Let me see if I understand the situation. A guy who has no scientific
background makes a disc turn with no apparent source of power. The
demonstration is close to a toy and Mylow has no ability to provide an
explanation. The MIB try to shut him down. In contrast, competent
scientists who
Sure Steven, this could be faked all kinds of ways. This fact alone
makes the demonstration totally uninteresting and non-threatening to
the MIB. So even if the effect is real, there is no purpose for the
MIB to get involved because no one would believe the claims even if
they were true.
How did the writer know that the MIB did not knock? Are we to assume
that the neighbors observe the house so carefully that a random van
parking in front of the house for the few seconds it would take to get
to the house and enter would be observed by someone not also eating at
that time?
Thanks Steven, I missed the small detail that this message was from
the future. Nevertheless, when I also go into the future, the same
question comes up. Sorry to hear that reporter was also spirited away
by the MIB. Should I also be worried in 4 years when this date arrives?
Ed
On Jun 1,
As I said in my talk at Univ. of Missouri, skeptics have to believe
that everyone studying cold fusion makes mistakes that are only
visible to a skeptic. Shanahan proves this point very nicely. The
attitude comes from an excessive ego without any compensating
humility. The reaction says
revtec wrote:
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From: Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: OffTopic: Lust and the bible
The authors of this site aren't making the case why sex with strangers
is bad. They just say its
revtec wrote:
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From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: OffTopic: Lust and the bible
I admire your effort to calculate the size of the common flesh pool,
which essentially makes us
If it is true that a person is known by the friends he keeps, we in cold
fusion are in really great company on this website. There a person can
find information about most of the greatest, but rejected discoveries
ever made by man. These are discoveries so profound that most people
simply can
I can't tell if these discussions are humor masquerading as reality or
reality masquerading as humor. Trying to relate the spiritual world
(angels fallen or otherwise) and the physical world outside of our
little planet (aliens) is the height of humor. Understanding is not
improved by relating
Well John, I agree with you that discussions of theology can be a waste
of time because no amount of discussion will change a viewpoint.
Actually, such discussions are similar to those involving theory in
science. Nevertheless, such opinions are important to understand
because theological
Dear Stephen,
It is my belief, based on an extensive examination of the literature,
that the few neutrons emitted from cold fusion experiments are not the
result of a cold fusion process, but result from a process stimulated
by relatively high energy. People have suggested that such high
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
It is my belief, based on an extensive examination of the literature,
that the few neutrons emitted from cold fusion experiments are not the
result of a cold fusion process, but result from a process
stimulated by relatively high energy. People
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Jones Beene wrote:
Stephen,
1) 7Li -- 4He + 3H requiring -2.43 MeV (endotherm) of mass-energy
and then there is:
2) D + D -- 3H(1.01 MeV) + 1H(3.02 MeV)
This indicates that we _might_ expect 4MeV per tritium atom.
Not really - if the
Well Frank, things have not turned out so badly for everyone. A few of
us are still working in the field and doing nicely. In addition, things
have not turned out as Park predicted. The phenomenon is real and even
more amazing than Park could have imagined. He will go down in history
as a
I found this discussion incredibly shallow. Of course fear can be bad.
After all it gave us the Bush administration and the Iraq war. On the
other hand some things are worth fearing. The demand on oil is going up
which causes the price of energy to go up. This will have fearful
consequences
Stephen, I would like to suggest that the electrolytic cell will never
be used to make commercial heat because it operates at too low a
temperature and is not stable. Commercial application will, I predict,
involve gas loading. Consequently, such calculations have no usefulness.
Regards,
Ed
The problem with a wet cell is that material is continuously being
transferred from the anode to the cathode, and Li is slowly dissolving
in the cathode. This can not be prevented. These changes will
eventually destroy the NAE. In addition, the higher the temperature,
the faster these
The only reason to use the electrolytic approach at this time is because
this method creates the NAE on occasion. The other methods require the
NAE to be created on purpose, which a few people have done without
knowing how. However, once the NAE can be created in large amounts, what
would be
Robin, you ignore the main problem associated with this phenomena. The
NAE is unique and delicate. If the electrolyte is circulated, it will
pick up impurities that will accelerate destruction of the cathode. If
the gas is circulated, it also will pick up impurities that will react
with the
My belief is that He4 is produced when high concentrations of deuterium
are used, a reaction that is poisoned by H. On the other hand, normal
hydrogen produces transmutation reactions, not He4, and these reactions
have much smaller energy production for each nuclear event. Therefore,
it is
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
My belief is that He4 is produced when high concentrations of
deuterium are used, a reaction that is poisoned by H. On the other
hand, normal hydrogen produces transmutation reactions, not He4, and
these reactions have much smaller energy
Yes Chris, physics has gone nuts. It has been taken over by people who
believe the imagined world is more important than is the real world.
Actually, the more I see how the real world is degenerating, the
imagined world is looking better all the time.
Ed
Zell, Chris wrote:
Forgive this
Jed has suggested another letter to the Yale Newspaper and that several
people have expressed an interest in signing such letter. I believe we
have beat the reality of cold fusion to death and need to raise the
issue to a new level. Therefore, I have provided another letter and ask
if anyone
I have no objection to the letter being improved. However, I think a
letter signed by a collection of Ph.D.s and other scientists would be
more impressive than asking her attitude of a general letter. Without
something new, of course she would say no. The new is the obvious
general support
do not
believe that Prof. Kevles has addressed the important issues of this
subject in her response. By this letter, I would like to give her a
chance to do so.
Sincerely,
Dr. Edmund Storms
The Proper Role of Scholars in Examining Science.
Recent news articles about corruption in science
To all,
Finally, the erroneous ideas of Dr. Shanahan have been answered and the
paper is now in the literature.
Regards,
Ed
Original Message
Subject: Article Tracking: Comment on papers by K. Shanahan that propose
to explain anomalous heat generated by cold fusion
Date:
skip
Ed Storms was baffled by the brouhaha in the press. He said: Naturally
the detected amounts are wrong because the measurements are not
sensitive enough to see the expected ratio. What is the advantage to
anyone to mix these two phenomenon? As I said, the advantage is that
you crush the
Good job, Steve. Were the questions positive and did you get any grief?
Ed
Steve Krivit wrote:
http://newenergytimes.com/Audio/2006KrivitS-APS.mp3
http://newenergytimes.com/Library/200KrivitS-APS-FusionUpdate.pdf
Well Jones, I suggest you are starting with a false assumption.
Calorimetry is considered proof in every other field and in every other
application. Good calorimetry, i.e. that which can not be questioned by
a rational person, can be done and has been done in the LENR field.
Granted, a lot of
Hi Jones,
Actually, my approach is just the opposite of idealism. If we could
make a CF cell work well enough to make a practical demonstration, we
would not be having this discussion because the effect would be
demonstrated, whether we understood the effect or not. We can not make
this
I think the word Libertarian is not a good description. This idea is
about as conservative as they come. It uses the good old free enterprise
system to its full advantage. People would be free to decide just how
they could make the most money by using something besides gasoline. The
process is
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and distracting to
what is actually happening. War is a means to gain power over others.
War no longer makes a distinction between those who are fighting and
those who are not. Both are killed with equal intensity, although it is
still
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need to use our creativity to explore another way.
That's easy:
1) Make energy free.
Unfortunately, free energy would not solve the problem. Free energy
would mean the Middle Eastern countries would be even
if they win.
So, the question is, what can we do about the situation? This just
might be a question worth considering before it is too late.
Ed
P.
At 02:56 PM 8/11/2006 -0600, you wrote:
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need to use our
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and distracting
to what is actually happening. War is a means to gain power over
others. War no longer makes a distinction between those who are
fighting and those who are not.
It no longer
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
No one can win against a foe who is willing to die for their belief . . .
True for non-conventional wars. Many Japanese people were willing to die
for their country in 1945 but the U.S. won with conventional weapons and
techniques. (I think
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
I don't think this approach will work under present conditions. In
the process of denying funding, the people will get even more
improvised and desperate.
There are 2 billion people in the world living in desperate conditions
on the edge
I don't believe they hate our freedom and our good life as we are
encouraged to believe.
They say they do! Have you read bin Laden speeches? You can see what he
has to say in books such as, Imperial Hubris. He is the most popular
man in the Muslim world and millions of people have named
Jed, you are proposing we treat the Moslem countries exactly how we
treated Germany after WWI. The plan was make them pay for what they did
during WWI and make them too poor to ever do it again. As a result
Hitler and WWII resulted. On the other hand, after WWII we gave a great
deal of
Zell, Chris wrote:
When 9-11 happened, what depressed and horrified me the most was not the
actual losses of life and property, although they were bad enough.
What horrified me most was hearing that the Muslim men involved might
have attended college, gone to strip clubs and consumed
Philip Winestone wrote:
Tut Tut Ed... The problem is that you believe everyone thinks rationally
and quasi-legally like you do. Most don't.
Good point, Philip. Nevertheless, most people, except the insane, are
rational if the rules of the game are understood. For example, as you
note
Philip Winestone wrote:
Good points Ed.
As for the lack of parental control (and ultimately the lack of
self-control), I think I know what you're getting at; rules in some form
are very necessary, despite our dislike of people curtailing our
freedom (although the rules, in the case of
Jed Rothwell wrote:
These ICCF-11 papers are depressing. There are only a few experimental
papers. Most are reviews of old work, or papers about theory. As far as
I can tell, most of the theory is of the crackpot variety, and usually
about subjects unrelated to CF, such as POSSIBLE NUCLEAR
I totally agree with Jed, so let me tell you some of my experiences
while growing up, which many of you who are old enough will have
experienced as well. Where I lived in Pennsylvania 60 years ago, the
towns, which were small and separated from each other, were surrounded
by forests and still
Good suggestion. However the self-interest of the various religions get
in the way. If you can't convert, at least you can out-breed. As for
the present situation, nature and the tendency of mankind to support war
will eventually take care of the excess. No, the answer is a change in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Hi Ed,
...
If you were God, would you have made such a
self-destructive creature? If you had, would
you give support to individuals who had these
obvious imperfections even if they attempted
to worship you?
If I were God, I'd give my creations
Grimer wrote:
At 08:34 am 20/05/2005 -0600, Ed wrote:
Good suggestion. However the self-interest of the various religions get
in the way. If you can't convert, at least you can out-breed.
Absolutely - and the outbreeders will inherit the earth. 8-)
If God made us, he did a lousy job.
important to everyone.
Topics of 'God' have no relevance on Vortex because they are a personal
expression of our individual perspective and PREFERENCE.
True, but the word can also be used as a generic idea in order to make a
point.
Regards,
Ed
-john
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell
...
All the handwringing in the newspapers about the energy crisis is
misguided. The New York Times claim that energy independence is an
unattainable goal is ignorant nonsense. We could attain it in 20 years
using conventional technology.
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
Hi Ed,
...
Yes Steven, I agree this is what we need. However, how can this
approach be brought about?
If I knew the answer to that question!
As for me, it often feels as if all I personally can do is continue to paint
better visions of the future -
Jones Beene wrote:
Ah...Ultra high efficiency electrolysis - it is a subject that reappears
at least yearly on vortex. As it is involved in CF, there are probably
more water-splitters here per capita than anywhere else on the net.
Between all the water and hair-splitters, we could set up a
Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
When extra H+ or OH- are added to make the fluid conductive, the H2O
is no longer pure and at unit activity. In essence, energy has been
added that has partially split the water into H and O. As a result,
less energy is required as voltage to complete the process.
Dr. Shanahan has now published two papers (Thermochimica Acta 428 (2005)
207, Thermochim. Acta 382 (2002) 95) in which he argues that excess heat
claimed to be produced by cold fusion is actually caused by errors in
heat measurement. In particular, he proposes that unrecognized changes
in the
Well Thomas, I give hot fusion a 0 chance for success for the
following reasons:
1. 40 years and about 30 billion dollars have been required to get to
about 0.85 energy amplification for a few seconds. To be practical, an
energy amplification of at least 1000 for years will be needed. Better
thomas malloy wrote:
I wrote;
And Ed Storms responded;
Well Thomas, I give hot fusion a 0 chance for success for the
following reasons:
I was giving the designers the benefit of the doubt when I gave them a
5% chance of success. Perhaps they have come up with some new wrinkle
that you
I was thinking of the war of 1812, Frank. Of course, burning Washington
would not equal conquering, at least then.
Ed
Grimer wrote:
At 11:08 am 27/06/2005 -0600, Ed wrote:
Let's be realistic, Thomas. At one time the Japanese, the Germans, and
even the British wanted to conquer us.
I agree with you, Frank, some cultures are better than others, just as
some scientific theories and some people are better than others. Some
cultures are peaceful while others go to war. Some cultures pretend to
value the individual, while placing increasing emphasis on the state.
Some
Dear Dr. Spears,
I read your exchange with Jed and would like to add a few comments from
the perspective of a conventional scientist who not only has published
many conventional papers, but a fair number in the cold fusion field as
well.
I agree with you, the original F-P paper was poorly
thomas malloy wrote:
Ed Storms replied
I agree with you, Frank, some cultures are better than others, just as
some scientific theories and some people are better than others.
Amazing coming from you Ed.
Why is this amazing. Regardless of religious belief, the statement is
obvious.
I would like to suggest that all plasma experiments, including Naudin's
obtain their extra energy from cold fusion. In this case, the tungsten
cathode is the nuclear active environment into which p+ and d+ are
driven by the high voltages used. The unstable nature of the plasma,
either by
Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
I would like to suggest that all plasma experiments, including
Naudin's obtain their extra energy from cold fusion.
Then what would be the reaction? H+H --D + e ?
Perhaps, but I suggest the more likely reaction is p + d = He3. This
possibility can be tested by
In this case, he should add D2 to the H2.
Ed
Terry Blanton wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
This
possibility can be tested by adding a little D2O to the cell.
According to the referenced paper, the presence of water can kill the reaction due
to oxidation of the Wolfram. But, obviously one
as to suggest transmutations and why
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance spectrum produced from my materials comes
back as unidentifiable.
Perhaps certain types of Plasma actually CAN bend the currently
understood rules.
Chris
Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jones Beene wrote
This test does not prove that LENR is not occurring. LENR does not
produce detectable radiation outside of the cell. The only radiation of
any significance has only been detected within the cell. In addition,
such a counter would not detect radiation from tritium nor neutron
emission.
RC Macaulay wrote:
Grimer wrote..
It seems to me that the Crusader
Particle would be a good name for the materon/epo
since like crusaders of yore it carries a cross
(the plus sign) and a sword, the negative sign.
Not a politically correct suggestion, I know, but
in the week following the
The National Geographic in the August issue has a good article on the
energy problem. They even mention cold fusion - A few scientists have
claimed that cold fusion, which promises energy from a simple jar
instead of a high-tech crucible, might work. The verdict so far: No such
luck. The
Actually, the article was good and the statement about cold fusion was
accurate. Cold fusion is not yet a source of energy of any value. Cold
fusion is, however, a demonstrated phenomenon, which might have a value
in the future, a possibility the article leaves open.
Ed
Jed Rothwell wrote:
better work soon because the situation is getting serious.
Ed
[Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:28:12 -0700 , Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
First, the statement, A few scientists have claimed that cold fusion,
which promises energy from a simple jar instead of a high-tech crucible,
might work. The verdict
Mitchell Swartz wrote:
At 11:50 PM 7/23/2005, Ed Storms wrote:
I think people in the CF field know and appreciate that two separate
issues are important to the field. The first addresses whether the CF
effect is real or not, and the second addresses whether commercially
useful energy
, Jed
Rothwell and the rest of US - or fusion for power will continue to be
out of reach.
Chris
Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think people in the CF field know and appreciate that two separate
issues are important to the field. The first addresses whether the CF
effect
All very true, Merlyn. However, the main use of energy in the future
will be pumping water out of regions overwhelmed by the rising ocean and
removing salt from ocean water so that low lands can be flushed free
of salt. The air conditioning load will be handled by local solar
collectors and
I suggest we are seeing the the effects produced by a society and its
technical problems becoming too complex for the average person to
properly comprehend. The energy problem is one example of an issue that
is only properly understood by people having either technical training
or the
RC Macaulay wrote:
Ed Sorms wrote
In addition, if we believe events follow God's
will, we hold no responsibility for what will occur. As this attitude
takes hold, I predict that the US will drift further and further from
reality while becoming more religious in its approach to solving
Craig Haynie wrote:
I suggest we are seeing the the effects produced by a society and its
technical problems becoming too complex for the average person to
properly comprehend. The energy problem is one example of an issue
that is only properly understood by people having either
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
The complication I was addressing is based on the need to make a
policy decision based on many conflicting possibilities. The number of
these possibilities is increasing, as it always the case in every
country, from classical Greek times to Germany
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
Well, let me provide a few examples. Never before was a wrong
decision able to eliminate most life on earth. We now have at least
three ways to do this - by nuclear weapons, by bioweapons . . .
Ah, well, that is not an increase in complexity
Wesley Bruce wrote:
Jed and Ed interesting string. I happen to have a degree that includes
both the economics and environmental subjects your covering.
I've learned a few interesting things over the years.
* Very few technological and environmental disasters have occurred
that were
A very good example, Richard. The question is, how can we get our
leaders to go back to doing what they were elected to do, i.e. take care
of the nation, instead of doing everything to take care of their own
reelection by raising money and appearing Godly?
To go one step further, the issue
efforts to
reach some influential people in the church net works I'm in so they
don't take the wrong side of things when cold fusion 'pops out of the
box' and surprises millions.
Great idea. With each of us doing what we can, perhaps the sum of our
efforts might make a difference.
Ed
Edmund
Here is another example of the limited thinking ability of people in the
present administration. The fact is that we get most of our oil from
Mexico and South America. Even if everyone dove a Prius, the growing
use by China would still give countries from which terrorists come more
than
When these people claim to get 250 miles/gal using a modified Prius,
what they really mean is that they get 45 miles/gal plus 205 extra miles
because they charge the batteries from the electric grid. This is much
different from claiming that the Prius can be made more efficient just
by adding
Dear Tom,
I don't want to get into a pointless and fruitless debate. However, our
country is in serious trouble, not just because of the Iraq war. Unless
voters look beyond the propaganda used by the government and accept some
basic principles based on truth, we all are going to pay a very
at their heart a Justice and mercy unique to our western and/, yes like
it or not/,our Christian history.
Edmund Storms wrote:
I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If
this is true, I suggest you read what is written at the following
link. The question raised by a mother who
as a slave.
Blessed is the nation who's princes are the son's of noblemen. I have
seen noblemen walking and serfs riding horses.
Richard
- Original Message - From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: OFF topic
right and things
will be less lethal but I can't see how a poorly planned pull out would
help. Edmund Storms wrote:
I agree, a poorly planned pullout would not be good. The same argument
was applied to the Vietnam situation. However, we do not have control
of the situation. We have not been
with/by elections.
Ed (not as cynical but just as disgusted)
-john (the cynic)
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:19 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: OFF topic but important
Dear Tom,
I don't want to get
The only way to answer this question is to know how many nuclear events
are occurring per second. In hot fusion, this rate can be measured by
measuring the neutron production rate. This quaNTITY is then compared
it to the energy being produced. This comparison is not possible during
cold
An interesting point. This same point can be made about cyanide. An
average person weighs about 80,000 gm. It takes about 50 mg of NaCN to
kill an average person, which is only 0.0022 inches on the football
field. Obviously, a person can not be harmed by such a small distance.
No wonder the
Not everyone who wants to help his fellow man is liberal nor is
everyone conservative who wants people to take care of themselves. A
larger number are simply practical. We acknowledge that a fraction of
the population does not have the talents and intelligence to become
completely self
Michael Foster wrote:
Is cold fusion being actively suppressed? Although I'm not
a fan of conspiracy theories, I believe it is. Is it the big oil
companies? Nah, they couldn't possibly be more bored with
the idea. Besides, any company that size usually moves
and makes decisions with the
Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
Personally, I don't think CF is being suppressed. This would require
an intent and effort to accomplish. In contrast, I think it is simply
ignored because most people think it is not real.
Lets dispense with the term CF for a moment ...
you would agree,
Once again I have no idea what Swartz is talking about. If CF is at the
engineering stage, I know of no evidence this is true. Swartz needs to
give the basis for this claim. In addition, I do not believe anything I
have said on Vortex can be used by the Patent office to reject a claim.
I
All very true, Mike. However, we have two kinds of waste, the spent
rods that are stored whole and the soup that is rotting the tanks at
Hanford. The spent rods can stay as they are or can be buried whole.
The soup in the tanks is another matter. Sooner or later, the
radioactive soup will
Mitchell Swartz wrote:
At 11:56 PM 9/13/2005, Ed Storms inaccurately pontificates:
Michael Foster wrote:
Is Ed Storms actually a Super Double Secret Dysinformation
Agent who has penetrated the white knights of Vortex-L?
...
Storms: This is not true, a proper person can buy heavy-water.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ed wrote:
How do you get some charged moiety over the 10MeV or so barrier to even
get
near the nuclear forces (approx fm scale) and get substantial yield?
Let's
say you have some yield for hot fusion then this would get multiplied by
two
very small factors: a
I hope you notice that this issue is very one sided. I have no problem
with Swartz other than he can not carry on what I consider to be a
useful discussion of either his work or of the issue he considers to be
censorship. His main problem with me has been my disagreement with his
to point this out to Jed rather than wasting our time here.
2. The issue #1 appears to have arisen because Edmund Storms apparently
plagiarized some of our work demonstrating
very low level excess heat on contaminated platinum cathodes (he learned
this generation of materials produced very low level
Of course CF is dangerous. Any source of energy is dangerous in the
wrong hands. In this case, the danger is also economic. Any country
that has such a cheap and easily used source of concentrated energy can
bankrupt any country that relies on conventional sources. Even though
the US starts
Steve, the people who analyze the hybrids miss one important point. The
Prius is a great car to drive even if it got only 25 mpg. It is
comfortable, it handles well, and it has a well designed interior. In
addition, it has a good record of reliability and its resale value is
high. It goes
OrionWorks wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Hi Ed,
Steve, the people who analyze the hybrids miss one important
point. The Prius is a great car to drive even if it got only
25 mpg. It is comfortable, it handles well, and it has a well
designed interior. In addition, it has a good record
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