Hello Bonnie,
Thanks for the reply.
It just seemed pretty convoluted; and, at best, nebulous.
To be honest I have never heard anyone complain about soundings, but I
may miss a lot. Compared to some best-not-be-mentioned systems, ALE
operations have not shown up on my qrm map.
73,
Bill N9DSJ
Hello Bill,
It is theoritically possible.
But ARQ FAE means two things:
* a modulation: it is mainly issued from ALE (DBM),
* an ARQ protocol: it is matched to this ALE DBM modulation and is issued from
a mix between Pax/Pax2 protocol and ALE DBM. I took the idea of ARQ memory
(which is
Look at it this way - NO transmissions without listening first, either ALE
soundings, beacons, or mailboxes of any kind, are permissible on the
*shared* HF amateur bands, except in designated beacon areas or the
automatic subbands ( where it is presumed by the FCC to occur, since
unattended
Received by K3UK, 14076.
Date/Time Band Call GridSig dB
2008-01-13 13:31:00 20M DL2RMM -9
2008-01-13 13:30:00 20M ON6NL -14
2008-01-13 13:23:00 20M GW8ASA IO81-17
2008-01-13 13:22:00 20M ON6NL JO21
Yes, I received a private email from the individual that is preparing
the IED's. With reference to ALE soundings, he cites ..
) 1 illegal 1-way transmissions;
2) illegal automatic beaconing below 28.200 MHz, and; 3) illegal automatic
control of a digital station.
as issues he asked the
This is getting ridiculous! It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say
This is AA5J Is the frequency in use?
expeditionradio wrote:
This is simply childish backlash directed at me personally because I
opposed the Digital Stone Age Petition. It really has nothing at all
to do with HFLINK or ALE. It will go away.
Bonnie KQ6XA
Actually, what is childish is the never-ending assertion by Winlink
Dear APRS / Amateur Radio group,
Acentient Software is very pleased to announce the arrival of
Adaptive Home Logic v2.0, which can be remotely accessed via APRS.
Adaptive Home Logic is an advanced, highly flexible, easy to use
home automation / remote access application that can seamlessly
Hi All
Where are the advanced features within WSJT (JT65A) where you can
decode several
signals at once, I have looked but could not find.
This feature would be very useful If I could find it !!.
Andy
G8RZA
Exactly... they *just* don't get it frown
Bill KA8VIT
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:22:37 -0500
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Trouble at mill RTTY contesters war with HFlink
Look at it this way - NO transmissions without
A. APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) uses a Terminal Node
Controller (a type of radio modem) to transmit data over a packet
radio network. Its primary function permits radio amateurs to
automatically report their position, which is then displayed on a
computerised map. It can however,
Andy wrote:
Yes, I received a private email from the individual that is preparing
the IED's. With reference to ALE soundings, he cites ..
) 1 illegal 1-way transmissions;
2) illegal automatic beaconing below 28.200 MHz, and; 3) illegal automatic
control of a digital station.
I must have missed something but what are IED's? The only acronym that I
have heard are improvised explosive device and clearly that would be
an odd reference in this case.
Even though there are those who strongly oppose clarity on what really
is appropriate and inappropriate behavior with
Skip wrote:
except in designated beacon areas or the
automatic subbands ( where it is presumed by the FCC to occur, since
unattended stations do not, and cannot, listen first for any other
activity
within range of the unattended station).
All the ALE data activity is in the automatic
Hi Andy,
That's just nonsense.
/s/ Steve, N2CKH
At 09:03 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
Yes, I received a private email from the individual that is preparing
the IED's. With reference to ALE soundings, he cites ..
) 1 illegal 1-way transmissions;
2) illegal automatic beaconing below 28.200
All the ALE data activity is in the automatic subbands unless the
stations manually QSY off frequency under operator control.
So what's the concern?
As long as it always stays in the automatic subbands, there should be no
concern. In fact, ALE is a valuable resource, IMHO.
Skip KH6TY
Yep, just what we need, more amateur to non-amateur messaging taking
place on the ham bands.
Jim
WA0LYK
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A. APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) uses a Terminal Node
Controller (a type of radio modem) to
Skip KH6TY wrote:
Look at it this way - NO transmissions without listening first,
either ALE soundings, beacons, or mailboxes of any kind,
are permissible on the *shared* HF amateur bands, except
in designated beacon areas or the automatic subbands
( where it is presumed by the FCC to
At 09:57 AM 1/13/2008, Rick wrote:
My preference would have been for those who want to operate these kinds
of modes to request an interpretation and if the finding was not to
their satisfaction, to petition the FCC for a rule change. They did not
do this and now some of us have had to take action
Bill N9DSJ wrote:
Hello Bonnie,
Thanks for the reply.
It just seemed pretty convoluted; and, at best, nebulous.
To be honest I have never heard anyone complain about
soundings, but I may miss a lot. Compared to some
best-not-be-mentioned systems, ALE operations have not
shown up on my
This brings to mind the converse: it would be interesting if possible to
have multiple TX going in the same passband on JT65. Because of the
synchronized time frame start time, you could hold several simultaneous
odd- or even-minute qsos, somethich which is not possible to do on other
I certainly agree. Now, given the FCC's position, why do we amateurs need all
the activist lawyers and lawyer-wannabes from our ranks sending
queries to the FCC concerning
practices by other control operators? We are all responsible for our
own operations. Right?
Chuck AA5J
At 10:14 AM
At 10:14 AM 1/13/2008, kh6ty wrote:
PropNet station, and that station *consistently*, and repetitively,
interferes with activity on that frequency, the presumption has to be that
the PropNet operator is either willfully transmitting on top of existing
activity, or lying about being at the control
All I can say is that your comment is extremely odd, Chuck, and are not
welcome by thinking hams and reasonable people. Some one has to take
action or nothing will change and we will continue to have absurd
arguments over each person's individual interpretation. Not a good
situation.
When you
Andy K3UK wrote:
So, what about Propnet ?
Would this not also apply to their beacons?
Hi Andy,
Beacons essentially are transmitters without receivers.
Here's a good test to tell if a station is not beacon:
Call the station, if it responds, it isn't a beacon.
If you can QSO with the
Thanks Bonnie. Can you remind us what what the automatic sub-bands
are, which frequencies ?
On Jan 13, 2008 2:28 PM, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andy K3UK wrote:
So, what about Propnet ?
Would this not also apply to their beacons?
Hi Andy,
Beacons essentially are
OK, this reply has made up my mind. I, too, subscribed to this list
thinking I would be reading about digital radio. I have tried to weed
through the chaffe to get to the posts with some real substance. It
seems that there are a few posters on this list who just argue any point
that comes up,
You obviously do not understand reproprocity principle and how it applies to
radio, Chuck, and in most cases the PropNet station is running less power
than others, or what is the point of using it to determining propagation?
Beacon stations also tend to run lower power for the same reason, so
Andy K3UK wrote:
Thanks Bonnie. Can you remind us what what the automatic
sub-bands are, which frequencies ?
Hi Andy,
The automatic sub-bands are slightly different in
various countries and IARU regional bandplans of the world.
A map of worldwide bandplans including automatic sub-bands
A couple of answers. One, is that as a service we are self-policing.
I think if you read the original document establishing this, it
didn't mean that each individual polices himself but rather that the
service as a whole polices itself routing out operations that don't
follow the rules. Part of
Andy,
Bonnie's information is out of date. The IARU Region 2 bandplans, effective
January 1, 2008, recommend additional restricitions on automatic operations
where the bandwidth is under 500 Hz, and no automatic operations on 30m.
ARRL signed onto the IARU bandplans as the Region 2
Part 97.3(a)(9) Beacon. An amateur station transmitting communications
for the purposes of observation of propagation and reception or other
related experimental activities.
Tell me where the mention of receiver or transceiver is in this
rule? It simply doesn't matter what the DESIGN of the
Yes. Thank you for your very welcome explanation. I guess someone
has to stir the pot, but I was having fun in my ignorance and bliss.
I don't really want anyone to clarify that I can not do something
that I have been doing, just because someone else did not understand
the rules. The people
At 01:54 PM 1/13/2008, kh6ty wrote:
You obviously do not understand reproprocity principle and how it applies to
radio, Chuck, and in most cases the PropNet station is running less power
than others, or what is the point of using it to determining propagation?
Beacon stations also tend to run
At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
Twice in the last seven days
I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor Winlink station firing up on top
of my QSO. Fortunately, both times I turned the power way up (from
about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we were able to work through it.
Roger - how do you know
At 08:05 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
This is getting ridiculous! It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say
This is AA5J Is the frequency in use?
In what mode?
Chuck,
Enough of your nonsense! Those of us who want integrity in the amateur
bands are doing our best. You clearly have guilt in what you are doing
and you fear that it will be an illegal activity. Your activities may be
interpreted as perfectly legal ... but they may not. You will just have
Hello Leigh,
Yes this happens, but more commonly using MS -- check out random
hours(s) sometime.
73,
Bill N9DSJ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This brings to mind the converse: it would be interesting if
possible to
have multiple TX going
Jim,
At 03:28 PM 1/13/2008, jgorman01 wrote:
A couple of answers. One, is that as a service we are self-policing.
I think if you read the original document establishing this, it
didn't mean that each individual polices himself but rather that the
service as a whole polices itself routing out
John Becker, WØJAB wrote:
At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
Twice in the last seven days I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor
Winlink station firing up on top of my QSO. Fortunately, both times
I turned the power way up (from about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we
were able to work
Sorry about the bandwidth.
Stop the madness! how?
Programmers love changing programs.
As always flames to me, respectful and clean posts to the reflector.
73 ES CUL
==
Mr. John R. Klim II
N3KHK
ARRL LM-0008416263, AMSAT LM-2187, QRPARCI
Comments in line
Your problem, John, is that you are unable to stick to an argument of
the issues. Instead, everything becomes personal with you as evidenced
by the above ad hominem remarks. Disappointing.
Wrong again Roger.
I do pactor as well as RTTY and Amtor.
I can copy each of them
Aw, pshaw. I am sorry that I hurt your delicate sensitivities,
Bill. Get over it. All this political and administrative bs has
absolutely nothing to do with digitalradio. It is one clique
fighting with another clique. One group is asking for clarification
about the other group's
At 04:36 PM 1/13/2008, Rick wrote:
Chuck,
Enough of your nonsense! Those of us who want integrity in the amateur
bands are doing our best. You clearly have guilt in what you are doing
and you fear that it will be an illegal activity. Your activities may be
interpreted as perfectly legal ... but
Maybe it is nonsense. It is certainly not worth any more effort on my part.
I hope you and Bonnie and the Winlink folks can one day see eye-to-eye.
I think all three groups are cliques and all are trying to have it their way.
Adios.
At 04:36 PM 1/13/2008, Rick wrote:
Chuck,
Enough of your
Jack Chomley wrote:
I think these discussions about ALE who, PSK this, who hates Pactor
etc are starting to destroy this group.
We all have our favourite ideas/opinions etc. IF people feel strongly
about regulatory or operational problems in the hobby, then write to
your Ham Radio
Hi Jack.you will note that the digitalradio group is populated by
mainly US hams who love nothing but arguing among themselves about the
merits of various digital modes.and the regulations controlling them
they forget that they are only a percentage of the Amateur Radio
Operators from
At 07:29 PM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
John, do you really characterize the innovation that's been driving the
development of new digital modes as madness? Do you really think that the
explosion of soundcard digital mode users is the problem.
No I don't Dave.
But I do feel that some have come to
I think its very counterproductive to discourage the use of any legal mode
as long as its being properly used. Its a form of imposing one's personal
preferences on others, which has no place in this hobby.
Yes, there may be a problem with Pactor II and Pactor III not meeting the
documentation
Chuck,
I think it has all been said on the old topic so on to bigger and better
things. I think you are located within VHF range from my station (12 miles SW
of Denton). I am looking for stations to test the NBEMS package on VHF. What
are your digital interests? This would need a sound
Howard,
Howdy, neighbor.
I have
* an ft857D that I have yet to use except 80m cw.
* computer-ft857 interface that I bought over the internet from BuxComm.
* a 25'-55' teletower.
* an 11 element 2 m antenna somewhere in the back yard
* the windoze version of NBEMS, and
* a
In Canada, we are encouraged by RAC (Radio Amateurs of Canada) and the
Canadian government to follow the newly released
IARU Region 2 Band plan.
The station you singled out, VE2AFQ, is not operating illegally when
operating just below 14070 as a Pactor PMBO. A polite reminder sent to the
I was able to do additional testing today of the NBEMS (Narrow Bandwidth
Emergency Messaging System) as well as the ALE/FAE 400 modes with a
station not far from me. This is the kind of test I was hoping for with
daytime 80 meter NVIS operation with modest dipoles. The station was not
my
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