Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Warin]

On 01-Nov-17 03:10 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote:



On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


On 01-Nov-17 09:24 AM, Stephane Goldstein wrote:


B)
depreciate landuse=forest and introduce a clearly defined
landuse=forestry that only includes tree areas that produce
base material for human use.

Managed forest for product harvesting  are commonly identified as
Plantations,


Possibly in your area of the world.
But not in Australia.


I live in Tasmania, and work in forestry.
http://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/forestsaustralia/profiles/industrial-plantations


Ha. Sorry .. one of the 'common' people here ..  'forests' is the term I 
come across regularly.
"pine plantations" might be a goer .. but I would not use that term for 
hardwood forests amongst the 'common' people.
I would take a 'plantation' to be a uniform row on row planting, quite a 
few hardwood forests are not configured this way. Thus they don't fit 
with my perception of a 'plantation'.


In Alabama plantations were cotton farms .. but are now houses?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plantations_in_Alabama
Looks to be similar now in adjacent states.

Plantation is used for more than timber .. and that is a problem in that 
people will use it for all the other things ... just like they have used 
landuse=forest inappropriately.


If OSM were to have landuse=plantation there would need to be a further 
tag 
plantation=cotton/tobacco/coffee/sugar_cane/trees/banana///house/bushes/*


Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing and then 
harvesting?? And don't mean anything else?

The closest I have is 'forestry'.



My Dictionary says plantation means;
1) a farm or estate, especially in a tropical or sub tropical
country, on which cotton, tabacco, coffee, sugar or the like is
cultivated, usually by resident labours.
2) a group of planted trees or plants
[late ME from planting]



which I think would be most appropriate term for landuse tag in
that case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplantation



Those too include things other than trees, and even with trees
they don't exclude trees not intended for production of material
for human use.



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[OSM-ja] OpenStreetMap Advent Calendar 2017

[Zoar.]

ぞあ. です。

昨年同様 Qiita でアドベントカレンダーの作成が始まっていたので2017年版の OSM アドベントカレンダーを用意しました。

http://qiita.com/advent-calendar/2017/osmjp

今年の振り返り、自己紹介、自分のマッピング法や「こんなの書いたから見て！」やその裏話まで OSM に関する事を書いて楽しさを分かち合いましょう！

昨年、一昨年の様子はこちらからどうぞ
http://qiita.com/advent-calendar/2016/osmjp
http://qiita.com/advent-calendar/2015/osmjp


アドベントカレンダーとは…


アドベントカレンダー（Advent calendar）は、クリスマスまでの期間に日数を数える
ために使用されるカレンダーである。アドベントの期間（イエス・キリストの降誕を
待ち望む期間）に窓を毎日ひとつずつ開けていくカレンダーである。すべての窓を開け
終わるとクリスマスを迎えたことになる。

Wikipedia より
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%89%E3%83%99%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC

日本ではITエンジニアを中心にしたアドベントカレンダーでは窓を開けるとお菓子ではなくテーマに沿った記事へのリンクが出てくるものをいいますが厳密な定義はない模様です。


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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Stephane Goldstein]

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01-Nov-17 09:24 AM, Stephane Goldstein wrote:
>
> B)
>> depreciate landuse=forest and introduce a clearly defined
>> landuse=forestry that only includes tree areas that produce base material
>> for human use.
>>
>
> Managed forest for product harvesting  are commonly identified as
> Plantations,
>
>
> Possibly in your area of the world.
> But not in Australia.
>

I live in Tasmania, and work in forestry.
http://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/forestsaustralia/profiles/industrial-plantations


>
> My Dictionary says plantation means;
> 1) a farm or estate, especially in a tropical or sub tropical country, on
> which cotton, tabacco, coffee, sugar or the like is cultivated, usually by
> resident labours.
> 2) a group of planted trees or plants
> [late ME from planting]
>
>
> which I think would be most appropriate term for landuse tag in that case.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplantation
>
>
> Those too include things other than trees, and even with trees they don't
> exclude trees not intended for production of material for human use.
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2017-10-31 06:37 PM, James wrote:
> not sure what that format is, but it's completely useless, need so much
> processing, might as well just fix them via OSMI

what, the Shapefile that Martin linked to?

Anyway, I took a look at some of the problems in my neighbourhood. A lot
date back to Canvec road import from 2010 or so. Some are clearly
mis-keyings, others a bit more subtle:

* Eglinton Avenue should be Eglinton Avenue East

* similarly, there are a few Lawrence Ave Es that should be Lawrence Ave
East

* Looks like some heuristics got to Mackinac Crescent and made it the
faux-Scottish MacKinac Crescent. Even in Scotland we don't bother trying
to normalize Mac/Mc/mac /M' variants.

* a couple of 'St Clair' and 'St Quentin's, even though it looks very
unwieldy in full form: Saint Clair Avenue East

I'm fixing what I can, but it's dull work

cheers,
 Stewart

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[Talk-TW] 東吳大學GIS中心在士林一帶的wheelmap mapping

[Dongpo Deng]

Hi Mappers,

很高興東吳大學許社工系凱翔老師帶領學生在士林一帶進行Wheelmap mapping，今年SotM
Taiwan他們也極積來會議中和一些有經驗的mappers互動，如果有人有興趣，或對於他們的製圖有想法要提供，都可以和他們直接連絡，以下是許老師想轉發的訊息，總之就是，大家有空一起來幫忙啦!

Happy mapping,
Dongpo

==
大家好，我是東吳大學社工系的許凱翔，今年我們人社院GIS中心辦了一個活動，讓學生在十月到十一月間，利用Wheelmap的App對士林區的商家做無障礙環境調查。因為所有的學生都是初次接觸OSM及Wheelmap，尚不知是否能順利運作，不足之處，還請各位多多給予指導及協助。

這次參與活動的學生名單如下，若有建議指教，可以直接email給中心助理fish~ (fish3...@gmail.com)
或是我（case...@scu.edu.tw），希望這次的投入，能是個好的開始。
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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[Kent Jacobs]

I’ve created an Eventbrite page for the mapathon.

 

https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/carleton-university-building-canada-2020-openstreetmap-mapathon-tickets-39467928637?utm_term=eventurl_text

 

If you’re attending register here so I have an idea of how many people are 
attending.

 

Thanks!

 

Kent

 

From: Kent Jacobs [mailto:kent.jac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: October 31, 2017 3:33 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

 

I just found out that Wi-Fi shouldn't be a problem. My thesis supervisor said 
he has Wi-Fi setup in the room next door and we could use it.

Now to get the word out there!

Kent

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From: Kent Jacobs  >
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:45:06 AM
To: James
Cc: john whelan; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon 

 

Hi all!

So a room is booked for 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm on Friday, November 17 in the 
Carleton Loeb Building room A-200. 

I'm still working on the guest Wi-Fi access. If worse comes to worse.. I could 
probably log you in.

Kent

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From: James  >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:43:43 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: john whelan; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon 

 

if its friday afternoon I'm available as well

 

On Oct 28, 2017 12:29 PM, "Kent Jacobs"  > wrote:

Tracey, would you be willing to look into room availability for Friday, Nov 
17th?

John, I know that students can access Wi-Fi through their student accounts. 
They should have a guest access as well.

Kent

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From: john whelan  >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:06:56 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org  
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon 

 

I'd go Friday then as making it easier for the students to attend should get a 
few more in and they are the target after all.  I don't think you need that 
many helpers unless the number of students is very high.

 

Those who aren't students will probably need wifi setting up.  An overhead 
projector with a laptop would be helpful.

 

Cheerio John

 

On 28 October 2017 at 11:11, Kent Jacobs  > wrote:

The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would already be 
on campus. 

Kent

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From: john whelan  >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
To: Kent Jacobs 


Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

 

I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.

 

Cheerio John

 

On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs  > wrote:

Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?

Kent

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From: James  >
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
To: Tracey P. Lauriault
Cc: Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 


Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

 

On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might prevent 
people)

 

On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault"  > wrote:

Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe ateium is 
grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work 
around stuff. 



On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James  > wrote:

Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be figured out 
based on availability of rooms

 

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs  > wrote:

Thank you all for the responses!

 

I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is approaching 
quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and space to hold the 
Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This is after Nov. 14th event 
at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where I believe Statistics Canada will 
be giving a presentation on their OSM project 
(https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592).

 

I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an 
option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear 
that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.  If anybody else 
is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas.

 

Kent

 

From: Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: John Marshall  >
Cc: James  >; Kent Jacobs 

Re: [Talk-es] Ediciones realizadas como función de un puesto de trabajo

[Iván Hernández Cazorla]

Buenas Miguel,
Totalmente de acuerdo. En OSM se trabaja con datos que son menos 
susceptibles a la subjetividad, a pesar de que haya algunos que lo 
puedan ser o a las propias descripciones. Fuese como fuese, si una 
tienda quiere agregarse, mientras lo haga bien y se atenga a las 
políticas, no hay ningún problema.


Está bien distinguir entre esas dos categorías de ediciones que indicas. 
Aunque no sé exactamente en cuál de ellas se englobarían las ediciones 
que pretendo realizar en este proyecto. En mi caso, posiblemente trabaje 
bastantes elementos, pero no se realizarán ediciones en 
masa/importaciones. Todo será trabajo manual y verificado por mí mismo. 
Tampoco habrá más personas mapeando.


De cara a este proyecto, la creación o no de un usuario dependerá 
principalmente de las preferencias que establezcamos en las próximas 
reuniones. Si, para ese entonces, OSM ha establecido que para estas 
cuestiones es necesario que se cree un usuario para el proyecto, se 
creará sí o sí. Expondré que ya no es una cuestión de que se prefiera 
una u otra manera, sino de que es una política. Hacerlo con uno u otro 
usuario no lo veo, en el caso de OSM, tan relevante. Ahora, sí creo que 
debe documentarse todo: objetivos, zona de trabajo, miembros ―en este 
caso yo― y el método de trabajo. También se podría llevar a cabo, como 
comenté en mi anterior correo, un diario de trabajo, ya sea en entradas 
del diario o en la wiki.


Las ediciones que se hagan serán no solo de utilidad para OSM, sino 
también para el proyecto. En cuanto pueda les iré contando más. Solo sé 
que si todo va bien, puede quedar algo bastante interesante.


De cara a otros proyectos. Creo que deberíamos aprovechar el empujón que 
ya ha dado la comunidad con la encuesta y el que estamos haciendo con 
este caso que les comento. Definir estas cuestiones y configurar un 
proceso estaría genial de cara a futuros casos. Si tuviésemos esa 
información en la wiki, podríamos redirigir a ella a todo aquel que esté 
interesado. Ya hay documentación relacionada con las importaciones [1] 
y, concretamente, existe una guía para realizarlas [2]. No sé si ya 
existe esto que comento. Al menos yo no he encontrado nada en la wiki. A 
excepción de la encuesta, que conocí gracias a Esther, poco más he leído.


Por mi parte, siempre insistiré a las instituciones que utilicen OSM. 
Soy el «pesado» del conocimiento libre, siempre que puedo les suelto mi 
discurso sobre el conocimiento libre, su importancia y lo que aporta a 
la humanidad.


Miguel, muchas gracias por tu respuesta. Me alegra saber que mi caso 
pueda servir para moldear esta cuestión. Y, lo dicho, en cuanto pueda 
les iré desvelando detalles; ya no por este tema, sino para que vayan 
conociendo el proyecto.


Seguimos en contacto.

Saludos, Iván

[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
[2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

On 30/10/17 10:33, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote:

Hola,

Gracias Iván por lanzar esta cuestión para el debate y a Esther por 
traer a colación documentos que yo desconocía.


Creo muy necesario hacer una reflexión sobre el tema puesto que a 
diferencia de Wikipedia, y por la naturaleza de los datos de OSM, las 
aportaciones que se hagan sobre la base de datos espacial del proyecto 
difieren. Y es que, a priori, los datos cartográficos/espaciales son más 
objetivos que un texto de características enciclopédicas. O sea bajo 
unas coordenadas habrá un elemento y no otro, por lo que, por ejemplo, 
es difícil que alguien use OSM para promocionarse. Es más, si alguien 
quiere dar visibilidad (publicidad) a, por ejemplo las tiendas/comercios 
de su marca en OSM, sin entrar, claro en que se hagan ediciones 
incorrectas (etiquetados aberrantes o introducción de elementos 
inexistentes), creo que todo el mundo es bienvenido y las aportaciones 
serán agradecidas.


Ahora bien, y centrándonos en las ediciones que pueden ser o no 
remunertadas (yo las llamaría "ediciones patrocinadas"), bajo mi punto 
de vista, hay que distinguir entre ediciones menores y ediciones mayores:


- Las ediciones menores, aquellas de poco calado, con pocos elementos 
implicados, creo que podrían no estar sujetas a ningún etiquetado 
especial. Podría ser, por ejemplo, que los comerciantes de tu calle te 
pidan que introduzcas los datos de sus negocios en OSM y te paguen por 
ello. Sinceramente, si el trabajo de introducción de datos ha sido 
remunerado o no, para estas cosas es cuestión más personal que del 
proyecto, lo importante es que la base de datos se enriquezca. Si se 
etiqueta adecuadamente el changeset y se comentan las fuentes haciendo 
referencia a algún tipo de contrato/vinculación para la introducción de 
datos pues mejor, pero a priori podría ser un trabajo que podrías hacer 
tú por voluntad propia y es del carácter participativo original del OSM.


- Ahora bien, las ediciones mayores, aquellas que involucran la 
introducción de una gran cantidad de datos, han de ser 

[talk-au] Sydney OSM Workshop

[Andrew Harvey]

I've been keen to organise a workshop in Sydney around OpenStreetMap and
looking to make it happen later this month.

1. To help get more people involved with OSM, as both:
a) contributors and,
b) consumers

2. Provide an opportunity for people to share what they are up to with OSM
both:
a) mapping related and,
b) things being built with OSM

3. Provide a place for the local OSM community (both mappers and consumers)
to network and socialise

Perth has http://geogeeks.org/
Melbourne has https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/Maptime-Melbourne/
Brisbane has had some mapathon/mapping parties recently

I'm thinking of something similar in Sydney mixed between talks,
socialising and hands on workshops.

To this end "Maptime" is one brand to run it under, and at least initially
I've been talking with someone else who want's to run a Maptime event in
Sydney to run one around OSM.

Is anyone else interested in seeing this happen? I'm interested to hear
from anyone who's also keen on this.

At this stage it will be a weekday evening in the CDB (we have two venue
options for around 15-20 people in a workshop setting) sometime the week of
the 20th. I was planning on doing an intro to OSM, but is anyone interested
in giving a short talk, demo or workshop as part of this?
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Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 31. Oct 2017, at 19:59, Walter Nordmann  wrote:
> 
> Damit sollte klar sein, dass der Begriff "Mitte" durchaus in Daun verwendet 
> wird - auch wenn es kein selbstständiger Ortsteil laut Satzung ist. Somit 
> sollte die Fläche in OSM behalten werden.



admin Gebiete sollten offizielle Namen haben, diese stehen im 
Gesetz/Ordnung/Verfassung etc.

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[Pierre Béland]

Martin, utiliser MapRoulette pour une telle opération ne me semble pas 
approprié à moins de vouloir faire un simple Revert pour revenir à la situation 
précédente. Qui dit que les contributeurs connaitront les règles de jumelage 
Addresse - Nom de rue, les adresses individuelles ou les interpolations et les 
règles propres à chaque province pour l'écriture des noms?  Aussi, on retrouve 
souvent pour une même rue plusieurs éléments à corriger. Il vaut mieux les 
traiter tous simultanément. Dans JOSM, le style «Coloured Streets» permet de 
localiser les problèmes et de vérifier si les corrections sont correctes. 
Quelque 24h plus tard, une fois OSMI mis à jour, il est possible de réviser la 
zone pour s'assurer que tout est bien corrigé.
C'est la procédure que j'ai suivi pour le Québec en 2016 la requête Overpass 
ci-dessous pour extraire uniquement les données d'adresses et de rues. De cette 
façon, à l'aide du style «Coloured Streets», on visualise mieux les objets à 
éditer.
voir http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sIh
 
Pierre 
 

Le mardi 31 octobre 2017 18:40:29 HAE, Martijn van Exel  a 
écrit :  
 
 This comes directly out of OSMI, it may be useful to create a MapRoulette 
challenge or similar if we wanted to go that route.
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:37 PM, James  wrote:

not sure what that format is, but it's completely useless, need so much 
processing, might as well just fix them via OSMI

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:

  
No ideas from me... I was doing the Ottawa area manually.  It takes a while 
because you need to review the history of both the street and the address to 
see which one was most recently changed so you know which one to correct... 
plus add comments on the change that caused it to be out of alignment so people 
are aware.  (I didn't comment on every change... once I found a pattern, I 
stopped commenting).
 
There are still a few in Ottawa that don't match up.  Either because the 
address and the street are far apart and it is a false-positive error, or the 
capitalization on the street names don't match... I'm waiting (for 3 months 
now) for the City of Ottawa to get back to me on what is the correct name and 
then I will fix either the street or the address accordingly.   So long way of 
saying, anything within the bounds of the City of Ottawa, I will fix.
 
 On 2017-10-31 06:11 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
  We started fixing this in the Ottawa region, but the problem is bigger than 
just around the ways that our team updated. I updated the ticket with a dump 
that we got from OSMI. We are looking at how to best approach this pretty 
significant fix up task. I will keep you updated. In the mean time, if you have 
any ideas for how to approach this, let me know. Thanks! Martijn 
  
 On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote: 
  Hi all,  
  Matthew Darwin pointed out on Github that some street name updates by the 
Telenav team lead to 'orphaned' address nodes. The ticket is here: 
https://github.com/Telen avMapping/mapping-projects/ issues/34  
  This is just to let you know that we are aware and planning to fix soonest. 
  Thanks and my apologies. Let us know if you encountered this anywhere else. 
  Martijn   
  
  
  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Warin]

On 01-Nov-17 09:24 AM, Stephane Goldstein wrote:


B)
depreciate landuse=forest and introduce a clearly defined
landuse=forestry that only includes tree areas that produce base
material for human use.

Managed forest for product harvesting  are commonly identified as 
Plantations,


Possibly in your area of the world.
But not in Australia.

My Dictionary says plantation means;
1) a farm or estate, especially in a tropical or sub tropical country, 
on which cotton, tabacco, coffee, sugar or the like is cultivated, 
usually by resident labours.

2) a group of planted trees or plants
[late ME from planting]



which I think would be most appropriate term for landuse tag in that case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplantation


Those too include things other than trees, and even with trees they 
don't exclude trees not intended for production of material for human use.



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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Michael Kugelmann]

Am 31.10.2017 um 14:59 schrieb Richard:

Ich halte es für ziemlich absurd wenn plötzlich für Kittenhausen/92342 ein
name:ja auftauchen sollte. Die wenigen Japaner die sich in die Ecke
verirren werden sich darüber kaum freuen und so ein Name kann eigentlich
nur ein vanity name, Hoax oder "Raubkopie" sein.


Woher willst Du das denn wissen? Vielleicht sind irgendwelche Japaner da 
im Urlaub und erhalten Besuch von Ihren japanischen Freunden oder 
[was-auch-immer]. Warum grundlos ausschliessen? Warum irgendwelche 
Annahmen treffen die jetzt im Moment speziell für Dich logisch 
erscheinen, aber völlig unnötig und ohne Grund sind? Und dann kommt ein 
Fall den Du nicht absehen kannst und die "ohne Grund eingeführte 
Super-Regel" ist ein Problem und muss extra wegdiskutiert werden.  :-(
Und das alles nur weil ein paar Deutsche eine übertriebene Panik vor 
(Neo-)Nazis haben. Ich will da absolut nichts beschönigen (nur dass da 
nichts falsch rüberkommt). Aber teilweise fehlt in Deutschland etwas 
Selbstbewusstsein und Nationalstolz. Wir sollten das vergleichen mal mit 
Amerikanern oder Briten oder Franzosen oder Japanern oder 




Just my 2 cents,
Michael.

PS: nur noch mal zur Klarstellung: ich distanziere micht ausdrücklich 
von jeglichem extremistischem Gedankengut, sei es link oder rechts. Und 
es ist eine Schande was Deutsche teilweise in der Vergangenheit 
angestellt haben. Und so etwas darf nie wieder passieren. Aber dass kann 
und darf nicht der Grund sein jegliche Normalität wie sie weltweit 
(außer Deutschland) gelebt wird über Bord zu werfen.



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Re: [Talk-es] Ediciones problemáticas usuario JUANBARDANCA88HD

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola,

Así, a bote pronto, lo que se me ocurre es revertir todas sus ediciones
pero antes, por si acaso, ya que tienes la consulta de overpass, salvar
esas ediciones y si quiere, se le ofrece al propio usuario para que las
revise y si acaso las vuelva a incluir pero correctamente.

Si comprobamos que se trata de vandalismo pues habría que ponerlo en
conocimiento del DWG.

Un saludo

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2017-10-31 21:26 GMT+01:00 Rodrigo Rega :

> Hola,
>
> Me he encontrado con que el usuario JUANBARDANCA88HD [1] ha añadido
> contenido al mapa que no es correcto. Entiendo que no es un caso de
> vandalismo, si no de desconocimiento.
>
> Entre los problemas que he detectado están:
> - Múltiples nodos en la misma zona etiquetados como "name=monte,
> place=locality" [2].
> - Múltiples puntos sin etiquetas: [3,4].
>
> Me he puesto en contacto con el usuario vía mensajería de OSM para
> informarle de esta problemática y para tratar de que no siga añadiendo
> datos erróneos.
>
> Podría proceder a arreglar estos problemas o hacer revert, pero son unos
> 2.600 conjuntos de cambios (todos hechos durante un mes). Por lo que no
> tengo recursos para poder hacer tantas revisiones.
>
> ¿Procedería acudir al DWG para que apliquen una solución técnica a estos
> datos incorrectos? ¿Actuamos desde la comunidad local?
>
> Dejo por aquí una consulta de overpass para ver sus ediciones: [5].
>
> Un saludo.
>
>
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JUANBARDANCA88HD
> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.1718/-8.7415=ND
> [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.1738/-8.8096=ND
> [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5170078692#map=16/43.
> 1829/-8.7354=ND
> [5] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sHZ
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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[Martijn van Exel]

This comes directly out of OSMI, it may be useful to create a MapRoulette
challenge or similar if we wanted to go that route.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:37 PM, James  wrote:

> not sure what that format is, but it's completely useless, need so much
> processing, might as well just fix them via OSMI
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Matthew Darwin 
> wrote:
>
>> No ideas from me... I was doing the Ottawa area manually.  It takes a
>> while because you need to review the history of both the street and the
>> address to see which one was most recently changed so you know which one to
>> correct... plus add comments on the change that caused it to be out of
>> alignment so people are aware.  (I didn't comment on every change... once I
>> found a pattern, I stopped commenting).
>>
>> There are still a few in Ottawa that don't match up.  Either because the
>> address and the street are far apart and it is a false-positive error, or
>> the capitalization on the street names don't match... I'm waiting (for 3
>> months now) for the City of Ottawa to get back to me on what is the correct
>> name and then I will fix either the street or the address accordingly.   So
>> long way of saying, anything within the bounds of the City of Ottawa, I
>> will fix.
>> On 2017-10-31 06:11 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We started fixing this in the Ottawa region, but the problem is bigger
>> than just around the ways that our team updated. I updated the ticket with
>> a dump that we got from OSMI. We are looking at how to best approach this
>> pretty significant fix up task. I will keep you updated. In the mean time,
>> if you have any ideas for how to approach this, let me know. Thanks!
>> Martijn
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Matthew Darwin pointed out on Github that some street name updates by the
>> Telenav team lead to 'orphaned' address nodes. The ticket is here:
>> https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues/34
>>
>> This is just to let you know that we are aware and planning to fix
>> soonest.
>>
>> Thanks and my apologies. Let us know if you encountered this anywhere
>> else.
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[James]

not sure what that format is, but it's completely useless, need so much
processing, might as well just fix them via OSMI

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:

> No ideas from me... I was doing the Ottawa area manually.  It takes a
> while because you need to review the history of both the street and the
> address to see which one was most recently changed so you know which one to
> correct... plus add comments on the change that caused it to be out of
> alignment so people are aware.  (I didn't comment on every change... once I
> found a pattern, I stopped commenting).
>
> There are still a few in Ottawa that don't match up.  Either because the
> address and the street are far apart and it is a false-positive error, or
> the capitalization on the street names don't match... I'm waiting (for 3
> months now) for the City of Ottawa to get back to me on what is the correct
> name and then I will fix either the street or the address accordingly.   So
> long way of saying, anything within the bounds of the City of Ottawa, I
> will fix.
> On 2017-10-31 06:11 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> We started fixing this in the Ottawa region, but the problem is bigger
> than just around the ways that our team updated. I updated the ticket with
> a dump that we got from OSMI. We are looking at how to best approach this
> pretty significant fix up task. I will keep you updated. In the mean time,
> if you have any ideas for how to approach this, let me know. Thanks!
> Martijn
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Matthew Darwin pointed out on Github that some street name updates by the
> Telenav team lead to 'orphaned' address nodes. The ticket is here:
> https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues/34
>
> This is just to let you know that we are aware and planning to fix soonest.
>
> Thanks and my apologies. Let us know if you encountered this anywhere else.
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[Matthew Darwin]

No ideas from me... I was doing the Ottawa area manually.  It takes a 
while because you need to review the history of both the street and 
the address to see which one was most recently changed so you know 
which one to correct... plus add comments on the change that caused it 
to be out of alignment so people are aware. (I didn't comment on every 
change... once I found a pattern, I stopped commenting).


There are still a few in Ottawa that don't match up.  Either because 
the address and the street are far apart and it is a false-positive 
error, or the capitalization on the street names don't match... I'm 
waiting (for 3 months now) for the City of Ottawa to get back to me on 
what is the correct name and then I will fix either the street or the 
address accordingly.   So long way of saying, anything within the 
bounds of the City of Ottawa, I will fix.


On 2017-10-31 06:11 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:

Hi all,

We started fixing this in the Ottawa region, but the problem is 
bigger than just around the ways that our team updated. I updated 
the ticket with a dump that we got from OSMI. We are looking at how 
to best approach this pretty significant fix up task. I will keep 
you updated. In the mean time, if you have any ideas for how to 
approach this, let me know. Thanks!

Martijn

On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Martijn van Exel > wrote:


Hi all,

Matthew Darwin pointed out on Github that some street name updates 
by the Telenav team lead to 'orphaned' address nodes. The ticket is 
here: https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues/34


This is just to let you know that we are aware and planning to fix 
soonest.


Thanks and my apologies. Let us know if you encountered this 
anywhere else.


Martijn




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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Stephane Goldstein]

>
> B)
> depreciate landuse=forest and introduce a clearly defined landuse=forestry
> that only includes tree areas that produce base material for human use.
>

Managed forest for product harvesting  are commonly identified as
Plantations, which I think would be most appropriate term for landuse tag
in that case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplantation
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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

We started fixing this in the Ottawa region, but the problem is bigger than 
just around the ways that our team updated. I updated the ticket with a dump 
that we got from OSMI. We are looking at how to best approach this pretty 
significant fix up task. I will keep you updated. In the mean time, if you have 
any ideas for how to approach this, let me know. Thanks!
Martijn

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Matthew Darwin pointed out on Github that some street name updates by the 
> Telenav team lead to 'orphaned' address nodes. The ticket is here: 
> https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues/34 
>  
> 
> This is just to let you know that we are aware and planning to fix soonest.
> 
> Thanks and my apologies. Let us know if you encountered this anywhere else.
> 
> Martijn

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Warin]

On 01-Nov-17 02:26 AM, Christian Rogel wrote:


"Landuse=forest" may remain for large forests off the inhabited places.



No!

Only if the tree area is to be used for the production of material for 
human use.


IF not then it is not a 'land use' but a 'land cover' and should not be 
tagged 'landuse'.


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[Talk-es] Ediciones problemáticas usuario JUANBARDANCA88HD

[Rodrigo Rega]

Hola,

Me he encontrado con que el usuario JUANBARDANCA88HD [1] ha añadido
contenido al mapa que no es correcto. Entiendo que no es un caso de
vandalismo, si no de desconocimiento.

Entre los problemas que he detectado están:
- Múltiples nodos en la misma zona etiquetados como "name=monte,
place=locality" [2].
- Múltiples puntos sin etiquetas: [3,4].

Me he puesto en contacto con el usuario vía mensajería de OSM para
informarle de esta problemática y para tratar de que no siga añadiendo
datos erróneos.

Podría proceder a arreglar estos problemas o hacer revert, pero son unos
2.600 conjuntos de cambios (todos hechos durante un mes). Por lo que no
tengo recursos para poder hacer tantas revisiones.

¿Procedería acudir al DWG para que apliquen una solución técnica a estos
datos incorrectos? ¿Actuamos desde la comunidad local?

Dejo por aquí una consulta de overpass para ver sus ediciones: [5].

Un saludo.


[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JUANBARDANCA88HD
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.1718/-8.7415=ND
[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.1738/-8.8096=ND
[4]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5170078692#map=16/43.1829/-8.7354=ND
[5] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sHZ

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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[Kent Jacobs]

I just found out that Wi-Fi shouldn't be a problem. My thesis supervisor said 
he has Wi-Fi setup in the room next door and we could use it.

Now to get the word out there!

Kent

From: Kent Jacobs 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:45:06 AM
To: James
Cc: john whelan; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

Hi all!

So a room is booked for 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm on Friday, November 17 in the 
Carleton Loeb Building room A-200.

I'm still working on the guest Wi-Fi access. If worse comes to worse.. I could 
probably log you in.

Kent

From: James 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:43:43 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: john whelan; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

if its friday afternoon I'm available as well

On Oct 28, 2017 12:29 PM, "Kent Jacobs" 
> wrote:
Tracey, would you be willing to look into room availability for Friday, Nov 
17th?

John, I know that students can access Wi-Fi through their student accounts. 
They should have a guest access as well.

Kent

From: john whelan >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:06:56 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I'd go Friday then as making it easier for the students to attend should get a 
few more in and they are the target after all.  I don't think you need that 
many helpers unless the number of students is very high.

Those who aren't students will probably need wifi setting up.  An overhead 
projector with a laptop would be helpful.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 11:11, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would already be 
on campus.

Kent

From: john whelan >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
To: Kent Jacobs

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?

Kent

From: James >
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
To: Tracey P. Lauriault
Cc: Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might prevent 
people)

On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
> wrote:
Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe ateium is 
grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work 
around stuff.


On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James 
> wrote:
Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be figured out 
based on availability of rooms

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
Thank you all for the responses!

I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is approaching 
quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and space to hold the 
Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This is after Nov. 14th event 
at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where I believe Statistics Canada will 
be giving a presentation on their OSM project 
(https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592).

I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an 
option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear 
that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.  If anybody else 
is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas.

Kent

From: Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: John Marshall 
Cc: James ; Kent Jacobs ; Talk-CA 
OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I am glad I provided the How NOT to do template ;)
Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall  wrote:
I'm also available.

John

On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)

On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:
Hello all!

I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at Carleton 
University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for 

[Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

[Bob Hawkins]

I wish to add my own pennies’ worth from a walker’s and mapper’s perspective on 
three matters:
1. The portrayal of barriers: we know kissing gates are not rendered in OSM but 
are rendered in Andy Townsend’s map.  In neither case, though, do barriers 
stand out strongly enough, in my opinion.  I created coloured images of a gate, 
kissing gate and stile for use with my Garmin eTrex Legend many years ago for 
this reason.  I continue to use them now in Locus Map on my smartphone.  I wish 
more attention would be applied; to place an appropriate image within a square, 
even, so that they are more visible.
2. Permissive paths: I do not understand “permissive paths need showing; Andy's 
cartography does not yet do this but again this is something I have experience 
with.”  Woodhouse Farm in Ipsden, South Oxfordshire has provided a permissive 
footpath and permissive bridleways.  Both are shown on Andy’s map 
(https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15=53.11419=-1.31171):
 the footpath is overlaid with a pink dashed line and the bridleway is shown as 
others, simply.  I wonder what is the intention so far as permissive paths are 
concerned?  Woodhouse Farm has done walkers and horse riders a tremendous 
service by making these paths available.  The alternative PRoW route would have 
to be through woodland, obscuring otherwise beautiful views, which we can enjoy 
so much now.
3. Writing of beautiful views, my final item concerns scenic paths:  I have 
commented elsewhere that I wish paths with scenic views could be treated like 
the road atlases I remember where a green ribbon was placed alongside such 
roads.  I have been unaware that “description” tags have been used in OSM in 
the same way.  I wonder, though, what purpose such a tag achieves, or could 
achieve?

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Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

[Walter Nordmann]

Hi, ihr "Martins" ;)

die Umbenennung in Mitte scheint einigermaßen vernünftig zu sein. Hab 
mir mal den Spass erlaubt und nach "Daun Mitte" zu googeln, mehrere 
Treffer u.A. http://www.doenerfreund.de/liste_Daun-Mitte.html Dazu noch 
Wohnungsanzeigen mit "Daun Mitte". Die Adresssuche ergab auch eine 
korrekte Zuordnung durch Nominatim.


Damit sollte klar sein, dass der Begriff "Mitte" durchaus in Daun 
verwendet wird - auch wenn es kein selbstständiger Ortsteil laut Satzung 
ist. Somit sollte die Fläche in OSM behalten werden.


Gruss
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Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

[Scholtes, Martin]

Hallo Martin,

die "Kernstadt" ist die ursprüngliche Stadt Daun. Mit der Zeit kamen 
Ortsgemeinden hinzu, welche nun die 8 Ortsteile bilden. 
Ich gebe zu, löschen war nicht die eleganteste Lösung. Jedoch war ja meine 
Absicht durch aus begründet, da es keinen Ortsteil namens "Kernstadt" gibt. Hab 
ihn nun geändert in Mitte, was aber immer noch nicht der Wahrheit entspricht. 

Die VG Daun findest du unter Relation 572245. Die Stadt Daun ist Relation 
971034. 

So viel mal dazu 

Lg Martin


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2017 12:34
An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch 
Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

Am 29. Oktober 2017 um 23:21 schrieb Walter Nordmann :

> Jetzt würde ich gerne mal die Begründung hören, wieso gerade die 
> Kernstadt gelöscht wurde aber die anderen 8 Ortsteile nicht ;)



Gem. §2 der Hauptsatzung werden nur die "Ortsbezirke" genannt, nicht die
"Kernstadt":
http://stadt-daun.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Hauptsatzung.pdf
Ggf. ist die Kernstadt die "Stadt Daun"? [1]

Löschen war vermutlich etwas vorschnell, aber ich habe auch keine Hinweise auf 
eine "Kernstadt" gefunden, Umbennung wäre vielleicht besser gewesen.
Insgesamt ist der Fall etwas komplizierter als üblich, es gibt eine 
"Verbandsgemeinde Daun" (nicht in OSM, wenigstens nicht unter diesem Namen), 
eine "Stadt Daun" (ebenfalls nicht in OSM, bzw. als "Daun"),

Hier eine Karte von der Verbandsgemeinde:
http://www.vgv-daun.de/vg_daun/Rathaus%20&%20Gemeinden/Unsere%20Ortsgemeinden/
Dort heisst es sowohl "Daun" als auch "Kreisstadt Daun", gemäß link handelt es 
sich bei der "Stadt Daun" um eine "Ortsgemeinde".

"Kernstadt" scheint mir aber in der Tat eine Erfindung zu sein.


Gruß,
Martin


[1]
http://www.ewois.de/Statistik/user/htmlgen.php?stichtag=30.09.2017=23301501=OG=0723301501
Laut Statistik ist das die "Ortsgemeinde Daun, Stadt"
[2]
http://www.infothek.statistik.rlp.de/MeineHeimat/content.aspx?id=103=0723301501=3=8191
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Re: [Talk-us] 2484 oneway roads in Philadelphia

[Paul Johnson]

Does it also detect the opposite problem?  I'm probably close to about 50%
done getting through it myself now, but Oklahoma City and surrounding areas
have a lot of two way, undivided roads mapped as one-way left over from the
original TIGER import.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Badita Florin 
wrote:

> While writing a article about how to create a translation file, to use in
> Cygnus 
> Conflation Engine, I had chosen Philadelphia as a example.
>
> And I have seen that many of the ways that should be added as oneway are
> missing in OSM, but are present in the Open Data Portal
> After running with Cygnus, I have decided to also see how many of the
> oneway street are in the Open Data Portal, that we don`t have in OSM.
>
> And the results were that much more streets that expected are missing in
> that city.
> In total, Cygnus detected *2484 ways that don`t have the oneway tag added
> in OSM*
>
> It`s not my priority now at Telenav to add them, being a side project, but
> i`m thinking that if I put the data online, somebody could be interested in
> this, they can verify them and add them to the map.
>
> Also, *if you have want to run this in another city, create a translation
> file and I can run it for the city that you are interested in. *
>
> You can download the file from here https://drive.google.com/drive
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Andy Townsend]

On 31/10/2017 16:00, john whelan wrote:


Often they have no knowledge of OpenStreetMap or their local area.  To 
them it's just helping the Red Cross or whatever.


Everybody (unless they're "serving life without parole") has knowledge 
of _some_ local area.  If people really don't know what they're doing in 
OSM, maybe they could better help the Red Cross in some other way?


More generally, it seems to be quite cruel to take someone with no 
knowledge of the climate, landscape and architecture a foreign country 
and with little knowledge of geography and (in the most recent case) map 
scales, and expect them to make sensible additions to OSM.  It's not 
their fault that their contributions are net negative; they've been set 
a near-impossible task.  It's even worse if they're students and they're 
actually going to be assessed on the results.


Someone's creating these tasks and someone (not necessarily the same 
person) is assigning them to brand new mappers.  It seems a real shame 
that they're not bothering to look at what has worked in the past and 
learning from that, not asking for feedback or assistance as they go on 
and not helping HOT volunteers do the thing that they're trying to help 
with - the technical solutions (task manager etc.) are in place but the 
human bit's missing.


Best Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet sur les données vélo en Île-de-France

[Antoine Riche]

Le 31/10/2017 à 16:42, marc marc a écrit :

- génial pour le démarrage du projet
- c'est étonnant la carte des changeset, il y en a un qui va quasi
jusqu'à Toulouse (pas trouvé comment on passait de la carte
au changeset lui-même)
Bizarre en effet, et cette carte ne permet pas de remonter au changeset 
en effet. Il peut arriver de laisser passer le hashtag par mégarde dans 
le commentaire, par exemple si Simon corrige plusieurs signalements 
remontés par Géovélo. Ça ne me semble pas très grave.

- un petit mot sur le matos photo 360° ? si c'est abordable en tant que
particulier, ce serrait intéressant à connaître.
On utilise un LG360, très abordable (150 €) et de qualité correcte (5660 
x 2830 pixels). Elle permet de prendre une photo toutes les 2 secondes, 
on la monte sur un manche fixé au vélo pour qu'elle soit positionnée 
au-dessus de la tête. Plus d'infos sur Mapillary : 
https://github.com/mapillary/UserGuide/wiki/LG-360-Cam-(LGR105). Au GPS 
du smartphone on préfère utiliser un GPS Bluetooth puis corréler la 
trace : compter environ 100 € de plus mais le résultat est de meilleure 
qualité et ça économise la batterie du téléphone.


Antoine.



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[OSM-talk-fr] Recherche intervenant-e Table ronde Libre Information sur les services de Santé

[Guillaume Adrets]

Bonjour,

En prévision de la Cartopartie : Libre information sur les services de 
santé, tous acteurs, tous concernés ! jeudi 16 novembre à Digne. 
 
*Nous recherchons un-e intervenant-e pour une table ronde sur le thème 
"Libre information sur les services de santé, tous acteurs, tous 
concernés !" le 16/11/2017 à Digne (04) à 15h qui puisse amener le point 
de vue de la communauté OSM, l'aspect bien commun, contribution 
collective... idéalement avec une petite idée de ce que sont les données 
santé. La participation sera défrayée.* Autour de la table il y aura a 
minima une élue et une réprésentante de l'Autorité Régionale de Santé, 
et dans le public citoyens, élus, professionnels de santé.



Et en avant première le visuel : 
http://www.adrets-asso.fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/visuel-carto-OSM-santé-web-3.jpg


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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[john whelan]

I don't think that Andy's suggestions will work very well in practice.

The reason is that a maperthon is often organised by someone such as a
teacher who is looked on as an authority figure so their instructions will
carry more weight with the new mappers and the mappers themselves often
take the view that you don't need to read instruction books before use.

I worked with half a dozen maperthon mappers from a US university once.
The person leading the maperthon had optimistic ideas on how much mapping a
new mapper could do or how much would need explaining.  I think I could
have done the mapping they accomplished in a third of the time it took me
to handhold them through the process.  They were what I term disposable
mappers.  They did their project and as far as I know never mapped again.

Often they have no knowledge of OpenStreetMap or their local area.  To them
it's just helping the Red Cross or whatever.  They have no concept of the
economic value of the map.  Nor of the idea that anyone else than the Red
Cross or whomever they are thinking of at the time will want to use it.
They probably have no idea how to respond to a changeset comment or even
what a changeset is.

I'm not sure if anyone has done a study on the economic impact of
OpenStreetMap but I might be interesting to see.

We know that some businesses use OSM to illustrate their location.  I
understand in Bangladesh one of Uber's competitors is paying people to map
in OSM so their drivers know where to go.

Blake mentioned the validation process in HOT.  I spend a fair chunk of
time validating.  It works best with one validator on a project.  You get
to know the mappers and giving them feedback helps motivate them.

Task Manager 3 is supposed to have some improvements over TM2 for
validators.  It looks promising but there are a number of issues that need
sorting out.

The process itself currently means someone with no experience can validate
others work. Fine except you end up with lots of green tiles but you don't
know if you can trust the mapping or the validation.

My personal view is HOT works best where there is little prior mapping and
the impact of adding fifty untagged ways is low.  In an area such as the
West Bank which is policitally sensitive precautions should have been taken
to ensure an experienced validation team was on hand that could verify the
mapping shortly after it was done. The better organised project managers do
have a validation teams for their projects.

HOT project managers are often enthusiastic but sometimes have little idea
of what works best or even how to map.  HOT is working hard to improve
this.  Typically they set a project up then move on.  One or two keep an
eye on their projects but my feeling is that is not the general rule.  They
often have no idea who is organising maperthons using their project.

Instead of map everything in the tile it more common these days to ask for
just buildings or just roads.  This recognises that its simpler to train
new mappers on one or two things than bring them up to speed quickly on
everything.

OSM does retain some of the HOT mappers so not all the work is lost.

As you can tell I'm not one of the world's enthusiastic optimists but it is
getting better slowly and one day my phone will stop correcting my words.

Cheerio John

On 31 Oct 2017 11:00 am, "Andy Townsend"  wrote:

> For info, here's an example changeset discussion comment I've just
> written.  Where new mappers are not quite getting the hang of things it'd
> be great if before someone leaps to the mailing list to either complain
> abot or defend HOT and HOT mappers they could offer them advice and help
> about how to get better:
>
>
> "Hello and welcome to OpenStreetMap!
> Looking at some of the changes here such as $example I think you may be
> "overinterpreting" the imagery somewhat.
> If you look at the different imagery choices available you can get a
> feeling for the scale quite well, and its clear that none or almost none of
> the buildings that you've added here actually are buildings (that's clear
> with both Bing and your custom imagery - in fact your custom imagery, if
> later, suggests that buildings shown on Bing have been removed).
> Assuming you're not in the West Bank at the moment, what I'd suggest is
> that you try mapping things more locally to you first - often it's useful
> to look at the imagery of a place you know well to see how certain features
> look from the air.  It can be difficult to tell roads from e.g. riverbeds
> if you're not careful.
> If you're in $country (guessing, based on your editor locale of $locale
> above) then there are lots of local groups both HOT-based and non-HOT based
> where you can discuss mapping; there are also mailing lists and other
> forums - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact has lots of details.
> Best Regards,
> Andy"
>
> It'd also be great to refer mappers to other learning resources like the
> wiki beginners' guide or 

[Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 376

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 376 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/9517

* Autista malující mapy.
* SK import budov z katastru.
* Budovy v Kanadě v OSM do 2020.
* Nový JOSM plugin pro kruháče.
* Zrušení OSRM pro osm.org.
* Sponzorované členství v Nadaci OSM.
* Rozpočet pro SotM.
* Mapa nezmapovaných míst.
* EU ohrožuje open source.
* Finanční ředitel pro HOT.

Pěkné počtení ...

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using screenshots from OpenStreetMap

[Payne, Tony]

Thanks Martin,

That seem very clear.

With best regards,
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Hello Tony,

you don't need to buy a license (and more generally, it is impossible), but you 
will have to attribute the background image to OpenStreetMap if you publish or 
distribute your application (i.e. from what you write it seems you will have 
to). See here for more information: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright/
Especially, "how to Credit OpenStreetMap".
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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[Kent Jacobs]

Hi all!

So a room is booked for 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm on Friday, November 17 in the 
Carleton Loeb Building room A-200.

I'm still working on the guest Wi-Fi access. If worse comes to worse.. I could 
probably log you in.

Kent

From: James 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:43:43 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: john whelan; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

if its friday afternoon I'm available as well

On Oct 28, 2017 12:29 PM, "Kent Jacobs" 
> wrote:
Tracey, would you be willing to look into room availability for Friday, Nov 
17th?

John, I know that students can access Wi-Fi through their student accounts. 
They should have a guest access as well.

Kent

From: john whelan >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:06:56 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I'd go Friday then as making it easier for the students to attend should get a 
few more in and they are the target after all.  I don't think you need that 
many helpers unless the number of students is very high.

Those who aren't students will probably need wifi setting up.  An overhead 
projector with a laptop would be helpful.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 11:11, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would already be 
on campus.

Kent

From: john whelan >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
To: Kent Jacobs

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?

Kent

From: James >
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
To: Tracey P. Lauriault
Cc: Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might prevent 
people)

On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
> wrote:
Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe ateium is 
grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work 
around stuff.


On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James 
> wrote:
Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be figured out 
based on availability of rooms

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
Thank you all for the responses!

I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is approaching 
quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and space to hold the 
Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This is after Nov. 14th event 
at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where I believe Statistics Canada will 
be giving a presentation on their OSM project 
(https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592).

I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an 
option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear 
that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.  If anybody else 
is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas.

Kent

From: Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: John Marshall 
Cc: James ; Kent Jacobs ; Talk-CA 
OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I am glad I provided the How NOT to do template ;)
Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall  wrote:
I'm also available.

John

On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)

On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:
Hello all!

I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at Carleton 
University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis. I am also 
currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada as a Geomatics 
Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data within the 
department.

I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University with 
Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am reaching 
out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet sur les données vélo en Île-de-France

[marc marc]

Bonjour,

Le 31. 10. 17 à 16:32, Antoine Riche a écrit :
> Pour le moment je suis à l'écoute de vos questions, remarques et 
> suggestions sur la page projet du wiki et sur le projet en général.

- génial pour le démarrage du projet
- c'est étonnant la carte des changeset, il y en a un qui va quasi 
jusqu'à Toulouse (pas trouvé comment on passait de la carte
au changeset lui-même)
- un petit mot sur le matos photo 360° ? si c'est abordable en tant que 
particulier, ce serrait intéressant à connaître.
- bravo pour le soucis de transparence et de qualité !

Cordialement,
Marc
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[Talk-cz] Nastal čas na kontrolu překladů wiki.openstreetmap.org?

[majka]

Počasí se nám horší a večer je brzy tma...

Řekla bych, že nastal čas začít kontrolovat, zda se nám neliší
překlady na wiki.openstreetmap.org od anglické verze, případně u
některých stránek od německé verze.

Máme nějaký mechanismus, jak to udělat ve více lidech, případně jak si
usnadnit práci?

Ideálně by bylo vhodné předpřipravit seznam stránek, které je třeba
zkontrolovat (tedy EN, případně DE verze je novější než verze CS) a
mít nějakou kontrolu toho, co je kdy odkontrolováno.

Osobně jsem na webové stránce skončila tím, že by pro průběžnou
automatickou kontrolu mělo stačit porovnat datum v xpath
//*[@id="footer-info-lastmod"] pro jazykové verze stránky, totéž by
mělo být k získání přes api. Tím ale bohužel moje dovednosti končí...

Majka

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[Talk-us] 2484 oneway roads in Philadelphia

[Badita Florin]

While writing a article about how to create a translation file, to use in
Cygnus 
Conflation Engine, I had chosen Philadelphia as a example.

And I have seen that many of the ways that should be added as oneway are
missing in OSM, but are present in the Open Data Portal
After running with Cygnus, I have decided to also see how many of the
oneway street are in the Open Data Portal, that we don`t have in OSM.

And the results were that much more streets that expected are missing in
that city.
In total, Cygnus detected *2484 ways that don`t have the oneway tag added
in OSM*

It`s not my priority now at Telenav to add them, being a side project, but
i`m thinking that if I put the data online, somebody could be interested in
this, they can verify them and add them to the map.

Also, *if you have want to run this in another city, create a translation
file and I can run it for the city that you are interested in. *

You can download the file from here https://drive.google.com/drive
/u/0/folders/0B7aOUf0DFRnLU3hUWFNuS05JS2c
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[OSM-talk-fr] Projet sur les données vélo en Île-de-France

[Antoine Riche]

Bonjour,

Cette liste annonçait en mars dernier la publication d'un marché public 
lancé par le STIF (depuis rebaptisé Île-de-France Mobilités) pour 
l'acquisition et la maintenance de données vélo sur OpenStreetMap, sur 
l'ensemble de la région Île-de-France. Ce marché a été attribué cet été 
à un groupement : la Cie des Mobilités (Géovélo) est le titulaire du 
marché, avec deux structures en sous-traitance : Carto'Cité et 
l'association cycliste MDB.


Carto'Cité est notamment en charge du lien avec les communautés OSM et 
cyclistes : il est donc plus que temps que je vous donne quelques 
nouvelles du projet qui a démarré cet automne ! Voici ce qui a été 
réalisé à ce jour :

- Géovélo a embauché Simon, contributeur OpenStreetMap depuis 2009
- Géovélo a ouvert un compte sur Mapillary et déjà déposé plusieurs 
centaines de km de photos 360° prises à vélo
- Géovélo a commencé le travail de numérisation, en intégrant dans les 
commentaires de changeset le hashtag #CartoVeloIDF, qui permet de suivre 
les contributions sur 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=CartoVeloIDF

- j'ai communiqué au CA d'OSM France les éléments importants du projet
- j'ai créé une page projet sur le Wiki OSM, qui évoluera au fil du 
projet : 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Vélo_en_Île-de-France
- nous nous sommes retrouvés le 21/10 à Paris pour un atelier commun 
Géovélo/Carto'Cité/MDB (et la présence appréciée de Benoît Fournier) 
pour nous coordonner, échanger sur nos pratiques de relevés terrain, 
harmoniser l'utilisation des tags décrivant les aménagements cyclables, 
préparer la suite.


Les étapes pour les mois à venir :
- Géovélo va poursuivre son travail important de relevés terrain et de 
numérisation
- je vais réaliser un contrôle qualité sur les données cyclables, 
notamment à l'aide de requêtes Overpass que je documenterai.
- je prévois de mettre à jour la page wiki FR:Bicycle, qui présente 
quelques différences avec la version anglaise (j'en reparlerai sur cette 
liste)
- à partir du printemps 2018 nous allons organiser avec MDB des 
cartoparties régulières.


Ces cartoparties auront plusieurs objectifs :
- inciter les cyclistes à remonter des signalements (données manquantes 
ou erronées, nouveaux aménagements), par l'application Géovélo et par 
les notes OSM
- initier de nouveaux contributeurs OSM, les accompagner dans leur 
montée en compétence

- occasionnellement, effectuer un relevé terrain exhaustif sur une zone
Nous annoncerons les cartoparties sur – entre autres – la liste Talk-fr 
et le forum Île-de-France : tout contributeur OSM sera bien sûr bienvenu.


Je suis très attentif à l'enquête menée par la Fondation sur la mise en 
place d'une charte pour les contributions rémunérées, et suis très 
attaché à appliquer la plus grande transparence sur ce projet vis à vis 
de la communauté. Nous prévoyons également de présenter nos travaux lors 
du prochain SoTM FR.


Pour le moment je suis à l'écoute de vos questions, remarques et 
suggestions sur la page projet du wiki et sur le projet en général.


Antoine Riche.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Christian Rogel]

> Le 31 oct. 2017 à 10:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> A problem comes from the name "natural" that to most people (including 
> mappers) carries a meaning that excludes some meanings accepted in the 
> OSMwiki definition.
> For this reason it would be better to use a tag that carries no distorted 
> meaning, say landcover=trees for instance.

I can see any problem with "natural=wood" as there is a "natural=tree_row" not 
natural in the reality. Same of "leisure=sport" for a, say, tennis training 
camp (not very much leisure there ;-) ).
Let us the mappers know there are tags that could not be as transparents they 
wish.
We don't need a "landcover" for a very limited purpose : keep one type of 
landuse off overlapping others.
Creating a new tag could be confusing and time-costing.
"Landuse=forest" may remain for large forests off the inhabited places.

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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Max1234Ita]

Andrea Albani wrote
> Qui ho qualche dubbio in più. Siccome per il valore inspection parla di
> manutenzione annuale, non è che la revisione veicoli italiana ricade nel
> caso appraisal ?
> Serve capire cosa fa il TÜV in Germania e cos


Infatti. quando ho letto "manutenzione annuale" ho pensato che probabilmente
in Austria/Germania la revisione obbligatoria va fatta ogni anno, mentre da
noi la si fa biennale. Il concetto, però, è quello, a parte la periodicità
diversa.

Ma come dicevo prima, io e la Germanica Lingua non andiamo troppo d'accordo.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Andy Townsend]

For info, here's an example changeset discussion comment I've just 
written.  Where new mappers are not quite getting the hang of things 
it'd be great if before someone leaps to the mailing list to either 
complain abot or defend HOT and HOT mappers they could offer them advice 
and help about how to get better:



"Hello and welcome to OpenStreetMap!
Looking at some of the changes here such as $example I think you may be 
"overinterpreting" the imagery somewhat.
If you look at the different imagery choices available you can get a 
feeling for the scale quite well, and its clear that none or almost none 
of the buildings that you've added here actually are buildings (that's 
clear with both Bing and your custom imagery - in fact your custom 
imagery, if later, suggests that buildings shown on Bing have been removed).
Assuming you're not in the West Bank at the moment, what I'd suggest is 
that you try mapping things more locally to you first - often it's 
useful to look at the imagery of a place you know well to see how 
certain features look from the air.  It can be difficult to tell roads 
from e.g. riverbeds if you're not careful.
If you're in $country (guessing, based on your editor locale of $locale 
above) then there are lots of local groups both HOT-based and non-HOT 
based where you can discuss mapping; there are also mailing lists and 
other forums - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact has lots of 
details.

Best Regards,
Andy"

It'd also be great to refer mappers to other learning resources like the 
wiki beginners' guide or learnosm, but that can be a bit difficult since 
it's difficult to know what they've seen so far


Regards,
Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Blake Girardot]

Hi,

I spoke with the person responsible for the projects and they are out
sick but aware of this thread and as soon as they are back on their
feet this week, will get to working on the issue, it is a high
priority for them.

Regards,
Blake

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have also reached out to the person responsible for the projects
> both originally when brought up and just again today, but not heard
> back from them yet. Should I not hear back from the project creator
> today or tomorrow, I will probably temporarily remove the projects and
> the person who created the projects permissions to manage projects on
> the HOT Tasking Manager until they check in and we can be sure there
> is a plan in place to make sure the mappers on the project are doing a
> good job and the data is good quality.
>
> We should also remember that people who create projects do not always
> have any control or input on who contributes to the projects they
> create, but they should obviously be concerned data quality either
> way.
>
> It should also be noted, that HOT has a two step process that reviews
> all mapping, we call it validation, and that is typically where these
> kinds of issues get identified and feedback to the mappers is made.
> Anyone can participate in the validation process and experienced OSM
> mappers and folks who like to help new mappers in OSM are encouraged
> to be a part of that process. It is not a perfect process, but we are
> always working to make that process go better and more quickly to try
> and catch stuff like this as soon as possible.
>
> And, finally, I will note that when this was first raised, I dove
> right in and started to look at the data and make corrections and give
> feedback. But as soon as I spent time making fixes just to hit
> conflicts on upload because people were reverting, I stopped.
>
> Respectfully,
> Blake
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>> On 31/10/2017 12:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Have we found out anything about this yet?
>>
>>
>> None of the users who have entries in changeset discussions have commented
>> in those discussions, including the person who created the task at HOT.  I
>> also don't see any attempt to tidy up the data after the event (but to be
>> fair it is only 2 days - I'd usually wait a few more days before assuming
>> that I won't get a reply).
>>
>> It'd be great if some of the people in this thread could volunteer to help
>> these mappers achieve what they are trying to achieve and learn how to edit
>> OSM productively.  Unfortunately the DWG can't be everywhere - we rely very
>> much on everyone else in the community to help new mappers.  As has been
>> said before most of the problems here (as elsewhere) are just new mapper
>> issues and are relatively easily resolved.
>>
>> Also, don't forget there are really good examples of how to do this
>> elsewhere - look at the work the Irish community has done with both remote
>> and local mapping in Lesotho, for example.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Contributeurs OpenStreetMap à Mayotte?

[Antoine Riche]

Tu peux aller voir sur cette page pour trouver qui contribue sur Mayotte 
: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc
Ça ne veut pas forcément dire qu'ils ou elles y résident mais c'est une 
piste.


Antoine.

Le 31/10/2017 à 07:58, Nicolas Toublanc a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je m'installe bientôt à Mayotte, et je cherche en vain si il y a des 
contributeurs OSM, voir une petite communauté et des événements là-bas.


Si vous en êtes ou avez des contacts, faites-moi signe!


Merci!


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[Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Luca Riccardi]

Ciao a tutti,

sono Luca, vi contatto poiché facendo fede a quanto scritto nelle linee
guida presenti nella wiki di OSM, vi è la possibilità di aggiungere ai dati
di OSM, potenziali nuovi dati relativi a punti di interesse e attrazioni
turistiche  come: chiese, cattedrali, monumenti, opere d'arte, ristoranti,
centri di informazione turistici, etc.. localizzate nella regione Puglia.
Dati presenti in dataset consolidati e verificati (Digital Library e
OpenData) che possano aiutare l'utente finale a individuare i suoi
interessi su OSM.

Per fare ciò vorrei avvalermi di uno script tipo bulk_import.py per
caricare un OSM XML. Poiché sono poco pratico vorrei sapere se il tool in
questione restituisse un qualche output (ovvero nodo OSM con cui il punto
di interesse è stato associato).

Resto in attesa di un vostro riscontro.

Saluti,

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using screenshots from OpenStreetMap

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Hello Tony,

you don't need to buy a license (and more generally, it is impossible), but
you will have to attribute the background image to OpenStreetMap if you
publish or distribute your application (i.e. from what you write it seems
you will have to). See here for more information:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright/
Especially, "how to Credit OpenStreetMap".

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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontro locale del 30/10/2017 - Breve resoconto

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Ok grazie!

Flaminia

2017-10-31 15:27 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> anzi, te lo metto io, se vuoi integrare, il link è quello.
>
> Grazie,
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> 2017-10-31 15:26 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
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[OSM-legal-talk] Using screenshots from OpenStreetMap

[Payne, Tony]

Hi everybody,

I work for a large company and would like to use some screenshots as background 
images in an application we sell to third parties (Local Councils mostly). I am 
keen that there is no breach of regulations but can't tell from reading, 
whether this is permissible or whether we need to purchase some sort of 
licence. We can make reference to OpenStreetMap on each of the images if needs 
be, but can't make the application accessible to the public.

With best regards,
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontro locale del 30/10/2017 - Breve resoconto

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

anzi, te lo metto io, se vuoi integrare, il link è quello.

Grazie,
Martin

2017-10-31 15:26 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> Grazie mille Flaminia,
>
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> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Rome/
> Incontro/31Ottobre2017
>
> Ciao,
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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Grazie mille Flaminia,

ti va di mettere il tuo testo nel wiki?
Suggerisco questa pagina, che ho linkata dalla pagina principale di Roma:
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Blake Girardot]

Greetings,

I have also reached out to the person responsible for the projects
both originally when brought up and just again today, but not heard
back from them yet. Should I not hear back from the project creator
today or tomorrow, I will probably temporarily remove the projects and
the person who created the projects permissions to manage projects on
the HOT Tasking Manager until they check in and we can be sure there
is a plan in place to make sure the mappers on the project are doing a
good job and the data is good quality.

We should also remember that people who create projects do not always
have any control or input on who contributes to the projects they
create, but they should obviously be concerned data quality either
way.

It should also be noted, that HOT has a two step process that reviews
all mapping, we call it validation, and that is typically where these
kinds of issues get identified and feedback to the mappers is made.
Anyone can participate in the validation process and experienced OSM
mappers and folks who like to help new mappers in OSM are encouraged
to be a part of that process. It is not a perfect process, but we are
always working to make that process go better and more quickly to try
and catch stuff like this as soon as possible.

And, finally, I will note that when this was first raised, I dove
right in and started to look at the data and make corrections and give
feedback. But as soon as I spent time making fixes just to hit
conflicts on upload because people were reverting, I stopped.

Respectfully,
Blake

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 31/10/2017 12:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>>
>> Have we found out anything about this yet?
>
>
> None of the users who have entries in changeset discussions have commented
> in those discussions, including the person who created the task at HOT.  I
> also don't see any attempt to tidy up the data after the event (but to be
> fair it is only 2 days - I'd usually wait a few more days before assuming
> that I won't get a reply).
>
> It'd be great if some of the people in this thread could volunteer to help
> these mappers achieve what they are trying to achieve and learn how to edit
> OSM productively.  Unfortunately the DWG can't be everywhere - we rely very
> much on everyone else in the community to help new mappers.  As has been
> said before most of the problems here (as elsewhere) are just new mapper
> issues and are relatively easily resolved.
>
> Also, don't forget there are really good examples of how to do this
> elsewhere - look at the work the Irish community has done with both remote
> and local mapping in Lesotho, for example.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 31.10.2017 14:50, Pierre Béland wrote:
> I suggest to transform this to an «Awesome OSM Geoweek» with focus on
> the quality of edits, quality of leadership, of coaching of new
> contributors. 

Yes, but we must be careful to explain what "quality" means to us.

For example, if someone traces a house, and they trace the roof and not
the footprint, and they just add building=yes instead of something more
specific, and they don't make it rectangular even if they are tracing in
an area where you can assume all buildings to be rectangular ... that is
in my opinion still a valuable contribution (on which they can improve
later if they stay with us and learn).

If, on the other hand, the object isn't even tagged building=*, or if an
orchard is traced and tagged as building=yes name=Orchard, or if a
building is traced across an existing other feature, or if existing
objects are accidentally deleted, re-tagged, or nodes moved around the
country, then the edit starts to become useless or damaging.

If you create a building or a POI in JOSM today, you will be greeted
with a giant input form on which you can add more details than anyone
can possibly know.

When we say "we want quality edits" then that must not be misunderstood
as requesting perfection, all form fields filled out (can horses use
this road... hm... we don't have horses in this country but I guess in
theory...) and one-centimetre tracing precision.

So we need to find a definition for a quality edit that is achievable
for newbie mappers, yet doesn't require cleaning up after. And then we
can say to people running mapathons: "You must ensure that your
participants are in a position to make quality edits". (Individual
participants might still make non-quality edits but if the person
running the mapathon has put them in a position to make quality edits
then it's the individual's fault for choosing not to...)

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Richard]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 01:06:24PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Am 27. Oktober 2017 um 16:00 schrieb Richard :
> 
> > Zumindest sollte klar sein, daß irgendwelche ausländischen Namen nicht ins
> > name:XX gehören sofern nicht die Mehrheit von/aus XX den Ort unter diesem
> > Namen kennt. Und wenn die Mehrheit von XX den Ort überhaupt nicht kennt
> > ganz sicher auch nicht.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> aha? Das sind ja interessante neue Regeln, wie kommst Du darauf, dass die
> Mehrheit der Muttersprachler einer Sprache einen Ort kennen muss, damit er
> damit getaggt werden darf? Soll ich jetzt z.B. den Namen von Breitenholz im
> Landkreis Tübingen entfernen, weil das von den Deutschsprechern kaum einer
> kennt?

gilt für name:XX, nicht für "name". 

Ich halte es für ziemlich absurd wenn plötzlich für Kittenhausen/92342 ein
name:ja auftauchen sollte. Die wenigen Japaner die sich in die Ecke
verirren werden sich darüber kaum freuen und so ein Name kann eigentlich 
nur ein vanity name, Hoax oder "Raubkopie" sein. Ähnlich ist es bei
vielen Namen aus dem Kaiserreich und dem 2ten Weltkrieg, da wurden
auch sehr viele Namen frei erfunden nur um "Deutsche" Namen zu haben, 
diese sind de-facto (c) des Erfinders.. auch wenn das (c) inzwischen 
vermutlich abgelaufen ist.

> Muss man dann also erstmal bundesweite (und im deutschsprachigen "Ausland"
> wie Schweiz, Österreich, Luxemburg, Südtirol, ...) Umfragen machen und
> auswerten, bevor man mappen darf? Oder darf man das selbst entscheiden, was
> die Mehrheit nutzt und kennt?

Erstens - Nachprüfbarkeit. Wer sagt mir, daß ein Name tatsächlich irgendeine
Relevanz besitzt und nicht frei erfunden ist?
Zweitens - wenn man etwas exotisches mappt (also Namen die nicht auf offiziellen
Schildern oder in der Fremdenverkehrsamtwerbung auftauchen) sollte man 
sowas tatsächlich beachten - mit Augenmaß natürlich.
Wenn unsicher würde ich eher alt_name:XX loc_name:XX o.Ä. verwenden als 
name:XX

Es gibt wohl sehr viele Orte auf der Welt die Deutsche Namen haben die 
heute in Deutschland überwiegend unter ihren z.B. Italienischen Namen 
bekannt sind.. sagen wir im Trentino. Eventuell sind in angrenzenden 
deutschprachigen Gebieten teilweise noch die Namen aus dem Kaiserreich 
bekannt bzw gebräuchlich. Was macht man damit?

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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-31 14:37 GMT+01:00 Andrea Albani :

>
> Invece, per quanto riguarda le rimanenti voci, si indica con appraisal un
>> servizio di Omologazione mentre con Inspection il servizio di revisione
>> periodica?
>>
>
> Qui ho qualche dubbio in più. Siccome per il valore inspection parla di
> manutenzione annuale, non è che la revisione veicoli italiana ricade nel
> caso appraisal ?
> Serve capire cosa fa il TÜV in Germania e cosa prevede il §57a in Austria
> [0].
> C'è qualcuno che conosce il tedesco in lista ? :)
>



TÜV / DEKRA fa la revisione veicoli, ma non solo (communemente fanno
sopratutto questo, ma fanno anche altri tipi di certificazioni). Si parla
anche di "Typisierung", che dovrebbe essere questo in questo contesto:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauartzulassung
cioè l'omologazione generale (per un tipo specifico di veicolo, ma non per
un veicolo individuale).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Pierre Béland]

For the OSM Geoweek in november, Invitations are made for groups, universities, 
etc. to create their own Mapathon.
I suggest to transform this to an «Awesome OSM Geoweek» with focus on the 
quality of edits, quality of leadership, of coaching of new contributors.  
Otherwise, this will simply be a «Pulse of new contributors», editing for a few 
hours and leaving problems to others afterward and publication of «Big numbers 
of Contributors» that represent minimal impact on number of Contributions but 
significative Quality problems. 

The same with this task. The organizers should tell us what they do to correct 
the situation.
 
Pierre 
 

   Frederik Ramm wrote:
Maybe it is possible to do better QA, improve editing software, or
easily fix the broken data, as suggested in various posts in this
thread, but I'd like to find the root cause of this and work on that.

Why and how did one person or a group of people who apparently lacked
the capabilities to make this activity a success, start it in the first
place? What warnings, what training material, what message of caution
could have led them to seek advice from people with the relevant
experience - or what over-optimistic "everyone can do it, no training
required" message enticed them to carry on recklessly?

Bringing dozens of new people to OSM only to delete (or significantly
overhaul) 99% of their contribution later helps nobody; it causes
unnecessary work for experienced mappers (and the DWG), tarnishes the
reputation of HOT and OSM, and discourages these people (who would have
made a valuable contribution given proper training) from contributing
further.

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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Andrea Albani]

>
>
> "wrecker" mi sembra è rottamazione (in questo contesto rimorchio per
> rottamazione).
>
>
wrecker è quello, ma è anche sinonimo di carro attrezzi
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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Andrea Albani]

>
>
> Se ho ben capito, si distingue tra le attività di riparazione sul posto/a
> domicilio (es.: batteria "andata", arriva il meccanico col ricambio e
> sostituisce il pezzo senza rimorchiare il mezzo in officina) e quelle con
> servizio di rimorchio (mezzo incidentato o non riparabile sul posto).
>
> In questo caso sarebbe "Breakdown" il primo e "Wrecker" il secondo?
>

Condivido l'interpretazione

Invece, per quanto riguarda le rimanenti voci, si indica con appraisal un
> servizio di Omologazione mentre con Inspection il servizio di revisione
> periodica?
>

Qui ho qualche dubbio in più. Siccome per il valore inspection parla di
manutenzione annuale, non è che la revisione veicoli italiana ricade nel
caso appraisal ?
Serve capire cosa fa il TÜV in Germania e cosa prevede il §57a in Austria
[0].
C'è qualcuno che conosce il tedesco in lista ? :)

[0]
https://www.help.gv.at/Portal.Node/hlpd/public/content/6/Seite.060500.html
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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-31 13:29 GMT+01:00 Max1234Ita :

> In effetti la tabella linkata sembra coprire un po' di casistica.
>
> Provo a riportarla qui:
> - car_service=breakdown a breakdown and wrecker service
>  Pannendienst,
> Abschleppdienst e.g. ADAC in Germany
>


rimorchio e/o riparazione in loco




>
> - car_service=wrecker   a wrecker without breakdown service
>  Abschleppung
> ohne Pannendienst   e.g. Toman in Austria
>


rimorchio per rottamazione



>
> - car_service=appraisal Car inspection and appraisal service
> Begutachtung
> und Typisierung e.g. TÜV in Germany
>


valutazione



>
> - car_service=inspectionyearly inspection without special appraisal
> jährliche Begutachtung ohne spezielle Typisierung   e.g. $57a
> Inspection in
> Austria
>


inspezione




>
> Se ho ben capito, si distingue tra le attività di riparazione sul posto/a
> domicilio (es.: batteria "andata", arriva il meccanico col ricambio e
> sostituisce il pezzo senza rimorchiare il mezzo in officina) e quelle con
> servizio di rimorchio (mezzo incidentato o non riparabile sul posto).
>


si dovrebbe, ma loro in realtà fanno un'altra distinzione (vedi sopra)




>
> In questo caso sarebbe "Breakdown" il primo e "Wrecker" il secondo?
> Invece, per quanto riguarda le rimanenti voci, si indica con appraisal un
> servizio di Omologazione mentre con Inspection il servizio di revisione
> periodica?
>


"wrecker" mi sembra è rottamazione (in questo contesto rimorchio per
rottamazione).

Ciao,
Martin
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[Talk-it-lazio] Incontro locale del 30/10/2017 - Breve resoconto

[Flaminia Tumino]

Buongiorno a tutti,

Ieri ci siamo incontrati zona Pigneto in uno spazio che gentilmente Ubaldo
ha messo a nostra disposizione.

Cerco di fare un breve riassunto di quello che ci siamo detti ieri:

- SITI D'INTERESSE STORICO: abbiamo discusso di tags da mettere per
definire alcuni siti d'interesse storico come muri, rovine di acquedotti,
templi, etc.

- I NASONI: discussione sulle tags dei nasoni funzionanti e non e sulle
fontanelle (che sono simili ai nasoni, ma non sono propriamente nasoni).
abbiamo deciso di classificarli così:

(insieme a amenity=drinking_water)
fountain=nasone

- INIZIATIVE: Una persona del gruppo ha contattato il comune di Frasso
Sabino che è totalmente assente da OSM. Il comune si è mostrato interessato
eventualmente a un mapping party e sarebbe disponibile a mettere a
disposizione i locali della biblioteca comunale questa attività. In comune
ha tuttavia chiarito di non avere personale/persone con conoscenze di
mappatura. Questa potrebbe essere un' occasione per un mapping party, da
organizzare in una o più giornate.

- PROSSIMI PASSI: sono emerse diverse proposte su come continuare le nostre
attività in attesa di riprendere a mappare i murales. Infatti, poiché ci
incontriamo prevalentemente di sera e di settimana, con l'arrivo
dell'inverno diventerà complicato mappare i murales perché fa buio presto.
Dunque abbiamo cercato di capire cosa possiamo mappare collettivamente di
notte.

E' emersa la proposta di mappare posti o inserire tags sull'accessibilità
di bar/pub/ristoranti alle persone diversamente abili. Infatti, esiste già
un progetto partito in Germania sul tema e la mappa di Roma presenta molte
lacune. L'idea sarebbe di contattare anche le associazioni interessate e
creare un momento di incontro con loro.

Altre proposte includono giri  pomeridiani e notturni per mappare numeri
civici, caratteristiche degli edifici mancanti e punti d'interesse non
immediatamente facili da classificare.
Abbiamo deciso che per poter vedere un minimo di risultati in qualunque
campo/attività decidiamo di concentrarci, la cadenza mensile degli incontri
è importante e sarebbe importante mantenerne la regolarità. E' stato deciso
che l'ultimo lunedì del mese potrebbe essere un appuntamento fisso. Il
prossimo appuntamento dunque ricadrebbe il 27 novembre. Dovremmo anche
decidere che fare, se incontrarci di nuovo attorno a un tavolo oppure se
incontrarci per strada e passare un paio d'ore a mappare insieme un angolo
di città.

Spero di aver messo tutto, lascio a voi ulteriori aggiunte e correzioni.
Flaminia
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Andy Townsend]

On 31/10/2017 12:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:


Have we found out anything about this yet?


None of the users who have entries in changeset discussions have 
commented in those discussions, including the person who created the 
task at HOT.  I also don't see any attempt to tidy up the data after the 
event (but to be fair it is only 2 days - I'd usually wait a few more 
days before assuming that I won't get a reply).


It'd be great if some of the people in this thread could volunteer to 
help these mappers achieve what they are trying to achieve and learn how 
to edit OSM productively.  Unfortunately the DWG can't be everywhere - 
we rely very much on everyone else in the community to help new 
mappers.  As has been said before most of the problems here (as 
elsewhere) are just new mapper issues and are relatively easily resolved.


Also, don't forget there are really good examples of how to do this 
elsewhere - look at the work the Irish community has done with both 
remote and local mapping in Lesotho, for example.


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 29.10.2017 19:42, Andy Townsend wrote:
> I'm sure that these new mappers mean well, but they
> clearly haven't understood the task that they've been asked to perform
> (or perhaps that task was somewhat inappropriate for brand-new users in
> a place as densely populated as the West Bank). Try and find out if
> they're volunteers (e.g. they're volunteered to give up their own time
> to help improve the mapping in this area) or if they've perhaps been
> told to "map 100 buildings as part of this HOT task" in order to gain a
> credit for part of a course they're doing.

Have we found out anything about this yet?

Maybe it is possible to do better QA, improve editing software, or
easily fix the broken data, as suggested in various posts in this
thread, but I'd like to find the root cause of this and work on that.

Why and how did one person or a group of people who apparently lacked
the capabilities to make this activity a success, start it in the first
place? What warnings, what training material, what message of caution
could have led them to seek advice from people with the relevant
experience - or what over-optimistic "everyone can do it, no training
required" message enticed them to carry on recklessly?

Bringing dozens of new people to OSM only to delete (or significantly
overhaul) 99% of their contribution later helps nobody; it causes
unnecessary work for experienced mappers (and the DWG), tarnishes the
reputation of HOT and OSM, and discourages these people (who would have
made a valuable contribution given proper training) from contributing
further.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Max1234Ita]

In effetti la tabella linkata sembra coprire un po' di casistica.

Provo a riportarla qui:
- car_service=breakdown a breakdown and wrecker service 
Pannendienst,
Abschleppdienst e.g. ADAC in Germany

- car_service=wrecker   a wrecker without breakdown service Abschleppung
ohne Pannendienst   e.g. Toman in Austria

- car_service=appraisal Car inspection and appraisal service
Begutachtung
und Typisierung e.g. TÜV in Germany

- car_service=inspectionyearly inspection without special appraisal 
jährliche Begutachtung ohne spezielle Typisierung   e.g. $57a Inspection in
Austria 

Se ho ben capito, si distingue tra le attività di riparazione sul posto/a
domicilio (es.: batteria "andata", arriva il meccanico col ricambio e
sostituisce il pezzo senza rimorchiare il mezzo in officina) e quelle con
servizio di rimorchio (mezzo incidentato o non riparabile sul posto).

In questo caso sarebbe "Breakdown" il primo e "Wrecker" il secondo?
Invece, per quanto riguarda le rimanenti voci, si indica con appraisal un
servizio di Omologazione mentre con Inspection il servizio di revisione
periodica?


Purtroppo col Tedesco non ho buoni rapporti; con l'Inglese invece ci litigo
un po' ed a volte riusciamo anche ad andare d'accordo :-)

Max



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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Safwat Halaby]

On Sun, 2017-10-29 at 15:47 -0700, Mark Wagner wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:15:18 +0200
> Safwat Halaby  wrote:
> 
> > - Adding closed ways with area=yes instead of building=yes, or with
> > no
> > tags at all
> 
> A closed way with "area=yes" is a *very* common newbie mistake with
> iD:
> the user traced an area, then forgot to tag it, or didn't realize
> they
> needed to apply additional tags.
> 

Yes but that's not the issue with those edits per se. For instance
adding area=yes (or building=yes) on pre existing buildings en masse is
not a very common newbie mistake. See my other messages for more
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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 27. Oktober 2017 um 16:00 schrieb Richard :

> Zumindest sollte klar sein, daß irgendwelche ausländischen Namen nicht ins
> name:XX gehören sofern nicht die Mehrheit von/aus XX den Ort unter diesem
> Namen kennt. Und wenn die Mehrheit von XX den Ort überhaupt nicht kennt
> ganz sicher auch nicht.




aha? Das sind ja interessante neue Regeln, wie kommst Du darauf, dass die
Mehrheit der Muttersprachler einer Sprache einen Ort kennen muss, damit er
damit getaggt werden darf? Soll ich jetzt z.B. den Namen von Breitenholz im
Landkreis Tübingen entfernen, weil das von den Deutschsprechern kaum einer
kennt?

Dazu noch ein Hinweis, "XX" bezeichnet hier eine Sprache, nicht ein Land,
es wird also kaum einer "aus deutsch" oder "von deutsch" kommen.

Muss man dann also erstmal bundesweite (und im deutschsprachigen "Ausland"
wie Schweiz, Österreich, Luxemburg, Südtirol, ...) Umfragen machen und
auswerten, bevor man mappen darf? Oder darf man das selbst entscheiden, was
die Mehrheit nutzt und kennt?

*kopfschüttel*

Martin


PS: Ich bin auch nicht dafür, Nazi-Phantasienamen als deutsche Namen zu
taggen, aber es gibt nunmal auch viel mehr deutsche Namen, als die Mehrheit
sie kennt. Nach der Mehrheit würde ich mich bei diesem Thema sicherlich
nicht richten.
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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 27. Oktober 2017 um 13:21 schrieb SteMo :

>
>
> Wer in der Region mal aktuell unterwegs war...
> "Preußisch Friedland" ?? Zoomt gerne mal rein: z.B. Bahnhofsnamen (z.B.
> "Obornik Großpolen", "Posen Eisenmühle", "Ketsch", "Samter", "Kreuz",
> "Döllensradung" - "Posen Hauptbahnhof" geht ja noch) in Deutsch!
> *ratlosKopfschüttel*




kannst Du bitte mal erklären, wo das Problem ist bei "Posen Hauptbahnhof"
oder "Posen Eisenmühle"? Sind das nicht die Namen aus der Zeit, als die
Gegend preussisch war und die Eisenbahn und Bahnhöfe gebaut wurden, also
die ursprünglichen "old_name" ohne ":de"?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/477784703

Gruß,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 29. Oktober 2017 um 23:21 schrieb Walter Nordmann :

> Jetzt würde ich gerne mal die Begründung hören, wieso gerade die Kernstadt
> gelöscht wurde aber die anderen 8 Ortsteile nicht ;)



Gem. §2 der Hauptsatzung werden nur die "Ortsbezirke" genannt, nicht die
"Kernstadt":
http://stadt-daun.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Hauptsatzung.pdf
Ggf. ist die Kernstadt die "Stadt Daun"? [1]

Löschen war vermutlich etwas vorschnell, aber ich habe auch keine Hinweise
auf eine "Kernstadt" gefunden, Umbennung wäre vielleicht besser gewesen.
Insgesamt ist der Fall etwas komplizierter als üblich, es gibt eine
"Verbandsgemeinde Daun" (nicht in OSM, wenigstens nicht unter diesem
Namen), eine "Stadt Daun" (ebenfalls nicht in OSM, bzw. als "Daun"),

Hier eine Karte von der Verbandsgemeinde:
http://www.vgv-daun.de/vg_daun/Rathaus%20&%20Gemeinden/Unsere%20Ortsgemeinden/
Dort heisst es sowohl "Daun" als auch "Kreisstadt Daun", gemäß link handelt
es sich bei der "Stadt Daun" um eine "Ortsgemeinde".

"Kernstadt" scheint mir aber in der Tat eine Erfindung zu sein.


Gruß,
Martin


[1]
http://www.ewois.de/Statistik/user/htmlgen.php?stichtag=30.09.2017=23301501=OG=0723301501
Laut Statistik ist das die "Ortsgemeinde Daun, Stadt"
[2]
http://www.infothek.statistik.rlp.de/MeineHeimat/content.aspx?id=103=0723301501=3=8191
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Contributeurs OpenStreetMap à Mayotte?

[Sylvain Montagner]

Salut,
Si tu vas sur cette interface de Pascal Neis 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc, et que tu zoomes sur Mayotte, tu 
visualiseras les contributeur du secteur.

Il y a du monde !
A+

Sylvain M.


*Nicolas Toublanc * n.toublanc at gmail.com 


/Mar 31 Oct 06:58:40 UTC 2017/

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[ thread ]


[ objet ]


[ auteur ]





Bonjour,

Je m'installe bientôt à Mayotte, et je cherche en vain si il y a des
contributeurs OSM, voir une petite communauté et des événements là-bas.

Si vous en êtes ou avez des contacts, faites-moi signe!


Merci!


Nicolas
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[Talk-it] OSMit 2018, FOSS4G, Roma, Febbraio 2018

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Segnalo che la scadenza per la presentazione di interventi per il FOSS4G
Italia a Roma è stata posticipata, potete proporre interventi fino al 15
novembre.


Ciao,

Martin


Mail originale inoltrata:


Ciao a tutt@, volevo informarvi, con preghiera di diffusione, che la
scadenza per la presentazione delle proposte di interventi orali e poster
nonché per l'organizzazione di workshop tematici relativi all'evento FOSS4G
Italia 2018 è stata posticipata al 15 novembre 2017.

Per informazioni e proposte per workshop, l'indirizzo di posta elettronica
di riferimento è: foss4g.it.2...@gmail.com mentre l'URL della pagina
ufficiale è http://www.foss4g.it

Presentazioni orali e poster possono essere presentate tramite la
piattaforma Easychair all'indirizzo https://easychair.org/cfp/FOSS4G-IT2018,

vi ringrazio per l'attenzione e la diffusione che vorrete dare alla notizia.
per il comitato organizzatore
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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-31 10:50 GMT+01:00 liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu <
liste.gira...@posteo.eu>:

>
> Boh! dico la mia dopo un pò di ricerca:
>
> service=repair;road_rescue
> road_rescue=car




in entrambi le case (anche breakdown service) sarebbe da distinguere chi fa
attività così:

https://www.mz-web.de/image/24481818/2x1/940/470/ab52bc48f917a6a835fe0f362b8f8c7a/DP/b-stress-fuer-den-gelben-engel-31-07-2016.jpg

e chi le fa così:

http://www.maz-online.de/var/storage/images/maz/lokales/teltow-flaeming/gelber-engel-im-dauereinsatz/339060694-1-ger-DE/Gelber-Engel-im-Dauereinsatz_ArtikelQuer.jpg


(sono esempi tedeschi del club automobilistico, ma il concetto dovrebbe
essere applicabile anche a aziende).

Ciao,
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[Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Ciao a tutti,

segnalo che abbiamo ieri al incontro dei mappatori Romani, deciso di usare
il (nuovo) tag

fountain=nasone

per i nasoni D.O.C.G.

Come concordato ieri, ho fatto anche un edit automatico per unificare le
vari varianti preesistenti di questo tag, che sopratutto usano la chiave
riservata "type" (in totale parliamo di circa 250 oggetti, tutti nell'area
del Comune di Roma, e quasi tutti con il tag "vietato" "type").

Inoltre è stato aggiornata la documentazione nel wiki. Se avete mappato
altri sottotipi di fontanelle, vi prego di considerare di uniformare i
vostri tag sotto la chiave "fountain" (chiave pre-esistente).

Ho create la pagine fountain appositamente per documentare l'uso attuale:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/fountain#values  (non ci sono ancora
visibili le fontanelle).

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Fontanelle di Roma, incontro locale 30/10/2017, Automated Edit (su scala locale)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Ho creato anche una pagina nel wiki:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain

Ed ho aggiornato la pagina del drinking water.

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A problem comes from the name "natural" that to most people (including
> mappers) carries a meaning that excludes some meanings accepted in the
> OSMwiki definition.
> For this reason it would be better to use a tag that carries no distorted
> meaning, say landcover=trees for instance.
>

I can definitely agree with this. landcover=trees carries no weird meanings
unlike natural=wood (natural? man-made?). I can accept using landuse=forest
for land that is used for forestry-related uses (like production of timber
or a national forest), but for everything that is covered by a dense group
of trees, landcover=trees seems the way to go.
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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 31/10/2017 10:42, Andrea Albani ha scritto:

Ciao,

c'Ú questa proposta del 2010 [0] ancora in draft che, tra le altre, parla
del tag car_service=breakdown.
Al momento il tag Ú usato prevalentemente in Austria.

Ciao

[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_
features/car_service=699156



Boh! dico la mia dopo un pò di ricerca:

service=repair;road_rescue
road_rescue=car


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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Yves]

This discussion looks like a chance to write proposals that could be voted by 
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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Andrea Albani]

Ciao,

c'è questa proposta del 2010 [0] ancora in draft che, tra le altre, parla
del tag car_service=breakdown.
Al momento il tag è usato prevalentemente in Austria.

Ciao

[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_
features/car_service=699156

Il giorno 31 ottobre 2017 10:19, Max1234Ita  ha
scritto:

> Ciao a tutti,
> forse la cosa è stata chiesta in passato ma non riesco a trovare
> riscontri... Qualcuno saprebbe dirmi come mappare un'autofficina che esegue
> anche servizio di recupero in strada dei mezzi guasti o incidentati?
>
> con shop=car_repair e service=repair definisco l'officina... ma esistono
> tag
> che possano indicare anche la disponiblità del servizio di soccorso
> stradale?
>
> Grazie in anticipo!
> Max
>
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Re: [OSRM-talk] OSRM trip service (TSP) limitation

[Sasha Khapyorsky]

Hi Julien,

Thanks for the helpful reply and links. i've tried VROOM, so far looks
good - usually it generates faster TSP routes than OSRM Trip() does,
at least in my test cases. Found some small issues, will write on your
github...

Sasha

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Julien Coupey  wrote:
> Oops sorry, forgot links in previous message:
>
> [1]: https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/issues/1623
> [2]: http://map.vroom-project.org/
>
>
> Le 07/10/2017 à 14:49, Julien Coupey a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Sasha,
>>
>> For the record, you can read the ticket[1] where fixed start/end
>> implementation has been discussed.
>>
>> TL;DR: the same kind of approach should allow to serve your use-case (fix
>> start but end at any location that is preferable for optimization). This is
>> how I did it myself anyway, see link in the ticket or this demo[2].
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Julien
>>
>> Le 06/10/2017 à 16:17, Sasha Khapyorsky a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I've tried to use OSRM recently. Great stuff!
>>>
>>> When using OSRM trip service, I've figured out that this call is
>>> limited by option combintions:
>>>
>>> rountrip=true&* or roundtrip=false=first=last
>>>
>>> And rest combinations (such as
>>> roundtrip=false=first=any , which I'm looking for)
>>> marked as not implemented.
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea about when such implementation is planned?
>>>
>>> I'm very new with osrm-backend code (yet), but after commenting out
>>> this limitation and using roundtrip=false=first=any
>>> options OSRM provides the similar and valid paths (at least in couple
>>> of tests, didn't check it in deep yet).
>>>
>>> Any ideas, suggestions?
>>>
>>> Many Thanks,
>>> Sasha
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Warin]

On 31-Oct-17 07:54 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote:

On 31.10.2017 07:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:> one tag for what? An
area with trees? A forest? How would you define> "forest"?
One tag that can be used for mapping both the things currently mapped as
landuse=forest, and the things currently mapped as natural=wood.

Whether that is a tag for "forest" or for "tree-covered area" is a
worthwhile discussion. But going beyond that and asking for a precise
definition of "forest" seems like an almost impossible requirement, and
I'd rather have a less than perfect definition than no change.


this is really a non-issue, just evaluate these 2 tags the same way and you’re 
done.

That's an easy way out for data consumers, but not for mappers. When
mapping forests, you are currently forced to make a distinction that you
may not care about and that you may not even be qualified to make: You
can't just map a forest without also including a statement regarding its
naturalness or use for forestry purposes.


Presently the tag natural=wood within OSM means any tree area, it can be 
'natural', 'unnatural', 'managed', 'unmanaged',
'used for forestry', 'not used for forestry' or anything else you can dream of!

A problem comes from the name "natural" that to most people (including mappers) 
carries a meaning that excludes some meanings accepted in the OSMwiki definition.
For this reason it would be better to use a tag that carries no distorted 
meaning, say landcover=trees for instance.

Evaluating both tags the same way removes data that some have correctly tagged,
if they were rendered differently these differences will motivate mappers to 
tag with more care.


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[Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Soccorso stradale

[Max1234Ita]

Ciao a tutti,
forse la cosa è stata chiesta in passato ma non riesco a trovare
riscontri... Qualcuno saprebbe dirmi come mappare un'autofficina che esegue
anche servizio di recupero in strada dei mezzi guasti o incidentati?

con shop=car_repair e service=repair definisco l'officina... ma esistono tag
che possano indicare anche la disponiblità del servizio di soccorso
stradale?

Grazie in anticipo!
Max



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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Tobias Knerr]

On 31.10.2017 07:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:> one tag for what? An
area with trees? A forest? How would you define> "forest"?
One tag that can be used for mapping both the things currently mapped as
landuse=forest, and the things currently mapped as natural=wood.

Whether that is a tag for "forest" or for "tree-covered area" is a
worthwhile discussion. But going beyond that and asking for a precise
definition of "forest" seems like an almost impossible requirement, and
I'd rather have a less than perfect definition than no change.

> this is really a non-issue, just evaluate these 2 tags the same way and 
> you’re done.

That's an easy way out for data consumers, but not for mappers. When
mapping forests, you are currently forced to make a distinction that you
may not care about and that you may not even be qualified to make: You
can't just map a forest without also including a statement regarding its
naturalness or use for forestry purposes.

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

[Nick Whitelegg]

Thanks for all the suggestions, and Andy - thanks for the hosting info.


To answer the questions that came up:


- contours should be easy, yes as I already have a DB containing them. It's 
just a case of using them with the current version of Mapnik; I've added 
contours with Mapnik before but a good number of years ago now.


- The carto style is indeed a fork of the original OSM carto style, forked by 
Andy some time ago (I believe before the road colour scheme was altered); it's 
now been further forked for the OSM UK project.


Thanks,

Nick


From: Andy Townsend 
Sent: 30 October 2017 17:34:11
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

On 30/10/2017 08:58, Nick Whitelegg wrote:



As you may know, the plan is to produce a UK specific OSM mapping site. A start 
on this has been made here:


http://www.free-map.org.uk/osmuk/


using a fork of SomeoneElse (Andy)'s cartography with one very minor tweak so 
far, namely footpaths and bridleways are rendered in a style similar to 
Landranger maps.

Glad to be of service :)

There are a couple of other tweaks you'd probably want to do:

o One is to reinstate cycleways as "a thing".  In order to free up a colour to 
use for public bridleways I used blue for that and just rendered cycleways like 
other paths (coloured according to designation, dashed for wide and dotted for 
narrow).  Green's a problem because so much on an OSM map is different shades 
of grreen.  That's fine for me (I'm not a cyclist) but something a bit more 
inclusive would probably include cycleways.  Not sure what colour you'd want to 
go for though - if you want to go more for OS-style colours you'd have a lot 
less colour on the map than most OSM-based ones (styles designed as an 
"underlay" like Mapbox Streets aside).

o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the rendering of 
dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones, but I'd suggest keeping 
proposed ones so that people can see where HS2 is going(!) (as an example, 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15=53.11419=-1.31171
 shows all three types).

o If you want to do "Welsh Language first in Wales" as described in 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/42069 I can make the load 
scripts available for that.  It's pretty much what's in the diary entry but is 
a runnable script.


In terms of server space, we did have a server available to us for development 
purposes (provided by Birmingham in Real Time) however this will be unavailable 
for a month or two; however our contact there is going to recommend some cheap 
hosting options.

For info, the map.atownsend.org.uk site (which covers the UK and Ireland) 
currently fits nicely on a 4Gb memory / 100Gb SSD disk server at Hetzner; at 
<£15 per month you could probably short-term fund it with a whip-round in a 
pub.  I'm sure that the other competing options - OVH et al - are similar; for 
the size of server I wanted for the UK Hetzner made sense for me at the 
beginning of the year; slightly larger or smaller on any spec parameter and 
something else might have been better.

Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Warin]

On 31-Oct-17 05:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


On 31. Oct 2017, at 00:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

Depreciate natural=wood and introduce landcover=trees.


landcover=trees is already introduced, I’m using it for years and others do the 
same. Just use it.



Sorry .. depreciate natural=wood and recommend on its OSMwiki page 
landcover=trees

I too use it. But I dual tag for the renders.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] osm13 ne répond(ait) plus...

[Gaël Simon]

Merci Christian pour ta disponibilité

Gaël

Le 30 oct. 2017 à 22:38, Christian Quest  a écrit :

Je lui ait demandé, mais ce coquin ne veut pas répondre !

Plus sérieusement, munin montre qu'il y a eu un pic sur la latence, puis plus 
rien, kernel HS, machine bloquée.

Branché en USB sur mon laptop, il n'est pas détecté. Je ne pense pas que ce 
soit un problème d'age de la mémoire flash, on était à 60% restant de durée de 
vie d'après le graph SMART de munin.


> Le 30 octobre 2017 à 22:12,  a écrit :
> Sait-on pourquoi il a lâché ?
> 
> Merci pour la réactivité.
> 
> Jean-Yvon
> 
>> Le 30/10/2017 à 21:59, Christian Quest   - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a 
>> écrit :
>> SSD remplacé... OS mis à jour (maintenant Ubuntu 16.04), ré-import base 
>> planet en cours...
>> 
>>> Le 30 octobre 2017 à 11:28, Christian Quest  a 
>>> écrit :
 Le 28/10/2017 à 13:04, Christian Quest a écrit :
 Depuis cette nuit, 3h52...
 
 Pas de réponse aux ping, je contacte free pour voir si il y a eu un 
 pépin...
 
 Du coup, plus de tuiles HOT
 
 -- 
 Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France
>>> 
>>> Serveur planté grave (rien à l'écran, voyant du clavier qui ne réagissent 
>>> plus, kernel ?)... free l'a éteint/rallumé et il a rebooté.
>>> 
>>> Reboot ok, mais il semble y avoir un problème avec le deuxième SSD, celui 
>>> de 1To qui contient la base postgresql qui ne monte pas.
>>> En fait, il n'est pas détecté, mais la carte PCIe sur lequel il est branché 
>>> est bien visible dans lspci et lshw
>>> 
>>> Possible que le SSD lui même soit HS... ce qui veut dire que je vais devoir 
>>> y aller, le changer.
>>> 
>>> Ça tombe bien j'ai remplacé le SSD de mon laptop ce week-end et libéré un 
>>> SSD 840 EVO de 1To que je peux mettre à la place.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Je viens de rebooter une seconde fois la machine et SSD toujours pas là...
>>> 
>>> Conséquences:
>>> 
>>> - la base postgres est indisponible
>>> 
>>> - les tuiles ne peuvent plus être calculées
>>> 
>>> Par contre:
>>> 
>>> - les tuiles en cache mod_tile sont bien disponibles (elles sont sur 
>>> l'autre SSD) et donc servies même si elles ne sont pas fraiches
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Donc service dégradé, mais service quand même.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actions...
>>> 
>>> - remplacer le SSD
>>> 
>>> - re-importer la planet...
>>> 
>>> - en profiter pour mettre à jour toute la machine (ubuntu un peu ancien 
>>> dessus)
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 31. Oct 2017, at 00:36, Dave F  wrote:
> 
> then I'd be happy to go with that as the /real/ problem is OSM is currently 
> using two different tags (both key & value!) to represent the same entity,


this is really a non-issue, just evaluate these 2 tags the same way and you’re 
done. A real problem is the contrary: using the same tag for different things.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 31. Oct 2017, at 00:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Depreciate natural=wood and introduce landcover=trees.


landcover=trees is already introduced, I’m using it for years and others do the 
same. Just use it.


Cheers,
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[OSM-talk-fr] Contributeurs OpenStreetMap à Mayotte?

[Nicolas Toublanc]

Bonjour,

Je m'installe bientôt à Mayotte, et je cherche en vain si il y a des
contributeurs OSM, voir une petite communauté et des événements là-bas.

Si vous en êtes ou avez des contacts, faites-moi signe!


Merci!


Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Andrew Hain]

It is not only his language ability that he overestimates. His Mediawiki 
programming has a cargo cult flavour and he has a fetish for links going to the 
“right” place 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Iotw_text/2017-43=1516878=1516754
 being a typical recent example) that he takes as far as special cases in 
templates just to satisfy it, this was the root of the current calendar 
argument.

--
Andrew

From: Richard 
Sent: 30 October 2017 13:10:49
To: Tobias Knerr
Cc: talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:13:14AM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> On 28.10.2017 12:06, Andrew Hain wrote:
> > His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net
> > negative value.
>
> I have to disagree here. He's probably the single most active wiki
> contributor, and is also performing a lot of useful maintenance work
> that no one else would bother doing.

Agree.
At the same time, exactly as he is a respected and experienced
contributor the cost of every single missstep is disproportionately
higher than if "gaer3jfkk4ej555_I_want_to_fuck_OSM" does it.

An exceptionally high self esteem regarding foreign language skills
does not help either. ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/40120 )

> This does not mean that he should be exempt from the rules, of course.
> To the contrary: What I would hope for is consistent enforcement of the
> rules, with gradually increasing penalties. Jumping straight from spotty
> enforcement to a permanent ban, though, seems wasteful and needlessly cruel.

Rules can help - if they can be enforced by simple technical means. For some
contributors lets say a limit like
* 2 edits to a single page within 14 days
* 5 edits to talk pages per 7 days
* 1 revert per 14 days

Nothing personal but very few people here have the time to follow
dozens of changesets so this would help a lot.

Maybe for some contributors a personal blacklist banning every edit with
the word "you" in every language and declination can help.

Richard

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