Re: [Talk-transit] Monorails

2009-09-03 Per discussione Bill Ricker
However DisneyLand monorail http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22942763 does have oneway = yes , but again is a closed loop single way. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-ph] unsolicited map advert

2009-09-03 Per discussione maning sambale
and more tourism:jun domingo www.adomingobrokerage.page.tl2 tourism:jun domingo www.adomingobrokerage.page.tl1 tourism:jun domingo 09228829926 www.adomingobrokerage.page.tl1 tourism:jun domingo www.adomingobrokerage.page.tl2 On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:32 PM,

Re: [talk-ph] unsolicited map advert

2009-09-03 Per discussione maning sambale
found him: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jundomingo07/edits On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:43 PM, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: and more tourism:jun domingo   www.adomingobrokerage.page.tl        2 tourism:jun domingo  www.adomingobrokerage.page.tl        1 tourism:jun

Re: [talk-ph] unsolicited map advert

2009-09-03 Per discussione George Tujan
Kaya pala familiar, this guy is the same one that added a lot of ads in google maps and google earth On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:47 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: found him: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jundomingo07/edits On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:43 PM, maning

Re: [talk-ph] unsolicited map advert

2009-09-03 Per discussione maning sambale
I sent him a message via OSM messaging. Most of his edits are around Davao Area. Maybe you guys can help him set-up a webmap for his brokerage site. Similar to the openstreetmap.com.ph service. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:39 AM, George Tujangtu...@gmail.com wrote: Kaya pala familiar, this guy 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Openstreetmap Foundation: the Belgian Chapter

2009-09-03 Per discussione ivom
Thank you first of all for the posted comments and references. I have picked up a fairly tiny existing bylaw as an example and adapted it slightly for our purpose. So it is drafting response time for those who are interested. I have not cross-checked the draft fully with the fgov documents,

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Stefan Baebler
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: 2009/9/2 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Revert should be possible from the main site everywhere changesets are listed : from the history tab on a bbox or the recent

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets on with it can be 'established' within 2 weeks. I think that was how long it took

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
maning sambale schrieb: Revert my own and only my own changeset. Okay.. and how about vandalists? Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] geolocation for mobile browsers

2009-09-03 Per discussione bernhard
hi all I think that the navigator.geolocation is available in iPhone and Android CellPhones. Are there other mobile browsers with this javascript API? Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:11 PM, MPsingular...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/09/2009, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'm against voting. Voting is a way to take responsibility away from the   individual. I think that in most cases we should strive to have   individuals responsible for

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'd like to do a Brainstorming about how a Revert-Tool could look like, that is more open to the Community, can be used without programming knowledge and is able to to reverts fast. I'm thinking of a process like this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Pieren
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave Stubbsosm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you don't know what you're doing, not at all user friendly, deliberately hard to use to

[OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Childs
Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. This is the way most of the other lists I'm on work, and its a bit annoying having to use

Re: [OSM-talk] geolocation for mobile browsers

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 bernhard b...@datenkueche.com: Are there other mobile browsers with this javascript API? BlackBerry had a javascript api long before apple ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Lester Caine
Peter Childs wrote: Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. This is the way most of the other lists I'm on work, and its a bit

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Patrick Petschge
Hi, Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. In short you missed http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This is the way

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave Stubbsosm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you don't know what

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:05, Pieren wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave Stubbsosm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you don't know what you're doing, not at

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: People will explain why the current way is 'right' and other lists are wrong, and to be honest both views ARE equally valid :( When it comes to being inclusionary I think it's a valid argument to not require people to hit reply to all, many people new

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's how things are and I highly doubt anyone new to mailing lists would have such a client. an annoying

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Miller wrote: Only 'established users' can upload images to Wikipedia and I would suggest that the revert option is only available to established OSM users. It would need to take many edits to get 'established' but it means that there are some controls on

[OSM-talk] beginner's guide all in one page

2009-09-03 Per discussione maning sambale
Hi, I'm looking for an all in one page of the beginner's guide: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_Guide Good for printing or giving out to people without net connection. Is there any hidden in the wiki? -- cheers, maning --

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Matt Williams
2009/9/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's how things are and I highly doubt anyone new to mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Patrick Petschge Kilian schrieb: Hi, Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, so that when we hit reply the message goes to the list by default. In short you missed

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Matt Williams li...@milliams.com: I know that at least KMail has this feature. If there's a list-id in the header it will offer you a 'Reply to all', 'Reply to author' and 'Reply to list' option and default to the latter. Given this, it works fine on all these OSM mailing lists. Most

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Christoph Boehme
Matt Williams wrote: 2009/9/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de: Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's how things are and I highly doubt

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: Repeating this link again and again doesn't make it any more right or wrong than any other opinion. I've read it all before. I'm on kmail, I've set reply to list , but its getting harder with the newer kmails to find the setting I frankly disagree with

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Matt Williams
2009/9/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: And you sent this to me directly, was the intentional or because the email client didn't reply to the list? No, it was because GMail defaulted to emailing just you and I forgot about it until it was too late. It's caught me out several times. I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione David Earl
On 03/09/2009 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! and Thunderbird has an add-on which adds the command [1]. which I tried and it doesn't always work. And in any case if you have to press a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Matt Williams li...@milliams.com: 2009/9/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: And you sent this to me directly, was the intentional or because the email client didn't reply to the list? No, it was because GMail defaulted to emailing just you and I forgot about it until it was too

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two months by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for lack of a suitable tool to achieve it. Are you talking about http://openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 ? Are we sure that this is really vandalism? For now I won't

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and Thunderbird has an add-on which adds the command [1]. Thunderbird 3 has it built in. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Mike N.
We have to deal witht he reality of the situation, no commonly used mail client handles list headers properly, so it's pointless to argue this is a good reason to keep the status quo, in fact it's a good reason to set the reply to to the list since most mail clients don't handle it properly,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 12:28, John Smith wrote: I hope the reply to changes, if for nothing else than to be inclusionary of new people so they don't have to learn to cope with the self righteousness of others. Can we get the reply to on this and the talk-au list and the dev list changed please. Look

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: Yes I could change it, but then in six months we'll have a flood of complaints from the other side of the argument so I really don't see the point. Just learn to live with both setups. I did long ago. You can't exactly take the high road here, reply to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Childs
I was only trying to sort out what I find to be an annoyance and a possible cause of why we get a lot of emails on this list without answers. I did not mean to start a holy war. Personally I think Email needs a complete and utter re-design from the ground up. Its not fit for the purpose it is now

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Mike N. nice...@att.net:   Some web forums allow email-based communications for those who need that. And for those modern kids, it allows RSS feeds, quickly adding new forum subject categories as needed, and rapid searching and archived thread following rather than relying on Google.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 12:49, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/3 Tom Hughest...@compton.nu: Yes I could change it, but then in six months we'll have a flood of complaints from the other side of the argument so I really don't see the point. Just learn to live with both setups. I did long ago. You can't exactly

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two months by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for lack of a suitable tool to achieve it. Are you talking about

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 12:40, Mike N. wrote: The current communications methods are very awkward, particularly when participating in more than one subject. The amount of time to create a new password and sign up is absurd compared to a more typical single sign-on web forum based setup. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database and not the real thing :-) Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work with tha API and without a

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 03/09/09 13:32, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/3 Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de: You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database and not the real thing :-) Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a newbie who gets on with it

[OSM-talk] How to read this list on the web (was: OSM Mailing List Reply To Header)

2009-09-03 Per discussione Ed Avis
If you prefer web interfaces, you can participate in this list via http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap. That is what I am doing now. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Liz
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Tom Hughes wrote: Look people. This is, and has been for the 16 years that I have been reading email, a holy war issue (just like vi vs emacs etc) and whatever you do the other side will just complain. Frankly I long ago gave up caring - it's impossible to please everybody

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database and not the real thing :-) Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work with tha API and without a local DB, so I'd need a test-api. Do we have

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
Richard Weait schrieb: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be sufficient I would have thought. That would mean that a

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:34, Peter Körner wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Peter Körnerosm- li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Making 10 changesets of more than 10 features each over a period of at least 2 weeks without attracting reverts or complaints should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:04, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Millerpeter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I agree that there should be a 'easy revert' for a single changeset. This might result in a 'clean' revert (where none of the features have been touched since),

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I'm talking about building an external tool without any integration into osm.org, as this is what i'm capable of. This tool can be visited by any user and any user may do OAuth-Sign-In with this tool. The tool can't tell if the user is allowed to

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione maning sambale
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Körner wrote: maning sambale schrieb: Revert my own and only my own changeset. Okay.. and how about vandalists? Peter i though maning meant this was a separate option Yes, let's do this first and then

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione MP
Also most people don't want the reply sent too them twice as if they are posting they are on the list, and hence should receive the answer twice. How do you know? Did you ask them? I _want_ to get direct copies. In case people don't want to read mails twice they can tell the list

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote:  Ok, so I have just had an RSS alert that Liam123 is back editing again today after a delay of 3 weeks. Probably because kids are back at school now. Look at his first changeset ever - it's next to his school. Of course, it would be an interesting experiment to e-mail the

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
maning sambale schrieb: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Körner wrote: maning sambale schrieb: Revert my own and only my own changeset. Okay.. and how about vandalists? Peter i though maning meant this was a separate option Yes, let's

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/4 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: First would be to build a tool that is able to revert changesets. Who is able to revert which changeset comes after that. Maybe not just who, but where they can revert a change set as well. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/4 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Will you be able to revert a reverted changeset? A reversion is just a new changeset, so basicaly: yes, i think. We could artificialy prevent a circle like this:  - A reverts Bs changeset 1 - results in changeset 2  - B reverts As changeset 2 -

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: 2009/9/3 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I'm talking about building an external tool without any integration into osm.org, as this is what i'm capable of. This tool can be visited by any user and any user may do OAuth-Sign-In with this tool. The tool can't tell if

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Körner
I wasn't thinking of that case so much as someone being a little over zealous and reverting a changeset by accident and needing to revert their change. This will of course be possible Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/4 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: At the end of the day it's just another editor, you'll need an OSM account to edit with it. Save the rest till it matters. I usually find it immensely useful to talk out loud about what I'm coding and it usually solves some problem I was stuck on

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Miller wrote: Only 'established users' can upload images to Wikipedia and I would suggest that the revert option is only available to established OSM users. It would need to take many edits to get

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: I usually find it immensely useful to talk out loud about what I'm coding and it usually solves some problem I was stuck on just by talking someone else through it. That's lovely, but it would be less selfish if you could refrain from filling up the rest of our mailboxes'

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/4 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: That's lovely, but it would be less selfish if you could refrain from filling up the rest of our mailboxes' with it, given that you've been responsible for over 10% of postings to talk@ since August 1st. I'm glad you care so much you took the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:36:14AM +0200, Patrick Petschge Kilian wrote: Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header Hi, Am I missing something, But it would help if the Reply-to header on all messages that go through the list(s) gets set to the list email, so that when we

[OSM-talk] Inconsistency in way history?

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Miller
This page indicates that the last way says the last editor was Liam123 on 2 June 2009 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23180071 However, if one clicks the 'edit' button it goes to Potlatch and if one then clicks 'h' for history then it says the last editor is Mr Mark on 23 July

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione SteveC
On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Peter Miller wrote:  Ok, so I have just had an RSS alert that Liam123 is back editing again today after a delay of 3 weeks. Probably because kids are back at school now. Look at his first changeset ever - it's next to his school. Of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Jack Stringer
I guess it not a problem with the mailman mailing list manager. It should have a option to set whether you want that header or not. This would save many of the arguments. I prefer the reply to mailing list. I keep replying to the last person in threads. Often I don't notice until the next day.

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 21:18, SteveC wrote: On 3 Sep 2009, at 07:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Peter Miller wrote:  Ok, so I have just had an RSS alert that Liam123 is back editing again today after a delay of 3 weeks. Probably because kids are back at school now. Look at his first changeset

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-03 Per discussione Someoneelse
Frederik Ramm wrote: ... But I really need people familiar with the region who tell me that they are reasonably sure that the edits are bogus. If it helps, I've just looked at a selection of 20 of the 60 ways edited in changeset 2308178 by RR8. This covers north Nottinghamshire in

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-03 Per discussione Peter Miller
On 3 Sep 2009, at 22:17, Someoneelse wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: ... But I really need people familiar with the region who tell me that they are reasonably sure that the edits are bogus. If it helps, I've just looked at a selection of 20 of the 60 ways edited in changeset 2308178 by

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-03 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/3 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: 2) We need to ensure that every contributor is on-balance making the dataset better, not worse. If the contribution is in doubt we owe it to other contributors to investigate and respond. This is a situation where the contributions are in doubt,

[OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Weait
At the risk of trifling with things that I do not fully understand[1], I've been using revert.pl to revert a changeset of my own. I blew it and imported a file with bad things[2] and want to undo the mess. I have revert.pl fresh from svn today, and it runs, but eventually stops with node

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/4 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: At the risk of trifling with things that I do not fully understand[1], I've been using revert.pl to revert a changeset of my own.  I blew it and imported a file with bad things[2] and want to undo the mess. I have revert.pl fresh from svn today, and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:08:51PM -0500, Joseph Booker wrote: Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! Probably very few, since it is called Claws Mail now :) No, you get double the chance of having heard of it! This

Re: [OSM-talk] How to read this list on the web (was: OSM Mailing List Reply To Header)

2009-09-03 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:48:32PM +, Ed Avis wrote: If you prefer web interfaces, you can participate in this list via http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap. That is what I am doing now. I’ll add Nabble[1] into the pot. [1]: http://www.nabble.com/OpenStreetMap-f1218.html

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/split.py and upload in reverse

[OSM-talk] Yathusan vandalism

2009-09-03 Per discussione Andrew MacKinnon
Found some more: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2365004 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364986 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364907 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364884 Not 100% sure they are vandalism since they are in B.C., but I

Re: [OSM-talk] Yathusan vandalism

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Andrew MacKinnonandrew...@gmail.com wrote: Found some more: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2365004 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364986 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2364907

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Weaitrich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements and the server seems unstable, so you can split the changeset using

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-09-03 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/4 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Weaitrich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 PM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: It'll probably fail with error 500 because there are so many elements and the server seems unstable, so you

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-09-03 Per discussione Evan Sebire
Looks like we still have a quite a few to map, http://wikitravel.org/en/Big_things_in_Australia A rough count gave 134! This list maybe incomplete, I seem to remember a big potato in Victoria. On Thursday 03 Sep 2009 06:58:40 John Smith wrote: I should have also included ID numbers:

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org: Looks like we still have a quite a few to map, http://wikitravel.org/en/Big_things_in_Australia A rough count gave 134! This list maybe incomplete, I seem to remember a big potato in Victoria. This is why I gave ID numbers, you could then link from a list

Re: [talk-au] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I'd think that when we hit by vandalism in AU we would be talking on the local list and making a decision on reverting changes. I would think that a higher status mapper would be actually permitted to make the changes rather than anyone. I've actually been

Re: [talk-au] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/3 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I'd think that when we hit by vandalism in AU we would be talking on the local list and making a decision on reverting changes. I would think that a higher status mapper would be actually permitted to make the changes

Re: [talk-au] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: makes sense to sort out a policy now currently if i see something which may be a problem i identify the mapper, message them through OSM and hopefully have a discussion i try to be open in this communication, not starting with accusations etc because

[talk-au] City Council mapping data import

2009-09-03 Per discussione Mike Smith
I have a couple of city councils who have offered to provide data for import into OSM. Can somebody put their hand up for a phone call to bring me up to speed on what the best approach is? Regards, mikesm...@dominoconsultant.org For information about me please see my LinkedIn profile at

Re: [talk-au] City Council mapping data import

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Mike Smith mikesm...@dominoconsultant.org: I have a couple of city councils who have offered to provide data for import into OSM.  Can somebody put their hand up for a phone call to bring me up to speed on what the best approach is? What do you need to know exactly?

Re: [talk-au] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: That's the general case of mistakes, not intentional vandalism, and it's vandalism that started this thread on the talk list. Assume they don't reply, what then? how long is don't reply is the next question

Re: [talk-au] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: I'm not disagreeing, I'm just trying to flesh out a policy on what to do :) i reckon that the two noisiest persons on this list should give others a chance next :-) -- BOFH excuse #142: new guy cross-connected phone lines with ac power bus.

Re: [talk-au] Draft association rules + LC page

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: * Which Model Rules are these based on? It may have changed, but a while ago there were subtle differences in Model Rules between states. Since the Wikimedia Australian Chapter is based in Vic I assume they are Victorian Model Rules. * 21.3b says

[talk-au] Meekatharra, WA

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
Well since I last spoke to the teacher in WA she's been busy with her kids and potlatch... http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=17lat=-26.593608013851lon=118.49711522154 I forget how old the kids are, but they're primary school age, and the teacher isn't exactly a techy so I think they've done pretty

[talk-au] City Council mapping data import

2009-09-03 Per discussione Mike Smith
Hi John (et. al.), So the offer has been made by a couple of geographic specialists in a couple of city councils for them to provide an initial data load from their GIS for use by OSM. The question is what do we want (in general); what format should it be in; how is an import facilitated (who

Re: [talk-au] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Per discussione Jeff Price
I liked the rules Paul Miller proposed on the talk list. I don't understand what it would take to implement a revert option, but expect it would be messy, especially if you needed to revert a revert. I guess it gets worse when you need to roll back older changes with other people since

Re: [talk-au] City Council mapping data import

2009-09-03 Per discussione Ashley Kyd
It might be worth looking at how the TIGER data was merged in the 'states... And not doing it that way. I'd personally prefer if if this kind of data wasn't even to be merged straight away. If it were made available in a format JOSM can overlay, actual humans could then go over it in the same way

Re: [talk-au] Missing post code boundaries?

2009-09-03 Per discussione geharper
2661 is Kapooka a military PO, and probably not an area 2661 is an area (Kapooka army base). Boundary for the post code area is the same as the locality or whatever you want to call it of Kapooka. It is different from the Census postcode boundary however. 2769 is somewhere coastal again

Re: [talk-au] City Council mapping data import

2009-09-03 Per discussione John Smith
2009/9/4 Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au: It might be worth looking at how the TIGER data was merged in the 'states... And not doing it that way. It wasn't merged, it was just imported and the TIGER data is largely nice approximations, but not very accurate. There will be a new TIGER data set in

Re: [talk-au] City Council mapping data import

2009-09-03 Per discussione Jeff Price
Completely agree. I was thinking along similar lines given that I want the new data to be useful, instead of making a royal mess of what we've already got. I would be extra sweet to be able to do a a comparison between the OSM layer and data layer so that we can highlight new/different stuff

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] (Out of) copyright maps in Ireland

2009-09-03 Per discussione Patrick Casey
The 1830-40 OS maps of Ireland are out of copyright in the sense that you can go into the National Archives and pick an 1842 map out of a drawer and copy it without infringing copyright. However, what the OSI offer on their website is another thing because they are not selling you the original

[Talk-br] Limites de Municípios

2009-09-03 Per discussione Rodrigo de Avila
Bom dia, Alguém aí tem os dados dos limites de municípios do Rio Grande do Sul, para importar? Tem três municípios no Rio Grande do Sul, que estou mapeando as estradas do interior, e preciso saber os limites destes municípios. Se alguém tiver esta informação, por favor me avise. Os municípios

Re: [Talk-br] Limites de Municípios

2009-09-03 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Tem no FTP do IBGE. Foi assim que importei os limites de municípios do Rio de Janeiro e do Acre. [] 2009/9/3 Rodrigo de Avila rodr...@avila.eti.br Bom dia, Alguém aí tem os dados dos limites de municípios do Rio Grande do Sul, para importar? Tem três municípios no Rio Grande do Sul, que

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