Re: [Talk-hr] Razmjena podataka?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Viktor Bresan
Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@... writes: Nama osobno sigurno ne bi, pitanje je da li bi smetalo zakonu o autorskom pravu i srodnim pravima (NN 167/2003). ... Hvala obojici na odgovorima. Sudeći po svemu navedenome, podaci iz moje baze baš se i ne kvalificiraju za OSM. Čak i da

Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe

2009-10-20 Per discussione maning sambale
Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from

[OSM-talk] using indic fonts with josm

2009-10-20 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
Hi, I have indic fonts installed in my machine, but when I try to type them in josm, I just get little boxen - how does one install indic (or any font) font support in josm? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
Hello, based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German board I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft In addition to this proposal I would like to discuss the tag resource. In my proposal

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Peter Childs
2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net Hello, based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German board I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft In addition to this proposal I would like to

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Peter Childs wrote: I agree standardizing on resource might be a good idea but we might need resource_output and resource_input or somthing Are you an economist? from my worldview which deals with people and biological systems i don't see an importance in designating where

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
there are mineshafts and BIG mineshafts and open cut mines and mining in english has its own language to describe the parts of the mine For open cut mines there is another draft. IMO they are something completly different. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Someoneelse
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution

2009-10-20 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: The main issue of debate surrounds exactly what forms of attribution are/are not valid. And this is not made easier by the fact that what is valid and what not is not the community's decision but (within the confines of the license text) that of the individual

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? In the area I map the mineshafts are currently not mapped at all. Also

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
and no references to surface_mining There is also landuse=quarry which can be used for surface mines. But actually they are not part of my proposal - it refers only to underground mining. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/20 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net: It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and no references to surface_mining.  Do you know what people are using currently? In the area I map the mineshafts

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution

2009-10-20 Per discussione Sam Larsen
- Original Message From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 October, 2009 13:13:31 Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: The main issue of debate

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't get anywhere near it. You're missing the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Shaun McDonald
On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to add an extra level of indirection, so that

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't get anywhere near it. I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to add an extra level of indirection, so that

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Lesi l...@lesi.is-a-geek.net: I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your argument half of the features of OSM should not be mapped e.g. historic=wreck or streets within the ground of a factory. And once again: mineshafts which have a headframe are very good points

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Shaun McDonald
On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:44, Lesi wrote: On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to

[OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione maning sambale
Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for post-disaster efforts (Typhoon Kestana and Parma) in some areas in the

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one rastersymbolizer * Run generate_tiles.py to make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-20 Per discussione Matt Amos
On 10/16/09, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Erik Johansson wrote: Open Database License (ODbL) “Attribution and Share-Alike for Data/Databases” Yep. Exactly. CC-BY-SA, famously, allows you to combine

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Jason Cunningham
I worried that the use of language might prove to be confusing and the the buildings associated with a mine should have a separate tag. 1. Mineshaft may exist but we are going to be mapping the location mine entrances, not the tunnel leading away from the mine entrance. In the future someone may

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione Dane Springmeyer
On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Dane Springmeyer bl...@hailmail.net wrote: Nice Andy. If I can help let me know as well. In Mapnik trunk I've been working on adding support for GDAL overviews, so using gdaladdo on that large Geotiff and then reading it with the 'gdal' datasource could be

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
1. Mineshaft may exist but we are going to be mapping the location mine entrances, not the tunnel leading away from the mineentrance. In the future someone may want to map the 'way' that the mineshaft follows especially if its a horizontal tunnel going into a hillside 2. What we want to

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
I think you are mixing up audits and mineshafts. Mineshafts always go verticaly or almost-verticaly into the ground. You are talking about adits, that is something completly different and should be dealed with in another proposal. See Wikipedia for definitions of these terms. Of course I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Instead you should use something like old_amenity=cafe, or amenity=closed;closed=cafe, that way there won't be any confusion. I agree with you, but at the moment

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: The area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. Too broad a definition industrial covers too much mining is quite different a landuse heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then have to rehabilitate the area in the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: Having winding gears is the main purpose of a headframe IMO. but when the mine shaft is disused the winding gear is removed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Someoneelse wrote: no references to surface_mining. Do you know what people are using currently? I've used quarry for an open cut mine, but it isn't appropriate for the size of feature involved. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. But a disused mineshaft is still a mineshaft, it's just an abandoned one. As another

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: Of course I meant adit and not audit. Some people would call it a gallery. In Australia I've heard level gallery stopes and probably some other words i've forgotten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Jason Cunningham wrote: 4. The term Headframe is used to describe a Pit Head, which is confusing. More problems with language use. Pit Head appears to be the correct term for the building or structure. I don't claim to be an expert on mining language but pit head is the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
but when the mine shaft is disused the winding gear is removed I can not confirm this. All disused mineshafts I know still have their winding gear, only the cables are removed. But even if the winding gear is removed you can tag with headframe=yes. Of courde, if the whole headframe is

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore - disused=yes. lesi I wasn't thinking of disused, i was thinking of still there, with or without a mineshaft Perhaps, my English is too bad, but I do not really

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lesi
Underground resources can not be mapped. why not? isn't that what a geology map does? I was commenting on the resource proposal really Now I get your point. The resource-tag describes for which resource the mineshaft was built. If the mineshaft is disused, it is irrelevant if the deposits

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com writes: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for post-disaster

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote:  The area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. Too broad  a definition industrial covers too much mining is quite different a landuse heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione maning sambale
Ah that easy?! Look so simple versus a WMS configuration. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Per discussione maning sambale
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com writes: Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host?  This is for

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Dave F.
Someoneelse wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one man-made=mineshaft and

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Dave F.
Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag. Cheers Dave F.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Dave F.
Lesi wrote: I was already planning to start a proposal for heaps. At the moment I use natural=peak. Not sure what to use at the moment, but they're definitely not natural. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Dave F.: Shaun McDonald wrote: If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Because tags like disused=yes conflict with a general principle in OSM: We don't have a fixed set of tags and mappers can invent and use their own tags, so it should be possible for software to ignore tags it doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Anthony schrieb: Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no problem. Disused quarry, yes. But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the definition. Well, yes and no. People might remember that

[OSM-talk] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Per discussione SteveC
Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for talk-us to grow to a sizable level and then begin spinning off as required, like we did with the other lists. Yours c. Steve

[OSM-talk] Vanuatu

2009-10-20 Per discussione Andrew Errington
Hi all, I received some GPS traces from someone in Vanuatu. He had had them for some time, but didn't have the opportunity to slice them up and upload them. I took the data and used gpsbabel to split the entire GPS log into daily chunks which coincided with manageable trip segments. I checked

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Peter Childs
2009/10/21 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com Anthony schrieb: Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no problem. Disused quarry, yes. But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Per discussione Apollinaris Schoell
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] SOTM 2010 Bid for Ottawa?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Thanks Yves, yup, i DEFINATLY support the idea of Barcelona for the 2010 SOTM, (i saw on the talk-au list that maybe 2011 would be great for Austrailia, and maybe 2012 for Canada. (we should be all imported by then) :) and yes, if you can help on the sotm planning side, i think is Henk who is a

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark

2009-10-20 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:07:48 +0200, YRS jav...@hccnet.nl wrote: Heeft iemand al ervaring met bungalow- cq vakantieparken? Ik dacht aan tourism=chalet om te beginnen met een node, maar wat doe ik met de wegen? Meestal is eer een soort rondweg (mag ik die tertiary taggen? Nog access tags?)

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark

2009-10-20 Per discussione Theun
tourism=chalet word in Nederland al op meerdere plekken gebruikt voor een bungalowpark (heb ik zelf ook al gedaan voor landal suyderooghhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.38731lon=6.21564zoom=16layers=B000FTF ). Volgens de definitie (

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark

2009-10-20 Per discussione Myckel Habets
Zijn die wegen niet meestal ook eigen weg (i.p.v. openbare weg) met restrictie dat je alleen daar mag komen als je daar ook een huisje hebt (meestal ook afgezet met slagbomen). Enkele parken kunnen zelfs restrictie hebben dat je alleen van de wegen gebruik mag maken op de dagen dat mensen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bungalowpark

2009-10-20 Per discussione Lennard
Myckel Habets wrote: Zijn die wegen niet meestal ook eigen weg (i.p.v. openbare weg) met Verwar 'openbaar' niet met 'publiek'. Ook een privaatweg/eigen weg kan wel degelijk een openbaar karakter hebben, en heeft dat (verkeers)wettelijk gezien veel en veel vaker dan we denken (in NL). --

[OSM-talk-nl] Cijfertjes?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Milo van der Linden
Hallo allemaal! Zouden de talk-nl managers Martijn van Exel en/of Henk Hoff aan kunnen geven hoeveel ingeschrevenen talk-nl heeft? Ter vergelijking; bij OSGeo is dat openbaar: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/VisibilityStats#Mailing_list_subscribers Ik wil namelijk weten hoeveel potentiële impact

[OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles aanbieden

2009-10-20 Per discussione Roeland Douma
Howdy! Ik zat te denken dat er misschien wel (nederlandse) bedrijven/instanties zijn die wel iets met OSM data willen doen maar geen zin hebben om allerlei rare software te moeten configureren om aan die data te komen. Nu zat ik te denken om van (potentieel) interessante data shapefiles ter

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Cijfertjes?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Henk Hoff
Momenteel zijn er 218 abonnees op de NL-mailinglist (deze dus) Gr, Henk Op 20 oktober 2009 16:54 heeft Milo van der Linden m...@opengeo.nl het volgende geschreven: Hallo allemaal! Zouden de talk-nl managers Martijn van Exel en/of Henk Hoff aan kunnen geven hoeveel ingeschrevenen talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles aanbieden

2009-10-20 Per discussione Floris Looijesteijn
zeker handig, ik neem aan dat het vast wel gebruikt gaat worden. provinciegrenzen (al dan niet met provinciehoofdsteden) zou ook leuk zijn. er was op de osm gebruikers dag iemand die dit zeker kan gebruiken maar ik moet even nadenken hoe hij ook al weer heette, kom ik op terug :) groet, floris

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Cijfertjes?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Milo van der Linden
Goed zo! Dank je wel Henk voor de snelle response! Met vriendelijke groet, Milo van der Linden Henk Hoff schreef: Momenteel zijn er 218 abonnees op de NL-mailinglist (deze dus) Gr, Henk Op 20 oktober 2009 16:54 heeft Milo van der Linden m...@opengeo.nl het volgende geschreven:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles aanbieden

2009-10-20 Per discussione Ben Companjen
2009/10/20 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Howdy! Ik zat te denken dat er misschien wel (nederlandse) bedrijven/instanties zijn die wel iets met OSM data willen doen maar geen zin hebben om allerlei rare software te moeten configureren om aan die data te komen. [knip] Ik heb laatst een

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione swanilli
I have tired to find some official definitions to clarify this. Here is the Australian Standard definition of a road from AS 1348—2002 Road and traffic engineering—Glossary of terms: road: Route trafficable by motor vehicles; in law, the public right-of-way between boundaries of adjoining

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: i don't grade tracks (personal belief only, if someone else wishes to spend time doing grading that's fine, but the condition of the surface varies according to when the council last graded, rain etc) Actually I'd say tracks don't get graded, unclassified

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 swanilli swani...@gmail.com: Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. Some roads go through private properties, but they aren't tracks, you usually cross

[talk-au] State of the Map 2010

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
I've been toying with the idea of putting a bid in for SoTM 2010, would anyone else be interested in helping put together the bid? There is a wiki page up on bids for next year + links to past bids etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Bid

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione swanilli
True, but it is probably just a technicality, in that it is the same property owner on both sides of the road, with a strip of public land (the road) down the middle. You just can't tell because there are no fences. (Actually, this is where Google maps can be useful in Australia because they do

Re: [talk-au] State of the Map 2010

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: I've been toying with the idea of putting a bid in for SoTM 2010, would anyone else be interested in helping put together the bid? There is a wiki page up on bids for next year + links to past bids etc.

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 swanilli swani...@gmail.com: True, but it is probably just a technicality, in that it is the same property owner on both sides of the road, with a strip of public land (the road) down the middle. You just can't tell because there are no fences. (Actually, this is where Google maps

Re: [talk-au] State of the Map 2010

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Liz ed...@billiau.net: I reckon 2011 is a better bet I tend to agree we still have a few more ducks to get in order etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Mark Pulley
Quoting swanilli swani...@gmail.com: Here is a pragmatic solution based on AS 1348 and OSM custom: highway=road if it is open to the public and located between property boundaries, regardless of surface. Here are some ways that are between property boundaries, but definitely not roads

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au: I think Liz's suggestion (avoiding obstacles = track, etc) makes sense, so I'll go with this, bearing in mind temporary obstacles like potholes that may be graded later. You get potholes on sealed roads, so that isn't saying much :) Corrigates on

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Sam Couter
swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote: I have tired to find some official definitions to clarify this. Here is the Australian Standard definition of a road from AS 1348?2002 Road and traffic engineering?Glossary of terms: road: Route trafficable by motor vehicles; in law, the public

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: highway=road means A road of unknown classification. This is intended as a temporary tag to mark a road until it has been properly surveyed. I think he meant highway=unclassified How is the proximity of a property boundary relevant to the tagging of

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/20 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'd say tracks don't get graded, unclassified roads do. IMHO the only maintainence a tracks get is when a tree falls across the track and needs to be cut up by RFS or NPWS. Many fire trails in

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Sam Couter
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I think he meant highway=unclassified Probably, but that's not going to be right all the time either. Not proximity of a boundary, is it within a boundary or not. I still don't think that matters for tagging the road, only for tagging land use. --

Re: [talk-au] ?WinCE program

2009-10-20 Per discussione Sam Couter
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: does anyone know if gosmore or navit or other program can be persuaded to work on one of these machines? I don't know that much about WinCE, but I think software isn't portable between platforms even on the same chip architecture (eg, ARM). You'd need an SDK or

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: Most people aren't taught to drive or grow up on dirt roads, I only have a 2wd car and I'll drive it on roads some/most people wouldn't, so that's a bit too subjective... and we have enough trouble with furriners trying to drive commodores on unsuitable

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Ian Wills
I am often mildly amused, though sometimes dismayed, by the way threads on this list head off at strange tangents. This is another and the kind of reaction one gets makes me wonder whether it is worth the effort to contribute. Just to make things clear: I noted in my original contribution that

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione swanilli
I am not sure how this clarifies or confuses the tagging of roads in OSM compared with the Australian Standard definition. Both seem to be saying the same thing in different words. However, to move things along it would be worth looking into http://www.ozroads.com.au, an unofficial website that

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/21 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: Most people aren't taught to drive or grow up on dirt roads, I only have a 2wd car and I'll drive it on roads some/most people wouldn't, so that's a bit too subjective... and we have enough trouble with furriners trying

Re: [talk-au] When does a road become a track?

2009-10-20 Per discussione John Smith
2009/10/21 Ian Wills swani...@gmail.com: I am often mildly amused, though sometimes dismayed, by the way threads on this list head off at strange tangents. This is another and the kind of reaction one gets makes me wonder whether it is worth the effort to contribute. No one was disagreeing

Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de SC

2009-10-20 Per discussione Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Creio que a população da cidade faça diferença sim. Antes Natal era ofuscada por uma cidade vizinha (Parnamirim). Depois de eu colocar as populações dessas duas cidades, Natal aparece bem antes no Mapnik. Ainda há várias capitais e cidades populosas com esse problema (Recife, Rio de Janeiro, São

Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de SC

2009-10-20 Per discussione Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Correção: algumas dessas cidades (como o Rio) têm a informação de população. Os renderizadores que tão com algum problema, nesse caso. 2009/10/20 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com Creio que a população da cidade faça diferença sim. Antes Natal era ofuscada por uma cidade

Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios d e SC

2009-10-20 Per discussione Junior, Claudomiro
Olá, Pra minimizar o problema de dados duplicados, nem todas as cidades (nodes, pontos) foram importados dos dados do IBGE. Se já havia uma outra cidade próxima (menos de 5km aprox) o ponto do IBGE não era importado. Talvez valessa a pena dar uma verificada manual nesses dados não importados

Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de S C

2009-10-20 Per discussione André Marcelo Alvarenga
Em Ter 20 Out 2009, Rodrigo de Avila escreveu: Deu pra ver neste exemplo que o 'Blumenau Maior' é um ponto que foi colocado pelo usuário 'alvarenga' (você?), e o 'Blumenau Menor' é desenhado pelo Mapnik em um ponto quase central ao pol'igono do município (você pode enxergar o polígono todo

Re: [Talk-br] Importação IBGE - Municípios de S C

2009-10-20 Per discussione André Marcelo Alvarenga
Em Ter 20 Out 2009, Junior, Claudomiro escreveu: Olá, Pra minimizar o problema de dados duplicados, nem todas as cidades (nodes, pontos) foram importados dos dados do IBGE. Se já havia uma outra cidade próxima (menos de 5km aprox) o ponto do IBGE não era importado. Talvez valessa a pena

Re: [Talk-br] Apresentação e dúvidas

2009-10-20 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Bem vindo Giovani! Ótimo ver que a palestra rendeu frutos =) O N78 tá saindo a um custo-benefício bacana. Quanto ao GPS do DealExtreme, eu tenho um desses http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21684 e funciona bem tanto com o N95 quanto com o N800 - nunca testei com o notebook. A

[Talk-de] Render-Problem Inseln/Mapnik

2009-10-20 Per discussione malenki
StilgarBF (o...@projekt2k.de)schrieb: Hallo, ist denn bekannt ob es ein Problem mit den Planet-Files gibt, die der Mapnik-Renderer verwendet? Ich habe am 2. einige Inseln im südlichen Myanmar angelegt, die werden aber immer noch nicht gerendert. Ebenso viele Verfeinerungen an der bestehenden

Re: [Talk-de] Render-Problem Inseln/Mapnik

2009-10-20 Per discussione StilgarBF
malenki schrieb: StilgarBF (o...@projekt2k.de)schrieb: Hallo, ist denn bekannt ob es ein Problem mit den Planet-Files gibt, die der Mapnik-Renderer verwendet? Ich habe am 2. einige Inseln im südlichen Myanmar angelegt, die werden aber immer noch nicht gerendert. Ebenso viele

Re: [Talk-de] Pfoten weg von unseren Daten

2009-10-20 Per discussione Rainer Knaepper
Moin Ulf, P.S: Jetzt wo ich das hingeschrieben habe fällt mir auf, daß ich wohl ziemlich genau den Wikipedia Mechanismus: Dieser Account ist keine Sockenpuppe nochmal neu erfunden habe :-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pers%C3%B6nliche_Bekanntschaften Rainer --

Re: [Talk-de] Gratulation!

2009-10-20 Per discussione Martin Simon
Am 19. Oktober 2009 22:33 schrieb qbert biker qbe...@gmx.de: Autobahn und Bundesstrasse funktionieren damit ganz gut, aber beim Rest muss man sich eben damit abfinden, dass es Konflikte geben kann und die ganz einfache Regel zu keinen guten Ergebnis führt. Klar kann ich alle Strassen in eine

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Mentoren hier?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Nop
Hi! Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 19. Oktober 2009 21:48 schrieb Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Spätestens bei bz2 hast du dann auf chat/mail/forum dumme Kommentare in der Art dusseliger Windowsbenutzer, da kann ja nicht mal bz2. 1. http://www.google.de/#q=bz2 2.

Re: [Talk-de] Garmin Installer (war: OSM Mentoren hier?)

2009-10-20 Per discussione Nop
Hi! Ulf Lamping schrieb: Nop schrieb: So könnte ich mir einen Installer vorstellen: Ok, wenn's um fertige Karten geht, paßt natürlich ein Installer besser. Aber so ein Ding wie Du es beschreibst, sollte man z.B. mit NSIS und sendmap in ein paar Tagen fertig haben, mit Ausnahme des Backups,

Re: [Talk-de] All in One heute kein update?

2009-10-20 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: es scheint heute kein update der All in One gegeben zu haben - ist das richtig? 4GB RAM reichen der virtuellen Maschine nicht mehr aus. Wir ziehen das ganze gerade auf einen der neuen FOSSGIS Server um. Gruss Sven -- Das Internet wird vor allem von

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