Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-22 Thread Simon Poole
> Stefano > > 2015-11-22 12:37 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>>: > > It is not as if there are not numerous alternative addressing schemes > see for example this list (which was produced for an open system from, > gosh,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] question regarding produced work

2015-11-19 Thread Simon Poole
? there are 4 responses to your mail, at least one with a question that you haven't answered . Am 19.11.2015 um 08:51 schrieb Lars-Daniel Weber: > Three days are gone and still no discussion about this topic. > I think, nobody is really interested in discovering license violations and >

[OSM-legal-talk] Interesting ruling by the ECJ

2015-11-19 Thread Simon Poole
For those that do not read weeklyOSM/Wochennotiz (you really should) http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62014CJ0490=de=TXT= Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

2015-11-19 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.11.2015 um 15:17 schrieb Paul Johnson: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > This seems a bit of an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure > you didn't intend for your statement to

Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

2015-11-19 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.11.2015 um 15:53 schrieb Blake Girardot: > > It is a ridiculous statement on its face; obviously HOT does not > succeed if OSM does not succeed. I think we fully agree and if you recheck you will see that I said essentially the same. > > As to the original issue Ramm raised: > > Most

Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

2015-11-19 Thread Simon Poole
This seems a bit of an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure you didn't intend for your statement to come across as it just did. While rabid anti-OSMers are gaining more power and influence in HOT and MM, I do assume that the majority of the HOT and MM communities are not falling in to the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-18 Thread Simon Poole
the sign up process without creating a cascade of further problems. Simon PS: given that this is slowly getting very off topic , I would suggest carrying on the discussion on the legal-talk list. Am 18.11.2015 um 02:26 schrieb Simon Poole: > > > Am 18.11.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kate Chapman: &g

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-18 Thread Simon Poole
the sign up process without creating a cascade of further problems. Simon PS: given that this is slowly getting very off topic , I would suggest carrying on the discussion on the legal-talk list. Am 18.11.2015 um 02:26 schrieb Simon Poole: > > > Am 18.11.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kate Chapman: &g

Re: [OSM-talk] Seek support for worldwide mapathon on Dec 3rd for places accessibility

2015-11-18 Thread Simon Poole
Holger, I suspect that the regional OpenStreetMap organisations would be good partners for setting up local events and press coverage even though it is a bit short term (there is no one complete list but http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters#Existing_local_chapters and

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related consequences of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF? Simon Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson: > Hello list, > > Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org > and American

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
der the age of 13. What is the issue? > > -Kate > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things. > > Historically, aka pre 2013 revisi

Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
Du vergisst natürlich nur eine Kleinigkeit (respektive redest dir seit Jahren was schön) all die Daten die schon damals.und auch jetzt, in OSM sind die mindestens einen indirekten Quellenhinweis verlangen. Natürlich können wir, wenn wir jetzt aufhören Drittquellen zu verwenden, so in ca. 70

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 18.11.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kate Chapman: > Hi Simon, > > The groups releasing Geobadges "TeachOSM with support from > Mapstory.org and American Geographical Society" are not large > multi-million dollar US organizations. None of them have highly paid > in-house lawyers. Thank you for

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
gt; 2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be > marketed to under 13. > > Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards, > > > -- SEJ > -- twitter: @geomantic > -- skype: sejohnson8 > > "Wretches, utter wretches

Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
So was wie "Attributierung" gibt es nicht, wie wärs mal mit Deutsch. Es gibt im Urheberrecht überhaupt keine Pflicht seine Rechte durchzusetzen auch wenn du seit Jahren immer wieder den gleichen Blödsinn behauptest. Simon Am 17.11.2015 um 20:58 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at

Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

2015-11-17 Thread Simon Poole
5 um 22:34 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:11:23PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: >> So was wie "Attributierung" gibt es nicht, wie wärs mal mit Deutsch. >> >> Es gibt im Urheberrecht überhaupt keine Pflicht seine Rechte >> durchzusetzen auc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] question regarding produced work

2015-11-16 Thread Simon Poole
Lars, is there any indication that the site uses for the map anything else than existing OSM data? Note that we do not require trivial transformations of OSM data to be published as long as the original data is available (for very obvious reasons). See

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.11.2015 um 18:04 schrieb Michał Brzozowski: ... lots of stuff ... This is not a new complaint/moan. The major issue is the people that have made OSM one of/their major hobby (aka us) fretting about the fact that lots of other people just joined to fix something or test. They typically

Re: [OSM-talk] Undiscussed (?) edits removing lesser-used highway=* tags

2015-11-09 Thread Simon Poole
As i already pointed out, the problem is not so much fixing obvious mistakes (typos, clear misclassification) thank you for that, but wanting conformity to inconclusive results of discussions on a fairly obscure mailing list. One of the great strengths of OSM is that you can invent tagging on

Re: [OSM-talk] Undiscussed (?) edits removing lesser-used highway=* tags

2015-11-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.11.2015 um 21:42 schrieb Andrew Guertin: > ... > Does anyone know if this was discussed anywhere? It seems to be a result of a misguided discussion on the tagging list, which came to the conclusion that data consumers need to be protected from the (typically very low number) the dangerous

[OSM-legal-talk] Proposed Collective Database Guideline (was Meta-Data Guideline)

2015-11-05 Thread Simon Poole
You may have seen an early version of this either on legal-talk or via WeeklyOSM/WochenNotiz. It's gone through a number of revisions since then and has incorporated input from a number of sources. Thanks to everybody that took the time to work on it. Content wise this version is slightly less

[OSM-talk] Proposed Collective Database Guideline (was Meta-Data Guideline)

2015-11-05 Thread Simon Poole
You may have seen an early version of this either on legal-talk or via WeeklyOSM/WochenNotiz. It's gone through a number of revisions since then and has incorporated input from a number of sources. Thanks to everybody that took the time to work on it. Content wise this version is slightly less

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Collective Database Guideline (was Meta-Data Guideline)

2015-11-05 Thread Simon Poole
Am 05.11.2015 um 11:22 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > are we going to define "geometry type", "primary feature data" and > "primary map feature"? E.g. is a "multiline string" or a "group of > nodes" a geometry type? > What is a "property" and how is it different to a "primary map > feature" or

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-04 Thread Simon Poole
Am 04.11.2015 um 06:06 schrieb Max: > Could the renderer take the number of lanes and/or with information of > the road into account? Then we would not have this issue. > The rendering database currently does not include the lanes value, or put differently any such feature would have to weight

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: [HOT] Cat-5 Hurricane Patricia heading to Mexican Pacific Coast

2015-10-25 Thread Simon Poole
Am 25.10.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Blake Girardot: > .. > I think Simon was talking about a slightly different issue than HOT's > use of open data from the Mexican government as part of HOT's > activities related to this disaster. Yes correct, CC-by compatibility is always a hot topic and I didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: [HOT] Cat-5 Hurricane Patricia heading to Mexican Pacific Coast

2015-10-24 Thread Simon Poole
Just nipping this in the bud: the statement from Sarah Hinchliff Pearson is here http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2013-January/008279.html She clearly didn't say that CC-by v3 was compatible with the ODbL in the sense that the ODbL alone would suffice as the distribution licence of

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Barth: > Hi, > > ich muss sagen, der Thread war für mich jetzt irgendwie ganz interessant > und aufschlussreich. > > Simon Poole schrieb: >> [...] >> die LWG verlässt sich daraf, dass Fälle die nicht von der "Community&

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > On Thursday 22 October 2015, Simon Poole wrote: >> Ich hab ein paar Stichproben bei den >> aktuelleren, offenen Fällen (post Lizenzwechsel) gemacht davon war >> eine nicht als OSM basierende Karte erkennbar und bei d

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 18:32 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > Naja - was heißt hier 'wird ignoriert' - die Liste dokumentiert eine > ganze Reihe von Fällen von Lizenzverletzungen und in einigen Fällen > wurden diese definitiv nicht behoben obwohl die Unternehmen darauf > aufmerksam gemacht wurden. > >

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 10:26 schrieb Samuel Kutter: > Hallo allerseits, > > 1. mir ist auf einer Internetseite (http://www.tours3.com/tours), die > OSM-Karten benützt, aufgefallen, dass keine korrekte Quellenangaben ((c) > OSM contributors etc) vorhanden sind. > > Ich bin dem nachgegangen und habe

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 13:22 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > On Thursday 22 October 2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Im Endeffekt, das habe ich aus den letzten Jahren mitgenommen, wird >> man niemanden je vor Gericht bringen, zumindest war das bisher so, >> insbesondere, wenn der andere sehr groß ist.

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 14:42 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Am 22. Oktober 2015 um 14:03 schrieb Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch>: > >> In beiden Fällen die Martin genannt hat wurden die fraglichen Firmen >> kontaktiert und in beiden Fällen wurde das Verhalten geändert, >> &

Re: [Talk-de] Massive OSM-Lizenz-Verletzung durch Kartenanbieter outdooractive.com (u. a. auch Alpenverein betroffen)

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2015 um 15:09 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > > dafür ist ja klar). > Es gibt in > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attribution > > definitiv einige Fälle, in denen auch nach Hinweis keine lizenzkonforme > Attributierung stattfand. Ob das jetzt daran liegt, dass der

Re: [Talk-de] Neues GPS, schlechte Performance...

2015-10-19 Thread Simon Poole
Ich würde ev. das http://www.amazon.com/2000-GLONASS-RECEIVER-iPod-iPhone/dp/B00COLB9FS empfehlen, Bedienung ist zwar nicht gerade der Hammer, ist aber billig und tut was es soll, für mapillary mindestens (habs jetzt nie als klassischen Logger zum Tracks aufnehmen verwendet). Zu dem

Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-16 Thread Simon Poole
A quick reality check: forget scraping stuff from FB or any other commercial operator of similar services (for legal/ToS reasons). And second: there is already the OSM forums which, depending on region, are quite popular. Further: none-of the above are really a replacement for a integrated

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz der thüringer und niedersächsichen Straßennamen in der Straßenlistenauswertung?

2015-10-15 Thread Simon Poole
Ich will nicht Dietmar vorgreifen, aber die Strassenlistenauswertung hat ja keine Geometrien aus den staatlichen Listen. Sprich die Leute kopieren mit Sicherheit von google. Simon Am 15.10.2015 um 18:18 schrieb Michael Reichert: > Hallo Dietmar, hallo Liste, > > in der Straßenlistenauswertung

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US elections: October 12 townhall with candidates

2015-10-14 Thread Simon Poole
No, I'm not going to tell you who to vote for in the elections :-). However I believe there is some substantial misunderstanding of the numbers involved. Martijn noted in his manifesto that the daily editors numbers was flat for the US and Michael used that as one of the corner points in his

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with changeset comment notification?

2015-10-12 Thread Simon Poole
The issue is that the notifications are sent by mail and as such may easily disappear somewhere . See https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/908 Am 12.10.2015 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > Hi, > i have a response of a user who said that he did not get any comment on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-10-12 Thread Simon Poole
Am 12.10.2015 um 23:43 schrieb Mr. Stace D Maples: > .. > Neither of the projects was scrapped because we /couldn’t/ use OSM for > the project, but because we couldn’t determine IF WE COULD use OSM for > our particular uses. > > ... And you or your legal department approached the licensor of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-10-09 Thread Simon Poole
Could we please get back on topic? Neither the pros and cons of share-alike, nor use cases in which the data is not publicly used, nor alternative licensing schemes, nor mumbo-jumbo from conference sessions is the subject of this discussion. Please feel free to discuss any of the above in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-10-09 Thread Simon Poole
For those readers that are not well versed with wikis, I just wanted to point out that some points have been raised on the discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_Metadata_Guideline I personally would prefer if feedback was given here, but obviously using the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-10-07 Thread Simon Poole
our data is not subject to > sharealike as > > ~~defined in the “Horizontal Layers” guideline. Note this is a > > ~~hypothetical use case and not an actual one.~~ > > I recommend striking the paragraph above: This statement doesn't > clearly flow > from the ODbL

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0

2015-10-07 Thread Simon Poole
Tom, any feedback yet? Simon Am 14.07.2015 um 16:22 schrieb Tom Lee: > I'll add that I've been in touch with CC's US affiliate and they've > expressed interest in resolving the compatibility question (either > with formal guidance that applies to 4.0 or in preparation for the > next license

Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

2015-10-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.10.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Peter Dobratz: ... a lot of stuff I was just going to write :-) ... In any case, I believe it is important not to get trapped in the "old" way of doing things. For the majority* of edits the "modern" (excluding on device editing which actually works fine) way is

Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

2015-10-06 Thread Simon Poole
Besides having all the issues Keypadmapper has squared, how do you prevent IP leakage from google to OSM? For example do you know if it employs any "lock on road" or similar technology? Simon Am 06.10.2015 um 17:47 schrieb Adam Franco: > For trail surveys and other GPS recording on Android I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Geo URL not working

2015-10-05 Thread Simon Poole
The error just means that you have no SW/plugin or whatever installed that understand geo URIs (they are used a lot on mobile devices). In other words if you don't need them to work, you can safely ignore the issue. Simon Am 05.10.2015 um 13:23 schrieb Dave F.: > Hi > > Map main page. Under the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

2015-09-28 Thread Simon Poole
I think you are clearly illustrating why we are wary of opening the can of worms bending the definitions of the ODbL creates. So now we not only have to take the leap of faith that geo-coding creates a produced work*, we have to expand the definition of substantive to allow essentially complete

Re: [OSM-talk] running and registering an old osmand version

2015-09-25 Thread Simon Poole
IMHO you are approaching this -slightly- wrong. In general the play store will not offer you apps that will not run on your system, so there is on the one hand either something wrong with the play store configuration if the version intentionally doesn't work with 2.3.6 -> you should be talking

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Geocoding as produced work

2015-09-24 Thread Simon Poole
is accidental. Simon Am 24.09.2015 um 00:32 schrieb Alex Barth: > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > it might actually force > such a service provider to differentiate between geo-coding fo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

2015-09-24 Thread Simon Poole
My understanding of the trivial transformation guideline is that the data in the nominatim instance would fall under it (so you are not obliged to supply somebody that asks with a dump of your nominatim database or your osm2pgsql rendering database etc etc, you can simply point to the original

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Geocoding as produced work

2015-09-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 23.09.2015 um 15:32 schrieb Tom Lee: > > why wouldn't you want to provide OSM with a list of addresses that > you tried to geo-code (successfully and non-successfully) > > > To use an extreme but hopefully illustrative example, consider the > queries used to create the thematic map on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Geocoding as produced work

2015-09-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 23.09.2015 um 19:16 schrieb Tom Lee: > I'm not sure what basis there is for thinking a service provider will > necessarily reuse clients' data. Maybe! Not "maybe" but dead certain, see for example geocoder.ca and I hope you don't really believe that google doesn't reuse the data you submit to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Geocoding as produced work (was: Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline)

2015-09-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 23.09.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Alex Barth: > .. > > The Fairhurst Doctrine won't get us all the way on geocoding. It still > leaves open what happens in scenarios where elements of the same kind > in third party databases are geocoded with OSM data and others with > third party data. This is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.09.2015 um 22:14 schrieb alyssa wright: > What does this mean? "uses ratings from OSM " > Again: it is just a hypothetical example. Obviously using a real life use case and declaring that as non-conformant or whatever in a not yet agreed to guideline would not be sensible (just imagine

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Poole
Naturally musings about hypothetical better worlds in which OSM has a different licence (and in which we undoubtedly would be having exactly the same discussions) are just as off topic in this thread as stipulations that company XYZ is violating the licence. Could we pls have some comments on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Poole
I've added a clarification to the example in question as it is causing some contention. Simon Am 22.09.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Simon Poole: > > Am 22.09.2015 um 22:14 schrieb alyssa wright: >> What does this mean? "uses ratings from OSM " >> > Again: it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.09.2015 um 11:05 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Is there a problem with the current license? Is it not clear from a > legal point of view, how it should be interpreted? Please read the introduction to the proposed guideline. > > I must admit I feel some reluctance towards the practise

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-09-21 Thread Simon Poole
Am 21.09.2015 um 14:01 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > I don't believe that the restaurant star rating is a good example, as > we don't rate restaurants ourselves, I'm using a hypothetical, but "in principle could be possible" example on purpose for the negative scenario. > and copying the

[OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

2015-09-21 Thread Simon Poole
Dear All One of the big grey areas remaining wrt our distribution licence is defining if, and how you can link from external data to an OpenStreetMap derived dataset. Nailing this down is, in my opinion, key to progress in getting rid of other areas of contention (for example geo-coding). In the

Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

2015-09-15 Thread Simon Poole
Over the years the expectation has been that somebody would take OSM data and create such an end user portal, but as we know, that has never happened outside a couple of aborted or zombie projects (three that come to mind are MapQuest, bing and skobbler, but I'm sure there have been more). I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY -> ODbL negotiators?

2015-08-31 Thread Simon Poole
Hi Steve Before this discussion goes off on a tangent, which version of CC-by are they currently using? Simon Am 30.08.2015 um 17:14 schrieb Steve Bennett: > Hi all, > I've been trying to convince the state government of Victoria > (southeast Australia) to allow their VicMap raw data to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] GADM license - any news?

2015-08-25 Thread Simon Poole
Simone, you are flogging a really dead horse (which has been discussed many many many times before). - the licence of the GADM dataset is incompatible with OSM - in dire circumstances and with a very large effort, as Paul has pointed out, three and a half years ago I managed to get hold of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] GADM license - any news?

2015-08-25 Thread Simon Poole
Am 25.08.2015 um 20:14 schrieb Tom Lee: The main point is however that while we can pontificate as much as we want that something might be legal in country X, Y or Z, it doesn't really matter: for OSM to be useful in a country (and our goal is to be useful in as many countries as possible,

Re: [Talk-de] Datenschutz Geodaten

2015-08-04 Thread Simon Poole
Wer ist wir in deinem Blogartikel? Am 04.08.2015 um 09:46 schrieb Elstermann, Mike: Auflösung einer Grauzone: https://geoobserver.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/datenschutz-geodaten/ Der geoObserver ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Marking tight corners

2015-08-02 Thread Simon Poole
Potentially an argument could be made for http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turning_radius While it is true that in principle this could be derived from the way geometry, in reality for the use case for which the tag was designed, the geometry is typically not available in enough detail (in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal requirements of permissions to import into OSM

2015-07-26 Thread Simon Poole
We've typically never made a fuss about formalities (aka in triplicate and signed with blood :-)) and as long as it is clear who is giving the permission and in which role, I suspect we would be happy with an e-mail version (extra points if digitally signed). Simon signature.asc Description:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal requirements of permissions to import into OSM

2015-07-24 Thread Simon Poole
I suspect the problem is not quite as large as you think it might be. If they want to use a public licence, while it may not be actually explicitly said anywhere, CC0 or the PDDL are naturally totally acceptable. For one offs/special permission I would suggest using

Re: [Talk-de] Bing vs. NRW-DOP - Neumapper verschieben zeugs

2015-07-20 Thread Simon Poole
Ich würde mich an deiner Stelle zuerst mal selber an der Nase nehmen und ein Proxy für den WMS-Dienst einrichten und den im Imagery-Index eintragen, so dass er auch von iD Benutzern verwendet werden kann. Und dann noch den Newbies in NRW am 1. Tag einen netten Begrüssungsmail schicken und du hast

Re: [OSM-talk] Draft updated privacy policy

2015-07-18 Thread Simon Poole
this as a replacement till such a time that we have a completely redone policy. Simon Am 16.06.2015 um 13:17 schrieb Simon Poole: And now for something completely different. I've produced an updated version of the OSM privacy policy: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Updated_Privacy_Policy (the original

Re: [Talk-de] mangelhafte Namensnennung auf Mapbox-Karten

2015-07-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.07.2015 um 13:07 schrieb Christoph Hormann: ... Und die Unterstellung, dass ich nicht recherchiert hätte, ist hier denke ich weder korrekt noch hilfreich. Ich kenne eine Reihe von Statements vom OSMF-Vorstand zur Lizenz und Attributierung, aber was ich unter einer 'deutlichen

Re: [Talk-de] mangelhafte Namensnennung auf Mapbox-Karten

2015-07-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.07.2015 um 11:57 schrieb Christoph Hormann: ... Von wem soll so eine deutlichere Haltung kommen? Zunächst von der OSMF natürlich (wenngleich eine klare und deutliche Haltung von dort zu irgendeinem Thema vermutlich illusorisch ist). Wenn du recheriert hättest, hättest du mehrere

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.07.2015 um 02:30 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo: But I actually don't want to play that game. I'd rather do my best to let Eircode flop as hard as possible (amongst others by ignoring it in OSM) so that in a few years time the government and/or a coalition of geocoding users decide to

Re: [Talk-de] mangelhafte Namensnennung auf Mapbox-Karten

2015-07-17 Thread Simon Poole
Ich hatte mal so eine Liste angefangen (da es wirklich viele Fälle waren), da aber ziemlich bald darauf MapBox die Quellenhinweis- Mechanik umgebaut hat und es anschliessend deutlich besser wurde, nicht weiterverfolgt. Ich halte das ganze nicht für irgendwie bösartig gemeint, sondern es sind halt

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10

2015-07-17 Thread Simon Poole
read the Eircode off their business card. On 17 July 2015 11:30:55 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: What better way to ignore than come to the conclusion that the data can't be included in OSM and needs to be removed when it turns up? Whatever the merits or de-merits

[OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-16 Thread Simon Poole
Hi all Congrats or not on the introduction of eircode system :-), there is naturally some insecurity as to if we can legally include the data in OSM from user contributions. It would be helpful if somebody could provide the text of the letter you received with your eircode to the LWG, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0

2015-07-13 Thread Simon Poole
an extra permission for that be required? Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote: Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0

2015-07-13 Thread Simon Poole
Ivan The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest simply asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that the government has no rights in such vectorized data. It is, as you may have seen

Re: [OSM-talk] Replication broken?

2015-07-12 Thread Simon Poole
There was an event of some kind at 20:00 BST which led to a number of machines rebooting and other not so good stuff, it is being looked in to. Simon Am 12.07.2015 um 22:20 schrieb Walter Nordmann: Hi, about 2 hours ago the osmosis replpcation using planet minute diffs seems to be broken.

Re: [OSM-talk] Replication broken?

2015-07-12 Thread Simon Poole
Replcation has been back for a while, ramoth didn't come back up on its own and had to be booted by Tom. Simon Am 12.07.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Simon Poole: There was an event of some kind at 20:00 BST which led to a number of machines rebooting and other not so good stuff, it is being looked

Re: [Talk-de] Uber kauft Karten-Technologie von Microsoft

2015-06-30 Thread Simon Poole
Wird man dann sehen ... ansonsten sind die Bilder von Mapbox meistens ein guter Ersatz (in beiden Fällen stammen ja die Aufnahmen von DigitalGlobe und Mapbox scheint sie etwas besser zu pflegen). Simon Am 30.06.2015 um 22:09 schrieb Eifelhunde: Können wir das weiter benutzen wenn BING

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread Simon Poole
Am 29.06.2015 um 17:00 schrieb John Bergmayer: On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:55:08 +0200, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A condition of having a valid licence to use OSM data is providing a suitable way of pointing out the conditions of use of said data to your users/customers/etc (which

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread Simon Poole
Well the more basic question is: would you in the end have a marketable product that you could sell in places where people actually have money? And the answer is likely no. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mappers and apps should focus on relations at the very start

2015-06-28 Thread Simon Poole
Am 28.06.2015 um 08:34 schrieb Jo: ... As far as the datatypes go, I would be all in favor for the area datatype. I hear a lot of talk about it, and I don't understand why it doesn't materialise. While we're at it, we should 'formalise' a few more of the things we now use relations for.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-27 Thread Simon Poole
are enshrined in the following places: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines Simon Am 27.06.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: Simon Poole wrote: As the name of this list says

Re: [OSM-talk] Draft updated privacy policy

2015-06-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 18.06.2015 um 18:16 schrieb Greg Troxel: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch writes: I've produced an updated version of the OSM privacy policy: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Updated_Privacy_Policy (the original resides here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy). I have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.06.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Tom Lee: But of course OSM extracts and snapshots are available all over the web, and from interfaces that don't introduce or even mention any contractual relationship with OSMF as a condition of download (whether the user is an OSM contributor or has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Jan Erik As the name of this list says it is legal talk (aka yapping without consequence) ... not get-help-from-the-OSMF. The proper places to address are plastered all over openstreetmap.org and osmfoundation.org: le...@osmfoundation.org (policy issues and similar) or

Re: [Talk-de] Openlandscapemap ohne Lizenzhinweis

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Die Tiles sind von gravitystorm aka Andy Alan .. ich stupf ihn mal. Simon Am 26.06.2015 um 11:29 schrieb Michael Paulmann: Hallo! Ich habe openlandscapemap auf Gaia GPS entdeckt und die Karte wird immer ohne unseren Lizenzhinweis verwendet. Wie weisst man die Betreiber jetzt darauf hin

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Am 26.06.2015 um 16:55 schrieb Tom Lee: As the name of this list says it is legal talk (aka yapping without consequence) ... not get-help-from-the-OSMF I'm sorry to see this practice discouraged. The archive description[1] says this is the list for discussion of all legal matters relating

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Am 26.06.2015 um 16:55 schrieb Tom Lee: ... As I noted elsewhere[2], EU and US law don't seem to make database IDs eligible for copyright (or associated license requirements), at least when their reproduction is associated with the lawful use of the relevant database. So I think

[Talk-de] Draft updated privacy policy

2015-06-16 Thread Simon Poole
Historisch war Datenschutz in der Deutschen Community immer ein heisses Thema, deshalb einen speziellen Verweis auf https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-June/073347.html hier. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-16 Thread Simon Poole
Am 16.06.2015 um 01:40 schrieb Clifford Snow: Following this thread makes me wonder how people feel about some of the issues raised. The link below is quick survey about some of the issues raised in the thread. Please take a minute or two to respond. If I get sufficient answers I will

[OSM-talk] Draft updated privacy policy

2015-06-16 Thread Simon Poole
And now for something completely different. I've produced an updated version of the OSM privacy policy: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Updated_Privacy_Policy (the original resides here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy). This is largely a private undertaking, it however has

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole
Am 15.06.2015 um 11:37 schrieb Lester Caine: ... All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link? ... We're really getting substantially off topic now. Apps on android in general don't have

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole
contributors are? Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped data? That we don't really believe in our own success? -Kate On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole
Am 15.06.2015 um 22:18 schrieb Arun Ganesh: Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks could improve things. The very simple answer is that most people who know English and can afford a smartphone

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole
Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick: ... Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the project and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM contributors, not to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and perhaps contribute to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.06.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Kate Chapman: Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I don't think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across cultures, geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People usually point to the TIGER import in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-14 Thread Simon Poole
I think little can be said against careful, respectful mapping of base infrastructure (aka major road and other transportation facilities), as far as possible with input from the local inhabitants, particularly in the case of emergencies, by harnessing the combined prowess of OSM mappers. As had

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.06.2015 um 19:33 schrieb Kate Chapman: I should point out that none of the above is in any way new, just conveniently ignored. Not ignored, I'm just not sure it is solid enough evidence to justify for or against imports worldwide. If we can't extrapolate from the

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