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on Tuesday, September 26, 2000 14:21:52, our bat friend A . Curtis Martin typed:
JD Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives. Also no one even seems
JD to read the welcome message or help file anymore. Frequently there are
JD posts that
Hello Gary Mort,
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:03:46 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, September 25, 2000, 20:03:46 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time,
Gary Mort wrote:
A I suppose that writing a good manual, explaining the use of
A most advanced features of the program, written by experts,
Hello Jamie and TBUDL,
Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 04:20:26, Jamie wrote:
snipped
JD Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives.
Suggesting that peope use TBUDL archives for help is nothing more then
a bandaid; you can't seriously expect people to wade through hundreds
of messages on case
Hello Jan,
Monday, September 25, 2000, 5:09:53 PM, you wrote:
JR Another thing to consider is that a manual can be divided
JR into sections -- a casual user section, followed by an
JR advanced user section. Maybe the casual reader wouldn't
JR bother reading
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:20:26 +0100, Jamie Dainton wrote:
JD Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives. Also no one even seems
JD to read the welcome message or help file anymore. Frequently there are
JD posts that could easily be answered if
On Monday, September 25, 2000, 2:23:16 PM, Arjan wrote:
I'm sorry, Ming-Li. That "initiative" of mine was meant to be a
joke.
Marck pointed that out already. I got caught pants down this time,
didn't I. flushing
Honestly I only vaguely remember your post, and that Marck poked
some fun on it.
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100
Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TB Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
TB client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the Bat/Becky
TB comparison be moved onto
This message: 25/09/2000 08:53 GMT.
Hello A,
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24 September 2000 at 17:58:45 GMT -0500
ACM In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are not
ACM using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you should be
ACM
This message: 25/09/2000 09:25 GMT.
Hello Andrzej,
A reminder of what Andrzej ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
25 September 2000 at 01:18:22 GMT +0200
A Dear Mr. Boom!
You can call me Tony, everyone else does. I have no intention of this
becoming a personal issue. Like yourself stating
This message: 25/09/2000 09:48 GMT.
Hello Graham,
A reminder of what Graham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
25 September 2000 at 07:31:15 GMT +0100
G I only pointed out that Becky was a program to which
G TB developers could cast a glance to see how TB interface could be
G changed.
Why
Hi Tony,
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:52:06 +0100GMT (25/09/2000, 16:52 +0800GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:
Allow me.
TB Why should it be changed? I personally use this program because of the
TB way it *is*, not because of the way I want it to be.
The way it is, is probably better the rest of the
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on Monday, September 25, 2000 00:25:25, our bat friend Karin Spaink typed:
If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you
subscribed to a mailing list
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:25:37 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:
ACM :-) I hear your cry Tony but let's leave it a bit shall we?
TB Well OK. but keep your eye on it won't you . You yourself know how
TB much I like to try other email software but I never raise
On Monday, September 25, 2000, 2:29:41 AM, Tony wrote:
Like yourself stating your reasons for using Becky, I was just
stating my reasons why I think they have no place on a Bat Users
List.
And I'm not convinced. IMHO, information about competing products
should be welcome, especially
ACM In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are not
ACM using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you should be
ACM using TB! to be subscribed and I don't think there ever will or should
ACM be such a rule
While I agree in part with the above, my opinion is
On Monday, September 25, 2000, 1:06:42 AM, Oleg wrote:
3. The ability to zoom preview window to full window.
Enter on the message?
In TB, this would open a new window (the folder view window, or how
is it called?). It's similar (if you turn off the message list pane
in that window, but I
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Hi Marco,
On 25 September 2000 at 08:18:41 GMT -0400 (which was 13:18 where I
live) Marco Qualizza wrote and made these points on the subject
of "censoring?! (was Re[2]: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!))":
MQ Like I said, I'm
MQ Like I said, I'm not trying to pick on you Tony -- I enjoy reading your
MQ posts... I'm just jumping on the call for censorship and the Pure
MQ State.
S'okay - we're not letting it take hold. Topic censored! g
Ack! Oh no, more censoring! I'm being oppressed! (*grin* and some
who know me
Thank you for writing the following lines:
moderator Ok, enough already. This is indeed degenerating into
bickering. Please, if you (whoever is involved or feel like getting
involved) must continue these arguments, do it off-list or on TBOT,
please. Thanks. /moderator
Agreed! I've no
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Hi Ming-Li,
On 25 September 2000 at 05:02:55 GMT -0700 (which was 13:02 where I
live) Ming-Li wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":
There is a dedicated list that has been set up sp
Hello Andrzej,
Sunday, September 24, 2000, 5:14:19 PM, you wrote:
A Talking about the somehow hidden power of TB and his Sorting
A Office, the possibilities of Templates and macros. I would suggest
A to you guys, [especially after reading in several postings about a
A will to help
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Hello Ming-Li!
On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 5:56:19 PM you wrote:
No, you don't have to use IE.
I think it needs a little clarification. Indeed Becky v2 can launch
the default system browser you choose, but to view html email within
Becky
Dear Gary,
Included in your e-mail stamped Sunday, September 24, 2000,
3:14 PM re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat! ) you wrote:
A [...] writing a good manual, explaining the use
A of most advanced features of the program would be an enormous
A contribution and a "big
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 05:02:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
Though I appreciate Arjan's initiative, I don't think it's meant to
take such discussions away from TBUDL. It's not OT, and I'm not sure
RIT guys read TBOM. The bottom line is, I can't go set up, e.g.,
TBFLT, and say all discussion about filters
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Hi Arjan,
On 25 September 2000 at 23:23:16 GMT +0200 (which was 22:23 where I
live) Arjan de Groot wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":
AdG However, be assured that in no way
Hello Ming-Li,
On Monday, September 25, 2000 at 06:17:55 GMT -0700 (which was 6:17 AM
where I live) witnesses say Ming-Li typed:
OTOH, I sometimes like to have a glance at my folder tree
and see the distribution of messages, and I appreciate TB for giving
me that.
See I view my
On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 4:19:33 AM Ming-Li wrote:
ML On Saturday, September 23, 2000, 3:18:59 PM, Andrzej wrote:
ML While it's a nice feature to have, and probably high on many TB
ML users' wish list, I personally are quite content with TB's editor.
ML For me, the ability to reflow
On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 4:49:41 AM Mark wrote:
MW Hi Andrzej -
MW Saturday, September 23, 2000, 5:18:59 PM, you wrote:
MW I'm intrigued about the plug-in newsreader support; that sounds great! I am
MW another long-time Agent user, and I would love to see TB! offer plug-in
MW
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Hello Ming-Li!
Saturday, September 23, 2000, 4:45:33 PM, you wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 6:48:45 PM, John wrote:
For the rest of use, Becky v2 looks like a powerful, highly
customisable program with a nice editor and, yes, a proper
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Hi Charlie,
On 24 September 2000 at 10:01:54 GMT +0100 (which was 10:01 where I
live) Charlie Turner wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":
CT when I hit the reply button the only inc
Hello All,
On 24-9-2000 11:01:54, Charlie wrote:
C However my newsreader does allow me to highlight the text to be
C included in a reply so that when I hit the reply button the only
C included text is that which was highlighted. Simply hitting reply
C without highlighting includes all the
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CT when I hit the reply button the only included text is that which
CT was highlighted. Simply hitting reply without highlighting
CT includes all the original text. Can This be acheived
On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 10:25:45 AM - Fred wrote:
FvV Hello All,
FvV On 24-9-2000 11:01:54, Charlie wrote:
C However my newsreader does allow me to highlight the text to be
C included in a reply so that when I hit the reply button the only
C included text is that which was
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on Saturday, September 23, 2000 16:45:33, our bat friend Ming-Li typed:
For those TB users out there who absolutely positively have to have
3,000 templates for every conceivable purpose, then TB is the only
option.
ML That's not me. I use
On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 11:01:05 AM - Krister wrote:
KE that Becky could be turned into a newsreader if so desired. I haven't
KE checked this out as of yet, but i'll do that. Maybe something for the
KE bat folks, to at least offer newsreading capability as a plugin?
That one's not for
Saturday, September 23, 2000, 4:45:33 PM, you wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 6:48:45 PM, John wrote:
For the rest of use, Becky v2 looks like a powerful, highly
customisable program with a nice editor and, yes, a proper HTML
viewer using IE (okay, the paranoid can stay away, but
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:54:23 +0200
Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DH Is it a must to use IE? Or can Becky invoke any browser (let's say,
DH through Windows' system default)? Just that I am tired of programmes
DH forcing me to use
On Saturday, September 23, 2000, 8:49:41 PM, Mark wrote:
Nice list of the features you like. After reading all of the
posts about Becky, I downloaded version 2 beta 28, and here's what
I didn't like. I didn't take too much time to play with it, but
the following features either weren't
On Sunday, September 24, 2000, 3:01:05 AM, Krister wrote:
I thought the filters in Becky were limited, or maybe it's me
who's wrong there.
Compared to TB, yes, it's limited, and it's one of the main reasons
I chose TB over Becky.
An aproach that made me want to eventually switch was the
On Sunday, September 24, 2000, 4:29:16 AM, John wrote:
For the rest of use, Becky v2 looks like a powerful, highly
customisable program with a nice editor and, yes, a proper HTML
viewer using IE (okay, the paranoid can stay away, but for the
rest of us who enjoy reading HTML newsletters and
Thank you, Ming-Li!
Continuing the comparison
That being said, there're a few other Becky's features I like (in no
particular order):
1. Current account on top: well, it's a little hard to explain
unless you try it. Simply speaking, Becky can (optionally)
automatically
This message: 24/09/2000 22:51 GMT.
Hello Andrzej,
A reminder of what Andrzej ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
24 September 2000 at 23:14:19 GMT +0200
A Hi! There are other minor nice implementations in the interface of
A Becky that I like:
If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and
The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that
Tony Boom said on Sunday, September 24, 2000:
Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the Bat/Becky
comparison be moved onto TBOT or
On 25-09-2000 at 00:05, Tony Boom kindly wrote:
Andrzej ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:
A Hi! There are other minor nice implementations in the interface of
A Becky that I like:
If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
e-mail client which you are quite obviously
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:
Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the Bat/Becky
comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat versus other
e-mail clients list is please.
TBOM!
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:
TB If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
TB e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you
TB subscribed to a mailing list primarily for users of The
Dear Mr. Boom!
1. I did not start this thread [TB versus Becky v.2]
2. I am not trying to "convert" anybody. Why should I? It's a pure
nonsense.
3. I do not like this kind of defensive behaviour. We are not
discussing any ideological matters here.
4. I am currently using both programs
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Hi Tony,
On 24 September 2000 at 23:05:54 GMT +0100 (which was 23:05 where I
live) Tony Boom wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":
TB Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The
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Hi Andrzej,
On 25 September 2000 at 01:18:22 GMT +0200 (which was 00:18 where I
live) Andrzej wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":
A 5. Thank you, guys, for solidarity in
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Hi!
on Saturday, September 23, 2000 01:09:56, our bat friend Tony Boom
typed:
TB I'll have a play for a day or so and if you want to compair notes
then
TB I'll see you on TBOT
Silly question of the day: what's TBOT?
- --
/Krister
email:
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Hi Krister,
On 23 September 2000 at 13:37:10 GMT +0200 (which was 12:37 where I
live) Krister Ekstrom wrote and made these points on the subject
of "OT: Bekky v.2 Was: Re[2]: Main Window in Bat!":
TB I'll have a play for a day or so
On 23-09-2000, 14:05:36 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
TBOT is The Bat Off-Topic discussion list. It is a list set up by one
of our members on egroups which takes the "overspill" conversations
from TBUDL and TBBETA.
And let's not forget the forthcoming split offs that, thanks to my
very own
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Hi Arjan,
On 23 September 2000 at 15:54:41 GMT +0200 (which was 14:54 where I
live) Arjan de Groot wrote and made these points on the subject
of "OT: Bekky v.2 Was: Re[2]: Main Window in Bat!":
AdG TBBRAG - boasting about TB.
I tried
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This message: 23/09/2000 14:56 GMT.
Hello Krister,
A reminder of what Krister ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
23 September 2000 at 13:37:10 GMT +0200
KE Silly question of the day: what's TBOT?
The Bat Off Topic list.
^ ^ ^ ^
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This message: 23/09/2000 16:54 GMT.
Hello Marck,
A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
23 September 2000 at 16:14:03 GMT +0100
MDP Subscription request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected
MDP You have been witnessed making
On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 6:48:45 PM, John wrote:
At the moment it's still the best email client around, but today
I've been playing around with the beta of Becky v2 (now on to beta
28 and close to the finished article), and if the finished product
fulfils the promise of the beta, I
Hi Ming-Li,
Saturday, September 23, 2000, 10:45:33, you wrote:
ML I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
ML time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
ML Becky also impressed me and had some features I like that TB
ML didn't (and doesn't) supply.
On 23-09-2000 at 21:48, Havivah D. Schwartz kindly wrote:
Saturday, September 23, 2000, 10:45:33, Ming-Li wrote:
ML I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
ML time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
ML Becky also impressed me and had some
In response to0 Hi Ming-Li,
Saturday, September 23, 2000, 10:45:33, you wrote:
ML I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
ML time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
ML Becky also impressed me and had some features I like that TB
ML didn't
On 23-09-2000, 16:14:03 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
AdGTBBRAG - boasting about TB.
I tried to join this list but was rejected with the following
disclaimer:
Subscription request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected
You have been witnessed making less than flattering remarks in
On Saturday, September 23, 2000, 3:18:59 PM, Andrzej wrote:
ML I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
ML time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
ML Becky also impressed me and had some features I like that TB
ML didn't (and doesn't) supply.
Hi Andrzej -
Saturday, September 23, 2000, 5:18:59 PM, you wrote:
Andrzej Hi All! As you will recall I posted only once to the list, but I am
Andrzej watching and learning a lot from you, guys. As for today, I am about to
Andrzej change over to Becky, although I like and appreciate TB very
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 10:32:20 AM, A. wrote:
ML Oh, wait a minute, let me try it. Ah-so, I see. Thanks for
ML teaching me this shortcut. How come it's not on the "complete"
ML shortcut list? Maybe it could use a little update.
CTRLSHIFTE is there in the "View" menu beside the
A reminder of what Graham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
22 September 2000 at 19:10:02 GMT +0100
G Becky 2 is still in beta testing, and doesn't have the power of the Bat,
G but it is definitely worth looking a
Are you talking about the Same Becky version 2.00 beta 28 that I've just
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On 21/09/2000 at 01:45, A. Curtis Martin wrote:
JA The seem to be doing a good job of this. Their target users appear
JA to be Power users who care more about the capabilities of the
JA program than details in the workings of its interface.
A.
Hi Januk,
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:45:27 -0700GMT (21/09/2000, 06:45 +0800GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:
JA So let me understand, you want TB to remember your preferred layout
JA for every configuration that's available? Isn't that a lot of data to
JA be stored?
No. They have stored the data
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:14:18 +0100, Graham wrote:
JA The seem to be doing a good job of this. Their target users appear
JA to be Power users who care more about the capabilities of the
JA program than details in the workings of its interface.
A.
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On 21/09/2000 at 13:27, A. Curtis Martin wrote:
A. :-) There's a reason for my saying this Graham. Right now my feelings
A. for TB! are bitter sweet. The bitter feelings are secondary to problems
A. like we just discussed. The sweet feelings come
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:33:06 +0100, Graham wrote:
A. The advanced feature that has me hooked the most is the use of
A. templates.
G Whilst I like the way its implemented in TB, its not the only mailer
G that uses them.
There's no mailer that even
A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal,
wrote on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 15:45:27 (GMT -0700),
which was Thursday 0:45 a.m. in Bratislava --
JA Let me rephrase: Do you know of any shortcuts on TB that *don't*
JA require too many keys?
You're right, there are lots of such shortcuts here. The
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 4:50:38 PM, Avenarius wrote:
First of all, the window frames don't stick. No matter how high
you arrange your message preview window to be, you only need to
hit CTRL+SHIFT+E twice (as you must, sooner or later), and your
customized
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:44:46 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
ML What's does this do?
ML Oh, wait a minute, let me try it. Ah-so, I see. Thanks for teaching
ML me this shortcut. How come it's not on the "complete" shortcut list?
ML Maybe it could use a little
A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal,
wrote on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 18:45:22 (GMT -0700),
which was 3:45 a.m. in Bratislava --
JA Until today, I had never used the Ctrl-Shift-E shortcut. But you
JA are right, the position is not sticky. [...] However, I don't see
JA your point about *needing*
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A It's terrible that the preview pane position always returns to the
A default (middle of screen) predetermined by Ritlabs.
Agreed. I find it very distressing myself, that TB! falls flat on
Hello A,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 15:52:34 GMT -0500 (which was 1:52 PM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:
A If there are any people out there who prefer the preview pane to cut
A the right half of the main window *exactly* in the middle, as is now
A the case,
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:45:27 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
JA So let me understand, you want TB to remember your preferred layout
JA for every configuration that's available? Isn't that a lot of data
JA to be stored? Or do you mean just the sizes of
Susanne, your English is perfect as far as I can say.
I have the same main window arrangement as you have (full height
account tree) and I'd say that the complaint that you have is one the
least aggravating aspects of The Bat's main window.
First of all, the window frames don't stick. No matter
Hello Avenarius,
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 01:50:38 GMT +0200 (which was 4:50 PM
where I live) witnesses say Avenarius typed:
First of all, the window frames don't stick. No matter how high you
arrange your message preview window to be, you only need to hit
CTRL+SHIFT+E twice
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