Re: [WSG] CSS Liquid Design Header

On 2/22/06 5:04 AM, "Geoff Deering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can any one point me to a good example of how to do a css header with a > background image 100% wide, while having two distinct images on the far > left and right and they behave in a liquid manner as the browser window > is resiz

Re: [WSG] CSS Liquid Design Header

On Feb 22, 2006, at 4:50 AM, Geoff Deering wrote: I wish it was that simple. I need something like How's this: Note: "Float" in your setup worked against the nature order of how computers read code, top down - left to right. *{ padding:0; m

Re: [WSG] CSS Liquid Design Header

russ - maxdesign wrote: Do you mean like this? http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid-background/ Russ I wish it was that simple. I need something like #headerbanner { color: ; background: #1C3959 url(/images/banner.jpg) repeat-x top; display: block; height: 145px;

Re: [WSG] CSS Liquid Design Header

Do you mean like this? http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid-background/ Russ > Hi, > > Can any one point me to a good example of how to do a css header with a > background image 100% wide, while having two distinct images on the far > left and right and they behave in a liquid manner

[WSG] CSS Liquid Design Header

Hi, Can any one point me to a good example of how to do a css header with a background image 100% wide, while having two distinct images on the far left and right and they behave in a liquid manner as the browser window is resized, so that both images maintain being far left and far right. R

Re: [WSG] [CSS Question] Single Vs Multiple.

On 2/18/06, Andrew Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Christian, > > Thank you for your help. Hey, since you happen to be looking for CSS links, here's two you might not have found: http://www.cssliquid.com http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/02/01/pure-css-image-rollover/ Enjoy.

RE: [WSG] [CSS Question] Single Vs Multiple.

Thanks Christian, Thank you for your help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: February 18, 2006 8:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] [CSS Question] Single Vs Multiple. On 2/18/06, Andrew

Re: [WSG] [CSS Question] Single Vs Multiple.

On 2/18/06, Andrew Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello WSG, > > I first have something to share and as well I have a question. > > Firstly I have been franticly book marking and today my professor found the > ultimate bookmark. Some may have already come across it but thought I'd show > just i

[WSG] [CSS Question] Single Vs Multiple.

Hello WSG, I first have something to share and as well I have a question. Firstly I have been franticly book marking and today my professor found the ultimate bookmark. Some may have already come across it but thought I'd show just in case. Go here and say WOW. http://www.alvit.de/handbook/ I

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Thanks very much for the help.On 2/14/06, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Kevin Ross"> Just wondering, Al... is the _javascript_ public domain ?The Equal Height column script is and you can read more about it here: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/index.htmAlso fe

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

From: "Kevin Ross" Just wondering, Al... is the Javascript public domain ? The Equal Height column script is and you can read more about it here: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/index.htm Also feel free to use and abuse the little min-width expressions in the Conditio

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Just wondering, Al... is the _javascript_ public domain ?Thx,KROn 2/14/06, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: "Paul Dwyer" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Wierd...>> killed half my own post with a bracket  :)>> The rest should read "validates once it is removed".much appreciated :-)

RE: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Hi Al, nice layout, future proof and all, The only bummer is that it sets off my i.e content blocker. -looked at the javascript and my vision got blurry. Is there anything to look out for when playing with the column widths? -thanks kvnmcwebn ***

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

From: "Paul Dwyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wierd... killed half my own post with a bracket :) The rest should read "validates once it is removed". much appreciated :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webs

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Wierd... killed half my own post with a bracket :) The rest should read "validates once it is removed". —pd—

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Little typo just before the there Al: an extra [ lang="en" ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ***

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

thx for the link... I've had trouble before with three-column layouts; Will study the code -- Sincerely, Derek E. Land, Creative Director email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 1-585-880-6513 the ideastreet media www.theideastreet.com 1-585-728-2748 *

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Christian Montoya wrote: Yes, but if you don't use HTML 4.01 Strict, you will get quirks mode from some browsers. I think that's what Ric was wondering. Eh, not on that page - but if it's important, here you go: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent-strict.htm --

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

On 2/13/06, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "Ric Raftis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Al Sparber wrote: > > > >> We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. > >> There'll be more. > >> > >> http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm > >> > >> >

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

From: "Ric Raftis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Al Sparber wrote: We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. There'll be more. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm OK, I'll be the silly bugger who asks. Why is the layout using a HTML 4.01 Transiti

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

Al Sparber wrote: We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. There'll be more. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm OK, I'll be the silly bugger who asks. Why is the layout using a HTML 4.01 Transitional DTD? Just curious. Regards, Ric *

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

thx for the link... I've had trouble before with three-column layouts; Will study the code -- Sincerely, Derek E. Land, Creative Director email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 1-585-880-6513 the ideastreet media www.theideastreet.com 1-585-728-2748 *

[WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. There'll be more. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm -- Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com "Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hou

Re: [WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

Thanks Bert! that solved my problem. Bert Doorn escribió: G'day The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html ... Why there's a margin with any browser excepts IE6? Because the default alignment for images in most of the other bro

Re: [WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

G'day The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html ... Why there's a margin with any browser excepts IE6? Because the default alignment for images in most of the other browsers is "baseline". Add the following to your CSS and see if it fixes the problem:

[WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

Hello! I've an extrange problem, you can see it here: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/problem.gif The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html Page code source: ---

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

Pete, Joshua wrote >> http://webpatterns.org/ *checks it out* ok, so the term "patterns" is potentially a too far advanced term for what i'm thinking of. all that microformat and machine readable data stuff is certainly interesting (Allsopp - i can hear you screaming about it from here ;-) bu

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

Pete, You've seen this, right? http://snippetz.net/ Cheers, Wendy Peter Ottery wrote: I *think* what i'm talking about it different. i'm just thinking more along the lines of a library of cut'n'paste chunks of re-usable code.. ** The

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

Joshua also wrote: > That web patterns thing people were bouncing around in here a month or > so back? I've lost the address... if someone else doesn't post it, > it's in the archives somewhere... oops. yeah ok: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg24333.html it was a good th

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

Joshua wrote >> http://webpatterns.org/ *checks it out* ok, so the term "patterns" is potentially a too far advanced term for what i'm thinking of. all that microformat and machine readable data stuff is certainly interesting (Allsopp - i can hear you screaming about it from here ;-) but... I *

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

That web patterns thing people were bouncing around in here a month or so back? I've lost the address... if someone else doesn't post it, it's in the archives somewhere... probably something really obvious like "webpatterns.org"... Ah, yes, that's it. http://webpatterns.org/ On 2/2/06, Peter Ott

[WSG] css/html snippets

on the topic of css patterns and re-usable chunks of code, there's plenty of whole css page layout resources that you can use as a starting point for your own stuff right, like the 'ol classics http://glish.com/css/ or http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ what about the insides of those layouts?

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

From: "tee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings, I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css background color to graphic (unless I am mistake

[WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

Greetings, I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css background color to graphic (unl

Re: [WSG] CSS background problems in IE6

Chris Taylor wrote: > Hi, > > I've very nearly finished the new design of my site, available at > http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/ (css at > http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/styles/chocolate_and_coffee/s > creen.css), however I have a problem in IE6/Win. The header background

[WSG] CSS background problems in IE6

Hi, I've very nearly finished the new design of my site, available at http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/ (css at http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/styles/chocolate_and_coffee/s creen.css), however I have a problem in IE6/Win. The header background (the bit with the sunflower) is

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

On 16 Jan 2006, at 12:15, Svip wrote: I thought that per standard you inserted the favicon.ico file in the parent directory to the site, and thus browsers would ask for it, and get it as they requested! The HTML is just if you specific pages on a site that needs their own favicons! As far as I

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

I thought that per standard you inserted the favicon.ico file in the parent directory to the site, and thus browsers would ask for it, and get it as they requested! The HTML is just if you specific pages on a site that needs their own favicons! signed Svip - sviip.dk On 16/01/06, Alvaro Mouriño <

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

Thanks! =) AlvAro - 2006/1/16, Joshua Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > favicon.ico in your website root. It's not actually anything to do > with CSS... though you CAN set it in your element with rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" /> > > On 1/16/06, Alvaro Mouriño <[EMAIL PR

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

Alvaro Mouriño wrote: Hi List, I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with CSS (the one next to the title) Either way, how do I do it? Not with CSS, this goes in your HTML. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ *

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

favicon.ico in your website root. It's not actually anything to do with CSS... though you CAN set it in your element with On 1/16/06, Alvaro Mouriño <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, > I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with > CSS (the one next to the title) >

[WSG] CSS Icon

Hi List, I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with CSS (the one next to the title) Either way, how do I do it? Thanks, AlvAro ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.or

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

Al Sparber wrote: > Sometimes it can be good to hide the sub-menus. It depends on how the > site is structured and one's goals. Actually, with these *big* menus (2/3 levels deep), I think it's a good idea to hide everything below the top level items from assistive devices. Thierry | www.TJKDesign

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

From: "Thierry Koblentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I had a look at Suckerfish Dropdowns but it seems to go only one level deep, I need several levels de

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: > I had a look at Suckerfish Dropdowns but it seems to go only one > level deep, I need several levels deep. Because of usability/accessibility issues it creates, I would not go with a CSS solution if more than one level deep is needed. Also, I would not use "displa

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I am looking for some ideas on how to create a JavaScript/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one! Has anyone got some ideas code samples etc.? Any help would be much appreciated. try the "son of suckerfish". h

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

> Seamless Merchant integration > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt > > Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2006 5:02 PM > > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > > Subje

RE: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

! * Seamless Merchant integration > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2006 5:02 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript fly

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

Hi Taco,If you will do everything in _javascript_, then your menu will lost its semantic. Take a look how it is done on http://www.optuszoo.com.auThere is _javascript_ for delay, CSS for drop-downs and for semantic. best regards,Dmitry

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I am looking for some ideas on how to create a JavaScript/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one! ... var menu = new Object(); menu[ "about_bdsrecruit" ] = new Object(); Yikes! Don't generate a menu like that, i

RE: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur - Pacific FoxSent: Wednesday, 11 January 2006 3:34 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] CSS or _javascript_ flyout menu I am looking for some ideas on how to create a _javascript_/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that

[WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

I am looking for some ideas on how to create a _javascript_/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one!   I need to custom write it because it needs to be integrated with a CMS.I started working on the structure (see below) I'd like to generate the

Re: [WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view

Original Message From: Joshua Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re:[WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view Date: 1/7/2006 17:58 list-style:none; on the UL should work well... failing that, try playing with padding: on the list.

Re: [WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view

list-style:none; on the UL should work well... failing that, try playing with padding: on the list. On 1/8/06, Artemis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My partner and I have a tagboard on our site and it looks greate in FF, > but when you view in IE there are round bullets. Can someone help me get > r

[WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view

My partner and I have a tagboard on our site and it looks greate in FF, but when you view in IE there are round bullets. Can someone help me get rid of the bullets? My partner did email the creator of the tagboard, but never heard back. Unfortunately, I cannot offer the link because it sits be

Re: [WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

Stephanie Sullivan has a good tutorial on how to do what Zachary suggested at: (Especially useful if you use Dreamweaver but the principles and basic process applies regardless.) Project VII also has their Uberlink Menu tutorial which takes a sligh

Re: [WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

Yeah! The best way to do this is to assign an ID tag to the body. == Example = Page1:     Page2:     CSS: body#page1 a.link_Page1{font-weight:bold;} body#page2 a.link_Page2{font-weight:bold;} You can see a live example of this on my website at http://www.hopk

[WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

 hi following the recent discussion of css image rollovers for a menu/nav list (see http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/archive.cfm?uid=6BB21CD6-F78A-DE8B-495CD895C0B6A6AB) i wonder if anyone has a suggestion for how one could add "highlight current page" functionality to this nav? my exam

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

Hello Tee, You wrote: > > Thanks all for the pointers, I am trying the sliding doors method > now. For other sites, I may have to use javascript preloader as > going back to recreate images for menus can be quite a hassle. > If that's the case, there's no need to use JS. Long ago, I had this proble

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Martin Heiden wrote: This one will work if the a covers 100% of the li's area, otherwise the li's background could shine through. But for this menu it's real quick and simple fix. Thanks Martin, I'll keep this in mind when fixing other sites. It looks like I

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

>This one will work if the a covers 100% of the li's area, otherwise >the li's background could shine through. But for this menu it's real >quick and simple fix. Sorry, I neglected to mention that, I was thinking it, just not typing it. That what you get when you come into the office to find your

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

l Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 27 December 2005 12:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker On Dec 27, 2005, at 3:03 AM, Web Man Walking wrote: > Hi > > Why not make the background image of the the s

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

tee, on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 at 13:03 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > Hi mysterious "E". Interesting approach! It seems to work and a real > quick fix. > I have tested on PC/Mac: Safari, FF, Netscape, Mozilla, iE and Opera. > Can you guys confirm? > http://gb.lotusseeds.com/menutest_2.ht

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

On Dec 27, 2005, at 3:03 AM, Web Man Walking wrote: Hi Why not make the background image of the the same as the hover. That way it preloads itself? E. Hi mysterious "E". Interesting approach! It seems to work and a real quick fix. I have tested on PC/Mac: Safari, FF, Netscape, Mozil

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

Thanks all for the pointers, I am trying the sliding doors method now. For other sites, I may have to use javascript preloader as going back to recreate images for menus can be quite a hassle. tee On Dec 27, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: I would do a preload images on the body tag fo

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

Hi Why not make the background image of the the same as the hover. That way it preloads itself? E. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 27 December 2005 09:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker Hi

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

Hello IMHO i think Bob has a good idea. I usually use a method called Farner image replacement,which works great in such cases. I`ve put an example below. You need two graphics, one for the normal state ( home.png ) and one for the hover state ( home-red.png). #bannerlogoban {

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

G'day I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. Two options I can think of: 1. Pre-load the "hover" images (using javascript) 2. Use a single background image with both states for each button and shift the background-position on hover. I prefer

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

tee, you need a preloader (javascript) or better use css rollovers: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ and the flicker will disappear. regards Martin ** The dis

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

I would do a preload images on the body tag for the over state images since as it is they seem to load for the first time when you do a mouse over. bob Hi everyone, happy after holiday, I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. The problem onl

[WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

Hi everyone, happy after holiday, I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. The problem only happens when I have different images for link and hover, and a background image for the #menu. The problem has been there for a long time with other sites,

Re: [WSG] css print help

Hi Terrence, I'm not trying to force a user to print in Landscape (you need ScriptX ActiveX to do that on IE 6).. The regular view and then print view are different and I'm trying to get them to be the same. Trying to make them look the same when you print.. Thanks! On 12/21/05, Terrence Wood <[E

Re: [WSG] css print help

Greg Morphis said: > Looks great until you try to print in landscape. Can someone please > help me with adjusting the css so that the print preview looks the > same as it does in the browser. Interesting problem. I'm not sure you can access the print settings dialog from the browser, if that's wh

[WSG] css print help

http://home.alltel.net/omen/schedule.htm Looks great until you try to print in landscape. Can someone please help me with adjusting the css so that the print preview looks the same as it does in the browser. We're on a IE standard intranet.. sucks I know.. but I appreciate your help in advance. Th

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven? ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Reasons for closing: The "CSS driven" thread has gone on far too long and has been dangerously close to flame-wars on several occasions. Time to move on please. Please do not reply to this post or continue this thread. If you have a comment or an issue with the closing of thi

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Thomas Livingston wrote: The whole basis to my point is that in our little virtual situation, it's too late. The client saw the design. the client wants the design he saw. If you could only do it with a table, you'd say no and/or walk. Just or the record, / I / wouldn't walk; I'd do what

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Terrence, Obviously you haven't found this thread helpful, but others have. Oddly enough I have, though the (seems to be) answer came in "off list". If after doing some testing, the solution does indeed work as I need it to, I will post it for those who remember what the original question

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:04 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote: Do you think you are being helpful? Believe me, you're not. I think I made it pretty clear that I was having a general rant, not talking directly to you Bob. I was just using your situation as a jumping off point. On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:06 AM, Ter

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Christian, Do these table layouts go in your portfolio? Since you asked. I have my very first site in my portfolio and it is a nested table/spacer gif monster. But except for you guys, I doubt if anyone has ever done a "view source" on the site. Do these clients recommend you to others

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

> Why do you assume I didn't? Its this type of flawed assumptions that > has caused this thread to wander all over the landscape without > arriving at a solution to the problem at hand. And over the last few months, the list has devolved into unending threads that serve nothing wrt web standards.

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Terrence. Plus I don't want to get into the quirks of clients in this thread, I'd like to concentrate on finding a solution to a real problem that is as reliable (browser-wise) and as easy to implement as it is with a table, Sure... clients who needs them? But see the real problem is clie

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Terrence said: > We're not talking about a specific look (like techno, goth, post-postmodern, > deconstructed), rather a design pattern: a head/3 column/foot table layout > with multicolored columns Yes, I think I get that, I just disagree with the implication that table based designs are such

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Christian Montoya: > What we call a 1998 design is 2 or 3 columns, equal height, every > column a different color. The key is the columns being different > colors. It was very typical in 1998, and looks retro now. Many > of us are just tired of seeing it. Not sure of your point, though the imp

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 12/16/05, Duckworth, Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The idea that table based designs look like something from 1998 is > ridiculous. You are generalizing what was a very specific comment. What we call a 1998 design is 2 or 3 columns, equal height, every column a different color. The key is

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Nigel said: > The idea that table based designs look like something from 1998 is > ridiculous. Yes, it is, but fortunately no-one here made that claim. It's a figurative term, not literal. We're not talking about a specific look (like techno, goth, post-postmodern, deconstructed), rather a design

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

The idea that table based designs look like something from 1998 is ridiculous. I've seen a lot excellent visual design which is implemented in table form (some well others not so well). On the other hand some of what passes for "design" on this list may be great in terms of standards and accessibil

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

Thomas Livingston said: > > On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: >> No, I don't want you to tell them the technical reason's of why one design is better than another. > > Yes, you do. Did you not read the rest of the paragraph above Tom? I thought it was quite clear, but I'll put it a

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 12/16/05, Thomas Livingston wrote: >If I have to use a table now, it it _not_ going to be a horrible retro >nested mess. It's to achieve something I can't achieve otherwise. Hi Tom - I don't mean this as a sarcastic question or anything. I fully admit I may have missed this if it was already d

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: My thinking is that if I ever had to do one of these sites, I would not put it in my portfolio. Oops. My mistake. I accidentally wandered in to the elitist "teachers' lounge". I'll just get back out into the hall where I belong. Do th

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 12/16/05, Thomas Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: > > > My apologies, I never realised the visual design was non-negotiable. > > If you have the complete and total luxury of doing whatever the heck > you want no matter what your clients

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On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: No, I don't want you to tell them the technical reason's of why one design is better than another. Yes, you do. The whole basis to my point is that in our little virtual situation, it's too late. The client saw the design. the client wants

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:21 AM, Thomas Livingston wrote: If you have the complete and total luxury of doing whatever the heck you want no matter what your clients want or ask for, then you are a lucky man indeed. I work with constraints in a competitive environment just like everyone else does.

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 17 Dec 2005, at 5:15 AM, Thomas Livingston wrote: A clients wants a design. And you want developers, etc. to tell clients 'no, you shouldn't do that because the only way to achieve that design is to use tables, and tables are "bad" so how about you go with a similar design but without a, b,

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: My apologies, I never realised the visual design was non-negotiable. If you have the complete and total luxury of doing whatever the heck you want no matter what your clients want or ask for, then you are a lucky man indeed. - Tom Li

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On 15 Dec 2005, at 9:07 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote: For the record: I am past 1998 in my designs, but as I mentioned earlier, I don't do designs from 1998 because I want to, I have some clients who want that look. Like I said, it was not personal, and I didn't see you comment earlier - but still

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On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: How can you be stuck without a choice? Would you not at least alert them (clients or peers) to the fact that a better solution may exist? All good points sir. What I took from your original post was this (maybe I was just off base altoge

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No can do Bob. I showed you the solution. End of story: solution, choices made, move on :) Yes Sir. Thank you Sir. I will just fold my table and slink away. It's been a honor being in your illustrious presence. I will return when I feel more worthy . bob *

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Thomas Livingston said: > On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: >> encouraging your clients to look to other >> design solutions that don't reply on the use of tables for layout > > This is just completely unrealistic. What It's unrealistic to advise your clients? Not in my world,

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: encouraging your clients to look to other design solutions that don't reply on the use of tables for layout This is just completely unrealistic. First, don't submit a design that you can't build. Otherwise, if you are not the designer, and

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