Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Hi, all, Just jumping back into this thread with a link to a diary post about the Comms Survey and the Comms project in general. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/courtiney/diary/401468 As I mentioned before, we are presenting at SotM US on the 9th and will post a follow-up to that sometime

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Vào lúc 19:03 2023-05-03, Imre Samu đã viết: In addition to this, new OSM community members should be prepared for the potential culture shock they may encounter, especially those who come from a top-down corporate environment. It's important to remember that OpenStreetMap is characterized by

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Spot on, Greg! If this was Discourse I'd just leave a heart emoji, but since I have to type a reply anyway, I'd like to address some components of what makes communication civil and collaborative: 1. Assume positive intent until proven otherwise. 2. Don't assume that the reader's background

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

"Brian M. Sperlongano" writes: > I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing > lists as "cultural differences". I can think of several German participants > on Slack and Discord that dispel this stereotype. Similarly, I can think > of several American commenters

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

[...] contexts: > [1] > *""According to Hofstede, a typical conversation in a German cultural > context is characterized by a large degree of honesty, even if it hurts.* > > > > > > > *Consequently, Germans are perceived to be among the most direct > communicators in the world (Yin,

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Hello, Le 03.05.23 à 22:00, Courtney a écrit : "I know you may be relatively new here, so to help you be successful, here are some ideas for how to structure for your project" to a statement like this:  "I am disappointed to yet again see someone doing this wrong and ignoring the requests

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:08 PM Courtney wrote: > It's valid to ask for more specifics. You're right that "combative" just > ends up being an alienating word. > > Here's an example that I think everyone can benefit from. > > When I see a comment that reflects a kind of tired, angry emotion about

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Just to tie up a few of the loose ends. Nothing that anyone has said has been dismissed or downgraded as merely "pushback." This has all been very instructive for me and I've learned a lot. In the first post, Marjan described the companies and roles of the folks to whom I'm referring to as my

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

It seems the big joy in all this is that we are all quite correct. It isn't so much a conflict as it is "what comes next." Sure, there are good questions that haven't been answered yet, I look forward to those. OSM isn't a battle. It is a project. We grow. Does it matter what the survey

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 3:38 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > On Wed, May 3, 2023, 1:00 PM Brian M. Sperlongano > wrote: > >> I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of >> the mailing lists >> > I am not sure using a term such as "combative" is going to be effective in > bringing

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Courtney wrote on 5/3/2023 4:00 PM: Compare a statement like this:  "I know you may be relatively new here, so to help you be successful, here are some ideas for how to structure for your project" to a statement like this:  "I am disappointed to yet again see someone doing this wrong and

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

It's valid to ask for more specifics. You're right that "combative" just ends up being an alienating word. Here's an example that I think everyone can benefit from. When I see a comment that reflects a kind of tired, angry emotion about having to point out a mistake or breach of protocol yet

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On Wed, May 3, 2023, 1:00 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing > lists > I am not sure using a term such as "combative" is going to be effective in bringing about the change you desire. First the term has strong negative

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

I think it's really cool how this thread has turned into a compendium--or commonplace book--of ideas about the culture here. To me, all of the causes you've discussed are in play, including the impact of types of tools and types of data collection methodology. It's why I am so drawn to this

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing lists as "cultural differences". I can think of several German participants on Slack and Discord that dispel this stereotype. Similarly, I can think of several American commenters who are notoriously abrasive on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

On May 3, 2023, at 11:07 AM, John Whelan wrote: > A very accurate summation in my opinion. > Imre Samu wrote on 5/3/2023 1:03 PM: >> Courtney ezt írta (időpont: 2023. ápr. 30., >> V, 19:06): >> This conversation has opened up important new questions. Why is the main >> "Talk" channel the

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

A very accurate summation in my opinion. Thank you John Imre Samu wrote on 5/3/2023 1:03 PM: Courtney > ezt írta (időpont: 2023. ápr. 30., V, 19:06): This conversation has opened up important new questions.  Why is the main "Talk" channel the

[OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

Courtney ezt írta (időpont: 2023. ápr. 30., V, 19:06): > This conversation has opened up important new questions. Why is the main > "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? Why is it the only > one that is producing such a negative tone? > Hi Courtney, I think it's important to