. Adding tags for
sidewalk, cycletrack and other details such as barriers between carriageways is
something that should just happen automatically from the real mapped features?
Not something that needs to be created manually ignoring the features themselves ...
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2012/5/21 Rob Nickersonrob.j.nicker...@gmail.com:
p.s. Personally I feel that cycle TRACKS would be much easier to map if
drawn as a separate highway=cycleway (despite any challenges the
renderers
. Adding tags for
sidewalk, cycletrack and other details such as barriers between carriageways is
something that should just happen automatically from the real mapped features?
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Britain - OS One Inch, 1955-61
are mirroring OSM nicely ...
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away from the road.
I've not been, but if JOSM has sorted the problem I'll give it a go ;)
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being licensed, that is Royal Mail managed data, but since
the street name data is freely distributed, a proper codepoint what includes the
street name is very much open source. We just have to add the right names
ourselves :(
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not actually costing them anything? They would be putting the images up
anyway, so THEY are the only ones who gain by getting back free vectorized data?
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on getting the coastline complete it is
going to be difficult to fix some of these irritations.
I've given up asking for a proper check on hierarchy place and is_in which would
at least get towns in the right country ... rather than relying on the mapped
boundaries ...
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Mike Dupont wrote:
2012/4/1 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk
Altin Ukshini wrote:
Does anyone care about these reports ?
I said it before and I'm saying it again, we can't monitor/administer
the map
everyday and you know this, we
there was some vandalism prior to the database going to read-only :(
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' attaching. I have a
growing collection of maps going back into the 1800's but only an A3 scanner
which is not ideal as it has a lip around the scanning area :(
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are looking at the license flags on that area? Certainly all the
'problems' to the East just want tagging as clean ...
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mechanism, and I feel this is an ideal candidate for that action?
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that this week, and the other local
blocks such as at Malvern are only fine detail that would probably be better
mapped clean anyway.
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thereafter.
Definitely ...
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, it does at least pick up the faster roads rather
than routes that are perhaps 0.5km shorter but using roads with many roundabouts
rather than the adjacent motorways or dual carriageways with none.
That and I could not drag the route to use the more practical roads on
Seamonkey.
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wrong place and background boxes are missing.
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: we probably should be careful to reduce these records to the pure
user count.
'contributing users' who have more than say 10 commits?
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. One of these days I will improve the catalogue of what I've got
available. Getting the material scanned commercially may be an option, but I
think that taking a little more care and being able to rescan when material when
there are problems ourselves may be an advantage?
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In the UK nowadays you will be lucky to find a post office at all ... ;)
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. The smaller patches it's much quicker to
remap than try and get in contact. In MOST cases I've actually replaced the
problem work with a more comprehensive rework anyway ...
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to
power that map).
Is there any conflict adding a link to http://openplaques.org/people/413 and the
relevant plaque. We might also be able to convert them to OSM ;)
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simply classifying 'undecided' as 'declined' which does seem to be the
recommendation, then what is the point of waiting for the outstanding users to
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
A brief interruption from your scheduled programming.
Haha. I'm an idiot. Sent to the wrong list.
*pours coffee on in effort to wake up*
I did wonder since I though we were being constructive on the thread you had
posted to ;)
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OK how do I draw the shape for an island in the middle of a lake ...
I seem to recall something about getting the inner and outer paths running in
the correct direction?
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genealogical data companies have got on the bandwagon yet, but
the 'spirit of cooperation' that OSM fosters should ensure that all of this data
is freely available especially when it's based on the freely donated work of others!
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these differences that impinges
on this fine detailing of 'industrial area' ... we still have to improve on the
micro-mapping guide lines ...
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2012/1/14 Russ Nelsonnel...@crynwr.com:
Lester Caine writes:
yet there seems to be no way to create secondary databases of
information which can be used in parallel but separately hosted.
Yes, we need *more* OpenStreetMaps from which you can fetch different
back, and I see that the tag does seem to have been accepted
now? This is probably another set of data that is better as a secondary layer
with other contact information.
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of people working on areas which the general mapping population
seems to think are not appropriate to be uploaded to the master database, but as
yet there seems to be no way to create secondary databases of information which
can be used in parallel but separately hosted.
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Russ Nelson wrote:
Lester Caine writes:
yet there seems to be no way to create secondary databases of
information which can be used in parallel but separately hosted.
Yes, we need*more* OpenStreetMaps from which you can fetch different
types of information. For example, any data which
they are going to jump, but I don't see any
reason why they do not simply 'free up' the block on existing history and then
walk away if the want to?
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mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
I know what areas of data I am working on.
OK Just crashed it again ... but having done at least a couple of hours work
and saved MOST of it.
So to log
of red dots around my clear area ...
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mins tidying up an area while I'm waiting for something else to finish is
time usefully spent, but fire-fighting why something random is happening takes a
lot longer :(
Hence asking the question ...
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I know what areas of data I am working on.
OK Just crashed it again ... but having done at least a couple of hours work and
saved MOST of it.
So to log current state ...
Flash area just went grey
Bottom line has Transfering data from ecn.t0.tiles.virtualearth.net
OK how many of you are having trouble editing for more than 10 minutes?
I've lost as much work as I've done this evening with potlach just freezing :(
I had the same problem at the weekend, but put it down to finger trouble, know I
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more time
tomorrow night.
Just pissed me off that I'd fixed the same block twice, but not managed to save
any of the work :(
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, but user 80n seems to be
contaminating a large sway of the country so it seems to me we need to 'start at
the top' and if these users confirm that there work has to be redone, then we
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the rest anyway. Just the top couple which impact a substantial area and
one decline which has a chunk of work locally but not to difficult to redo.
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Took a little time to tidy up a few nodes hile I was reviewing things, but while
the update said it had saved, it's showing as still editing despite having
logged back out ... what happens to hanging edits nowadays?
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Good point Andy. I cannot find a link though?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL
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, so how does one decided what data stays in the main
database and what is archived? Just retaining all where it is currently stored
just seems the logical way forward to me ... although if a mechanism can be
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data you take pleasure in destroying
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as an
alternative to destroying data as it is superseded by changes on the ground. But
one of the rules that does apply is that data that has been generated by others
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in the edit history. In my
own databases nothing is deleted ... it simply gets flagged as to it's status
... in fact one has to hand edit the database to actually delete any data. In
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mind still provides the most logical way forward. But at what point does
an historic element get degraded to the secondary storage area? Or more
important ... what classifies historic data as being 'main stream'?
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; in other cases, you might want to show
both historic data and current-day data.
This is the area that we still need to get some agreement on :(
Current rendering does not take any notice of start and stop dates ...
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Brian Prangle wrote:
and what do you call places where they make cider/perry?
The back yard ;) ... although the location of active cider presses would be
another useful addition.
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is that nick is listed as 'UK' area on the extract
list, and people don't think to look at other options :)
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I hadn't thought of UK as being Northern Europe, I looked in Western
Europe.
That's where they hid it ;)
I'd found the Isle of Man ...
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. It is the interpretation of the data
that is the problem, not the data itself, and if anything that needs to be
handled in the conversion process to the device not on the raw map? Bodging the
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to be investigated a little further since 'junction=roundabout' just seems
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data sources where this information can be stored
would at least allow it's integration?
And the creation of 'temporary' layers where material is being worked on but has
not yet been fully integrated would also seem to be a way forward even for
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Andy Mabbett wrote:
Yours for £20.
Or review for free?
http://www.canalmaps.net/A702.htm
The book is on google along with some related documents ...
As an aside, is there an equivalent to the National Library of Scotland archive?
http://geo.nls.uk/
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Stephan Knauss wrote:
And I have the data in a quite high resolution available because I'm
planning a zoom functionality.
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to maintain the history of that change, and similar things such as
change of use ...
I still live in the hope of being able to draw a map of an area with a
particular date to go with my genealogical work ...
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simply has to be
consistent? Then what may be missing IS a tag for 'split_from' or 'merged_with'
but the linked ID's must also be consistent?
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happened? If a item has
history then it's ID can't be reused.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/xxx/history simply has to be
consistent? Then what may be missing IS a tag for 'split_from' or
'merged_with' but the linked ID's must also be consistent?
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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 02/08/11 18:43, Lester Caine wrote:
Richard Mann wrote:
I think he was joking about reusing ids (he was illustrating the point
with the sort of daft temporary fix that someone might do ... if they
were daft)
Well someone has set up the system to reuse them
http
on the ground, but in
many cases the names ARE there and it is just a matter of getting the compare
process to mae the connection. SO there is little incentive to make changes
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that the account was only set up 5 minutes before would
suggest an newbie editor.
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database, but which can overlay any other OSM data?
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... perhaps because I HAVE to focus on it better to see any
detail at all ... even with my glasses on. A logo should be 'crisp' and scale
nicely from Icon through to larger image, and the loss of the distinctive
outline IS the major problem.
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? I do not even recall any
discussion that that a change was being planned?
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says nothing ...
Also how much stock of the current logo version is left on the shelves of those
supplying it?
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I am trying to make is did anybody changing the logo even consider the
other areas that money would have been spent? I see pictures of large banners in
addition to the vests which no longer match the current style of the website!
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railway and the track is slowly working it's way
up the old abandoned line ... But a part that may be useful in the UK is cleaner
identification of preserved over main line railway stations?
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and mangling it, creating a more open data interface so that
third parties can supply feeds in much the same way as we use a range of
background tiles at the moment. I am thinking directly here about paralleling
the current OS data with OSM data.
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that is the source ...
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that having the
courtesy to recognise where data can from should be any sort of a problem.
'Requiring it' just acknowledges that some people do not extend that common
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ten page document then to work out how much ...
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picked' and obvious errors stripped
from more complex useful edits.
Ultimately we should be able to provide many distributed copies of the master
database spreading the load and permitting local specialist information to be
managed in parallel ... using the same tools?
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on my Nokia phone. Now that I have found a phone
that works - with LINUX on it - I was at least happy. WHO is going to be
supplying LINUX (meego).
And do say 'Use Android' THAT is not linux and just as crap as iphone when it
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discrepancies, but some OS names ARE wrong
compared to the ground details. Have we got a way of flagging the name:os so
that we can identify these and flag them as 'different' rather than 'missing'
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of the Cotswolds.
A lot of the 'missing' roads are simply where a name is misspelt, or a section
has not kept the name when someone split it. I'm left with the -'s- problem and
some roads which I know are right on OSM ( hence the question about flagging
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and I wonder how
many of the remaining matches would be made if these were simply stripped before
comparing?
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the
distance in miles to corespond to the milometer on the vehicle ;)
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Anybody know if there is an option to select mile display in an
openrouteservice.org url. I've got everything else working nicely, but now I
need to get it displaying the distance in miles ;)
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and so provide the missing
information to link the postcode to a physical road.
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]wrote:
Sent: 21 January 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'talk-gb OSM List'
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that you can't add
detail coordinate data from OS even if it does
not give real road names. THAT is at least better for looking up 'xx within a 20
mile radius' where the previous options may well have only had 50 mile accuracy.
So replacing the course data with finer lookup is at least a step forward.
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by an area anyway. One would not be
using the boundary of that area as that IS the wrong 'way'.
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application for OSM, so
it would be great to import this data so that Nominatim and other
searches can use it. That would supersede the current approximate
lookup based on FreeThePostcode.
That is - I believe - where the EX13 7## data actually came from.
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that no nodes at different elevations but the same coordinates are
allowed is just crass.
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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 09/01/11 10:34, Lester Caine wrote:
Nathan Edgars II wrote:
But why write routers for the one case thats
theoretically possible, instead of the millions that are not only
possible, but already in existance?
I don't care how the routers are written. I care about people
then they
perhaps should be identified differently if they need to be highlighted?
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IE8 anyway ... it
was installing it that cause all the agro ... but even dropping back to IE6 now
I'm not getting anything with OSM, yet javascript and everything else seems to
be enabled correctly.
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the same point
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SteveC wrote:
In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. I
was just curious.
One thing that it does not show is what OS is being used. 'nokia' covers several
options, and I'm finding my N900 is actually quite a nice linux computer ...
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