Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
who will rise to the level of his thinking?   On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:02:08 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Don’t be so hard on JD—he tries hard. J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: F

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks, John. But you'd better leave your Robertson's at HOME! It might get misplaced along the way.   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
(ftr, one current source of 'the summary with a link' concept--this is a good approach to citing info perhaps a few people, not everybody, may require)   On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:12:11 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || Click the links for scans of the documents..

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
that the term 'sodomites', below, includes purveyors of perversions such as gossip and gluttony reinforces a biblical learning curve, Terry   'sodomite' actually reads as a reference to those who dwelt in Sodom, where, acc to Scripture, there were numerous/various injustices   E.g., Sodom's

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Anyone who believes that Unity in the Faith is non-existent apart from "speaking and thinking the same thing"  (as extended to a specific set of teachings) is a legalist.  JD   Don’t you mean to say “same thang”? Iz

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
How’s that for a way with words! J Izzy  == How about perverts?  That should cover the whole filty disgusting bunch. Terry  __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail

RE: [TruthTalk] pastor acquitted re: homos

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
I tried but the link wouldn’t work.  Next time.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] pastor acquitted re: homos   Moderator's Note:

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Don’t be so hard on JD—he tries hard. J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:10 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior   ftr, a near perfect example of anti-

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
Never mind, Judy, I found it. Your statement is the opinion of a preacher named Dr. DeHaan of the Radio Bible Class, but he doesn't give his sources either. It seems like he should have told you (and by extension us) of the obscurity of his definition for this word. He wrote: "In Hebrews

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 8:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about perverts?  That should cover the whole filty disgusting bunch. Terry Depends on whether you are trying to help them or not.   The behavior is very disgusting.  By "help them" I am talking about

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
Biil      never tire of offering your opinion on these matters.   A very beneficial post.   Your lexical aides are interesting.   When we get together, I will bring my 1935  A.T, Robertson Greek grammar  --- we can stand above the book, holding lite candles  and hum or something !

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:28:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So sodomites it is then! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You fail to comprehend that Kevin is criticizing HYPOCRISY not in

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:06:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is readily available [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you miss it? What is so important about this list? Are you a L

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 3:56:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OhâI thought maybe you meant âudder waistâ.  Iz My humor often rises to the level of a thoughtful listener.   The fact that you see "udder" in "utter"  proves, to me, that you are one of the thoughtful.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: So sodomites it is then! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You fail to comprehend that Kevin is criticizing HYPOCRISY not intolerance. He criticizes those who holler real loud that everyone

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
As it relates to the current discussion on the human nature of our Lord, Judy wrote   >   Jesus partook of human flesh without partaking of the effect of Adam's blood.  Heb 2:14 says "forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself like

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
Joseph was responsible for these news articles so he must have got mixed up"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BLAINE: Thank you for taking time to look these up. But I see no problem here. The names Nephi and Moroni both sound a lot alike--it is likely people got the two confused when w

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
All accounts DO NOT include two individuals! Most accounts do not for instance the 1832 handwritten acct of Joe http://www.lds-mormon.com/fv.shtml I cried unto the Lord for mercy forthere was none else to whom I could go and {to} obtain mercy andthe Lord heard my cry in the wilderness and while in

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
Try it with your wife   Thats what happened with all those other details also.   Some of the most unusual excuses since I caught the kids in the cookie jar"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BLAINE: Thank you for taking time to look these up. But I see no problem here. The names Nephi an

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
So sodomites it is then![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You fail to comprehend that Kevin is criticizing HYPOCRISY not intolerance. He criticizes those who holler real loud that everyone needs to be tolerant, but then

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is readily available[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you miss it?What is so important about this list? Are you a LEGALIST need a bunch of rules?You act like your ready to gloat cause you think there is no such t

Re: [TruthTalk] pastor acquitted re: homos

2005-02-11 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: From WorldNetDaily.com: EUROPE Friday, February 11, 2005 . Last updated 9:55 a.m. PT Swedish pastor is acquitted on appeal By MATTIAS KAREN ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER photo Swedish pastor Aake Green poses in his church in Borgholm, Sweden Friday Feb. 11, 2005. A Swedish appeals

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
hopefully the foregoing helps our readers to follow the discussion, too   It helped me :>) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin this is

RE: [TruthTalk] Another Bad day in Utah

2005-02-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think it would be more likely the two lesbians taught each other--no parents involved--as they got "engaged." And it was so much fun they decided to try it again--and again--ad infintum. LOL -- "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: According to that premise, all Lesbians were the child

[TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: Thank you for taking time to look these up. But I see no problem here. The names Nephi and Moroni both sound a lot alike--it is likely people got the two confused when writing down what they heard Joseph say. Also, the first vision and the angelic visit are separate events: the

Re: [TruthTalk] pastor acquitted re: homos

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
Moderator's Note:   Since people have plenty of private access to these stories in myriad internet sources, please briefly summarize such 'news' and post it with a reference link included--that will be sufficient to communicate your interest to us.   Thank you.   G   On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
ftr, a near perfect example of anti-intellectualism in a 'knowing w/o learning' style of intepretation:   On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:55:42 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  Oh—I thought maybe you meant “udder waist”.  Iz

[TruthTalk] pastor acquitted re: homos

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
From WorldNetDaily.com: Friday, February 11, 2005 · Last updated 9:55 a.m. PT Swedish pastor is acquitted on appeal By MATTIAS KAREN ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER     Swedish pastor Aake Green poses in his church in Borgholm, Sweden Friday Feb. 11, 200

[TruthTalk] Should Charles & Camilla marry?

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Evangelicals say Charles and Camilla should have opportunity to repent -10/02/05 As Church denominations and groups issued statements of congratulations today on the news of the Prince of Wales’s engagement to Mrs Camilla Parker-Bowles, the body representing one million Evangelicals in th

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:17 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior   In a message dated 2/11/2005 2:12:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
this is crucial--all posts carry interpretive baggage; obviously, jts 'science of intepretation', theologically, is not yours; also, she maintains that it's only her 'science of intepretation' that perfectly equates to 'rightly dividing the Word of Truth'   in the background, like 'stealth

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 2:12:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your inability to supply such a list has proven your theology on this point to be an utter waist. John waist   ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (wst) n. The part of the human trunk between the bottom of the

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:47 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior   In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
  Bill had asked (for the second time): Was Jesus God with us, and if so, why did you say he "did not come here as God," and if not, why do you say he is not Emmanuel?   jt answered: Have you ever heard of "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" Bill?  One can force scripture to

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that you guys are talking about two different things.  John, aren't you creating a straw man argument here, trying to make Kevin argue that unity is based upon full agreement with Biblical do

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin > Judy wrote: > > The Brethren qualify because they are called > > out, set apart, and sanctified - at least those > > who are in Christ are; a

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You fail to comprehend that Kevin is criticizing HYPOCRISY not intolerance. He criticizes those who holler real loud that everyone needs to be tolerant, but then they manifest the most intolerant behavior t

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you miss it? What is so important about this list? Are you a LEGALIST need a bunch of rules? You act like your ready to gloat cause you think there is no such thing. Yet it exists, is right in front of

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
you have some for sale?   On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:36:52 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BUY TRUTH ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:53:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Have you ever heard of "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" Bill?  One can force scripture to validate anything when they come with a strong preconceived notion. Coming from our friend, Judy Taylor   (no

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:11:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill:IMO ONLY, Judy has 'rules of engagement' and both you and John violate them.In so doing it is simply impossible for either of you to have the conversation you could have with one another as your 'rules of

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 7:12:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stop with "heresy" Judy. It means absolutely nothing coming from you.  And I could care less about such nonsensical statements.   jt: Here we go with the personal "ad hominems" again John, you  just can't see

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 7:12:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Then you have embraced a gospel very similar to that of Mormonism. So what?  jt: So - that gospel is false and it is heresy.  There is not a whole lot of difference between yours and theirs you are

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Classification

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
Click the links for scans of the documents BalaineKevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." Millennial Star, vol. 3, p. 53 (1842) "Again, when we read the history of

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fw: Call to Heaven]

2005-02-11 Thread Terry Clifton
      Subject: Call to Heaven A man in Topeka, Kansas, decided to write a book about churches around the country.  He started by flying to San Francisco, and started working east from there.  Going to a very large church, he began taking photographs and making notes. He sp

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
BUY TRUTH - DON'T RENT !   Pr 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding     [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *'we'*, meaning clearly that a bilateral relationship exists with Pastor Smithson, below   ..perhaps that unity is essential to your ongoing conversatio

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Classification

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
"He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." Millennial Star, vol. 3, p. 53 (1842) "Again, when we read the history of our beloved brother, Joseph Smith, and of the glorious ministry and message of the angel N

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > The Brethren qualify because they are called > out, set apart, and sanctified - at least those > who are in Christ are; and they now have power > to overcome any and all innate inclinations > and/or tendencies. Jesus also had innate inclinations and tendencies similar to us, but beca

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
some feedback:   no 'RoE', below, implies an eerie isolationism, perhaps like a mental handicap (to learning 'Truth')   further, maybe your approach to hermeneutics is becoming clearer which is good; is summed up in the notion that true Christians know 'Truth' before it is learned   while

[TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy wrote:> So you claim Jesus was born with "an innate> inclination or tendency toward sin?"  If this is> so then the wise men who came to worship> Him were fooled, and the angels along with> Simeon and Anna were false prophets because> they all call

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > So you claim Jesus was born with "an innate > inclination or tendency toward sin?" If this is > so then the wise men who came to worship > Him were fooled, and the angels along with > Simeon and Anna were false prophets because > they all called Him Holy. An innate inclination towar

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Judy Taylor
Don't know anything about "rules of engagement" - TT is Rafferty's rules most of the time but once more you are living in the world of Lance.  Attached is a review of one of "your boys" FYI and anyone else who might be interested.  The reviewer points out the obvious contradictions but likes

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread ttxpress
*'we'*, meaning clearly that a bilateral relationship exists with Pastor Smithson, below   ..perhaps that unity is essential to your ongoing conversation?   ..in certain wars the DMZ for the North was also the DMZ for the South   ..for now i think the 'bilateral' notion applies, depending o

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Classification

2005-02-11 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  FWIW.No one on the other forum responded to my question. David Miller wrote: Perry wrote: I am afraid running the question of whether JS was baptised a Baptist through a LDS forum will only get you the answer you want instead of the truth. Perhaps, but I

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-11 Thread Knpraise
Well,  I am definitely going to save this.  Your comments at the conclusion or worth concern.  Amen to the post.  JD In a message dated 2/10/2005 7:10:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:36:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 2/10/

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:21:54 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy wrote  >  Jesus layed aside his former glory so he was not on this earth as God ...   And again later she says   >   Jesus did not come here as God. He layed aside his former glory and took upon himself a bod

[TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Judy Taylor
  JD: So why is the creation of Adam any different.  I believe in the "fall."   I do not believe in a fallen nature.    Adam was always going to sin.    Christ was always going to come to his rescue.   And that is why I believe that to disbelieve in the eternal Sonship of  the Christ is to

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Lance Muir
Bill:IMO ONLY, Judy has 'rules of engagement' and both you and John violate them.In so doing it is simply impossible for either of you to have the conversation you could have with one another as your 'rules of engagement' (yours & Johns) are sufficiently similar to do so.  - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Bill Taylor
  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin     On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:21:54 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] evidence of BoM

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
Christians accept questions they search out Truth Christians do not resist doubts, they search out the Truth Christians do not have Authorities who try to limit the effects of NON Faith Promoting works Christians seek out Truth   Any good works on Cumorah from a non mormon? "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EM

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church throws curves

2005-02-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
In America any Church can have it's views and try to advance them in the public square but not in the back offices of Government or directly in the legislature as in the peoples republic of Utah "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BLAINE: Kevin, what do you expect? You SPs do the powerpl

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:08 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John in bold print  -  we will have to clean this up next time around, I think.  n a message dated 2/10/2005 6:26:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first Adam chose to do it wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-11 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:21:54 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy wrote  >  Jesus layed aside his former glory so he was not on this earth as God ...   And again later she says   >   Jesus did not come here as God. He layed aside his former glory and to