Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-04 Thread Felix Hartmann
Why not setup a "Wave" server, using google Wave software. It's open source, and really efficient for real time as well as non real time communication. Alternative a google server could be used, but then it is just like other proprietary tools (though based on opensource software). ___

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-04 Thread Martin Mares
Hello! > Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real > time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group. I have another suggestion: learn how to use e-mail efficiently :-) An e-mail discussion need not take weeks if all interested people respond at l

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/04/11 03:23, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group. The alternative to communicating in real-time is fundamentally changing your organisational structure to r

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Anders Arnholm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 2011-05-04 03:23, Serge Wroclawski skrev: > Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real > time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group. The problem is that with the need for real time, at best 1/3 of

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Dave, This issue comes up constantly and no group has found any solutions which are ideal. Some folks suggest meetings using, say Gnome meeting, and then they're doled it's hard to set up, so Skype is suggested. Then some say Skype is proprietary, so we should switch to a phone conference system.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Mikel Maron
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:45 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki On 02/05/2011 13:36, Grant Slater wrote: > OK, lets find a time that works better. World Time Server Meeting > planner: http://bit.ly/kBuc2L > 1pm UTC seems like the best option to me or what do you think?

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Steve Coast
Everything would be better if Dave F. was in charge. The trains would run on time, logos would go through his personal approval process and unicorns would frolic near a turquoise lake in the sun. So, anyway, Grant was trying to be nice to you and offering to bring you in to the process that ev

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Dave F.
On 02/05/2011 13:36, Grant Slater wrote: OK, lets find a time that works better. World Time Server Meeting planner: http://bit.ly/kBuc2L 1pm UTC seems like the best option to me or what do you think? Or maybe we should alternate? What part of "Don't use IRC" did you not comprehend? Just becaus

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Thomas Davie wrote: > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:18, Dave F. wrote: > >> On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote: >>> >>> I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was >>> reading. >>> >>> In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Grant Slater
On 2 May 2011 12:43, Dave F. wrote: > On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote: >> >> I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was >> reading... > > A quick note to point out that we'd wouldn't be able to have this discussion > on IRC as we either live in different time

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Robert Kaiser
SteveC schrieb: You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would happen. Any progress at all in any direction now means at least 5 or 10 people on this li

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Dave F.
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote: I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was reading... A quick note to point out that we'd wouldn't be able to have this discussion on IRC as we either live in different time zones or our sleep patterns are asynchronous.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/02/11 12:22, Thomas Davie wrote: Discuss on this forum instead of IRC. It's self recording of *everything* that's said& allows *all* to contribute at *all* times. But causes discussions that could be had in 10 minutes to get spread out over 10 weeks ;) Dave is right about the adva

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Thomas Davie
On 2 May 2011, at 11:18, Dave F. wrote: > On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote: >> >> I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was >> reading. >> >> In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is selected for an IRC (or >> whatever) meeting, it's going to

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Dave F.
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote: I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was reading. In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is selected for an IRC (or whatever) meeting, it's going to be inconvenient for *someone*. Deal with it! No. Don't u

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Andrew Gregory
On 2 May 2011 09:03, Dave F. wrote: > On 01/05/2011 20:50, Nic Roets wrote: > >> Note that open IRC is the Internet equivalent to the town hall >> meetings. >> > > No, it's not. Those occur in the time zone of the those involved. > > IRC meetings, on the other hand, occur outside of many OSM user

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/05/2011 20:50, Nic Roets wrote: Note that open IRC is the Internet equivalent to the town hall meetings. No, it's not. Those occur in the time zone of the those involved. IRC meetings, on the other hand, occur outside of many OSM users waking/working day. This is another reason for th

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Nic Roets
Elizabeth, I don't see David's comments as constructive. Terms like "consulting the community" is quite vague and Steve has said that many of his prior efforts to consult the community end in flame wars. Now let me give it a try: I think the OSMF should make (more) use of polling. Not for everyth

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Ed Avis
Frederick, I think you are right, and we need to find a sane way of doing things as you put it. In this case, it would have worked well to put a message on this mailing list saying that the strategic working group exists, they are charged with looking after the OSM logo among other things, and the

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Mikel Maron
thank you Frederik == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Frederik Ramm To: David Murn Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 5:21:53 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki Hi, David Murn wrote: > Unfortunately, be

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
+1 Regards, Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Elizabeth Dodd [mailto:ed...@billiau.net] Verzonden: Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:51 AM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Mikel Maron wrote: > Da

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Elizabeth Dodd writes: > ... you make major decisions behind closed doors ... Have you knocked on the door and asked to be let in? Nobody who is whinging has answered that question. Obviously, because they haven't. Easier to whinge than actually do work. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russn

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread pec...@gmail.com
If you wanna critize SWG/OSMF *again*, please, create new thread but don't spam this one. I know there is lot of desire to express pain how communication doesn't work between some very loud minority and OSMF, but please, do it properly. About logo - new version looks excellent in high resolution,

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 Ilya Zverev : > I guess, the old logo should remain for low zooms (favicons, for example). I agree and would go even further: the new "logo" is actually a clip art, nicer to have it on the website, but not really suitable as a "logo". The old one instead is more logo-like (even if it too

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > It would be great if we could somehow reboot and arrive at > something sane again. Superb posting. +1 to all of that. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/New-Logo-in-the-Wiki-tp6319413p6321156.html Sent from the General Discuss

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Murn wrote: Unfortunately, being involved in an OSMF (or SWG, LWG, DWG, etc) meeting isnt as easy as 'just showing up'. Infact, its not even really possible to be invovled by reading the minutes or the meeting notes. Those of us who wish to be involved, join public discussions and fo

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 09:40:39PM +, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: > I assume that the "twice a year change" and the "funny, alliterative > animal names" are references to Ubuntu Linux. Note that, while each > release of Ubuntu has its own name, the Ubuntu logo has remained > unchanged for year

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 02:32:34PM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Jochen Topf wrote: > > Don't be so hard on the Strategic Working Group. After months of talks > > they have actually done something! I think we should celebrate that! > > After dipping their toes into many important subjects fo

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Lester Caine
Andreas Perstinger wrote: Is the current logo change a major decision for you? See also Robert's comparison: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Oldtonew_logo.gif). Actually it just highlights all of the problems nicely. Having been required to comply with the needs of the visually impair

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Steve Coast
Very nice. My favorite is the twitter one. On 4/30/2011 9:41 PM, Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-05-01 00:48, Robert Naylor wrote: Quick animated gif of the change: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Oldtonew_logo.gif Its not that much of a change - its still very much the OSM logo, as

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-05-01 05:54, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: let me rewrite the piece from David Murn a big part of the discussion is the way that we as a community are treated. If SWG and OSMF feel they have the power to do what they want without consulting the community, then those handful of mappers should b

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-05-01 00:48, Robert Naylor wrote: Quick animated gif of the change: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Oldtonew_logo.gif Its not that much of a change - its still very much the OSM logo, as is the numerous other version currently in use. +1. A quick Google search shows some examp

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Mikel Maron wrote: > This has not been constructive in the slightest. Inflammatory and > untrue. I don't have time for this. Most of us don't. You're making a > mockery of the hard work that's gone into this project. > Stop. Just stop. > > let me rewrit

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Mikel Maron
lk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 9:51:07 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Mikel Maron wrote: > David, this is complete nonsense. Please stop. > -Mikel You get constructive criticism and and so you promptly disregard

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Elizabeth Dodd writes: > On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > Mikel Maron wrote: > > > David, this is complete nonsense. Please stop. > > -Mikel > > You get constructive criticism and and so you promptly disregard it. > You actually prove the point. Actually, no. David completely

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Mikel Maron wrote: > David, this is complete nonsense. Please stop. > -Mikel You get constructive criticism and and so you promptly disregard it. You actually prove the point. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Steve Coast
M *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote: > You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had > posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have > been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would h

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Mikel Maron
David, this is complete nonsense. Please stop. -Mikel From: David Murn To: SteveC Cc: "talk@openstreetmap.org" Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 6:15:08 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 01 May 2011 10:52:52 +1000 David Murn wrote: > > Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have > > you ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed? > > For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit > organisation in my country. I think th

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Thanks for your reply. I've fixed your speling and the grammar. and you're punctuation and you have several run-on sentences with tense problems that I am fixed. -russ David Murn writes: > On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: > > > Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread john whelan
Just a comment, I suspect the discussion we are having about the changes to the logo and license etc are a symptom of something much deeper. I do get the feeling that there is a disconnect between what is being perceived and what the intentions are. There seems to be a perception floating in the

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: > Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have you > ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed? For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit organisation in my country. If we had made decisio

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Nelson
David Murn writes: > On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote: > > You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had > > posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have > > been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would happen. > > What a lo

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Lester Caine writes: > So what is being done for those of us who invested in high > visibility vests which are now obsolete? And those who have paid > for printing which now needs to be redone. Mellow out, Lester. Conrail hasn't existed in the US since 1999, and there are still locomotives that

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote: > You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had > posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have > been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would happen. What a load of bollocks. Has the OSMF ever ch

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Robert Naylor
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:43:09 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: The point I am trying to make is did anybody changing the logo even consider the other areas that money would have been spent? I see pictures of large banners in addition to the vests which no longer match the current style of the

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > I see pictures of large banners in addition to the vests which no longer > match the current style of the website! And I see absolutely no problem with this. The new logo is not at all substantially different from the old one. It is a stylist

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Lester Caine wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Also how much stock of the current logo version is left on the shelves of those supplying it? I have no idea but if it were my stock, I'd probably re-print the old logo without a second thought. And just take the hit on the wasted costs out of th

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Lester Caine
Frederik Ramm wrote: Also how much stock of the current logo version is left on the shelves of those supplying it? I have no idea but if it were my stock, I'd probably re-print the old logo without a second thought. And just take the hit on the wasted costs out of their own pocket? The point

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Ilya Zverev
Since this mailing list is about the new logo now, I'd like to point out some things concerning it that got "broken". First of all, wiki logo was a bit different from osm.org: it had a little "W" in the corner. The new logo's contrast is too low, so the favicon is not recognizable at a glance. A

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Lester Caine wrote: So http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg is not going to be changed? That vest uses a logo that differs much *more* from the old web page logo that the newly installed logo on the web page does. So if your reasoning is that what is on the web p

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Lester Caine wrote: > > Calm down. Our merchanidse is not "out of date" just because the logo > > has been touched up. > So http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg is not > going to be changed? At least it does say who we are working for, while > the new logo is just a fussy p

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Lester Caine
Frederik Ramm wrote: Calm down. Our merchanidse is not "out of date" just because the logo has been touched up. So http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg is not going to be changed? At least it does say who we are working for, while the new logo is just a fussy picture whic

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread john
have been discussed, or at least announced, well in advance, not done as a surprise to everyone except whatever committee made the change. ---Original Email------- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki >From :mailto:frede...@remote.org Date :Sat Apr 30 16:27:19 America/Chicago 2

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jochen Topf wrote: > Don't be so hard on the Strategic Working Group. After months of talks > they have actually done something! I think we should celebrate that! > After dipping their toes into many important subjects for the future of > OSM they have chosen the logo change as the most importa

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Lester Caine wrote: So what is being done for those of us who invested in high visibility vests which are now obsolete? And those who have paid for printing which now needs to be redone. A LITTLE notification of such a major change would have been nice. I propose this: From now on, we

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Lester Caine
SteveC wrote: Instead of taking 8 weeks to have a process, let's treat it as 8 weeks where anyone can help fix these theoretical and technical logo issues. It's right there, anyone can help. So who's going to do it? Steve So what is being done for those of us who invested in high visibility

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Kai Krueger
Martijn van Exel-3 wrote: > > Don't get me wrong - I'm not a proponent of any of that corporate identity > Scheiße, but the fact of the matter is that there are innumerable > publications using the now-defunct OSM logo and it's going to confuse > people > if they see a different logo for what we

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Martijn, > > > Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> I'd have to concur. Firstly, a new logo is not something you roll out on >> its own, it's part of a new 'corporate identity' >> > > To be honest, if SWG started forming a "corporate identity subcom

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 April 2011 19:04, Russ Nelson wrote: > Grant Slater writes: >  > Do you think the new logo is an improvement over the old logo? > > If I had only published this logo a month ago, we wouldn't be having > this argument now: > > http://russnelson.com/temp/russ-osm-logo.gif > While amusing, I d

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Grant Slater writes: > Do you think the new logo is an improvement over the old logo? If I had only published this logo a month ago, we wouldn't be having this argument now: http://russnelson.com/temp/russ-osm-logo.gif -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com The first of every month|s

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Simon Poole
I'm not going to answer that. But I did go on record today on the one of German list with the remark, that FOSM does have a sole thing going for it, a better logo, but that was not really difficult. It has just become a tiny bit harder. Simon PS: I don't think it is necessary to discuss eve

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 April 2011 17:32, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/4/30 Frederik Ramm : >> I like the haphazard way in which things are done around here. And I'm not >> saying this tongue-in-cheek, I really do. It gives me hope that we're not >> yet in a situation where every improvement has to go through

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 April 2011 18:21, Simon Poole wrote: > > I just don't see what wanting to avoid flame wars on this list (which will > happen anyway QED), has to do with informing the large majority of > participants in OSM in advance of, not unimportant, changes and events. > Hi Simon, Do you think the ne

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Simon Poole
I just don't see what wanting to avoid flame wars on this list (which will happen anyway QED), has to do with informing the large majority of participants in OSM in advance of, not unimportant, changes and events. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@o

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Steve Coast
Is there an SVG version or did I miss it? On 4/30/2011 9:32 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/30 Frederik Ramm: I like the haphazard way in which things are done around here. And I'm not saying this tongue-in-cheek, I really do. It gives me hope that we're not yet in a situation where every

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I am almost sure that also the original creator would make some small improvements if asked. The motivation to get into details is much higher when it is not a simple draft but you know that the result will be used millions of times in the web... I also suggest to work on a low-res version and a b

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo

2011-04-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Richard Welty wrote: > given that we have a new logo, is it possible to get more size options > uploaded to > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logo How about http://wiki.osm.org/w/images/thumb/7/79/Public-images-osm_logo.svg/256px-Public-images-osm_logo.svg.png or this one? http://wiki.osm.o

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Frederik Ramm : > I like the haphazard way in which things are done around here. And I'm not > saying this tongue-in-cheek, I really do. It gives me hope that we're not > yet in a situation where every improvement has to go through some sort of > complicated three-level approval process.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 April 2011 17:24, SteveC wrote: > > Instead of taking 8 weeks to have a process, let's treat it as 8 weeks where > anyone can help fix these theoretical and technical logo issues. It's right > there, anyone can help. So who's going to do it? > I've updated the OSM logos on Wikipedia, meta

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread SteveC
Come on Martin. Look, yes we can always, always be better at communication. But if we had a process like that we might have got to actually one day putting a new logo up. In the process with all the flames and the people screaming no, and all that, the people actually doing then work would get d

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Mikel Maron
ijn van Exel ; osm Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 11:12:31 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki Mikel and SWG don't have to take all this, I did it so flame me Jochen. Steve stevecoast.com On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:04, Mikel Maron wrote: So tired of the bad attitude in OSM. Perhaps

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > What are you all whining about ? > The new CT clearly transfers most of your rights > to OSMF, and this what happens if you transfer rights > to a self appointed  group of people that have joint > together to do

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 SteveC : > You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted > the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic > discussion on it and nothing would happen. I remember a different process when the foundation got its logo, and it d

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Martijn, Martijn van Exel wrote: I'd have to concur. Firstly, a new logo is not something you roll out on its own, it's part of a new 'corporate identity' To be honest, if SWG started forming a "corporate identity subcommittee" I'd probably run away screaming. (They would provide local chapt

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread SteveC
g to do anything. > > From: Jochen Topf > To: Martijn van Exel > Cc: osm > Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:53:46 AM > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 04:11:52PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

[OSM-talk] New Logo

2011-04-30 Thread Richard Welty
given that we have a new logo, is it possible to get more size options uploaded to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logo i'm working on a presentation, and it'd be nice to put the new logo on the title page, but 120x120 is a bit small. thanks, richard

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On samedi 30 avril 2011 at 17:54, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote : > What are you all whining about ? > The new CT clearly transfers most of your rights > to OSMF, and this what happens if you transfer rights > to a self appointed group of people that have joint > together to

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Mikel Maron
So tired of the bad attitude in OSM. Perhaps you're just trying to be funny Jochen, but really, this makes me want to quit trying to do anything. From: Jochen Topf To: Martijn van Exel Cc: osm Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:53:46 AM Subject: Re: [OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread SteveC
You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would happen. Any progress at all in any direction now means at least 5 or 10 people on this list don't like it.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
What are you all whining about ? The new CT clearly transfers most of your rights to OSMF, and this what happens if you transfer rights to a self appointed group of people that have joint together to do what *they* think is best for OSM, and got the power from the community. This was the first st

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 04:11:52PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange > > that important things like changing the well established logo of the > > project are be

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Mikel Maron : > From: Simon Poole >> While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web >> Design Working Group) > SWG has taken this on because the usability of the site is a the primary way > users, new and old, engage with OSM, there are definitely issues with i

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange > that important things like changing the well established logo of the > project are beeing changed without any discussion or notice on any of > the lists, or did I

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Jonas Krückel
Am 30.04.2011 um 15:55 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > I don't have issues with the process (I wasn't involved in selecting the > old logo so I don't mind others caring for that). But I think that something > is technically wrong with the new logo; I think if you were looking at a > magnif

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: > SWG has taken this on because the usability of the site is a the primary way > users, new and old, engage with OSM, there are definitely issues with it, > and we're trying to put together the right _approach_ to improve it. Unfortunately a lo

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I don't have issues with the process (I wasn't involved in selecting the old logo so I don't mind others caring for that). But I think that something is technically wrong with the new logo; I think if you were looking at a magnifying glass from the angle chosen here, the end of the han

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Mikel Maron
From: Simon Poole > While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web >Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's charter ...), I >believe Martin issue is with the > > rampant re-active instead of pro-active information policy that infects all >parts

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Jonas Krückel
Am 30.04.2011 um 15:05 schrieb Simon Poole: > Grant > > While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web > Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's charter ...), I > believe Martin issue is with the rampant re-active instead of pro-active > informa

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Simon Poole
Grant While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's charter ...), I believe Martin issue is with the rampant re-active instead of pro-active information policy that infects all parts of OSM. Not that I do

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 April 2011 12:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange > that important things like changing the well established logo of the > project are beeing changed without any discussion or notice on any of > the lists, or did I miss somet

[OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange that important things like changing the well established logo of the project are beeing changed without any discussion or notice on any of the lists, or did I miss something? Or was the site hacked? cheers, Martin _

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Zeptomoon wrote: > > Would this tell you or remind you of something? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Cool idea. Would need some tweaking to make it easier on the eyes. The problem is that it looks nasty at the smaller sc

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: >> including but not limited to OpenStreetMap.) > > Interesting that you point it out that way. Because this is exactly not > what I've been perceiving when talking to the board members. I actually > think 'exclusively' might be a better representation of real life. T

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:01, Frederik Ramm schreef: > including but not limited to OpenStreetMap.) Interesting that you point it out that way. Because this is exactly not what I've been perceiving when talking to the board members. I actually think 'exclusive

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Zeptomoon wrote: > Of course, there is room for improvement. > I drafted it this morning. > Feedback? Too bold? Too WIKI? I think it has a funny edge, it looks as if the little people are trapped in a spider web. Maybe change the slogan to: "OSMF... we'll get you sooner or later!" (Obviou

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/5/18 Zeptomoon : > Would this tell you or remind you of something? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png > > > Okay, it steals one element from another (very famous) community > project. But, it's still very distinct. > After all, there is some thing that c

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Zeptomoon
Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Okay, it steals one element from another (very famous) community project. But, it's still very distinct. After all, there is some thing that connects us: "The Free WIKI world ma

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM, SteveC wrote: > > Yes you could take the existing logo and just make it red or something, > > but that's just not nearly as appealing as changing it fundamentally > > because there's a sea of other ideas out there that are

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 SteveC : > You couldn't sort of extrapolate forward from a GIS system to OSM. You > couldn't extrapolate from crappy Nokia phones forward to the > iPhone > (without hindsight, of course). I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. You can't compare a logo (an abstract graphic w

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