Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:47 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Rossi doesn't sound too worried > Since there doesn't seem to be the long-expected constant gush of hot steam in the works here, Rossi appears to be somewhat delusional. His ego appears legendary.

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: > I'm really curious to know why IH is providing you with so much data about > their internal workings. > Much of what I report comes from people outside of I.H. who visited Rossi. Some of it comes from Rossi. He is pissed off that I know it. The only reason I can think of i

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, I'm really curious to know why IH is providing you with so much data about their internal workings. The only reason I can think of is that they are using you to spread their side of the story. Obviously one party is lying. There is no proof yet which one and I take the position of waiti

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Axil Axil wrote: "I am sure Rossi and Penon claimed the reactor was producing heat on days > when it was turned off and disassembled." > > One of the 4 tigers (250 kilowatt units) was off line. That single unit > failure/repair situation is the reason for the the drop in reactor power to > 750 ki

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Fire-ing Squad

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > In this time of massive FUD production, it is near impossible to discover > how the world really works. What is your explanation of current affairs? > I'm an experienced marxist. Most of it is _dead simple_ for me to understand, actually. The pr

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

"I am sure Rossi and Penon claimed the reactor was producing heat on days when it was turned off and disassembled." One of the 4 tigers (250 kilowatt units) was off line. That single unit failure/repair situation is the reason for the the drop in reactor power to 750 kilowatts that are seen in the

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Fire-ing Squad

In this time of massive FUD production, it is near impossible to discover how the world really works. What is your explanation of current affairs? On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Che wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> Open source tech cannot garner the capital an

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: Rossi's answer to the claim the customer was not using the heat. > Why would Rossi make a court claim unless he was confident he could prove > the plant worked? > Why would I.H. say they measured the heat coming from the customer site and found nothing, unless they were confide

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a.ashfield wrote: > Murray lists himself as being an independent consultant. See my earlier > post. > It says "Independent Consultant June 2016 - present." The Exhibit 5 e-mail is dated Feb. 2016. Exhibit 19, introducing Murray to Rossi, was dated July 2015. So he was not introduced as an inde

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Rossi's answer to the claim the customer was not using the heat. Why would Rossi make a court claim unless he was confident he could prove the plant worked? Obviously he knows proof will be required. 1. Patrick Ellul August 7, 2016 at 5:20 PM

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Fire-ing Squad

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Open source tech cannot garner the capital and R&D power to pose a product > and capability replacement threat to the anti Rossi FUD interests that > Rossi can. Be assured, the LENR wars have just begun. > That's the Neoliberal, 'entrepreneuria

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Fire-ing Squad

Open source tech cannot garner the capital and R&D power to pose a product and capability replacement threat to the anti Rossi FUD interests that Rossi can. Be assured, the LENR wars have just begun. On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Che wrote: > > I understand why this list is utterly obsessed wi

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed. Murray lists himself as being an independent consultant. See my earlier post. On 8/7/2016 8:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote: It is not worth my time to determine the time sequence. I didn't think Murray was allowed in the plant until

[Vo]:Cold Fusion Fire-ing Squad

I understand why this list is utterly obsessed with Rossi: fraud or not, he has discredited cold fusion research all the more spectacularly than anyone else. However, what I _don't_ understand is: why is there so much about Andrea Rossi here -- and precious little about e.g. the Martin Fleischmann

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Rossi doesn't sound too worried 1. JP Renoir August 7, 2016 at 6:24 PM Dear Andrea Rossi, I have just finished to read the 66 pages of the counter complaints of IH, but they are just making assumption

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Except for the Papp engine, Piantelli, and Rossi, no LENR tech has ever > been patented. > I believe Dennis Cravens has one or more patents, including one for speeding up radioactive decay. Eric

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a.ashfield wrote: It is not worth my time to determine the time sequence. I didn't think > Murray was allowed in the plant until after the test . . . > You are wrong about that. In any case, many other people were in the plant, and they asked the same questions. > . . . and I expect Penon kn

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Except for the Papp engine, Piantelli, and Rossi, no LENR tech has ever been patented. On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > >> AlainCo Mar >> 22nd 2015 >>

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*If you're such an expert on defjalions tech, expert enough to asset if cannot work, how come you do not understand what the AirBus patent tech is about? * *When Defkalion principles were under extreme direst due to heath problems. They had no strength or money to continue to fight the LENR wars.

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Axil Axil wrote: > AlainCo Mar > 22nd 2015 > > states: "The patent really looks like Defkalion

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Axil Axil wrote: Vandenberghe wrote to *New Energy Times* that “Airbus Group has signed a > letter of intent” to work with his company. In recent weeks, AirBus group > has just patented the Dekalion design. That design had to have come > from Gamberale. Jed, are you acting as a unwitting dupe for

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https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/news/80-Airbus-Defence-Space-filed-a-LENR-patent-for-an-autonomous-reactor-in-september-/ AlainCo Mar 22nd 2015

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Gamberale left Defkalion after nine months and has started his own company to conduct research and development in LENRs, according to his LinkedIn profile. Vandenberghe wrote to *New Energy Times* that “Airbus Group has signed a letter of intent” to work with his company. In recent weeks, AirBus g

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

It is not worth my time to determine the time sequence. I didn't think Murray was allowed in the plant until after the test and I expect Penon knew he was hostile by then. So even if he didn't know of the pending court case he probably didn't feel inclined to answer a third party's request fo

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Axil Axil wrote: > There seems to be a pattern developing in the LENR body politic. The > systems integrator discredits the LENR inventor using the same flow meter > gambit. > You are talking about Defkalion and Rossi. No one else. There is no pattern. It happens that they both used flow meters

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There seems to be a pattern developing in the LENR body politic. The systems integrator discredits the LENR inventor using the same flow meter gambit. Then the systems integrator takes advantage of the IP of the defunct inventor to advance their business prospects. Jeb seems to support without exc

Re: [Vo]:first (Sun)day of total LENR war

So instead of people doing science, or following it -- we're all instead completely and endlessly distracted by the 'legal violence' of the proprietary Capitalist order. Someone is indeed profiting -- handsomely -- from this state of affairs. On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:

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I posted the following; let's see if it stays or vanishes. You asked me several times to describe what error Rossi made with the flow meter. The error was described in detail in Exhibit 5 from I.H., which is here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6qvuFUMAp9HMEQyeHZlX256U1E I summarized the pr

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: > I expect Penon will answer through Rossi's lawyers. > This letter was written before Rossi filed suit. No lawyers were involved then. Penon had plenty of time to respond. He did not. Furthermore, if there was a simple error such as referencing the wrong flow meter model (as

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

Peter Gluck wrote: I have not deleted anything it must be some confusion. > We are in confrontation but deleting is not my style. > Okay, I will try posting it for the third time. - Jed

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Jed, I expect Penon will answer through Rossi's lawyers. That would be the proper thing to do in a court case. Show some evidence of these other "experts" please. Why have they not made statements so far? On 8/7/2016 2:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>>

[Vo]:first (Sun)day of total LENR war

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-7-2016-lenr.html a lot to read but not to be happy peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

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I have not deleted anything it must be some confusion. We are in confrontation but deleting is not my style. sorry for what has happened peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote: > > Just from curiosity, who has deleted Jed's messages here? >> where actual

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

Peter Gluck wrote: Just from curiosity, who has deleted Jed's messages here? > where actually? I never delete a message except my initial sending > You or someone else at your blog deleted the message I posted on your blog. You did it twice. It was formatted differently the second time, so it wa

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: Just because you think he is an expert is not proof. > You can see from the letter he knows more than Penon does. Note that Penon never answered. I believe he skedaddled back to Italy. Probably a wise move. > From his background he is an electronics engineer and you have not

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: > > > Don't you think it would be better to wait for proof? > The proof is right there, in Exhibit 5. Penon never responded. If the statements were wrong, he would have pointed out the errors. > How do you know the flow meter (and all Dr. Penon's the other > instruments) w

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Daniel Rocha wrote: exhibit 3 > Exhibit 3 is another reactor! Read the main document, p. 11: "Photographs accurately depicting the Six Cylinder Unit are attached hereto as Exhibit 3. The Six Cylinder Unit remains in North Carolina." - Jed

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On 08/07/2016 01:31 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 08/07/2016 01:06 PM, Che wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield > wrote: What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? Good joke. Hah hah!

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

On 08/07/2016 01:06 PM, Che wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield > wrote: What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? Good joke. Hah hah! What will you sat if the the sky is suddenly full o

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running > before the trial? How many years go by with a lack of even definitive 'proof-of-concept' -- let alone the World being presented with a 'wiz-bang' working prototype -- fro

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Your earlier defense was that Murray was an expert. Also, that I wasn't > there. You weren't there either and are just relying on hear say. > What other "experts" were on the case? Murray was the one who wrote Dr. > Penon. > Whatever any e

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

The flow meter problem is just a tiny part of the picture. You don't need to go beyond the paragraph below to throw it all out of the window. Despite that fact, they do go well beyond what they say below in the document. Best to not get hung up on a debatable matter like the flow meter. You'd n

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? On 8/7/2016 12:38 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 08/07/2016 12:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I suspect Rossi is hoping to pin the blame on Penon and send him to jail, instead of going himself. Not s

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, Just because you think he is an expert is not proof. From his background he is an electronics engineer and you have not shown he knows anything about fluid flow and measurement, or stains. He was the only one (that I have seen) who has pontificated on the flow rate and other measurement

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On 08/07/2016 12:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I suspect Rossi is hoping to pin the blame on Penon and send him to jail, instead of going himself. Not sure I can agree with that. I've long since stopped believing people like Rossi (or Trump) have a coherent exit strategy -- their slogan see

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Your earlier defense was that Murray was an expert. Also, that I wasn't there. You weren't there either and are just relying on hear say. What other "experts" were on the case? Murray was the one who wrote Dr. Penon. On 8/7/2016 11:56 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@ver

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a.ashfield wrote: > In view of the above information on Mr. Murray, why do you think he is an > expert engineer . . . I know he is. But it does not take a rocket scientist super expert to compare the minimum flow rate shown on the face plate with the data in the log book. Even I had no trouble

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Jed, Don't you think it would be better to wait for proof? How do you know the flow meter (and all Dr. Penon's the other instruments) were not send back for calibration? In view of the stakes, it would seem to be a very prudent step to take. Where does IH state that there were not returned?

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a.ashfield wrote: It appears Murray's expertise is in electronics, although Jed claims he is > an expert on stains... > Oh give me a break. I never said anything like that. Do you think Murray is the only person assigned to this? If you had a billion dollars, and someone was threatening you with

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a.ashfield wrote: > Wasn't it claimed the meter was sent back to the manufacturer after the > test for a calibration check? > Rossi said that, but it is not true. However, I am sure the meter would test perfectly in a calibration check. There is nothing wrong with it. It gave the wrong answer b

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, In view of the above information on Mr. Murray, why do you think he is an expert engineer and Dr. Penon, who has rated nuclear power plants, is an idiot?

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

Just from curiosity, who has deleted Jed's messages here? where actually? I never delete a message except my initial sending peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Che wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > >> I might add: It is damned craven of you to erase my mes

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More on Mr. Murray who is still listed as Principal of Ultra Electronics – 3 Phoenix Linked In shows him as Executive VP of Ultra Electronics Feb 2014 - Apr 2015 Independent Consultant June 2016 - present Joseph Murray – Principal Mr. Murray has over eighteen years of experience in system archi

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It appears Murray's expertise is in electronics, although Jed claims he is an expert on stains... This is what SIffercoll writes: http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/is-joseph-murray-the-establishmentdodapco-operative-assigned-to-slow-lenr-down-and-trash-rossi/

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Engineer48 wrote this on Ecatworld. "Rossi did say the ERV had all his instruments pre calibrated. Also said the flow meter was calibrated at the expected flow rate and fluid temperature. Plus after the trial, the ERV had all the instruments re calibrated

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Jed, You are assuming IH are the innocent party before the facts are all in. Either side is capable of cheating. Remember IH claimed in their motion to dismiss that the second agreement was not valid because Ampernego had not signed it. On 8/6/2016 10:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield m

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Jed, In your replies, you missed the bit where I stated that contrary to your claim flow meters run at to low flow rates tend to give too low flow readings, not too high. Wasn't it claimed the meter was sent back to the manufacturer after the test for a calibration check? I doubt anyone spec