Re: [Talk-GB] Motor Vehicles Access tagging in Pedestrian Zones with exceptions

On 08/02/2025 13:19, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 at 12:55, Mark Goodge wrote: The most appropriate tag, according to the wiki, would be access=delivery. That's not quite the same meaning in UK law as loading, but it's a lot closer than destination. If there is a dist

Re: [Talk-GB] Motor Vehicles Access tagging in Pedestrian Zones with exceptions

On 07/02/2025 10:47, Martin Wynne wrote: On 07/02/2025 10:24, Chris Pankhurst via Talk-GB wrote: Hi All, I am seeking your thoughts regarding how to tag for the various Motor Vehicles when there is a sign showing “PEDESTRIAN ZONE, No motor vehicles except for buses, permit holders and loadi

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping for the router?

On 30/01/2025 17:22, Chris Hodges wrote: FWIW _bike_ routers love service roads, at least when they run parallel to classified roads. Most are capable of dealing with "private" tags though In this particular case, bikes are legitimately entitled to use it, as in PRoW terms it's a bridleway. S

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping for the router?

On 30/01/2025 17:06, Jez Nicholson wrote: Sounds like someone is going crazy with people trying to take a shortcut to IKEA. Don't know whether service roads are ignored by routers because I would have thought lots of destinations have them. Yes, a look at the history shows it was originally

[Talk-GB] Mapping for the router?

I found a slightly odd little stretch of road coincidentally while lookup up something else entirely! https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24259979 This very short stretch of Nunhide Lane is tagged as a track, whereas the rest of it is tagged as an unclassified road. From Google Streetview and M

Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Shakespeare Theatre

On 30/01/2025 15:01, Andy Mabbett wrote: This famous building in Stratford-upon-Avon is known as the "Royal Shakespeare Theatre": https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41312172 but we label it "Royal Shakespeare Company", and have an auditorium inside the building named "Royal Shakespeare Th

Re: [Talk-GB] Street names when sources disagree

On 27/01/2025 10:42, Tom Hughes wrote: I think I would have gone the other way round given the unhyphenated street sign appears to be newer than the hyphenated one suggesting that is the current preferred form. That said the 1886, 1968 and 1973 OS sheets use the unhyphenated form:   https:/

[Talk-GB] Street names when sources disagree

The naming of streets, as TS Eliot might have said had OpenStreetmap been around in his day, is a difficult matter. Anyway, there's one locally that's just sparked a discussion on social media, and thought I'd ask for comments here before making any changes. The street in question is Way 25574

Re: [Talk-GB] Private (unadopted) roads

On 15/11/2024 17:19, Andy Mabbett wrote: A new development near my home is on a newly created, unadopted road [1]. The street signs say "Maryvale Rise / Private road" [2], but there is no suggestion that access is restricted. Another road nearby is similar [3, 4], and is tagged "access=privat

Re: [Talk-GB] U-Turn guidance in London

On 01/10/2024 10:51, Warin wrote: On 30/9/24 03:08, Michael Tsang wrote: There is a no right turn sign. U turn is a kind of right turn, so it is legally prohibited. Err I think you are mistaken? A right turn may not be permitted as to do so would enter a one way street the wrong way, wh

Re: [Talk-GB] UK street addressing

On 21/12/2020 15:07, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 12:50, Colin Smale wrote: Royal Mail say that a house number must be numeric, and anything else (like Rose Cottage, 7A, 3-7, 11/13 etc) should go in the house name field. So in a row of three adjacent, identical houses, known

Re: [Talk-GB] Anglican churches

On 18/12/2020 19:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: https://osm.mathmos.net/nameless/amenity/place_of_worship . I think a lot of them may have been armchair-mapped from possibly out of date maps. So if anyone is at a loose end and fancies trying to work out if the places of worship listed

Re: [Talk-GB] Anglican churches

On 18/12/2020 18:03, Sean Blanchflower wrote: In addition there are many more mapped with various tags (by others) which are in fact closed or redundant churches. I've been marking them as disused:amenity=place_of_worship when I come across them, but there are still many more that I haven't

Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

On 14/12/2020 17:49, Martin Wynne wrote: On 14/12/2020 17:27, Edward Bainton wrote: Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough (at Deeping St James)? Someone took their tracker with the

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On 12/12/2020 12:34, Martin Wynne wrote: A common situation is that a service road/driveway continues as a track beyond the initial residential destination. This is common on farms. On the standard map at zoom level 15, driveways are not shown. But tracks and footpaths are. This seems counte

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

On 10/12/2020 21:17, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:52 PM Martin Wynne > wrote: Are there any public cycleways from which pedestrians are actually banned? I don’t know the legal basis, but according to OSM there are plenty of

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

On 10/12/2020 14:08, Tony Shield wrote: /Are there any public cycleways from which pedestrians are actually banned? / Unfortunately yes - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/827379295 Quite clear signage - Mapillary - https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.66933432657343&lng=-2.6290113968031967

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

On 10/12/2020 16:28, Ken Kilfedder wrote: > I think there are enough items that look and act like a cycles-only way to make it worth having a fourth item in your hierarchy- whatever the legal position. But route-finding software needs to know the legal position. Mapping something as cycles-o

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

On 10/12/2020 15:39, Phillip Barnett wrote: “ any road that cars can use is also open to cyclists and pedestrians ” Pedestrians? Are you sure about that? Yes, you can walk along country roads that lack pavements, but try that in a town and I’m pretty sure you’d get stopped quite quickly. Leg

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

On 10/12/2020 12:41, Ken Kilfedder wrote: As a break from 'tagging for the renderer', I'd like to see rendering for the tags.  It would save a lot of heartarche if the map on osm.org showed shared-use paths explicitly. I entirely agree! I think the real problem here is that the standard O

Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

On 07/12/2020 17:34, Ken Kilfedder wrote: That's the name in latin for the UK, I think. Is it under name:la, and do you have your browser set to latin for some reason? No, my browser is set to English. But it does have Latin as one of several alternate languages. Odd that Nominatim seems t

[Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects in the UK? For example: https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osm

Re: [Talk-GB] featdesc & featcode

On 19/11/2020 16:35, George Honeywood wrote: Hi, I have a feeling it might be related to OS OpenData, perhaps from importing without deleting the original tags. Yes, if memory serves it's from the now defunct OS 50k gazetteer. Mark ___ Talk-GB ma

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

On 18/11/2020 11:10, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: It could well vary by local authority, but looking at the pattern of URPNs near where I live, it certainly seems that there is one assigned to every public road. There is consistently exactly UPRN at one end or the other of each road. Th

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

On 18/11/2020 09:55, James Derrick wrote: Building UPRN tags appear to be more clear-cut, with the U*SN location node around the centre of a building way. As we all learn more about the data, perhaps I (and others?) may have been to quick to add USRN tags as they first became available? U

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

On 17/11/2020 15:41, Robert Skedgell wrote: Roads can have more than one USRN. I've come across some sections of road which appear to have more than one Designated Street Name record (possibly streets which cross authority boundaries?). In addition to this, there may be records of types Unoffi

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

On 17/11/2020 14:47, I wrote: But, having said that ...or can a road have a USRN *and* a UPRN? Yes. And, in this particular case: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/ref%3AGB%3Auprn=10071171668 (follow the Overpass turbo link to see it mapped) what we have is what, from a mapping

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

On 17/11/2020 14:10, Jez Nicholson wrote: Whilst i'm here, am I correct that a UPRN can *only* be on a single thing? So anything in https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=ref%3AGB%3Auprn#values more than once is an err

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

On 17/11/2020 11:34, Jez Nicholson wrote: Following the fine efforts of a number of people to get ref:GB:uprn through the tag proposal process I have created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:GB:uprn Please add information to i

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

On 31/10/2020 11:03, Ben Proctor wrote: Example: name: Caernarfon name:cy Caernarfon That's not a particularly good example, as Caernarfon is the Welsh name. The English name is Caernarvon. But in this case, nobody, not even the English, uses the English name any more. The English version

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 30/10/2020 20:10, ipswichmapper--- via Talk-GB wrote: Also, the messages by "Mark Goodge" and "Ken Kilfedder" (spiregrain) didn't show up in my email. Why is this? (Is it because their "reply all" didn't include my address by mistake?) I'm sti

Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

On 30/10/2020 18:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: Oct 30, 2020, 16:28 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: It has come to my attention that the "Town Plan" map from 1944-1967 in NLS is available freely. What are its licensing terms? "available freely" does not mean "compatible wi

[Talk-GB] Mapping a building that's two connected separate buildings

I was looking at tidying up a few things around my local area, and came across this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.08855/-1.94195 What you can see there is a building labelled "Evesham Hotel" (which is correct), and, just to the south-west of it, another, unlabelled building. Howe

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: Remember: OSM is not an IT project. Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM is not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database matters. Fixing clear and obvious errors, such as invalid URLs in a "websit

Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?

On 18/09/2020 21:27, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: I encountered https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/4140 and it is hard to me how it should be decided. I'd say that Jewson is primarily a trade outlet. Although they do advertise themselves to the consumer (DIY) mark

Re: [Talk-GB] Flatholm Island Boundary Problem

On 12/09/2020 21:23, Russ Garrett wrote: I've foolishly now decided to try to get to the bottom of it - the beating of the bounds still doesn't explain why exactly it covers that area (although I'm impressed that the Lord Mayor managed to commandeer a warship to do so!) AIUI, it's because it'

Re: [Talk-GB] Flatholm Island Boundary Problem

On 12/09/2020 21:11, Rob Nickerson wrote: "extremely stupid reasons" in this case relates to an very old tradition where the Lord Mayor of Bristol 'beats the bounds' of the city by rowing/sailing out to the islands. As a consequence a small wedge of the city of Bristol bounds lies within We

Re: [Talk-GB] Street-name toids

On 13/08/2020 15:30, Nick wrote: On delving deeper, it looks as if my comment is a load of rubbish. UPRNs that are listed do include huge numbers of adopted roads - so if we could have a list of these and other 'non-addressable' UPRNs, it would help users identify relevant ones How are you

Re: [Talk-GB] Street-name toids

On 13/08/2020 13:34, I wrote: The TOIDs in those datasets can then be cross-referenced against OS OpenNames to give the OS name for the linked USRNs. Although this isn't, always, the same as the official USRN name of the street, which can be confusing. But that's because OS (like OSM) maps

Re: [Talk-GB] Street-name toids

On 13/08/2020 11:25, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 16:56, SK53 wrote: OpenRoads from the Ordnance Survey contains a field containing the toid for the street name. I wonder if we should include these alongside usrn & uprn. They may be more useful than either for

Re: [Talk-GB] Street-name toids

On 12/08/2020 16:54, SK53 wrote: OpenRoads from the Ordnance Survey contains a field containing the toid for the street name. I wonder if we should include these alongside usrn & uprn. They may be more useful than either for gathering complex roads which share a name. Experimentally I have

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 02/08/2020 11:58, Jez Nicholson wrote: My initial thought was also "conspiracy!". Licence problem is more likely, or perhaps they were concerned that someone might poll the URL with every available UPRN. I'm certain that it's been done to prevent people using the EA site as a means of lo

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 01/08/2020 20:24, Nick wrote: As a follow up, Robert Whittaker also submitted an FOI asking for "... a list of all UPRNs that are classified as 'historic', and a separate list of all those classified as a 'parent' ". the logicto me was that this would help users of Open Data to then fi

Re: [Talk-GB] Surveying rural buildings

On 24/07/2020 13:20, Martin Wynne wrote:  > but most people I know aren't aware of OSM. I've been trying to persuade country-walking groups to use OSM. There is a lot of useful stuff there not shown on OS Explorer -- stiles, kissing gates, benches, bus stops, all pubs, cafes, etc. It's a lo

Re: [Talk-GB] Another UPRN/ oddity

On 23/07/2020 00:16, Andy Mabbett wrote: Here's a good one... I know the street at: https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.54633&mlon=-1.91892#map=19/52.54633/-1.91892 which is a side-loop off the Queslett Road dual carriageway (and, indeed is the original alignment of Queslett Road, be

Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

On 22/07/2020 23:02, Dave Love wrote: On Wed, 2020-07-15 at 10:18 +0100, Tony OSM wrote: For a building or similar I presently use HE_ref=1072653 heritage=2 heritage:operator= Historic England historic= heritage listed_status=Grade II name= War Memorial Gateway to Astley Park barrier=gate st

Re: [Talk-GB] Electric vehicle charging points

On 21/07/2020 21:27, ael wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 05:30:25PM +0100, Mark Goodge wrote: On 21/07/2020 16:57, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: Is the National Chargepoint Registry data open for OSM now? If not somebody should write a nice enough letter? It is open, it's OGL now

Re: [Talk-GB] Electric vehicle charging points

On 21/07/2020 20:56, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 21/07/2020 17:30, Mark Goodge wrote: On 21/07/2020 16:57, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: Is the National Chargepoint Registry data open for OSM now? If not somebody should write a nice enough letter? It is open, it's OGL now. But

Re: [Talk-GB] Electric vehicle charging points

On 21/07/2020 16:57, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: Is the National Chargepoint Registry data open for OSM now? If not somebody should write a nice enough letter? It is open, it's OGL now. But it's not reliable enough for an unfiltered bulk import; there are duplicate entries, incorrect coor

Re: [Talk-GB] Electric vehicle charging points

On 21/07/2020 12:58, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: 1538 nationwide. Which is a long way short of the 10,000+ listed in the National Chargepoint Registry. Use this to see what other tags contributors are adding. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Wia It seems to be patchy, and very dependent on loc

[Talk-GB] Electric vehicle charging points

Do we map electric vehicle charging points? If not, should we? None of the ones in my town are on OSM, at the moment. I could add them, but it seems a bit pointless if they're not generally mapped. Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

On 15/07/2020 09:05, Phillip Barnett wrote: Could you not just ask the local mapper to knock on any doors in the street and ASK them the name? And then use that local knowledge? In this case, there are no doors on the street as it's just an access road! What might work would be to contact a

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

On 15/07/2020 08:35, o...@poppe.dev wrote: We wish to refer you to the Adopted Roads map for this information. This can found via: http://maps.ealing.gov.uk/Webreports/Highways/Adoptedroads.html You are free to use this information for your own use, including for non-commercial research pur

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

On 11/07/2020 07:47, Steve Doerr wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So, it seems that Fairfield [Road] isn't known to either OS or Google. It is shown (in abbreviated form) on streetmap.co.uk, but at that zoom level, in London, that's based on the Bartholomew A-Z maps r

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

On 10/07/2020 16:00, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: After not having any luck in finding out of copyright maps that helped I wondered, if a FOI request to Ealing Council, naming the exact location and asking for the name would be fruitful. Did anyone ever try something like this? Would this

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

On 10/07/2020 14:21, Lester Caine wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge

[Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

Apologies for the long read, but this may be interesting to some folk. This follows on from my earlier response to Kai Michael Poppe about "Fairfield Road" in Ealing. On 04/07/2020 12:02, I wrote: To find the USRN of the path, you need to use the lookup tables supplied by OS. Doing that, we

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 05/07/2020 18:42, I wrote: On 05/07/2020 18:35, Robert Skedgell wrote: Is it possible that your installation of GDAL doesn't include support for the GPKG vector driver? Yes, I get the error Unable to open datasource `osopenusrn_202007.gpkg' with the following drivers Just as a foll

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 05/07/2020 18:35, Robert Skedgell wrote: On 05/07/2020 17:58, Mark Goodge wrote: Just out of interest, is there any simple way to export data from GeoPackage (eg, to GML or GeoJSON) via the command line on Linux? I've tried ogr2ogr, but that doesn't seem to recognise GeoPa

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 05/07/2020 17:45, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: On 05.07.2020 17:51, Andy Mabbett wrote: I've set up a quick slippy map with the UPRN locations shown: https://osm.mathmos.net/addresses/uprn/ (zoom in to level 16 to show the data) Naive question - can that be added as a layer in JOSM? I

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 04/07/2020 12:16, Stephen Knox wrote: I don't think there is value in bringing in the points themselves but I think there definitely is value in tagging existing buildings / locations with the UPRN where it is incontrovertible - e.g. a single unit house. This is the vast majority of the buil

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 04/07/2020 06:16, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: So, a few months ago I stumbled upon a note (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2158104#map=19/51.49829/-0.32762) that StreetComplete left saying, that the street couldn't be given a name because there's none shown. Back then, I used streetm

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 03/07/2020 20:37, I wrote: You could probably also match the names from OS OpenMap using the same principle. That doesn't include USRNs, but the LineStrings are likely to match the Open USRN geometry pretty closely. Either way, it should be possible to assign names to Open USRNs simply by

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN & USRN Tagging

On 03/07/2020 21:07, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 15:31, Tony OSM wrote: Question: Should uprn be applied to the building outline or to a node? Yes ;-) Some UPRNs have a 1:1 relation with a building or object (terraced, semi- or detached house, telephone box, etc.) Some do n

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 03/07/2020 11:23, Tony OSM wrote: I spent part of yesterday navigating the relevant OS and LandRegistry sites and trying to figure out what we can do. We can basically put UPRN and USRN into OSM freely - the license is written to enable that.  OS have also separated out the ability to mat

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 02/07/2020 19:52, SK53 wrote: Post boxes, substations, patches of grass (I presume), and bus stops are things I've spotted. The oddity is a great forest of UPRNs over a hospital building . They may possibly be multiple postal

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

On 02/07/2020 18:38, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Robert, Many thanks for producing that map. I was able to look at my street and see a blue pin in each of the building outlines that I had mapped from aerial imagery, so that gave me a warm, smug feeling :) I too noticed some not-yet-

Re: [Talk-GB] "secret" site

On 28/06/2020 15:12, Dave Love wrote: On Sun, 2020-06-28 at 13:37 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote: On 28/06/2020 12:18, Dave Love wrote: On Sun, 2020-06-28 at 09:33 +0100, Robert Skedgell wrote: Is it mapped or does it appear to be redacted on NLS's out-of- copyright OS maps? Yes, for NL

Re: [Talk-GB] "secret" site

On 28/06/2020 12:18, Dave Love wrote: On Sun, 2020-06-28 at 09:33 +0100, Robert Skedgell wrote: Is it mapped or does it appear to be redacted on NLS's out-of- copyright OS maps? Yes, for NLS and current OS displayed by MAGIC. Is that yes, it's mapped, or yes, it's redacted? Mark

Re: [Talk-GB] Rockall

On 15/06/2020 10:23, Colin Smale wrote: A new mapper has changed the status of Rockall, removing it from the UK admin boundaries. As I understand it Rockall is accepted as UK territory although it can't be used as a baseline to extend the EEZ. I contacted the mapper with a changeset comment a

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

On 15/05/2020 13:50, Andy Townsend wrote: The problem is that they're not necessary "all the same fundamental object".  Ashover Showground is "a patch of grass with some nice gates where something happens one a year".  Stoneleigh is essentially an agricultural business park. Yes, and in be

Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

On 17/04/2020 15:15, Brian Prangle wrote: Rather than mappers up and down the country with varying evels of Excel skills spending many dozens of hours cleaning up this csv could somebody be kind enough to publish somewhere a cleaned up copy? It would be a great resource for the QP. OK, here

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 10/04/2020 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote: Can I ask two  basic daft questions? What use are these in OSM if we only pick at them instead of importing the lot ( which is  highly unlikely)? UPRNs will be useful on any mapped building or area, as it will help link OSM data to other datasets in

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 20:58, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: If uprn is supposed to denote an address, why not simply use addr:uprn? It doesn't denote an address. While a lot of premises that have a UPRN also have an address, there are also many that don't. Every individual field in an agricultural are

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 17:18, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 13:06, Mark Goodge wrote: They're a 10 to 12 digit integer. Is there a check digit? No, they're a simple sequential allocation. So an error can't be detected internally, it does need to be verified. But the s

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 09/04/2020 14:26, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: I would have said that ref:uprn and ref:usrn are the natural choices for use to use. However, I've seen some calls for country codes to be added to 3rd-party ref values, so we might consider ref:UK:uprn and ref:UK:usrn instead. This isn'

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 03/04/2020 10:15, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: So, will I have to quote a 20-digit alpha-numeric code, if I want to order something from Amazon? ..or get my grandchildren to send me a birthday card? (I do not know what these UPRN's look like, but I bet they are not as easy to remember

Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission to release UPRN/ UPSN identifiers under Open Government Licence

On 03/04/2020 09:27, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: There will presumably be a drive in government circles to store addresses as UPRN's, and then fetch the associated location and address data from AddressBase. Assuming Rob's interpretation is correct (I think it probably is) then this co

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

On 30/03/2020 19:08, Steve Doerr wrote: Is this relevant/ https://ecoworldlondon.com/places-to-live/current/verdo-kew-bridge Yes; that's also the subject of a Wikipedia page that appears to have been created by the same person. It's the promotional name of a new housing development, not a r

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

On 20/03/2020 10:55, European Water Project wrote: Dear All, Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill. Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary data, but their App is open because anybody can use it  :) For comparison purposes, I ins

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

On 14/03/2020 19:36, Jake Edmonds wrote: On 14 Mar 2020, at 20:09, Mark Goodge <mailto:m...@good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote: If we do come up with an agreed tagging system, I'd be happy to add tags for all the establishments in my town that I know offer this service. Maybe yo

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

On 14/03/2020 17:45, Philip Barnes wrote: They do seem very secretive about the locations of these outlets, there appears to be no indication on their website even beyond there may be one somewhere in this area. They came to the council that I sit on to ask for grant funding to get the sch

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

On 24/02/2020 12:02, Ian Caldwell wrote: As a local, I think it should be tagged as commercial. There is some event there most weeks. It's a very commercial organisation. There are events which use buildings at the showground most weeks outside winter. But not that many which use the gra

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

On 24/02/2020 11:34, Brian Prangle wrote: This is a case where landcover and landuse get confused in the OSM scheme of things. Yes it's grass but that's not its use. Its use is commercial : the  space is rented commercially to exhibitors who sell goods to attendees who pay an entrance fee, wi

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

On 24/02/2020 11:44, Andy Townsend wrote: I suspect that it'll depend on the showground.  For Stoneleigh (which used to host the Royal Show), I'd have said commercial was correct.  For Ashover https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/231760526 (much smaller!) you could perhaps make a case for recre

[Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

Morning all, Someone has commented on a change I made to the Three Counties showground last year when I changed the tagging to landuse=grass rather than landuse=commercial. Their suggestion is that it really ought to be landuse=recreation_ground, with a secondary tag of surface=grass. https:

Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol

On 15/02/2020 12:08, Borbus wrote: I've long suspected that local councils and other government bodies are giving data directly to Google. I've seen developments turn up on Google maps that couldn't possibly have been established with a survey. It's all really shady. There's no reason why

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

On 14/12/2019 16:08, Martin Wynne wrote: I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. Thanks Dave. But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? It seems silly that in some areas of OSM we can go into ridiculous detail, such as whether a bench seat

Re: [Talk-GB] Elections Online website - candidate for OSM?

On 03/12/2019 15:48, Tom Hughes wrote: The reason they're getting that error is almost certainly that they aren't paying and they're either not passing an API key at all or they're passing one that is for a different site. Most likely the site was developed before API keys were required and ha

Re: [Talk-GB] Elections Online website - candidate for OSM?

On 03/12/2019 15:21, Edward Bainton wrote: Interesting. Do they pay Google for the map and tileserver use (even if they don't realise that's what they're paying for)? Or rather, since they've clearly not updated whatever agreement they had with Google for a while, /if/ the map were functioni

Re: [Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names

On 15/11/2019 18:38, Owen Boswarva wrote: Hi Steve, Do you mean this? https://visual.parliament.uk/msoanames Recently completed, but the House of Commons Library did request suggested names back in January when it was in draft. The problem with census areas, at any level, is that they don't

[Talk-GB] Monochrome map layers

Does anyone know of a map layer/tile set that is completely monochrome? I want to create some maps specifically for printing, but the standard Carto layer is costly to print in colour and doesn't work very well when printed in black and white as it uses a lot of subtle colour for detail. Specifica

Re: [Talk-GB] Poly Tunnels vs Greenhouses

On 08/11/2019 20:50, Philip Barnes wrote: No problem with boats and greenhouses that don't move. But these are probably seasonal and certainly shouldn't be mapped from aerial imagery alone as they may have long gone. They certainly need a recent survey. I don't think polytunnels in open fiel

Re: [Talk-GB] Parish Councils needs

On 26/10/2019 09:23, Colin Smale wrote: On 2019-10-26 09:58, Edward Bainton wrote: (copying the list in again) Thank you. My understanding is that this parish council has had *all* street assets devolved to it: see here

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 07/10/2019 14:50, David Woolley wrote: On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government organisation has the ability to grant rights to.  It excepts

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 07/10/2019 11:43, Simon Poole wrote: Am 03.10.2019 um 10:26 schrieb Mark Goodge: ONSPD solves this problem, because it includes the "large user" flag. It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 20:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 10/4/19 20:51, Mark Goodge wrote: The reality is that people expect postcodes to be a functional search term on online mapping, at least in the UK, You *are* ware that UK post codes are fully findable on the OSM website and any site that

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 01:52, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: This may not be a perfect solution but the information CPO/ONSPD contains is still extremely useful for geocoding. Search for a postcode and you are _guaranteed_ to get an address in a close vicinity to a place you are looking for. How about

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 03/10/2019 01:40, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: - Code-Point Open is a legal and open source of postcode data. In fact it is the _only_ legal source of such data in bulk. All other sources are either derived from CPO or are based on local knowledge. That's not true. The ONS Postcode Datab

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright in OS-derived maps

On 05/09/2019 10:49, David Woolley wrote: On 05/09/2019 05:48, Warin wrote: If they had derived their data from OSM .. then all would be fine. As I hinted before, the use of a red line, and a custom printout from an OS detailed map, suggests this is a map for legal purposes.  For both the

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