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which prevented any recovery vehicle
accessing from that end and any chance of pulling it out that way
anyway. It had to be pulled back and exit the way it came in. Whether
lorries of this size should even be on these roads is another matter :)
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question is just why
the kerb to the footpath and the cycleway had to be moved at all? It no
longer lines up with the next section anyway.
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One does wonder about the competence of builders at times?
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source of local time data for example.
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On 20/07/2020 22:11, Rob Nickerson wrote:
If there are no red flags I will move for a vote.
Looks sensible to me but will there be a matching usrn tag?
I see the occasional use of :gb: on other tags and any 'convention' on
upper or lower case is possibly an international one
anything actually says the country code being upper case trumps the
convention of tags being lower case? I'm a long time PHP user where the
case is agnostic anyway in many cases but again that is not specified
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accurate data.
On 10/07/2020 14:21, Lester Caine wrote:
On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote:
This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can
be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely
to spot errors - members of the gene
of raw data. I don't think THAT has changed since the
requirements for councils to provided the raw NPLG data passed into law?
I'm fairly sure the street data is part of the same legal framework ...
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On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 22:24 +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
What is needed is a means of adding LAYERS of data which can be
managed either via third party data sets, or manual edited using
existing tools to add data that is missing from the narrow view
confined
On 04/07/2020 20:33, David Woolley wrote:
On 04/07/2020 18:24, Lester Caine wrote:
The current 'OHM' is not a layer that can be easily combined with the
current 'OSM' layer. Large sections of the current data are simply
cloned into OHM
I'm not referring to OHM; I'm referring to the main OSM
with
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what is available against the now
somewhat out of data local extracts I have from the original NLPG dataset.
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which may be
to approach the destination from the other end and perhaps even indicate
'back up to destination' ... now that WOULD be an intelligent router ...
but if there is no information on which to base that decision even the
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to difficult to 'recover' it after systems stopped working.
So where would I head to get my hands on an XML dump of the current data
to see if I can push it into the copy of Q2A I've just set up ...
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Question2Answer looks like it's being well supported. At least it has a
release that works on the latest PHP and while it's a little long in the
tooth, https://github.com/jamesspittal/osqa-q2a offers a hope that there
is potential to pump existing material across?
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faster updates are now happening at
least as new road names are created.
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receiving datasets this was a
secondary piece of data yet at that time we were looking to manage the
postcode tables for the councils that were providing the UPRN feed! They
were not prepared to pay Royal Mail for data that they were legally
required to create themselves ...
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the UPRN allows is the addition of
external information which is also managed by public services.
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processing the location information, but being able to simply list all
of them WITHOUT the overhead of other processing has to be the right way
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hange most of the references but
https://rainbowdigitalmedia.uk/wiki/view/NLPG+Data
is now up to date, just again, BS7666 is another chargeable element and
my copy is no longer available on-line :(
OH and it should be UPRN/USRN nowadays ... my 2006 databases still have
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o identify that this short form is actually correct, but
your council tax or business rates will be charged against the UPRN
reference on the council systems. It is not intended to be anything
other than a 'machine readable' unique refference ...
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common country based tag for 'Property Reference' and 'Street Reference'
may be a valid subject. But UPRN and USN seem right anyway.
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problem, although the wiki site which carried all of the reported errors
has now been taken down by Facebook :(
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looking up on OASAnd and not finding which I need
to actually put in!
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they are a key part of vehicle routing.
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to 'tertiary'
should apply where a route IS more access route than primary link
between to 'higher classification' routes.
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processes will always be wrong. The
real problem is that there is no mechanism to add corrections in a
secondary system in much the same way as there is no translation system
for the key English elements of the data. Even IPA strings depend on the
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omeone has an
'approved' way of adding it back?
Personally I think that micro-mapping complex junctions does require
multiple ways even if the planned routes through a junction can be
abused by taking the wrong path ...
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fairly sure that weight limit signs are always in tonnes and have a
't' after the weight figure. The regulations certainly refer to 7.5
tonnes as a base for weight restriction for structural reasons and
vehicle plated limits are in tonnes.
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use OS material, but the developers drawings don't
and in most cases even OS don't have the new roads and other details so
permission to use is all that IS needed.
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On 28/01/2019 18:24, Will Phillips wrote:
On 28/01/2019 17:28, Lester Caine wrote:
The reality is that for the UK ALL we need is the Postcode to supply a
reference to the Royal Mail 'postal address' as that is purely a Royal
Mail invention anyway. I personally don't see the need to add
r:street' everywhere but that is what people seem to prefer. Adding
several more addr: fields to EVERY building is just taking things too far?
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to quickly draw an outline and then create several objects with the same
set of tags is easier than trying to manually create each linked element
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the two halves of a semi these days. But draw one half with all it's
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my book. The other metro lines are similarly owned and
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On 17/11/2018 14:46, David Woolley wrote:
On 17/11/18 14:36, Lester Caine wrote:
Who operates the station, and who operates on each line accessing that
station. The various ID's would help keep this data up to date.
You need to distinguish between operating the line and operating
services
covers all the options. Who operates the station, and who
operates on each line accessing that station. The various ID's would
help keep this data up to date.
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that stations like Ormskirk would have that problem ;)
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the lack of Firebug as the
replacement has problems with font sizes at least on linux and does not
provide some of the nice features Firebug STILL provides on my
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ng the new
version, but the old version is still valid data and needs to be handled
better than it is currently. If the process is managed properly then
adding additional historic data should not be a problem since the vast
majority of that data will simply be a 'start_date' for objects that A
On 29/08/18 21:21, Jubal Harpster wrote:
Stadium Mews
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/260127900
https://goo.gl/maps/JJNxamCgLy12
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I find the practice of adding ANY tag that does not enhance the data as
pointless. There is no need to TAG that there is no number ... you just
don't add the tag ... just as the example here ...
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yes could be used to identify that there are associated
area objects that can be used on higher resolution mapping. I don't
think 'area:highway=' has place especially where the 'centerline' way is
used to combine several highway=xxx types such as road,cycleway and
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On 08/08/18 17:03, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
I think these things are at least partly a product of what generation
you belong to.
I think one can include 'Middlesex' in that package? Just when will it
cease to exist ;)
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then 'start_date' ...
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it'. It's
not difficult for a computer to manage and if people have the desire to
start filling in all the gaps then they should be supported, not told to
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displayed, but one still use them to avoid several miles of 'detour' via
primary roads because the sat nav does no accept them as a 'fast route'.
OSMAnd is a sod for that problem :(
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On 08/08/18 10:56, Dave F wrote:
On 08/08/2018 09:54, Lester Caine wrote:
we are now in a situation where much accurately mapped material is
simply dumped when there is a change to the current situation.
1. it's not dumped, it's still in the database as a historic version.
2. Changes almost
' and
add a new section with the boundary change as 'start_date=xxx'. The ONLY
question is what happens to the data once it has an end date ... which
may be some time in the future ...
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using them is just another plus for OSM. But I have no problem accepting
that this should be on a UK specific map rather than something dumbed
down for the whole world ...
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way and we just need to add
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=secondary'
references can suffer from the same problem of not actually being
displayed on the ground. So how the renderers handle this element is a
world wide problem, and perhaps 'display_ref=no' would be appropriate in
some areas of the world?
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it to display 60 or 70 as
appropriate :( And I WILL get around to adding a UK rendering of road
colours sometime ...
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displayed on the ground! Should they be
tagged using some 'hide' tag? 'ref' is the correct tag for the way's
reference number ...
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, but 'FIXME' is clean and
changing them just because you can adds nothing to the data. Get on an
deal with them to remove them all together is the right tack ...
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'FIXME' and 'fixme' can exist on the same node just seems wrong in ANY case?
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map and I know the technology is there, just not the resources to
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see much movement on signage being taken down on other closed
businesses? So we maintain the accurate mapping ... and map what is seen.
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On 04/05/2018 12:52, Lester Caine wrote:
it's not helped when postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post
offices in there search results! According to them Broadway does not
have a post office ;)
It comes up for me at Russell Square, Back Lane
Broadway does not have a post office ;)
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On 09/03/18 20:19, Philip Barnes wrote:
Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both modify a
Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both.
I will try to check what brand it really is.
It's a Welcome Break, so Shell ... at least it was last time I passed.
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know the answer, but should the API be able
to accept these ID's anyway? In an ideal world, the previous now hidden
data should perhaps be flagged when the ID is used?
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not have motorways at all? Certainly the current default rendering is
useless for many of us anyway so we have to ue an alternate anyway ...
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postal_code has the same problem of matching ... OR is that only to be
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so similar to 'Flat 1 Block of
Flats' ' Street' but this still leaves the 'addr:street' or
'postal_code' question for the tag on the primary street. Having SOME of
these tagged 'addr:parentstreet' is simply wrong ...
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addr:postcode ... 'postal_code' pairs up with 'is_in' which is something
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It has been a while and my notes and crib sheets seem to be messed up.
Have JOSM running with ImportImagePlugin and I have a tif file with a 28
pixel per meter scale, and the lat and long for the top left corner, but
I'm obviously not putting the right
done in the past and fine tuned position once loaded so has
something changed, or have I just got the wrong data. I'm fairly sure I
also had a Linux program that helped me play with the values but having
brain freeze at the moment ...
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nav's these days understand a postcode better than a street name.
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addr:postcode from the street especially where routing to the property
can take you to the wrong street where the building is closer to another
road but has no access from it. So I'm not going to remove valid tagging ...
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addr:street= when the road already has name= ... The adjacent building
use addr:street= ...
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2018-01-23 10:06 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk
<mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>>:
Actually it's more likely to be the estate name so for my near by
estate it is messy since I've ended up using 'housenumber' so that
A' or something
similar. Units on a storage site may well be more complex than just
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phone <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone?uselang=en-GB>+44
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> but no street or city. The whole thing seems odd to me.
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On 21/11/17 04:02, Marc Gemis wrote:
> I'll agree with Yuri that is has to be the choice of the mapper to
> work in a specific region and not the challenge creator.
I stopped using MapRoulette simply because it was taking me well out of
my comfort zone ...
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more detail to this. Certainly many Shell and BP forecourts are
owned and run by Spar and not Shell or BP ...
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olour scheme in the UK map.
I keep looking at OSMAND and thinking ... I must look at what is needed
for a UK road theme there we have American and German! Vector display
really is the way forward then one can select the right default for any
area.
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is really Cheltenham Road. All needs a bit of an update as the
Transport Cafe has been closed for a while and the lorry park is closed
off. But like many 'Shell' stations, it is operated by a third party,
not by Shell.
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On 02/11/17 10:34, Warin wrote:
> On 02-Nov-17 09:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 02/11/17 09:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>> ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this.
>> I think the problem is similar to the multiple areas problem. There are
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ng different interpretations on existing tags
depending on where they are used?
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requested as perhaps a barrier or simply as an amenity ... or has been
preserved as it has been there for hundreds of years ...
We need to build a proper hierarchy of LANDUSE into which more detail
can be added if required?
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