Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Bill, It appears in scripture that there is a point at which one becomes "spiritually alive". Often,

Re: [TruthTalk] The LDS Jesus needed to be saved!

Bruce McConkie confesses that "Christ... is a saved being."McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 257. The official student manual, Doctrines of the Gospel, teaches that "the plan of salvation which he [Elohim] designed was to save his children, Christ included; neither Christ nor Lucifer could of themselv

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Having read the "LDS" response to these purportedly Christian beliefs, I can't help thinking that there are far more Mormons around here than I first realized. Maybe John is on to something.   Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

Keeping members a challenge for LDS churchMormon myth: The belief that the church is the fastest-growing faith in the world doesn't hold up http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2890645 When the Graduate Center of the City University of New York conducted an American Religious Identification Survey in

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

You see, we are not all that different from traditional Christians like yourself huh?   Christians Believe in a Personal Relationship with Jesus LDS reject such. Bruce R. McConkie, stated that people who speak of a "special relationship with Christ" are guilty of "excessive zeal" and "pure sectaria

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Why is the prefix "spiritual" not applied  --  especially sense there was such a word as "spiritual" available to the writers?       That's a really good question, John. Maybe it is because those writers did not dichotomize personhood like, say, Augustine would.   Bill - Original Messa

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Why do you always focus on Minutia? Sort of like the Wizard of OZ.   "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!" http://www.chugachconsumers.org/images/Oz-ManBehind.jpgAs Groucho Marx used to say: "Who are you going to believe — me or your eyes?" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb:  One

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Man, you may be talking to fast for me.  I am following along, here,  and did not intend my comments below to be anything other than a long question to Bill (especially)  Your questions were good, as well.    Eternal whatever is something that I am still working on.   Right now,  I see some raise

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Why do you always focus on Minutia? Sort of like the Wizard of OZ.   "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb:  One of Kevin's favorite tricks--take something out of context, then prove it wrong.  The entire context is on one of my previous posts, but h

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

SEER STONES are OCCULT that is why Joe used them, along with all his other tools of the trade. At first the stones were used to find Treasure and then he changed the story to the BoM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb:  One of Kevin's favorite tricks--take something out of context, then prove it w

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

John, will everyone be raised to eternal life? And, will all have the same state? If so, then why is salvation desirable? What is a term we can use while one is still alive to indicate whether they will be saved or not? how about "spiritually alive" (saved) or "spiritually dead" (not saved)? P

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Have you read any of the scholarly books and articles by LDS Authors?   http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1560851570/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/002-4317535-3904844 Insider's View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer The author of this exceptionally clear & thoroughly documented book is an active, fourth-g

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Perry wrote > By the way, what difference does it make if I understand this or not? It makes a difference in your ability to hold consistent and true beliefs pertaining to the things of God and to rightly explain those things to others. Perry wrote > "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  Do I miss the point? The body, soul, mind and spirit are so integral to each other as to be without separation.   If we are alive , we are alive in total.   If we are dead, we are dead in total.  Our bodies will be raised and reunited with soul mind and spirit (correct?) THEN transformed int

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Blaine, I had posed a few questions to you regarding the bom, and I fear you got sidetracked by Kevin's posts...lets try again, if you will... Most books, fiction and non-fiction, have internal consistency. But, they are typically written by a single author, so internal consistency is not rema

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Terry, can you take comment on these points one by one and let me know why you think each is pitiful. Thanks. Perry From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Most definitely   -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:22:24 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Pitiful.===[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To argu

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill, It appears in scripture that there is a point at which one becomes "spiritually alive". Often, this is referred to as "quickeneing". Check out these verses: Ephesians 2:1 - And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Ephesians 2:5 - Even when we were dead in si

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Pitiful. === [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To argue that salvation is free but after the initial event, we must obey to maintain this salvation is wrong on several levels:   1..  Such denies the unmeritorious gift of salvation by

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Hi Izzy, thanks for your patience too. It is very much appreciated. I am working on a response to your question and will get it posted as soon as I can.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:24

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

To argue that salvation is free but after the initial event, we must obey to maintain this salvation is wrong on several levels:   1..  Such denies the unmeritorious gift of salvation by faith through grace and THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES,  it is the gift of God.    2.   It does not allow for failure 

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

In a message dated 7/26/2005 6:23:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, at least now I think I understand where you are coming from, and your bias against the term, although I don’t necessarily agree.  I still think that you can be alive physically but not aliv

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Blainerb:  One of Kevin's favorite tricks--take something out of context, then prove it wrong.  The entire context is on one of my previous posts, but here it is again--as can be seen, my post states that the use of the seer stone is a well documented fact.  Kevin knows it was stated in my p

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

More hear-say from Kevin's anti-Mormon sites, none of which can be verified by first-hand documentation.  Warlock?  LOL I bet he's been  watching "Charmed."   See Below for truth  -->   Most reports state that throughout the project Joseph used the "Nephite interpreters" or, for co

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically (if you know), what is the point here?   Who denies that we are blessed in following the advice of the Lord?   Where, pray tell, is it said that we are not saved until and unless we accomplish this task?   Where are those words?   (Hint  -  they ar

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Why don't you ask John. He has made this same statement many times, and I think he really means it, as if to gloat or something. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:42 PM To: TruthTalk@m

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yes, Judy, the cross means death to “self” and alive to Christ.  Which means life.  You are both right.  J izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:44 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.inng

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Izzy in bold blue:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:49 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death     - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Izzy in red:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death     - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

I’ll try to keep that in mind. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:24 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   Yes, that would at least leave open the possibility

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:09:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again,  I am just amazed that you would argue this point with BT.   I know of absolutely no on who would correct BT on this : "the cross stands as that which gave them life."  .   Life as a result of the cross??? 

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Other late reports mention a variety of further details, but they cannot be historically confirmed or denied.I guess they did not try real hard: "sometimes Joseph used a seer stone when enquiring of the Lord, and receiving revelation" Report of Elders Orson Pratt and Joseph F. Smith, Concluded", D

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

       On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:09:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again,  I am just amazed that you would argue this point with BT.   I know of absolutely no on who would correct BT on this : "the cross stands as that which gave them life."  .   Life as a result of the cross???  You want "evi

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

jt: The jury is out on that JD We will see who is left standing and who Jesus calls an overcomer at the end.  judyt   On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:26:27 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:    There is a whole spirit realm out there that probably 90% of professing christendom is ignorant

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:09:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again,  I am just amazed that you would argue this point with BT.   I know of absolutely no on who would correct BT on this : "the cross stands as that which gave them life."  .   Life as a result of the cross???  You want "evi

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

   There is a whole spirit realm out there that probably 90% of professing christendom is ignorant about       Well, at least you admit just how out  of step you are in this discussion between Bill and , and,  I have forgotten.  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Thank you.   And if any on this forum were to respond by saying,  "On yeah,  I have more blessings than you"  I would smile, nod my head in agreement and say "praise the Lord."    JD  -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Is this not being intentionally quarrelsome, Judy? Please respect my request and stay out of my conversations. I will do the same for you.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Blainerb:  Here is a closer approximation of the truth regards the translation of the BoM.  Kevin's version is, naturally, taken from his favorite anti-Mormon sites. Of course you IGNORE the fact that Joe was a Warlock. A number of "LDS" Historians have written scholarly articles & books on this su

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Again,  I am just amazed that you would argue this point with BT.   I know of absolutely no on who would correct BT on this : "the cross stands as that which gave them life."  .   Life as a result of the cross???  You want "evidence" of life as a result of the cross  !!!

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

If you don't want a public response Bill then you will need to write to them off-line. I will show the same courtesy when I desire privacy.  judyt   On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:53:45 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   Please do not respond to the comments I make to other peop

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

  Please do not respond to the comments I make to other people, Judy. I will show the same courtesy to you.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

[TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Bill writes: This term is either an unbiblical doctrine (cf. as set forth in the Augustinian/Calvinist position) or it is metaphorical language and as such it is representative of something else, which may be real (cf. this has been your position). In reality, and this is my position, it is n

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Actually, when John said, "...I would make you jealous", I thought he was using a metaphor to say "I have many blessings", or "you would be surprised at how much I have been blessed". I didn't think he was really assuming any other believer would be jealous. We use similar phrases all the time.

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:12:33 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill wrote  >  The cross stands as that which gave them life.   jt: The cross always represents death. judyt   jd writes: He died that we might live..that's life as opposed to death He

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

  An excellent point G.   But so is your comment equating obedience to training.  In a time when it is admitted that righteousness does not come by the Law,  the place of obedience is, perhaps, better understood as a "fitting" or a "training.   Thanks.   You got the juices flowing once again.   

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

I'll correct some typos below. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

(a command which is impossible to obey)   On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:26:57 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: heal!     On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:08:10 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jd: WORKS SALVATION IS NOT THE GOSPEL  JD   jt: You..argue against obedi

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yes, it's a salaried position; however I would be getting overtime, had I have been their and had to stay over.   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sp

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Judy, you are building a strawman. Please either stick with the discussion or drop it altogether.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:22 AM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Izzy in red:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

heal!     On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:08:10 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jd: WORKS SALVATION IS NOT THE GOSPEL  JD   jt: You..argue against obedience [training] constantly JD .. renamed it "works salvation"  

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yes, that would at least leave open the possibility for further discussion, without first having to muddle our way through the nuancing of an existing doctrine.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 200

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Bill,   Spiritual death is as much a reality as is physical death.  Do you agree? (Please

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

        Bill wrote  >  The cross stands as that which gave them life. jt: The cross always represents death. judyt         He died that we might live..that's life as opposed to death   He has reconciled all things unto Himself -- and in Him is the word, LI

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Got pay ???    -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:31 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death The prison is in lock-down today -- some kind of weapons violation; hence no one goes in and no one comes

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill you also wrote: Neither of you seem to "get it" that "spiritual death" is not biblical language; it is a doctrine which speaks to biblical concepts; it is a synthesis, a conclusion. You have picked up on the language of this doctrine, but the concepts that it represents are treated diffe

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:15:37 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bill, the reason they aren’t serving God with their mind, body, soul is because they are spiritually separated from Him (dead—not physically but spiritually!). Izzy   Do you mean that their spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:31 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The prison is in lock-down today -- some kind of weapons violation; hence no one goes in and no one comes out. And so, for those who may be wondering, I am at home for the time being and not at work.

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Izzy in red:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:16 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   Bill, the reason they aren’t serving God with their mind, body, soul is

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Would you like it better if I said “Dead to the things of God”??? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   Bill, the reason

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill,   Spiritual death is as much a reality as is physical death.  Do you agree? (Please answer.)   It means spiritual separation from God—hell bound. Jesus just called it “dead”.  Would you prefer that we call people dead like Jesus did, rather than clarifying which type of death we

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill, the reason they aren’t serving God with their mind, body, soul is because they are spiritually separated from Him (dead—not physically but spiritually!). Izzy   Do you mean that their spirits are literally dead? If so, then how can they, of their own free will, choose to serve God? Wo

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill, the reason they aren’t serving God with their mind, body, soul is because they are spiritually separated from Him (dead—not physically but spiritually!). Izzy   I told Izzy that I thought there was a spiritual element included in Jesus' statement: "Follow me, and let t

RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Myth.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:03 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'       Blainer:  Are you confusing Joseph Smith w

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

The prison is in lock-down today -- some kind of weapons violation; hence no one goes in and no one comes out. And so, for those who may be wondering, I am at home for the time being and not at work. Bill wrote  >  The cross stands as that which gave them life. jt: The cross always represe

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:56:22 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: Bill, I don't see it as ridicule to say what the Bible says.    The Bible doesn't say anything about spiritual death. That is something you are adding. Why don't you treat yourself with the scrutiny

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

  On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:36:49 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:jt: Not surprising since He blesses both the just and the unjust.    jd: THIS IS TRUE JD   jt: What do you mean "does not work?" Does God have to "work for us" before we choose His way?  Rather we serve Him...     jd: WORKS SALV

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

jt: Bill, I don't see it as ridicule to say what the Bible says.    The Bible doesn't say anything about spiritual death. That is something you are adding. Why don't you treat yourself with the scrutiny you exact on others? Why don't you say what the Bible says?   jt: Only disciples were bei

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Huh? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Please don't be offended then if I point out that "two death

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Are you Perry? I didn't think so.   bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death jt: You have added the requi

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

I have not one time claimed that Jesus' statement pertained to physically dead people burying the dead. This is your confusion, Judy -- not mine. If you are so base as to draw that conclusion, how are you competent to draw any conclusions?   Bill  - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:56:08 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Impossible under the law?   What does this mean?    It means that the Promise of the Father who does the work and the sealing was not sent until after the death burial and resurrection of Christ.  Jesus was

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

      On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:42:18 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:46:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No blessing? Judy, such a comment demonstrates just how confused you really are.  On many occasions,   I have stated that if I were to speak of the many b

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Impossible under the law?   What does this mean?   Nicodemus was told of the new birth.   New birth occurs when I turn around (repent -- change the direction, in my mind, in which I am headed) and accept the workings of God already a part of who I am.  What of the thousands (IMO) of people Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Contradicting each other? How so?   In the phrase "let the dead bury the dead,"  you do not see a metaphor being used in the first case?     JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:0

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

    On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:42:18 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:46:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No blessing? Judy, such a comment demonstrates just how confused you really are.  On many occasions,   I have stated that if I were to spea

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Neither - Bill is the one asking for a tutor.  He is concerned for the wrong person. Talk with him.  jt   On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:13:08 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is your choice, Judy  -   me or G?   From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would someone els

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Please don't be offended then if I point out that "two deaths" is no more of a  Biblical term than "spiritual death" your objection to which began this thread.  IMO your definition is very confusing because a person who is dead in sin and trespasses is still able to function mentally as wel

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

jt: You have added the requirement of being born again to the mix Bill when this is impossible under the Law. However,  God is a covenant God and ppl who lived under the Old Covenant or even before that who worshipped and served him with what was available to them (like Job) He calls "righte

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Now you and Bill are contradicting each other JD.  Why not just allow God's Word to do the defining.  If you would rather call it "dead in trespass and sin" we can do that, but it is still a death that is in another dimension (other than physical that is).  jt   On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:11:52

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

    On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:13:18 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mar 12.30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. I told Izzy that I thought there

Re: [TruthTalk] Clowning Around

*PRODUCE THE PHOTOS OR RETRACT YOUR MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY COUNTENANCE! * DAVEH:  I think I finally found it, Perry..see attachment.     Request to DavidM.I think it is time to replace the old Perry photo on the TT members' picture site with this new one! Charles Perry Locke wrot