. Out of interest Grant, what other large

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Eric Marsden wrote: > > It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on > > the wiki, whether choosing "Decline" is a irreversible decision, or > > whether one would still be able later to accept the licen

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-12 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 20:56 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > If you were a contributor before this date and have not accepted yet, > you will be asked to accept or decline the new terms. [..snip..] > Even if you choose to decline the new terms, you will still be able to > continue editing. With

Re: [OSM-talk] Sports club

2011-04-07 Thread David Murn
There is actually a proposal for project of the week for gyms. Apparently there are 66k pubs but only 400 gyms tagged in OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week/Proposals David On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 20:29 +, John-Michael Wiley wrote: > > > I was trying to map a plaza to

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-04-03 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 12:03 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The Google StreetView database isn't in Europe, it doesn't > have anyspecial conditions attached to its use, > > it has. At least if there aren't for Streetview in particular, the > ones of Googlemaps in general do ap

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 22:51 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Oandrzej zaborowski wrote: > > For the record, in East Europe where Google Street View has no > > coverage, there's a an almost identical service provided by Norc.ro, > > who explicitly allow usage in OSM. > > There's a similar service in Ge

Re: [OSM-talk] The Future of Areas

2011-03-28 Thread David Murn
Is there a reason why you decided to split this proposal into a different page for each section (with 2-3 paragraphs per page) instead of just one large page like most other parts of the wiki? Im upto the 4th page and still dont quite understand what you're proposing. David On Mon, 2011-03-28 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-26 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 09:50 +, Grant Slater wrote: > On 25 March 2011 05:49, David Murn wrote: > > > > The problem is, any fork under the existing licence can continue without > > problem. Any fork under the new licence, cannot use any data unless the > > user wh

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 00:11 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: > Y'know, I'm not understanding something. People whinge about CC-By-SA > not being free enough, and that OSM should be public domain. The > proper response to them (which I think most people agree with) is: if > you don't like the license, for

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 13:16 +0100, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Mike N wrote: > > Exactly start an "OSM Meetup" group now? How to explain to them > that if they make certain types of corrections, their work will be > deleted? > > > Are we forced to read every

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?] the coastline

2011-03-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:45 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > the question becomes (in my mind): why do we have a single way mapped > 'coastline'? this implies the boundary between land and water is > static, but of course it moves - a number of times per day. The coastline is (as generally accepted

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 14:01 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: > Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific > topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process > itself. This isnt a legalese issue. Well, as much as someone stealing your car is a lega

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-12 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: > This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: > > > http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf > > What do you think about something like: > > > cost:car_2axle = $X >

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-11 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:34 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: > Hi, > Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign > the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. > Are you using something for this? > > I know this is a little complex because the cost

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeline for phase3 and so on. (Re: odbl)

2011-03-07 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:03 +, Ed Avis wrote: > I would hope that this new state of play has changed the timetable a little > bit. > Has the OSMF board discussed the new Creative Commons offer? I believe the board (or possibly lwg) has discussed it before, as Im fairly sure Ive seen it in mi

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-06 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 03:45 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Joseph Reeves wrote: > > without explaining in layman's terms what this means. > > http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html > > Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who h

Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the week: Stationery

2011-03-03 Thread David Murn
I think this could even be extended to newsagencies too? Most newsagencies in Australia are often dominated by stationary supplies. David On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 08:16 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: > This week, we suggest to put your eyes on the local stationery shops > http://wiki.openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] all our addresses are belong to you

2011-03-02 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 13:54 -0700, flambe...@gmail.com wrote: > There are currently three (3) main files - one for the United States, > one for Canada and one for Europe. This is great, but the US is 300m, Canada 34m and Europe 700m. The world population is just under 6.8 million. Is there any

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 15:35 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > I find tracing endless residential subdivisions from aerials to be a chore > and no fun. I know many who disagree, fortunately. Last year I was laid up in bed for around 3 months after surgery, just after hi-res aerial imagery becam

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-20 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 09:54 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 19 February 2011 12:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > > "Your search - murn site:svn.openstreetmap.org - did not match any > > documents. > > > i think this does not move us forward - david is as valued as anyone > when making suggestio

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 19:40 -0800, Daniel Sabo wrote: > Maybe you don't like it, but you are not the entire OSM community. Yes, > in this case someone overwritten what I presume was good surveyed data > with an import was stupid. But in general the fact that data was > gathered by a government sur

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 23:33 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: > Am 18.02.2011 22:47, schrieb David Murn: > > If the service isnt designed to be portable (it only runs on one system > > currently, in the world), then who cares about java, > > What makes you think, that it only has

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 16:59 +, Grant Slater wrote: > The new java based XAPI is running and responding to test queries, but > be warned it is still under active development. See: Am I missing something here...? People are complaining about how bogged down and slow the current service is, so

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:16 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/2/18 David Murn : > > Because the use of (min_)levels,height is in use by 3D renderers and > > > IMHO this min_level-part of the advanced building proposal is not > working (is using wrong semanti

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-17 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:50 +0100, Pieren wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM, David Murn > wrote: > > > > Second, an underground building. Connects to other buildings > that are at > > grou

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 14:04 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > On 17 February 2011 12:21, David Murn wrote: > > Ive fixed quite a number of spots where keepright has picked up a river > > and highway on the same layer (=0), generally without a junction node. > > i won

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 19:57 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:56:54 -0500 > Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > > Since giving long ground-level ways nonzero layers screws up every > > place they cross another way, it seems clear what should be done. > > -1 is used for rivers commonl

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 01:52 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/2/16 Nathan Edgars II : > >> -1, > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Layer > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer > > our wiki is becoming something like the bible: you can find a page for > every opinion ;-) Thats

Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

2011-02-15 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 15:24 +0200, Nic Roets wrote: > And for view the map I use the unreleased (still in development) > version of Gosmore. Nic, Do you mean gosmore on android, or gosmore on CE? If you mean android, is there any ETA on when this might be released, or escape from your system? :

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-14 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 16:26 -0500, Andrew Guertin wrote: > I have a few buildings that are not simply at ground level, and I can't > find how to map them on the wiki. > > First off, a skywalk between two buildings. Nothing fancy, although it > does go over a road. As said before, use building/bri

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-14 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 09:23 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > My assumption - and I'm not a boating person so I may be wrong - is that > if you're out on a boat with any working kind of navigation, you will > know where the coastline is, and therefore you will automatically know > where the 12nm bo

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 03:22 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I've been thinking about the 12nm territorial borders on sea that we > have in many places, notably in Europe. Many of them seem to have been > auto-generated by simply placing a buffer around the coastline. > > My first question is,

Re: [OSM-talk] Spain needs OSM love

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 10:44 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Oscar Orbe > wrote: > hello list, > here is a ranking of the cities/towns in Spain which need the > most OSM love. > click 4 times on the last column to see them sorted: >

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 19:52 +0100, Chris Browet wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 19:25, Chris Browet > wrote: > Busy implementing in Merkaartor > > A bug: > you output while it is , with a capital > "C". see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:50 +0100, Maarten Deen wrote: > I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. > Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in > little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company > offering maps to use crowdso

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-11 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 09:12 -0500, Mike N wrote: > On 2/10/2011 9:01 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. > >Tracing from Google's imagery not only violates their terms of usage, > their spokespeople say that it's explicitly not allowed. There's > nothing to

Re: [OSM-talk] What the license change is going to do to the map

2011-02-09 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:30 -0500, Anthony wrote: > In other words, that's just the impact from deleting the contributions > of one user, who didn't even contribute that much. Multiply by tens > of thousands to get the impact on the world map when the contributions > of tens of thousands of contr

Re: [OSM-talk] (magical?) road detector

2011-02-06 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 15:33 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Stephan Knauss wrote: > > Oh, I was tricked by the wiki page stating it's GPL... > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch2 > > Wow. Who on earth added that? You mean, as author of potlatch, you dont have the potlatch wiki page o

Re: [OSM-talk] (magical?) road detector

2011-02-05 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 21:47 -0500, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Ido Omer wrote: > > I am a researcher at Microsoft and I am currently working on the road > > detector. > > Hi Ido. The code to the road detector isn't at all open, is it? Unlikely. If it was, and people could

Re: [OSM-talk] Generating a street directory from OSM?

2011-01-17 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 13:00 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > Wondered if anyone has ever put effort into producing a street > directory from OSM data. What about either TownGuide[1] or MapOSMatic[2]? If theyre not exactly what youre looking for, they might be a good starting point. [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] Is there a key for any of the major renders?

2011-01-16 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 17:53 +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 16/01/11 17:37, Dave F. wrote: > > > I showed a mapnik rendering to a colleague & he replied "yeah but what > > do all those things mean". > > I knew what they were, but a first-timer might not get everything. > > > > I looked on the wiki &

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 20:39 -0500, Anthony wrote: > > So, while 'road' may mean a tarred bit of bitumen in the UK, and it > > means something passable by a vehicle in Australia, in the OSM context > > it means an unknown classification, temporarily tagged until the > > required re-survey is comple

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 23:01 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > David Murn wrote: > > Now, maybe Im off the mark here, but it > > sounds like that is *EXACTLY* the outcome we want when mass changing > > tags, > > We are not going to mass-change tags. &#x

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 10:13 -0500, Anthony wrote: > > Sure, but if you read you will notice that I was specifically answering > > a question about what that would be called in the UK, not what it would > > be called in Australia. > > The more important question is what the tag means. Or is highwa

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:47 +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 10/01/11 19:00, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: > > > American usage would be to refer to that as a road, just not a very > > high-quality road. I take it that, in Britain, there are certain minimum > > standards for being called a road? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 20:27 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:25 PM, David Murn wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 17:17 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> > >> If the name or ref is different on either side of the state line, then it > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 17:17 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > If the name or ref is different on either side of the state line, then it > needs to be split in the middle. Thats fine, but does the state line need a node directly on-top of the road? Does the state line change as it crosses over

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 12:00 -0800, SteveC wrote: > That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? The article I posted gave figures (in both volume and $ sales) for per-quarter periods, compared with other quarters in 2010 and the previous year. > "Arguing with anonymous stranger

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:18 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Let those broken routers choke on real-world cases where nodes really are in > the same place (double-decker bridge that crosses a state line, for > example). I'll continue to map correctly. Just because you have ways crossing each o

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-06 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 14:53 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 7 January 2011 09:30, David Murn wrote: > > I think also one bit missing is the location of the survey answerer. I > > read a stat that nearly 50% of phones in Australia now, are android. I > > Not sure if that is a

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-06 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 22:05 +0100, Michael Kugelmann wrote: > On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: > > Results from my crude little survey; > > For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of > phones sold. Except: the very low number of BB-Devices. I think also one bit missin

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 21:52 -0500, Anthony wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > Being curious in return, why are you curious? > > Well, he does work for Microsoft... Explains the assumption that everyone has a latest and greatest brand name GPS-enabled smartphone hardware

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 09:14 -0800, Steve Coast wrote: > I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second > to answer it; > > Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all > open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show. I have an

Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn
Hi Ciprian, Was this positive response you received, in response to licensing their data under the previous OSM licence or the proposed new one? This is something to be mindful of if requesting permission from EEA, and continuing to use the data long-term. The issues with them changing their lic

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim & US places

2011-01-01 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 23:34 -0500, Anthony wrote: > This only gives one of the possibly many acceptable city names for a > zip code (e.g. for 12205 it gives ROESSLEVILLE). A zip can have more > than one acceptable city name. See > http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown_zip.jsp > > For geocoding, yo

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM server on a (Ubuntu) VM?

2010-12-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 14:31 +, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Bear in mind though that many of us have to make do with VMs, for > financial reasons. Not entirely sure what you mean by 'for financial reasons', but I agree in part. I do wonder though, if youre using a windows host simply for financia

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 19:00 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: > On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn wrote: > > Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any > > user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all > > their edits remove

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 11:28 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: > I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the > rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based > purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. I suspect this is a big issue. Pretty much any ma

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 20:14 -0500, Mike N. wrote: > > Ive also noticed while you have attiribution at the bottom, I cant find > > a permalink. Is (was?) it not a requirement of the licence to have a > > permalink on the map display, or is this just an unwritten rule that > > everyone complies with

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
he map display, or is this just an unwritten rule that everyone complies with? David > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM, David Murn wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 08:06 -0500, Antony Pegg wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Very very proud to announce that we have l

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:33 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > On 23000 nodes approximately 5 % were duplicate. > > Who of you will thank Blake for 95% new data ? > > None ! Ive seen a few thanks for the addition of the data, maybe you missed them, or only read emails f

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 08:06 -0500, Antony Pegg wrote: > Hi all, > > Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US > http://open.MapQuest.com site Just out of interest, why did you choose to extract only the continental united states out of the entire worlds data that the project has?

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 22:31 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > Failing that, would it be possible for you to create me a new account > (stevage1), and unset the flag on that account? Failing that, maybe its time that more people started doing what

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:21 -0500, Anthony wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, David Murn wrote: > > However, please understand that > > most of us use routing software, expecting it not to try and take > > shortcuts across unmapped areas. > > Who said anything ab

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